New Orleans Saints Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades @ Panthers
I thought this was an atrocious performance by the Saints defense. I'm sorry, but I just wasn't impressed. If their pursuit, tackling and ability to get off blocks continues to stay at this level, I just wonder how far the Saints can go in the playoffs.
The offense right now is better than 2009's version, I firmly believe that, but the defense is much worse. They are not playing well (and please spare me the good performance against Blaine Gabbert). The performance against the Bears was solid, but beyond that I am worried about this defense.
I will say, the officials really helped keep a number of those Cam Newton drives alive with questionable flags. The front four's ability to get pressure was non-existent. The linebacker play, once again, was a real weakness. It wasn't all bad, though, as the interior of the defensive line showed up at times.
Below are the grades.
Will Smith: C+ (3.00) For some reason both ESPN.com and NFL.com list Aubrayo as responsible for the lone Saints' sack. That is not accurate, though. The replay clearly shows it was Will Smith high and Sedrick Ellis low that combined for that sack and forced fumble. I believe that will get fixed and they'll split the sack with Smith & Ellis, but we'll see. Smith was credited with 2 tackles and didn't really get a chance to make an impact on this game.Turk McBride: D (2.07) He was blocked out of every play entirely. He didn't get good pressure at all off the edge and he got mauled around the edge on running plays. He had no tackles and was invisible.
Cameron Jordan: C (2.20) He had just one tackle but did a decent job holding his ground on running plays. He's a strong and stout player that has good diversity in his game. He needs more snaps but his pass rushing skills aren't that impressive so far.
Sedrick Ellis: B- (2.20) Somehow there are no stats according to ESPN.com for Ellis. That's very strange because looking back over the game Ellis play well. He got excellent push up the middle, should have been credited for that sack with Will Smith, and he was involved in several gang tackles around the line of scrimmage. Who is the guy running the stats for that website anyway? I'm not hurting his grade regardless because I liked what I saw from him.
Aubrayo Franklin: B+ (2.00) He is credited with a sack, but again I don't believe that belongs to him. What I did see what Franklin finally making some plays against the run. He had control of the trenches and consistently forced runs to re-direct. The Panthers had most of their success running off the edge and not up the middle. Franklin was credited with 5 tackles and it was great to see him live up to the reason he was brought in.
Shaun Rogers: C- (1.74) He had one tackle and two plays of note. The first was fantastic in a goal line situations where he completely beat his blocker, got in the backfield, and stuffed Jonathan Stewart for no gain. That was incredibly impressive. Later in that same goal line series, he spears Cam Newton leading with his helmet for an incredibly stupid roughing the passer penalty. That flag was a no brainer and totally deserved. You just can't lead with your head.
Tom Johnson: C- (1.67) He had one tackle and his most notable play was jumping offsides.
Scott Shanle: C+ (1.87) Not much to note from Shanle. His coverage was ok and he was mostly quiet. He didn't really help his teammates stop the run or do anything of note. Most of the time he was running after the play, looking slow. He did finished with 3 tackles and a defended pass. Sadly, this was one of his better games this season.
Jonathan Vilma: B- (2.17) He played much better in the second half and was physical against the run. He also had a very nice pass breakup on a pass to Greg Olsen in coverage and he drilled Newton once on a blitz to affect the pass. He finished with 5 tackles and I left the game feeling much better about Vilma than I did earlier in the game (or at any point earlier this season). This issue remains his lateral speed. Several times I saw him running in pursuit and lunging himself in an all out effort to make a diving tackle, but he was just too slow and couldn't get to the player. Either he's injured or he's lost a step, but either way the Saints' defense is suffering from his drop off in performance. He's just not making sideline to sideline plays like he used to, and instead he's getting beat off the edge consistently, allowing runners to turn the corner on him.
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: B- (2.84) His play and 6 tackles were useful, but Dunbar wasn't as physical as he normally is, and he over pursued to the interior a few times which opened massive cut back lanes. He's got to stay more disciplined because a number of those big DeAngelo Williams runs were on him. His pass coverage wasn't very good either.
Jonathan Casillas: C+ (2.27) He finished with 2 tackles and didn't do anything special, but he did rock Newton once on a blitz.
Jabari Greer: C- (2.60) Not a great performance from Greer. He didn't follow up his great form lately. He was beat on a jump ball to Steve Smith, then thrown to the ground like a rag doll. Smith scored from 54 yards out. Later, he was beat on a 20 yard pass to Brandon LaFell of LSU that went down to the 1. He did a poor job of tackling on that play after the catch. He finished with 3 tackles.
Patrick Robinson: A (2.60) Robinson came up with the defensive play of the game, an interception on the very first play. He also had a nice return, setting up the Saints' first touchdown in the red zone with a 25 yard run down the sidelines. Cam Newton never really threw his way again. He also blocked an extra point of Olindo Mare which loomed large late in the game with the Saints clinging to a 3 point lead. I'd say this was a major improvement over the Packers game.
Tracy Porter: B (2.78) Porter came up with two huge pass breakups on the final drive, and he seems to get re-discovering his dangerous ability to jump routes. He finished with two tackles and came very close to an interception on a ball that one hoped to him on that final drive. He finished with 2 tackles and covered well.
Malcolm Jenkins: C (2.27) He had 6 tackles, did ok in coverage, tackled ok, and didn't really make any plays again. Overall I thought he played ok bend but don't break football but he's just been a bit of a disappointment so far this year. I will say he had a beautiful open field tackle late in the game. The only real negative is he played DeAngelo Williams' 69 yard touchdown run very poorly. He backpaddled and waited for help as oppose to aggressively trying to end the play.
Roman Harper: D+ (1.93) He had 2 tackles, a terrific pass breakup on an attempt to Greg Olsen, and a horrible pass interference on a pass to Greg Oden on the final drive. At that point it's 4th and 10 and the game is over if you stop them. To intefere at that point is not smart at all. Poor day for Harper who didn't really get involved and made an almost fatal mistake that couldn't forced the game to overtime.
John Kasay: A (3.33) Kasay was rock solid against his old team and I'm sure they didn't appreciate that. He was 3 for 3 including a 46 yarder as time expired just before halftime. The guy just went out there and did his job flawlessly even though I noticed 2 snaps weren't perfect.
Thomas Morstead: C- (3.33) His kickoffs were largely great, but he did miss hit his first one. His punting was not good. He had a net average of 30.5, which is un Morstead like, and he got a punt to go for a touchbacks. No big deal, he's just set the bar high with that ridiculously impressive form he's had that's spoiled us all.
Courtney Roby: B (3.00) He had another special teams tackle and was once again terrific in coverage.
My defensive player of the game: Patrick Robinson
My special teams player of the game: John Kasay
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So you
Just quit giving the poll for the Offensive player of the game since Drew always win it anyway?
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
The Dave
Took care of that in his earlier post.
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That's Right
Forgot. Voted for Graham.
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Harper's PI
Whereas I agree that Harper should never leave any doubt that he didn’t commit PI on Carolina’s last drive, I also think that it should never have been called. He was in good position, eyes on the ball and has just as much right to it as the receiver.
Yet another bad call by the officials, IMO.
Wasn't sure
but I thought I saw that too.
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
And if I remember right...
I don’t think the ball was catchable. Really poor call by refs in this game, as usual.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Oct 11, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Eyes on the ball? He didn’t look back whatsoever and was face guarding the receiver for at least the last five yards. That’s going to be called every time, whether the pass is catchable or not, since it can be argued that the receiver could have adjusted to the throw, if his vision hadn’t being illegally impeded. Harper also had the ridiculously late hit on Smith, which wasn’t even mentioned in the write up above. Yet another horrendous game in pass coverage, which has become par for the course for the heir of Reggie’s Most Overrated Player on the Team title.
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agreed
i would’ve thrown that flag everytime. He seemed to turn his head at the last minute to find the ball but it was too late by then. Not to mention that he nearly tackled him while the ball was in the air.
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Jenkins
and didn’t really make any plays again.
Not sure about that. He made that stop on Olson short of the 1st down, which was the key to give the ball back to Drew before the final drive (3rd down was incomplete). Miss that tackle and I am not so sure about the outcome anymore
PLAY OF THE GAME and some….
Bring the metal....
Nope that was PRobinson
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by born in areacode 318 on Oct 11, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
PRob really stepping it up!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Thought we would
do worse, we held newt to the his second least yards, his worst comp% and it was on his turf with perfect weather. Factor in the BS calls by the un-officails and thought we had a good game.
Truly feel
the D is slowly coming together. One week one guy shows up, next week another couple different guys show up and so on. I just hope its “more than a feeling”!
Welcome to CSC, buddy.
Someone will be along shortly to suggest an avatar.
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I kinda agree
I think the lockout has affected the D more than the O. I think the more games they play, the better they are working GW’s complicated schemes. I feel they are improving in most areas except maybe tackling, and maybe I’m being a little unfair there also. They are tackling a little better, I just wish it wasn’t after such large gains.
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I completely agree.
I know we focus on our own team, but defensive struggles seem to be the norm right now throughout the league. Very few teams seem to have the defense that everyone expected them to have. Tons of points are being given up, and teams are coming from behind more often than ever before. I just hope we can get ours straightened out.
Welcome

need an avatar…maybe this
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem, buddy.
We are all here for each other. Welcome to the family. I hope you brought your cup. There will be a few low blows if you stick around long enough.
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I guess givin
enough time there has to be low blows, just hope its against the other team. Oh and hell yes i brought my cup!
You learn quick, young grasshopper.
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and a horrible pass interference on a pass to Greg Oden on the final drive
Wasn’t aware we had another basketball convert in there. I know I know, but I so rarely get to play editor…
"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." -Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M.
by theprogrammerman on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
I know I know, but I so rarely get to playeditorauditor…
FIFY
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auditing the editing?
"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." -Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M.
by theprogrammerman on Oct 11, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's how I roll.
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Hahaha do we have a Portland Trail Blazers fan (aka Andrew Juge) hiding among us?
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The performance against the Bears was solid, but beyond that I am worried about this defense.
Was it really? Or do the Bears just suck that bad?
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Their O-Line sure does.
Don’t know if Cutler is going to survive.
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear ya.
Cutler may need to retire before he gets killed back there.
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Or worse
Starts sounding like Troy Aikman. Well see y’all lat’r. Bedtime.
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 11, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Hitting the sheets early today.
Don’t let the bed bugs bite. Not that you have a dirty house or anything.
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Dunbar gets a F.
you give him a B- for 6 tackles? Cmon. how about the attempt on jonathan stewart when he got tossed to the ground. once again looked lost.
by touchdown my pants on Oct 11, 2011 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
He still stopped Stewarts progress.
Did you see anyone else behind the LOS on that play?
/too much football talk
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Where were you yesterday when we had a CSC open thread?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Oct 11, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I work two jobs.
I don’t think it was up before I left. If it was it would have been embarrassing riding on the bus with it :P
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I can stop
Stewart’s progress by getting thrown to the ground. I probably stop his progress better because there is more of me to throw to the ground.
That’s setting the bar pretty low, don’t you think?
The 2011 Saints: From Lockout to Knockout
Oh geez!
This is why I don’t comment on football very often. Do you think you could have gotten into the backfield? If so why don’t you try doing Dunbars job? He was the only one there. I’m sure you have seen Stewart play before. Is Dunbar the first person he has thrown to the ground? Didn’t think so.
/head hurts
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Stewart does that to everybody
There’s a GIF collection of him posterizing people over at CSR. He’s dribbled Ronde Barber off the turf and Bodyslammed Farrior on his way to the secondary. Saints added two of them to the collection Sunday, the Dunbar stiffarm and him obliterating Vilma on a blitz.
I don't understand
Why do you hate Dunbar so much? Every time Dunbar is mentioned, all I see you say is, “He’s trash,” “he’s garbage,” “he’s lost,” etc. You nitpick at one or two plays Dunbar in which he does bad on. What do you have against the guy? From what I’ve seen, he’s Dunbar has been playing average or above average most of the time aside from a few plays due to not having the athleticism that not everyone is gifted with.
Why don’t you save the criticism for Lunch Pail or someone of lesser caliber like Will Herring. I haven’t seen Herring make any plays and he hasn’t been on the field much.
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 11, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree!
Herring gets all my wrath so I cant really talk but I have yet to see him do anything productive on the field while I have seen Dunbar make alot of nice plays.
What in the HELL just happened!?
by GESWhoseBack on Oct 11, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he IS Will Herring.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Herring gets plenty of hate....especially from me
But he hasn’t been playing much lately, if at all. I agree Herring is worse LB on team.
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by Ragin Who Dat on Oct 12, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Did Dunbar have sex with your mom or something?
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thank you
I wanted to say the same thing bu wasn’t sure if that was crossing the line lol
by Ezio_Auditore on Oct 11, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
what if i am Dunbar
and i like hearing everyone defend me?
by touchdown my pants on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
she just lays there
may as well just do it with the pillow
by touchdown my pants on Oct 12, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Pulse!
Dude! Check the pulse!
--Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anyone ever say to you, "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays?"
--No. No, man. S---, no, man. I believe you'd get your a-- kicked sayin' something like that, man.
“Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast.”
--Let me ask you something. When you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anyone ever say to you, "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays?"
--No. No, man. S---, no, man. I believe you'd get your a-- kicked sayin' something like that, man.
Poor, poor Cutler
kid doesn’t have a chance, not that i liked him that much anyway. But wasn’t impressed with the lions reminds to much of the Texans, just an okay team without their cyborg receivers/ test tube baby brothers mega one and mega two.
Vilma and Defense
The hit against Newton on his scramble was one of those “welcome to the NFL” hits. I didn’t think Newton ran much after that hit. I still think Vilma is not 100%, but he is playing through the knee injury. Porter getting back to 100%. With him, PRob and Greer, I think we’ll be ok. I personally did not mind the PF penalty against Harper. Steve Smith is a complete hot head. That will do more for the Saints locker room than anything and it didn’t really cost us anything on field (KO is usually a touchback anyway). Privately, I’m sure Gregg Williams is happy with Harper’s response.
No need to panic on defense just yet. Will Smith has only played a few games and Cam Jordan is a rookie. I agree that open field tackling is still a cause for concern, but that is a league wide issue. It seems that DBs are either going to lunge at a RBs ankles or try to tackle him high, which never works.
Side note, is anyone else pressing pause after touchdowns so that they can fast forward through the commercial, KO touchback, commercial sequence?
That will do more for the Saints locker room than anything
I don’t know about that. Smith manhandled someones face mask pretty bad. That has to be embarrassing on tape.
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I am not worried about our defense.
I knew going into it that pass rush would be our weakness. It was the largest weakness of the team last year. Perhaps Charleston should get activated. If Will Smith were to lead the way as the “top D-Linesman,” that would help a lot but he is usally a “B” – “C” guy and not exacty a sackmeister. Jordan wasn’t any beast in college as far as sacks and QB pressure according to the scouting report – mostly his strength is supposed to be vs the run.
I think they should basically try to block more passses, activate Charleston, and try to at least hurry the passer. Outside of Jay Cutler games, I don’t see a ton of sacks from this group.
They also need to not give up any big plays aas a defense. If you rake away the Steve Smith long pass td and the option play that went for a big gain, the defense didn’t really play too bad.
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Stell Curtain?
Dome Patrol?
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*
Pre audit Stell = Steel.
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yeah.. dog.. dat shell cuiten shoo wuz' goo..
by the 9th plague on Oct 12, 2011 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions
that's what i thought you wrote.. first..
which brings me to the possible names for the saints defense.. “the paper wall”
“da butter mountain” ..?
by the 9th plague on Oct 12, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Ellis Sack?
That sack was definitely Franklin since he got there first and Smith helped finish it off. Not sure how they hand out half sacks but anyway it was not Ellis.
What in the HELL just happened!?
just to muddy the waters
From Jeff Duncan’s Film Study Piece on nola.com:
SECOND QUARTER
(14:07): Saints blitzes on back-to-back plays were effective in forcing the first three-and-out of the game. First, Jonathan Vilma came clean on a back-side blitz to force an incompletion on second down. Then, all three linebackers flooded the line of scrimmage and forced Newton to step up into the teeth of the pressure, where Sedrick Ellis dropped him for a 5-yard loss. Official statisticians and Fox announcers credited Aubrayo Franklin with the sack but it was Ellis who got there to record his first sack of the season.
WIN NOW
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by Hans Petersen on Oct 11, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Official Statisticians got it right.
Ok Duncan trying to take notes while he watches the game and I specifically remember Franklin getting that sack cause I was thinking its about f$$$$$ing time! I guess 99 and 98 can get confusing but it was Franklin number 99 on that sack!
What in the HELL just happened!?
by GESWhoseBack on Oct 11, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
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by Dave Cariello on Oct 12, 2011 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
unless y'all talking about another play..
this is definitley 98 first & 91 on the assist..
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-saints/09000d5d822f6d6c/Saints-defense-sack-5-yd-loss
by the 9th plague on Oct 12, 2011 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I stand corrected!
My Bad!
What in the HELL just happened!?
by GESWhoseBack on Oct 12, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
spoiled
I know I am still spoiled to the way the defense played in 09, because just about every game was a blowout. I wish we would start giving our offense more turnovers so they can score lots if points.
Who Dat?
by jhenn2004 on Oct 11, 2011 4:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
but the 2009 season wasn’t all blowouts—though it sort of feels that way in memory. But really, Miami and Washington are good examples of how we sometimes didn’t play very well on either side of the ball and still managed to grind out a win. This year, it seems like every game we’re seeing almost-interceptions. I think we’re going to start getting those eventually—with as much passing as teams are doing this year, and as big of a hole our offense is capable of putting people in, we should definitely get some good opportunities.
Will Smith...
I think you graded him a little low, it looked to me like he was held on three separate occasions and no calls from the horrible officiating crew, and looked like he was making Newton uncomfortable even when he didn’t get held or any QB hits.
It was just a pressure
No sack but he it was a hell of a lick and almost caused an interception.
What in the HELL just happened!?
by GESWhoseBack on Oct 11, 2011 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions

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