New Orleans Saints Defensive and Special Teams Players Grades @ Buccaneers
Poor tackling, an inability to cover tight ends, no pressure on the quarterback and leaky run defense. Does that sound familiar? Yep. The 2011 version of the New Orleans Saints defense strikes again.
I don't see how I can really put it any more politely than "not good." They gave up 26 points, so there's that. But they also gave up 420 yards of offense, got no turnovers, got no sacks and yielded 4.7 yards a carry. The word "atrocious" comes to mind.
In fact, the Saints can thank Josh Freeman for not being all that good overall with the low point total. He threw terrific passes on both touchdown tosses, but beyond that he was largely inaccurate and non-threatening. I'm really starting to wonder if this unit is going to put it together this year. Below are the... gulp... grades.
Will Smith: C- (2.67) He had 1 tackle and did ok applying pressure but was always too late getting to Freeman. He did get one knock down, but he didn't help at all against the run. A quiet performance overall.Cameron Jordan: B- (2.28) Much like his scouting report on draft day suggested, he's decent against the run, he hustles and he gets after it, but he's just not explosive enough to really be a pass rushing threat. That was painfully evident throughout. You have to give Jordan credit though because he finished with 6 tackles and most of that was playing his heart out and helping his teammates finish off tackles. With that kind of effort he'll see a lot more starts.
Junior Galette: C+ (2.42) The one play he made was awesome, but he was nowhere to be seen after that. Part of that was lack of playing time, but he also struggled to really provide good pressure off the edge when he was in. His one play was a nice gap shot up the middle on an end around that he completely blew up. As he missed the tackle, he got up, pursued to the sideline and got in on the tackle. Great effort that and for that play alone he deserves praise.
Turk McBride: D (1.89) Did he seriously even play? He was non existent and bad against the run.
Sedrick Ellis: C- (2.11) His play in this game and this season has just been depressing. He had one tackle, rolled his ankle, and provided no help against the run.
Shaun Rogers: C (1.78) His lone tackle was a beautiful stuff on a Earnest Graham carry. Too bad he didn't build off of that. Sadly that C boosts his GPA for the year. Sounds about right.
Aubrayo Franklin: C (2.00) He had a nice offsides jump and a whooping 1 tackle. He actually played ok at times on the interior though, and of the 4 defensive tackles he was by far the most serviceable, granted that's not saying much. His lone tackle too was a nice stuff of Graham for no gain.
Tom Johnson: C (1.84) His lone tackle dropped Graham for a yard loss. I love it how I keep talking about these stops like Graham had a bad game, but really he gashed the Saints for over 100 yards.
Scott Shanle: B (2.06) I actually thought this was one of his better games of the season. He looked faster in pursuit than he's looked all season long. His pass defense was mostly pretty good, including two breakups and a near interception. He also finished with 6 tackles including one for a loss. If Shanle played like that every week the Saints would be much better off defensively.
Jonathan Vilma: B- (2.27) He too wasn't bad in coverage, and he looked to regain a little speed that was clearly missing the last few weeks. He did whiff on some tackles though and that needs to be corrected. He finished with 5 tackles and was more physical and quicker sideline to sideline. Maybe he's finally getting out of this slump he's been in.
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: C- (2.60) He finished with 3 tackles and was out of position way too often. His play recognition was poor and he's completely loss on play action fakes.
Jonathan Casillas: C- (2.17) Sir blitz a lot had 2 tackles and didn't contribute much at all.
Ramon Humber: C- (1.67) He actually played some at linebacker and put a nice hit on Freeman. He also had a meaningless tackle and was victimized once in coverage. Definitely nothing special.
Jabari Greer: C (2.50) Greer was tough to trade because he actually had two phenomenal pass break ups but he was very poor running up and making tackles. Too many times is arm tackles at player's ankles did nothing to slow down the runner. I settled on a C but I honestly could have been meaner. Not a very good game. He had 4 tackles.
Tracy Porter: D (2.33) He had 4 tackles and was beat like a drum in coverage. He gave up a 19 yard touchdown pass to Preston Parker and in general played very poorly. He didn't tackle well and punished his coaches for giving him back his starting place. A performance to very quickly forget for him.
Patrick Robinson: B+ (2.72) He was the best Saint defender on the day. He defended two passes including one that was very close to being an interception. After that woeful game against the Packers, Robinson is rebounding nicely and having himself a very strong season. The guy just keeps getting better. Twice on little bubble screens he fought through blocks and made vicious tackles behind the line of scrimmage. He finished with 4 tackles and covered well. With a measly 2.72 he is the highest rated defensive player on my grading scale so far this season.
Malcolm Jenkins: C (2.22) He led the Saints with 7 tackles and was credited with 2 defended passes. By far his two biggest plays were on third down plays where the Saints got good pressure, Freeman got rid of the ball over the middle with a floating pass, and Jenkins demolished a would be receiver for the ball to fall harmlessly incomplete. Those were massive hits and Jenkins was often found around the line of scrimmage laying wood and being physical. He had his share of mistakes as well. He was flagged for an unnecessary roughness penalty I don't agree with, he had a poor angle and poor speed on the 69 yard touchdown pass to Arrelious Benn, and he missed a tackle on the other touchdown pass when Tracy Porter got beat coming over to help. I would say it was 1 step forward and 2 steps back for Jenkins much of the game.
Roman Harper: D+ (1.83) He missed tackles numerous times. One of Earnest Graham's huge runs was a play where Harper had a routine tackle to make, and instead of wrapping up he went for the knockout blow which would result in the Saints getting gashed for a big run. He had 6 tackles but was victimized in passing situations as well. Honestly, if he tackles better he could have had about 15 tackles in this game. Of course he got flagged for pass interference on a tight end as well, his specialty. Covering Kellen Winslow was a nightmare matchup, but then again that seems to be the case for anyone he's running with on any given week.
John Kasay: B+ (3.33) I'm not going to give him better than a B+ when he makes 2 kicks inside 34 yards and doesn't kick off, but Kasay did what was asked of him once again. He's making the most of this opportunity and he's been accurate. He was 2 for 2 on field goals and 2 for 2 on extra points. He's kicking way too many short field goals if you ask me, though.
Thomas Morstead: A (3.45) Not only is he second in the NFL in touchbacks, and of course he added to that total against the Bucs, but he averaged a net of 49 yards a punt in this game. 49 yards! NET! That is UNHEARD OF. It's not like he just hit one, either. He hit four for an average for 55 yards gross. His longest was 61. Morstead's leg strength physically scares me. He is murdering the ball right now. Morstead may only be 7th in the NFL in punting gross, which by definition perhaps means he doesn't have the strongest leg, but he's 1st in net average which means he's the best. Kudos man. His average net through 6 games is 44.7. 44.7 isn't even the average gross for half the punters in the NFL. Do you guys realize how scary good that is?!?! He clearly deserves the highest GPA on the team through 6 games ahead of Sproles, Graham and Brees.
Jonathon Amaya: B (3.00) He was useful on coverage units, providing the Saints with 2 tackles.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Patrick Robinson
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Thomas Morstead
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I know Jeff Charleston is not an All- pro DE, but....
I think it’s time he gets activated. I thought over the last few years there were times he provided some reasonable QB pressure which is something we lack. My understanding is he is not so stout vs the run, but I am willing to take that chance since we are not stopping the run anyway and we are not getting QB pressure, so how much worse could he be? Aside from making a trade, I don’t see any other choices. Except for the the Chicago game, I think we have gotten the least amount of pressure on a QB than in any other 6 game stretch over the last few years. Am I mistaken, or does it seem that way?
Also, Will Smith has to step up. Maybe sign Anthony Hargrove out of desperation?
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That's what I've been wondering
Where’s Jeff?!?! Got to do something different here.
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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 18, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
never mind, Hargrove playing for Seattle
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Great write-up as always, Andrew.
I think you could go even further in your complements for the coverage team. They are so much better than last year. Kinda nice that Morestead doesn’t have to be the leading tackler.
Only play of the game that I saw
was on ESPN this morning. Winslow hurdled Greer which didn’t bother me tremendously. He atleast looked like he had his arms open for the tackle, but Shanle was right in place to make the wrap up tackle and all he did was throw a shoulder at him. Winslow gained another 3 to 5 yards before going out of bounds. Why does every Saints defender try to tackle with their shoulders? I like a nice hit like the next guy, but wrapping up the runner should be the first thing these guys ever learned. Is this coaching? Is this a lack of discipline? To me it looks like a little bit of both.
Gotta say I’m glad that I missed this game. I never thought I would say that.
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I don't get it either
Harper looked like he was reliving the Seattle game. Jenkins consistently has the biggest hits and his form generally looks good, so I don’t know why the rest of our defenders can’t figure it out.
Your user name is making me dizzy.
Or is it the purple drank? I’m confused. Really though, what does your name say?
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an inversion of his names
Aaron Sammas
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by Hans Petersen on Oct 18, 2011 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It's nerdy...
First name is Sam, middle name Aaron. Samus Aran is the name of main character in the video game Metroid. Picked the screen name in Junior High and it’s fairly unique and never taken so I’ve just stuck with it. And for the record, I was not yet aware that Samus Aran was female when I chose the screen name (for my fellow nerds).
Recently ive thought it has to be on coaches, not necessarily gregg williams who should be more focused on game planning, but other defensive coaches that should be coaching on how to TACKLE, which last time i checked was required on defense…
im sure we have talented players on defense considering p.rob (32), porter (41), jenkins (14), harper (43), will smith (18), ellis (7), cam jordan (24), have all been first round round picks or high second round picks…
but were back to pre super bowl defense which couldnt stop anyone and put it all on drew brees and the offense. with an offense like ours i dont see why we shouldnt play a more bend but dont break defense like gb than an all out blitzing approach which isnt providing ANY TOs
by forrestgump52 on Oct 19, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I love it how I keep talking about these stops like Graham had a bad game, but really he gashed the Saints for over 100 yards.
For most of the game, Earnest wasn’t gashing anything. 53 of his 109 yards came on two runs in which the LBs and Harper completely failed, not the d-line. Another 19 yards were on 2 runs after the two minute warning, when the game was already over. For the most part, the d-line consistently stuffed him – 2.8 ypc on 13 runs.
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I agree on your grade for Cam Jordan
He’s not explosive enough to really get to the QB but what I love about him is I’ve never seen him give up on any play. He’s chased the QBs we’ve played out of the pcoket well when he gets that chance just not enough speed to quite get the sack but I really admire his effort. Everytime he gets pressure I root for him to get there you can tell he wants to make a sack badly. I think he’ll get 1 or 2 against Indy though.
Will Smith hasn’t been the same since the Superbowl run in my opinion and hopefullly Greg Romeus will finally be that beast of a pass rusher we need next year but right now someone needs to step into that role. It would make our D drastically better if we had way more pressure on the QB.
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by born in areacode 318 on Oct 18, 2011 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
Any chance we'd trade for Mathis?
I read somebody saying it would make sense for Indy to trade him and Wayne because their contracts are expiring and there may not be a good reason to stay if they are rebuilding next season…
by BlackandGold4ever on Oct 19, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been impressed by PRob since day 1, but it seemed like a lot of Saints fans thought I was crazy then.
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Are we watching the same games????
PRob played like Jason MOTHER EFFING David (Yeah, I said it!) for the first three games.
Greg Jennings and Andre Johnson were open on EVERY play – when they were lined up on his side. (Why they didn’t keep them on that side, I have no clue.)
His Interception came BECAUSE he was out of position and the ball was thrown extremely horribly. (Just like at least two of David’s INT’s when he "lead the team in INT’s with 4.)
He’s gotten a bit better the last two games, but… He didn’t play as many snaps in the last game, so that gave him fewer chances to eff up.
I also think that league wide bad tackling, inability to cover good tight ends and to some degree leaky run defense
is rampant. What seperates the good defenses from the bad is QB pressure. It’s a passing league.
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Could have been worse.....
I actually thought that Freeman was not all that accurate. He had guys open that he just flat out missed. Not sure if receivers ran wrong routes, but it seemed, especially in the first half, that the Bucs receivers were frustrated because they were open and Freeman missed the throws.
With Payton now being a “Cloud” coach, it will be interesting to see how the team responds without him on the sideline.
Some of those misses were due to Greg Williams' kisses
I know it seems the Saints got little for all their blitzing, but it did result in a few crappy tampax throws.
Too much miscommunication
The whole defense looks confused from the opening snap. A defensive leader needs to rise to the occassion. No pain No glory.Just tackle those sob"s
but as long as GW keeps preaching knock or strip the ball out...tackling fundamentals will not be what we see on Sundays.
I’m worried that our lack of takeaways will just make those guys think they need to try harder to knock a dude out and separate him from the ball, or go for the strip instead of tackle properly, and we’ll have these “slow-bleed” defensive deaths each week where lots of yards are given up…
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by Hans Petersen on Oct 18, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree, wrap up, around the waist, the way you learn in tiny tot football
most turnovers occur with gang tackling, not one-on-one.
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Disagree with the...
Shanle grade…The Bucs first touchdown was on him and gave Freeman confidence. He didn’t push the receiver to the outside or follow him down field. A fail on all levels…I don’t think you even see a receiver that wide open in high school games….
For the season
I give the defense a D..It is amazing to me that the offense has scored as many points as it has, because it always has to go 80 plus yards. The defense is not doing anything to change field position, either by getting turnovers or holding the other team deep in its territory. Case in point- last Sunday, the Saints started at the 45 once (when TB missed an ill-advised 55 yard field goal). Result, Saints drive for a touchdown. If you consistently have to drive 80 plus yards in 10 play plus drives, odds are that someone is going to commit a penalty, get sacked, get tackled for a loss, or turn the ball over. Get ready for a lot of high scoring, nail-biting games, even against inferior opponents, if this does not change.
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just throwing this out there
but the Saints had some kind of wierd D on the 69 yard TD by TB. It wasn’t man but it didn’t look like a complete zone either. It looked like they had Porter and PRob on one side playing underneath zone and Greer on the other side playing underneath zone with Jenkins as the single deep man? From what I saw, it looked like Greer should have been falling back playing the deep half where the catch was made. That probably means that someone should have dropped over to the underneath for his side. I don’t think that side was Jenkins responsibility but he got the blame because he’s the only person that gets into the picture. His other TD he helped give up on the other hand could and should have been like those 3rd down hits but he seemed to think the receiver wasn’t going to make it to the ball and chose to go for the pick? Shouldn’t have happened either way on that play but I don’t think the long TD was his fault.
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
it has to be jenkins's responsibility.. or shanle's (but why would it be?)
2-wr set the TE on the other side presses deep occupying greer.. he seems to think is man-to-man.. so does porter on the outside right.. not shanle that obviously “passes” benn to the safety.. in clear zone at least on 1/2 the field..
it’s hard to imagine they expected shanle to play him man-to-man.. so i’d say jenkins is 15 yards too deep, favoring the sideline instead of looking to pick up benn..
i really don’t understand the personnel.. but it seems to be the recurrent theme with this defense always being exploited where they can’t cover..

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