Meachem Farrrr from a bust

by Ajun Cajun on Oct 7, 2011 4:48 AM CDT

Let's look closer at the stats used to prove that he is a bust.

Robert Meachem: 101 Receptions-1,649 Yards-17 Touchdowns 1st Rd (27th Overall)

Sydney Rice: 146 Receptions-2,129 Yards-18 Touchdowns 2nd Rd (44th Overall)

Steve Smith: 220 Receptions-2,386 Yards-11 Touchdowns 2nd Rd (51st Overall)

Jacoby Jones: 96 Receptions-1,229 Yards-9 Touchdowns 3rd Rd (73rd Overall)

Mike Simms Walker: 122 Receptions-1,648 Yards-14 Touchdowns 3rd Rd (79th Overall)

Steve Breaston: 187 Receptions-2,528 Yards-7 Touchdowns 5th Rd (142nd Overall)

Chansi Stuckey: 102 Receptions-1,023 Yards-5 Touchdowns 7th Rd (235th Overall)

First off of all those players only Rice has scored more touchdowns and I believe the point was to draft Meachem as a deep threat to stretch the field.

Let's look at yards per catch:

Meachem 16.3

Rice 14.5

Smith 10.8

Jones 12.8

Walker 13.5

Breaston 13.5

Stuckey 10.0

No within a yard of him. WOW!!! How unproductive of him! Let's not forget the early injuries that slowed his progress.

By the way do you know of those recievers, who has the most YAC. Yeap Meachem.

My contention is that he has done exactly what he was drafted to do. Stretch the field. Additionally, he is in an offense that spreads the ball around. Whereas the players mentioned are on teams that have few other options.

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Since you copied and pasted from my fan post, I'm guessing you are referring to me

Reread the article. I didn’t say he was a bust. My argument was that he shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round and that we could have gotten similar production later in the draft. I stated he was a first round bust because of his production compared to what is expected of a first rounder and the production of same position players taken after him in the draft. We didn’t draft Meach just for his stretch the field abilities like you say. When we drafted him we did not have a stud WR and Marques Colston had just finished up his first year with the team. Meach was drafted to be our WR of the future and he has failed to attain that. Your argument is that he a better YPC? He is a long ball receiver, of course his YPC is gonna be better. Epic fail, try again.

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 7, 2011 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

My argument was that he shouldn’t have been drafted in the first round and that we could have gotten similar production later in the draft.

Sounds like a bust to me. Not that I agree…..or do I?

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by cscmember on Oct 7, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Ha!!!

and the plot thickens…..

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 7, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Or does it?

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by cscmember on Oct 7, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Not a bust... but not what our highest hopes were

You draft a WR in the 1st round in hopes he can become your WR1 or a consistent WR2. He was drafted for his speed and size, but also hand hands that were not to be overlooked. He was great possession receiver at Tennessee, as well as a gamebreaker. I would like to see him take a firmer grasp of our long term WR2 spot, or even be capable of filling the shoes of Marques Colston in the coming years if heaven forbid we were not to resign him (long term durability concerns possible vs. big contract potentially). He should have more receptions IMO, but thats debatable since our coaching staff/Drew Brees is usually determined to spread the ball around exploit different matchups depending on the game plan.

A career path more in the mold of NY Giants WR HAkeem NIcks ( Round 1, Pick 29) would def be something I would desire more from Meachem. He has to be able to step up as our #1. period.

by Kesse on Oct 7, 2011 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

I agree with you all your points Kesse

Everything you stated is exactly what I would love to see Meach accomplish. He has had plenty of time to accomplish all of them and I still have hopes that he will show up before his contract is over. I think he has a lot of potential and I feel like we have yet to see all of it.

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 7, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Agreed

IMO when you pick a WR like Meachem, you have to be taking a chance. He’ll sign another contract,just hope it’s with the Saints.(Finger crossed).

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by KilnBill on Oct 7, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Wait....Jamie Farr?

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by jeff.l.b on Oct 7, 2011 11:54 AM CDT reply actions

Here Jeff let me help you out

Wait….Jamie Farr?

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by cajuncommando58 on Oct 7, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Funny

FARRRR, as in emphasis on FAR.

Ajun Cajun exiled to Charlotte. I miss Mardi Gras and the Jazz Fest so much I could cry.

by Ajun Cajun on Oct 8, 2011 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Really?…I had no idea…seriously….no idea………….

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by jeff.l.b on Oct 10, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions

So let me get this straight?

You think on a team where it is stressed that the ball be spread around. In an offense where it is the purpose of the quarterback to hit the open receiver. You think a wideout pick anywhere in the first round should be the shining star. Other than his first season, which was somewhat the product of injury, Meachem has been the Saints main deep threat. He has produced 20 tds in four years versus 21 for Colston. This season here are the numbers:
Rec Yds Yds/G Avg Lg TD 1st YAC Trgt
Meachem 18 190 47.5 10.6 31 3 12 28 26
Colston 7 89 44.5 12.7 23 0 4 25 12

Let’s look at receptions per game to be fair to Colston, because he has been hurt. Meachem 4.5, Colston 3.5. Yards per game Meachem 47.5, Colston 44.5. Touchdowns Meachem 3, Colston 0. First downs per game Meachem 3, Colston 2. Catch percentage Meachem 69.2, Colston 58.3.

By this season’s numbers, it looks like Meachem has been more the possession receiver than Colston, with more production. I don’t think you can even hint at Meachem being a bust or a failure as a low number one pick. On the contrary, I think Meachem is the number two wide receiver on this team.

Can anyone argue that Steve Smith is considered a number one receiver and one of the most dangerous receivers in the league. Yet, Meachem has more touchdowns, a much better ypc. My contention is that Meachem was hurt by his bad first season, but mostly due to injuries and that stupid holdout.

I also contend with the injury to Colston that Meachem has stepped up to be our possession wideout. I will not deny that as of now our best target in the slot is Graham, but this only make Meachem more dangerous.

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by Ajun Cajun on Oct 8, 2011 12:06 AM CDT reply actions

Call the doctor....its worse than I thought

You think a wideout pick anywhere in the first round should be the shining star.

Yes, I do. I think anyone selected in the first round should be a “shining star.” If you want the money you gotta put up the production. It works like that everywhere else, why not the NFL? If he was taken later in the draft, I would have no problem with his production. But he has had years to step up and be the number 1 or number 2 receiver on the team and he hasn’t come close. I’ve said it before but “Would Payloo still draft him if they had to do it all over again?” I just don’t see how they could justify taking him that high. If they had to do it all over again I imagine Paul Posluszny would be a Saint. If you paid for a 50,000 dollar sports car and you were missing a 100 horsepower, you would probably take it back, wouldn’t you?

He has produced 20 tds in four years versus 21 for Colston.

I’m guessing this is the only stat you could pull where Meachem was ahead of Colston in a category other than YPC and the only way you could do that was by adding this season to Meachems stats while Colston was hurt. That isn’t a good comparison imo.

By this season’s numbers, it looks like Meachem has been more the possession receiver than Colston, with more production.

Are you kidding me? Colston has been hurt. He has hardly played at all this season. How can you compare Meachem’s 4 games to Colston’s 1. I am not even gonna count the Carolina game as a game because we all know Colston was just playing to shake the rust off and Brees wasn’t gonna be hitting him over the middle or looking his way during Colston’s minimal snaps. You did say you wanted to be fair to Colston, didn’t you?

Yet, Meachem has more touchdowns, a much better ypc.

No, No, No, you can’t compare Meach to Steve Smith. Meachem has 1 more touchdown and 340 less yards than Steve Smith. How can you make a comparison? Why is YPC so important for grading a receiver to you? That is the last thing I look at when I look at WR stats. You do know that the less catches you have the more your YPC average will be, right? I suggest looking at both their stats again when the regular season is over and see how close they are.

Meachem was hurt by his bad first season, but mostly due to injuries and that stupid holdout.

His first season was in 2007. How long does he need to recover from it?

Meachem has stepped up to be our possession wideout.

Say what? If there is a possession receiver on our team other than Colston it is Moore. What stats show that he is a possession receiver? He is averaging 4 catches a game this year. Moore is averaging 5 catches in 3 games. Meach has not had more than 5 catches in a game this year. Moore had 9 against Houston.

Just to be clear, I like Meachem. I think he is a good player. I am glad that he is a Saint. I hope he will stay a Saint. I just want him to live up to his potential and be our stud WR. I don’t want to have to spend another high draft pick on a receiver in the next couple of years. I want him to take playing time away from Devery. Meach is looking good this year but I want him to step it up even more. The Colston injury was his perfect time to shine but I don’t even think he fully embraced that opportunity.

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 8, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions

and I meant the Jaguars game when I said Carolina……I have Sunday on my mind…apologies

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 8, 2011 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Sounds like you guys need some more graham and sproles in your life. (this is were I would put highlights if I knew how to do it in my iPad)

by ckycracker on Oct 8, 2011 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions

I’m still trying to figure out how to do stuff on my Ipad…..if you figure it out, let me know, lol

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 8, 2011 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions

You got to be kidding me.

Say what? If there is a possession receiver on our team other than Colston it is Moore. What stats show that he is a possession receiver? He is averaging 4 catches a game this year. Moore is averaging 5 catches in 3 games. Meach has not had more than 5 catches in a game this year. Moore had 9 against Houston.

Moore has only 15 catches and 9 happened in one game. So that means he only 6 in the other games. Meachem has had 5, 4, 5 and 4 catches, which seems very consistent to me. Meachem has 18 catches, Moore has 15. Meachem has 190 yards, Moore has a 144. Meachem has 3 touchdowns: Moore has one. Meachem has 12 first downs, Moore has 9. It looks to me that Meachem is having a better season than Moore.

Meachem was hurt by his bad first season, but mostly due to injuries and that stupid holdout.

His first season was in 2007. How long does he need to recover from it?

He has produced 20 tds in four years versus 21 for Colston.

I’m guessing this is the only stat you could pull where Meachem was ahead of Colston in a category other than YPC and the only way you could do that was by adding this season to Meachems stats while Colston was hurt. That isn’t a good comparison imo.

Let’s compare your two quotes. Let me get this straight the season that Meachem was hurt doesn’t mean anything, yet Colston’s does. Sounds like a double standard to me.

By the way I compare the four years, because that is the years that they were both on the team.

Why is YPC so important for grading a receiver to you? That is the last thing I look at when I look at WR stats. You do know that the less catches you have the more your YPC average will be, right? I suggest looking at both their stats again when the regular season is over and see how close they are.

Then you don’t know much about football. I like to look at a thing called PRODUCTIVITY. you see if you have a 200 catch receiver with only 1000 yards and 3 touchdowns, I don’t think that is very productive. If a runner has 1000 yards on 350 carries, I don’t consider that very productive. You see by averaging only 2.86 yards per carry, you need fourth downs to make a first.

So let’s look at PRODUCTIVITY this season. We will compare Moore to Meachem. Meachem has 12 first downs and 3 touchdowns in 18 catches. Moore has 9 first downs and one touchdown in 15 catches. That means Meachem has productivity index of 83.3% and Moore has productivity index of 66.7%. I think that a four yard catch on first down is not as big as four yard catch on third and 4.

Now let’s look at number of touches. The Saints average 70 offensive plays a game this season. Of which, the running backs have 37 of the touches. That leaves 5 to 6 receivers 6+ touches per game.

Meachem is averaging 7.25 touches per game, which is more than his share of touches. In that he has had 3 touchdowns and 12 first downs.

Ajun Cajun exiled to Charlotte. I miss Mardi Gras and the Jazz Fest so much I could cry.

by Ajun Cajun on Oct 8, 2011 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Great arguing with you.....we'll have to do it again sometime, lol

Thanks for backing you points up too. I hate when people argue something without backing it up. So I appreciate the time you put into pulling those numbers. I know that can get very time consuming when trying to put something together. Hopefully Meach will continue to have a good season. I would love to see him get a 1000 yard season under his belt.

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 10, 2011 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Geez...i thought you had Colston's touchdowns at 20 and Meachem's at 21

in a four year span in your argument. I was looking at it backwards I guess. I am seeing things and need to go to sleep.

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by AcquiredPanic on Oct 8, 2011 3:05 AM CDT reply actions

No receiver is having a better year than the other.

Just because one of our receivers isn’t getting as many targets as another doesn’t mean anything. That’s just how it is on this team and I’m sure no receiver is complaining. No matter where Meachem was drafted, it doesn’t matter to me. He is an asset to this team as is Lance, Colston, devery and Arrington. All of these receivers get their hands on the ball depending on the play and situation. All is good. But, if the receiver is thrown a catchable ball, he best catch it on this team or he will be playing less. Meachem is a deep threat as is Devery. They are the burners on the team and we will see plenty of them in deep passes this year IMO.

by tommy v on Oct 9, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions