How Will Sean Payton's Knee Injury Affect the Saints?
by Dave Cariello on Oct 16, 2011 7:51 PM CDT
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After fracturing his tibia and tearing his MCL following a sideline collision with Jimmy Graham...<cough> late hit <cough> no call <cough> bull$#!+ <cough>...Sean Payton will undergo surgery tomorrow to repair his left knee. But the big question is: how does this affect the Saints?
I've got to imagine his role in game planning for the Colts next Sunday will be at least slightly more limited than during normal weeks. And when it comes to coaching the actual game, will be be mobile enough to stand on the sidelines or at least from up in the booth? Will Payton be forthcoming with the media about his injury or will he keep it under wraps for a competitive advantage? But most importantly, will Payton's injury cause the Saints offense to suck next week as bad as they did today?
Right now I'd have to list his status as day-to-day and label him questionable against the Colts next week.
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I thought it was Greg Williams on the ground at first
I just thought someone was trying to show him how to tackle.
Never pick a fight with an ugly person.......they have nothing to lose-Robin Williams
maybe he should find out the name of that Witch Doctor in Guatemala who worked on Drew's knee last year...
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What an ugly day! Nuff Said!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Payton doesn’t coach the defense.
Actually I wish he would. Can’t do much worse.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
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Me too. Mainly so someone more run oriented would take over the offensive play calling.
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you may have to take that wish to your grave..
when a defense can bring enough disrupting pressure & shut down almost any attempt of delay/draw runs with just 4 men.. that tells me the OL was out of sink.. maybe you could have still got the run game going.. it’s just a matter of calling the play to be a run.. right..?
oversimplifying.. maybe..?
most mix-it-up runs (delays/draws) went for no gain or loss.. all the power formation runs were of minimal gain..
look at those stats..
how a defense takes away both the deep passing game and the run..?
by destroying any consistent blocking of the OL with 4 men.. allows to play the run on the way to the QB resulting in mostly negative or no gain runs.. & dropping enough coverage to where it’s hard to find open men.. the fact that the QB must reload or shift to find a passing lanes.. further disrupts any timing in the intermediate passing game..
but i’m sure your were just kidding & knew all that already..
by the 9th plague on Oct 17, 2011 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gain or loss should have no bearing on whether or not you attempt to run the ball. Field position can be won or lost on special teams, as well as by passing, assuming the defense doesn’t know it’s going to be a pass. When you pass upwards of 70% of the time, that’s certainly not the case.
how a defense takes away both the deep passing game and the run..?
by destroying any consistent blocking of the OL with 4 men.. allows to play the run on the way to the QB resulting in mostly negative or no gain runs
Then don’t run delays. Pass out of the I formation more often, so they’re not keying on the pass. Run a couple of WR bubble screens to loosen up the middle. We’re not talking about the Steel Curtain here. There are many ways to counteract what you’re describing and they all come down to unpredictability. That includes both running AND passing the ball, even if it’s not producing first downs. Neither should dip below 40+% under any circumstances, unless you’re up against the clock or you’re milking a substantial lead. Neither was the case for much of this game.
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For the second week in a row, I’ll break it down by drive to prove my point:
Twelve offensive possessions total.
1. 80% run heavy. Fumble.
2. 83% pass heavy. TD.
3. 100% pass heavy. Punt.
4. 66% pass heavy. Punt.
5. 66% pass heavy. Punt.
6. 100% pass heavy. INT.
7. 100% pass heavy. FG.
8. 60% pass heavy. Punt.
9. 50% even. FG.
10. 71% pass heavy. TD.
11. 66% pass heavy. Punt.
12. 78% pass heavy. INT.
Success rate of drives within the 60 percentile either way: 43% (one drive, 3 pts out of 7).
Success rate of pass heavy (60%) drives: 24% (ten drives, 17 pts out of 70).
Success rate of run heavy (60%) drives: 0% (one drive, 0 points out of 7).
This isn’t a plea to run 60+% of the time. It’s a plea to run more than 41-59% of the time, since that’s the most successful range, week in, week out.
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Don't want to say the Colts are in town, but the Colts are town
Still we can’t over look them. It’s not an ACL (as far as we know) MCL and Tibia are different animals . So it may be couple weeks before can put all his weight on it. The question is, will he be able to even attend the gm next wk, wheelchair for the coaches booth if he can, plus, he’ll have some Vicodin in his system. Had enough knee surgeries myself. What a day……
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It wasn't even close to a late hit
Payton is going to miss at least some time game planning this week and that is going to be a big problem. Thankfully, it’s the Colts, and they shouldn’t need anything special. Who knows, maybe it’ll be a good thing and the Saints will call more than 16 running plays next week and not completely telegraph every single one of them.
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The hit was in-bounds but...
Obviously he was pushed out with much more vigor than necessary, and directly at our coach. Nothing was made of this besides it being simply an accident, and nothing probably will be said. Don’t think it isn’t lingering in some people’s minds, though.
Wheelchair or Booth
I can’t see him doing any prolonged standing for two weeks or maybe longer, even with crutches. His leg is rather bad off.
I vote for a jet-propelled levitating chair, a la MODOK
Imagine the head brace as a visor. This could work.
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by Hans Petersen on Oct 16, 2011 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
HA!
If he’s in a wheelchair, I’m calling him Professor Xbox. There is no doubt.
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How about a HOVEROUND?
He could be doing those commercials into retirement!!!!!
SP: "No, No, No. I said 'Let's all take it to the Vikes again' not' Let's all take 2 Vicoden!'"
Why haven't we called out Williams
for his poor coaching so far this season? Aside from the Chicago game, his defense has been getting toasted.
"I've been big ever since I was little." - William "The Refrigerator" Perry
I think it will become a topic of discussion going forward.
His scheme isn’t working and it really hasn’t been working for awhile. But for some reason he is still labeled as an elite coordinator for whatever reason. His blitzes aren’t scaring anyone but he continues to call em, they continuously get picked up, and we continually get burned. Somebody please tell him that the 09 NFC Championship game was a long time ago and he can’t continue to poke his chest out over that game.
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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 16, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His players took this too literally
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -Albert Einstein
Lay off the dope
26 points when your offense turns the ball over 4 times is pretty damn good
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 16, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This was still supposed to be a big day for the defense
against a Bucs team who’s offense has been terrible all season. A offense who put up 3 points against the 49ers last week.
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"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.
The 49ers just held the Lions to 19. They were one of the top offenses in the league going in.
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We were their highest scoring game of the season.
"J.R. SMITH! WITH NO REGARD FOR COMMON SENSE!" - Future Kevin Harlan Quote
"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.
With 4 turnovers I am surprised they did't score more
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 16, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a reality check for us
No matter how we look at this….a loss is a loss! There’s no and if or but ! Simply put WE LOSS to the Buc! Maybe this is what we needed to wake up and take a really good look at ourselves and correct what we needed to correct and get better on what’s we’re good at. I still believe that we still have a pretty good chance to make it back to the superbowl this year. I BELIEVE! Enough said! WHO DAT 2 DAT ! BELIEVE AND HAVE FAITH like 09!! Geaux Saints!
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IF ...we were to go all the way
this episode would give the Americas game people plenty to work with.
Not sure where Sean was looking,the announcers reckoned he was looking at
his play chart , although to me it seemed he was gazing adoringly at Drew.
Either way he did look surprised when the enormous tight end collided with him.
I could understand if it was Darren Sproules as he doesn’t stand out a great deal.
I do believe that his absense from the side line had a huge effect on the team. It
seemed odd to me not seeing his gum chomping visage for the 1st time in 6 years
and I am just a casual observer sitting on my couch 5,000 miles away , so can’t imagine how the players and coaches felt.
Hope to see him healthy again soon.
That could`ve been me,a useless gnome* fishing
for turds in a birthing pool.
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happy to see
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by snowboard_kat on Oct 17, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Dangerously close to NSFW.
I’m not complaining about the photo, but you might want to link it next time so that way people don’t have to deal with work blocking CSC.
/right clicks photo
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I have stopped by this thread several times
Just to look at that picture.
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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 17, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Heck
I’ll be back just to see if Kat is willing to post a photo when she gets hers :P
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by theprogrammerman on Oct 17, 2011 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, get him on the vicodin as soon as possible and the play-calling will go back to 2009 standards!!!
Seriously, though…my biggest concern about this entire team was the (lack of) pass rush. Anyone who thought or thinks now that we have a pass rush adequate enough to winit all just might be mistaken. When you have a big pass rush, it changes a lot of things.
I knew going into this that Cameron Jordan, although very good, is not an elite pass rusher. Hopefully someday, but that is doubtful. Maybe activating Jeff Charleston would be a thought. Why has he been inactive?
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