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Farewell to Hank

I am not a fan of country music. I was forced to listen to it growing up because my dad played bass in countless country bands and I was always the "free help" that got to load and unload all of the equipment. So I spent countless hours in bars in Louisiana, Texas, and Arkansas as a kid trying to find a TV to hook my Sega Genesis up to while listening to country music till 1:00 am. Covers of Hank Williams Jr's songs were always crowd favorites and I have to say that they grew on me after awhile. Growing up as a football fan the MNF theme song became a part of my life as everyone got together for MNF. It was a great way to let you know that the weekly wait was over. The "All My Rowdy Friends" MNF remix was a great way to get you pumped to watch football and I have loved hearing that song right before kickoff for twenty years. 

I was saddened to hear the news of what happened with Hank this week. I was even more saddened and angry of why he will no longer be seen on Monday night. I'm not gonna get into the politics of the matter but if you read exactly how the analogy was stated, it really didn't seem that big of a deal to me and I think it has gotten blown way out of proportion. But ESPN is a private entity and they reserve the right to fire their employees as they see fit. Was it right to fire Hank? Not in my opinion. Could it have been handled differently? Of course it could have. Should Hank have used a better analogy? Definitely. Hank is entitled to his opinion and apparently ESPN didn't care for his opinion too much. Apparently ESPN doesn't want people to view them in a negative aspect or be represented by people who say things that spark controversy. I then started to wonder if ESPN had been in similar situations before and if they had, how did they handle it? Well it turns out that they have been in similar situations before and they didn't always handle it the same way with some of their current employees.

Brent Musberger: On October 5, 2010, Musburger told a class of college journalism students at the University Of Montana that professional athletes under a doctor's supervision could potentially use steroids to improve performance. He said that steroid use should have no place in high school athletics, but also said: Under the proper care and [a] doctor's advice, they could be used at the professional level. Here's the truth about steroids: they work. [Someone told me that] steroids should be banned because they're not healthy for you. Let's go find out. What do the doctors actually think about anabolic steroids and [their] use by athletes? [We shouldn't] have a preconceived notion that this is right or this is wrong.

Colin Cowherd: Cowherd was criticized for comments made regarding the circumstances surrounding Sean Taylor's death. On November 28, 2007, one day after Taylor's home invasion murder, Cowherd claimed that Taylor's past had brought this upon himself, and that Redskins fans who mourned him were not "grown ups." Cowherd stated about Taylor's turnaround; "Well, yeah, just because you clean the rug doesn't mean you got everything out. Sometimes you've got stains, stuff so deep it never ever leaves." Taylor's death was later found to be the result of a botched robbery, and the robbers hadn't known Taylor was home when they entered.

Matt Millen: On April 24, 2010, at the 2010 NFL Draft, Millen apparently referred to fellow ESPN commentator Ron Jaworski using a racial term after which he made an on-air apology, stating that he "didn't mean anything" by the remark. Millen also made several slurs to former Lions and then Chiefs wide receiver Johnnie Morton after a game at Arrowhead Stadium in 2003 while he was still the Lions GM. ESPN hired him regardless of the incident.

Dana Jacobson: At a roast for co-workers Mike Greenberg and Mike Golic in January 2008, an allegedly intoxicated Jacobson reportedly cursed the University of Notre Dame, Jesus, and Touchdown Jesus. ESPN and Jacobson both released a statement apologizing for any offense given to those offended by the comments. Jacobson was suspended from ESPN for one week. Upon returning from her suspension, she apologized on air for her behavior and comments. No video or transcript of the roast was ever released.

Bob Ryan: In May 2003, Ryan appeared on Sports Final, a local sports talk show airing on WBZTV. At that time, Ryan said that Joumana Kidd, then-wife of then-New Jersey guard Jason Kidd needed someone to "smack" her for taking her son T.J., then 4 years old, to NBA play-off night games where they could be taunted. He accused Joumana of being an exhibitionist and using the child as a prop to get television time. The show's host, Bob Lobel asked Ryan to retract his statement immediately. The comments struck a chord because in 2001, Joumana Kidd had been the victim of domestic violence by her husband, Jason Kidd.

Now are these incidents better or worse than what Hank Williams did? That's up for debate, but everyone got to keep their job.

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All I got to say is

Why would they ask Hank jr a political question to begin
It must have been a really slow news day

by mississippisaintsfan on Oct 6, 2011 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I imagine so they could get a controversial response

I have watched the clip several times just to see the Fox reporters’ reactions. Pretty funny.

Never pick a fight with an ugly person.......they have nothing to lose-Robin Williams

by AcquiredPanic on Oct 6, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The question is, does Fox and Friends have him back on to re-tract his statement.

probably not, or does/did FnF use “not the views/opinion” response.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
There are no disgruntled employees, they're all extremely gruntled.-Michael Scott

by metryman on Oct 6, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

To get a story. And he sure gave them one. Why wouldn’t they ask him?

trapped in grammar and calendars.

by Jay Preece on Oct 7, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone’s entitled to their opinions, but not everyone is entitled to keep their job when they air their stupid opinions.

trapped in grammar and calendars.

by Jay Preece on Oct 7, 2011 12:42 AM CDT reply actions  

A racially toned assertion from a guy who sang “The South’s Gonna Do it Again”? Say it ain’t so, Joe.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Oct 7, 2011 6:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Ha! Andrew Dice Clay chimes in on breast cancer awareness. What could possibly go wrong.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Oct 7, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also wrote a song about a utopian society if the South won the Civil War. The surprise isn’t that he said such remarks…the surprise is it took him that long for most people to realize what kind of person he actually is.

-Neon lights, a Nobel prize
-Than the mirror speaks, the reflection lies

by jeff.l.b on Oct 7, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now tell us about David Allen Coe.

(Jesus1000, I should be banned for posting that.)

I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would…but I have no idea who he is off the top of my head, and have no desire to use the ever magical “google”.

Besides, it sounds political and I only argue politics with my parents like the family black sheep should.

-Neon lights, a Nobel prize
-Than the mirror speaks, the reflection lies

by jeff.l.b on Oct 7, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m still waiting for the lines at the gas pump to form. My father warned me of this when I voted for Clinton in ’92.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2011 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

They did happen

You must have been abducted by the black helicopters when that was going on. ;)

by crzycajn on Oct 8, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Well, I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison"

I’ve been a cameraman for shows by Coe and Daniels among many others, just another gig for me, but I’m old enough to know who they are, they will always have “Their” crowd. Consider where the question came from, just saying.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
There are no disgruntled employees, they're all extremely gruntled.-Michael Scott

by metryman on Oct 7, 2011 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, your banned for posting that.

Like you really give a s##t.

"Daddy, them cigarettes are gonna kill you". My aunts last words to my 96 year old grandpa before he fell out of bed and broke his neck reaching for a full pack.

by KilnBill on Oct 7, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I do, I do.

I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was Charlie Daniel's Band

But Hank Jr did sing “If the South Would Have Won (we’d have had it made)”.

by crzycajn on Oct 7, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, that’s a lot worse than what he said this time.

by GlackAndBold on Oct 7, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good call. Same point.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Oct 7, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

coldpizza was thinking of “If the South Woulda Won”. Antebellum!! Antebellum!!

"Good to know I won’t have to hear that song any longer, now if only Faith Hill could say something stupid." - jmsincla

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

right...

I don’t see a problem with his firing at all.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Oct 10, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that Hank and golf are forever linked, maybe he can sell the song to the PGA for the opening of the Master’s. “All my rowdy friends are playing golf on Monday night!”

by GlackAndBold on Oct 7, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

ESPN is owned by Disney

One guess as to the name of the politician at the top of Walt Disney Corporation’s political contribution list. It isn’t a first ammendment issue since ESPN is a private company and they can employ whomever they want, but lets just call it what it is. Disney isn’t going to tolerate its employees criticizing the politicians they support.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Thoughtful criticism and ignorant ramblings are two different things.

ESPN is totally justified in not wanting their employees making ill advised political remarks and firing them if they do. Just as Dave is justified in not allowing political commentary on his blog.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 7, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thoughtful criticism and ignorant ramblings are two different things.

 And the difference between the two generally depends on your own political views. Where do you draw the line? Would it be acceptable if someone walked into work on Monday only to have their boss tell them that what he posted on an internet forum this past week was ignorant rantings, and to pack their stuff and get out?

And Dave doesn’t allow political postings here because he doesn’t want his media forum used to convey those types of messages. Hank Williams Jr. wasn’t using ESPN or Disney to say what he wanted to say. If the guy ended his intro song with “Obama Sucks!” then yeah, fire the guy. But what he does on his own time is no business of ESPN.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

But what he does on his own time is no business of ESPN.

Generally, when an employee’s or a contractor’s actions embarrass the company, the company will part ways. That’s how it works in the private sector.

"Good to know I won’t have to hear that song any longer, now if only Faith Hill could say something stupid." - jmsincla

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t aware that voicing one’s political views could be viewed as embarrassing to an employer. Like I said, its completely legal to terminate him for whatever reason they want to pick out of a hat, but if anyone here should be compared to Nazis, its Walt Disney Corporation.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

You and Bocephus are the only ones comparing anyone or anything to Hitler or Nazi’s.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 7, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you not been on the internet in the past 15 years?

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And for the record, no, I do not think that Walt Disney is anything like the Nazis. I just found it hilarious that Disney was so offended by a Nazi comparison involving our President that they reacted by being so extremely controlling of what their employees are allowed to say.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hank looks like someone who was trying to get fired.

In 2003, Rush Limbaugh was fired from MNF for making a comment about Donovan McNabb that was much less contorversial than what Hank Jr. said. Given that, Willams couldn’t possibly be so naive to think his comments wouldn’t have repercussions.

If you’re an entertainer with a huge ego and a carefully cultivated reputation of being an “outlaw”, better to be fired in a storm of controversy than to sit back and watch your contract not be renewed because you’re no longer considered musically relevant.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 7, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he was trying to get fired then he could have gone way further with this than what he did. Honestly, it took me a long time to even begin to fathom why anyone could possibly have a problem with what he said, and I still feel like the only people that can be offended by it are ones looking for a reason to be offended.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand the outrage

I feel like a lot worse things have been said in the media and it wasn’t taken to this level of controversy. And for people who have the "OMG!! " reaction…..it is Hank Williams, what do you expect him to say? ESPN didn’t have a problem keeping him on the payroll despite his drug and alcohol history or the many other things he has said in the past that weren’t exactly politically correct. They really need to look at all of the things their employees have said in the past that could be taken as offensive or controversial and they better be consistent from now on in their firings. Wonder who the next guilty party will be? Jim Rome, maybe?

Never pick a fight with an ugly person.......they have nothing to lose-Robin Williams

by AcquiredPanic on Oct 7, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

If emus still has his job i have to agree with this

He actually insulted individuals and not did off the wall comparisans on hypothetical situations

by mississippisaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do large, flightless birds have to do with it? :)

by Drew-Dat on Oct 7, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Comment of the week.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Oct 8, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you mean Imus and his comments about the Rutger's women's basketball team?

He was fired from CBS. He was picked up by Cumulus Media and later by Fox.

by HB-NOLA on Oct 7, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Imus still has his job..........

Then his employer is talking to a whole new flock……..

by Ship on Oct 10, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don’t understand the outrage

I think it’s safe to say that had the Dixie Chicks performed the intro for MNF at the time their lead singer made the remark she was “ashamed President Bush is from Texas” (at one of their concerts no less, not on national TV), they would have suffered the same outcome.

The Dixie Chicks incident caused a much larger sh*t storm than Hank’s statement. They were boycotted on both country and pop radio stations who scheduled events for people to bring their CD’s to burn. Their career as a group was crippled to an extent which was never recovered at a time when they were much more popular than Junior is now.

A lot of the same people who felt the Chicks were unpatriotic and should be banned from radio think Hank was just exercising his 1st amendment rights for which there should be no consequences.

Personally, neither the Dixie Chicks or Hank Williams, Jr.’s political statements “offended” me although I thought both were probably stupid.

I think Junior’s son, HWIII may have summed it up best by saying most musicians, including his father, don’t have enough knowledge of politics to talk about it anyway.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 7, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Don't have enough knowledge of politics"

Most Musicians, hhmm, maybe, Bono,Tom Morello>Bocephus, mostly senoirs maybe.imo.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
There are no disgruntled employees, they're all extremely gruntled.-Michael Scott

by metryman on Oct 8, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. The key word is most. The same could be said of the population as a whole. A lot of people confuse having an ideology as having knowledge….which helps explain all the “Hitler” stuff.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 8, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeppers

Fake Rage, Perception not Reality, Truthiness, re-writing History etc.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
There are no disgruntled employees, they're all extremely gruntled.-Michael Scott

by metryman on Oct 8, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of the same people who felt the Chicks were unpatriotic and should be banned from radio think Hank was just exercising his 1st amendment rights for which there should be no consequences.

Exactly the point some of the people are making here. The difference between the Chicks and Hank is that Hanks comment carries with it so much potential weight. He’s a redneck singing country songs such as “If the South had won” (or whatever) making comments about a black president. He embodies the very attributes particular to a demographic that would see something wrong with what the Chicks said and nothing wrong with what he says. It’s the same demographic that listens to Limbaugh and etc., so I don’t think it’s about ESPN making a political statement so much as it’s about the risk involved after Hank made his remarks. It cemented an image that many of us could only assume. I mean I was no way surprised he said what he said and I wouldn’t be surprised if he said worse because that’s always been my suspicion based on his music. It would be no different if some rapper made a joke about hitting women. Would that surprise anyone? It’s not worth the risk for ESPN.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Oct 10, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don’t understand the outrage

ESPN/Disney is hedging their bet. I doubt that they gave a crap because they probably felt the same way. But they wanted to get out in front of any backlash.

I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he was trying to get fired

He obviously was not. He later apologized, then they released him, then he quit with great indignation.

I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he wasn’t trying to get fired, he’s dumber than I thought he was. But I’ll agree that’s certainly possible.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 8, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t aware that voicing one’s political views could be viewed as embarrassing to an employer.

Well, now you are. How many hundreds of examples are there? Any product spokesperson who makes unflattering headlines is usually terminated by company. I’m thinking of Tiger Woods.
Oh sure, Disney is like the Wehrmacht.

I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Junior’s comments were a calculated ploy to garner publicity for a career that’s been in a long, slow decline for a long time.

Rumor has it ESPN felt the twenty one year old intro had just about run it’s course and weren’t going to renew his contract anyway. If that’s true, Hank’s statements gave him the opportunity to go out as a martyr to those sharing his views.

by Drew-Dat on Oct 7, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hank jr net worth estimated at 45 million

Though in 2007 estimated worth was at 107 million. I guess that is a long slow decline. Watch out Brees! It can happen to anybody.

"Daddy, them cigarettes are gonna kill you". My aunts last words to my 96 year old grandpa before he fell out of bed and broke his neck reaching for a full pack.

by KilnBill on Oct 7, 2011 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

lol

I wish I would decline like that

by mississippisaintsfan on Oct 7, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me also!

"Daddy, them cigarettes are gonna kill you". My aunts last words to my 96 year old grandpa before he fell out of bed and broke his neck reaching for a full pack.

by KilnBill on Oct 7, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barry Sanders will be taking Hank's spot on Monday?

How strange? I wish they would at least let him sing. I kinda like the whole musical number leading up to kickoff. ESPN give Metallica a call, they aren’t controversial anymore. Every stadium seems like they already play “Enter Sandman” at all the games anyway.

Never pick a fight with an ugly person.......they have nothing to lose-Robin Williams

by AcquiredPanic on Oct 7, 2011 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

give Metallica a call

Haven’t they sold out enough already? Not that I would know. I do know that Beavis loves them. What greater endorsement could they ever get? Actually, that’s right at a Bocephus level, makes sense.

I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks

by stujo4 on Oct 7, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven’t they sold out enough already?

They sure have… every seat at every stadium of every show they play. ;-)

by Dan Kelly on Oct 7, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

damnit…..you beat me to it

Never pick a fight with an ugly person.......they have nothing to lose-Robin Williams

by AcquiredPanic on Oct 7, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got your back. ;-)

-

you do know where I got that from, right? ;-)

by Dan Kelly on Oct 7, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knew the quote

but I couldn’t remember what interview it was from. I thought it was on one of my Metallica videos at first…….thanks for telling me cuz it would have bothered me all night.

Never pick a fight with an ugly person.......they have nothing to lose-Robin Williams

by AcquiredPanic on Oct 8, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

You Know

For a dumb old country boy from LA (well you know where) .
he sure does cause alotta stink. Check them boots at the door boy. they ain’t no tellin what’s on um?

"Daddy, them cigarettes are gonna kill you". My aunts last words to my 96 year old grandpa before he fell out of bed and broke his neck reaching for a full pack.

by KilnBill on Oct 7, 2011 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

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