New Orleans Saints Offensive Player Grades @ Rams
I'm not going to spend much time writing an intro here. For lack of a more polite term, this was a complete &%#$ show. If I could point to one reason for the epic failure of the offense, it would be horrendous play by the offensive line. The interior wasn't physical on passing plays and the exterior pass blocked as bad as I've ever seen them do it. Chris Long practically stopped the Saints' highly potent offense all on his own. Brees played poorly, but I think that can also be traced back to the lack of protection he was getting.
Drew Brees: C- (3.21) He finished 30-44 for 269 yards, 1 meaningless touchdown with 6 seconds left in the game to extend his streak, and 2 interceptions. The first interception he threw just before halftime was a horrible pass downfield into coverage that was a terrible decision. He forced the ball in a classic attempt to try to make up a 17 point deficit on one play. I expect more out of a elite veteran quarterback than a mistake like that. While his second pick was also terrible, it's hard to blame him at that point as the Saints turned completely one dimensional. The accuracy on his throws were off and with coverage clearly focused on Sproles and Graham Brees looked rattled. In the end, Brees running for his life most of the game was a major reason for such poor play.Chris Ivory: C- (1.67) His first game of the season wasn't an impressive one at all. He did a poor job of breaking tackles and made bad plays worse by trying to bounce outside. He had 18 yards on 6 carries. He did convert on one 3rd and short which was maybe the lone shining point of the game for him.
Darren Sproles: C (3.29) For lack of a more descriptive view of his performance, his output was very Reggie Bush - esque. Ironic when you consider Bush had 100 yards rushing for the second time in his career this weekend. Sproles was much less decisive in his cuts for some reason this weekend. He ran with a lot less conviction and looked confused out there. He also made a poor decision taking out a number of kickoffs that resulted in horrible field position. He had 6 carries for just 16 yards, going down very easily on contact, and he had 6 catches for 60 yards. He also averaged 24.2 yards per kickoff return which sounds way better than it was, and 6.3 yards per punt return.
Pierre Thomas: C+ (2.83) Can someone explain to me why PT gets 7 carries in a game where the Saints were without Mark Ingram against the worst run defense in the NFL? PT didn't do much, but he did have a touchdown run. That's about it. He had just 23 yards on 7 carries and 11 yards on 4 carries. 34 yards on 11 touches isn't going to cut it.
Jed Collins: B- (3.00) He had 3 receptions for 15 yards and showed really good hands in the flat and good after the catch toughness. His lead blocking could have been better but he wasn't the reason for the poor showing.
Marques Colston: C+ (2.89) He had just 3 catches for 50 yards despite being targeted numerous times. He had a hard time getting separating and he wasn't able to use his frame to box out defenders. The Rams did an excellent job covering him for the most part.
Lance Moore: B+ (2.86) By far the best Saint on the day, but he left some receptions out there. Without him the score could have been much much worse. Espn says he had 7 catches for 74 yards and a touchdown, and I've seen 8 catches for 82 elsewhere... so I'm really not sure. Either way, he benefited from all the attention Colston/Sproles/Graham got and contributed.
Devery Henderson: D (2.42) He had 1 catch for 8 yards despite being targeted 4 times. He's really useless right now, and he did a poor job on Brees' first interception of playing defense on a jumpball.
Robert Meachem: C- (2.42) He had 2 catches for 12 yards, which excludes a catch he could have made in traffic but didn't. He did show good hands on a high ball by Brees, but he had zero impact on the game.
Jimmy Graham: C+ (3.29) He had 4 catches for 39 yards on 8 targets. The Rams knew he was a threat and they did a great job double covering him down the seam. Brees tried to force the issue into Graham a few times and he was lucky no interceptions happened as a result. Graham's blocking was poor and he wasn't able to make an impact in the game like we've counted on him to do lately. Through 8 games, Graham is tied for the best GPA on offense. They will share my mid-season offensive MVP award.
John Gilmore: C- (2.00) Another pretty poor blocking performance by a "blocking specialist". Yawn. The depth at tight end this year has been atrocious for the Saints.
Jermon Bushrod: D+ (2.54) I've been praising him a lot lately, and right on queue he turns in by far his worst performance of the year. Robert Quinn beat him off the edge repeatedly and he did an incredibly poor job of pass blocking. His run blocking was slightly better, but honestly it was a lackluster performance all around. He only allowed one sack somehow, but he was close to allowing about 3 more if it wasn't for Brees' quick release. He almost got Brees killed.
Carl Nicks: C- (2.67) I am floored to see Nicks getting pushed around in the trenches. Very seldom do you just see him get knocked off the ball and pushed back. It was a shockingly poor performance against the run. His pass blocking was solid considering what a mess things were around him. He apparently almost got in a fight with the offensive line coach as well. Fail.
Brian De La Puente: C+ (2.39) In my estimation he was the most solid Saints' lineman on the day. That's really not saying much. His average performance was lost in the mix of the horrid showing by everyone else, though.
Jahri Evans: C- (3.13) Very mediocre performance by a player that's been so reliable until this game. I wasn't sure how whether to dock his grade or boost it have he punted the ball into the stands and got a 15 yard penalty following the pick 6. At least he was showing he cares, but that shows how lost the Saints' poise was in this game. He was fine pass blocking and poor in run block.
Charles Brown: F (2.14) This was reminiscent of Bushrod's performance against the Cowboys and DeMarcus Ware back in the day. Brown was beaten three ways from Sunday and looked like a ragdoll blocking Godzilla. He had no business out there and was completely manhandled by Chris Long. An absolutely embarrassing performance made worse by his loss of cool. The false start following a sack given up made it clear he was mentally shot, and the injury he sustained was actually welcome because he meant he'd leave the game.
Pat McQuistan: D- (1.67) He was passable off the edge though he missed a crucial block on 3rd and short. Then, after Brown left with an injury, he somehow managed to look even worse. Chris Long had a blast with him as his job got even easier. Zach Strief can't return to the lineup soon enough. The fact that I'm this excited about Zach Strief coming back should speak volumes about how right tackle has been going since he got hurt.
My Offensive Player of the Game: Lance Moore
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You know the commercial where the guy
who doesn’t eat his snickers turns into Betty White. Well, the whole Saint’s offense forgot to eat their snickers last Sunday.
Lol, a team of Betty Whites
might have been less embarrassing. At least she’s scrappy.
by snowboard_kat on Nov 1, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Great SB comm. as well as Richard Lewis'.... forget the product Snickers? too?
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
i think so…
my favorite of the snickers commercials was the one with Patty Label (?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9-q8yHhLM
“Can you feel that?”
uh... I think that's Aretha Franklin
and yeah, that’s my favorite of the snickers commercials too.
Well, except for this one.
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -Albert Einstein
oh, I thought the ‘?’ was about the spelling (it’s LaBelle).
I’m pretty sure I saw the Mr T commercial on TV at least once. It didn’t last long though – I think some folks must’ve thought the “Get Some Nuts” tagline went too far.
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -Albert Einstein
Also good, one of the first in the series
Yes Aretha, and Liza Minelli
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
I'm thinking (and hoping) that the return (hopefully) of Zach Strief and Dave Thomas will help things.
Being at home should help. Last week’s wakeup call should help. The memory of the rout vs. the Colts should help the team know what they are capable of. And hopefully the return of Payton should help.
Actually, the defense started the game pretty darn good. First 4 or 5 possessions- they only gave up 3 pts. My theory is that they went into shock and froze up when they saw how bad the offense was playing.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
Yeah I really can't fault the D
when the offense is practically giving handing the ball over to the Rams saying “Here, have another score!”.
I give the D it's due also.
Sadly they had to score the first points of the game. Their only weakness was giving up 159 yards to Jackson but then better D’s give up a lot of yards to Steven. If not for the blocked punt and INT with the short fields there-in Steven probably wouldn’t have gotten both of those TDs.
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Nov 1, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
yep
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
O- Line terrors on spooky sunday!
The Rams embarrassed us totally! They now have a victory to which we seemed to give them on a Sliver Platter. Maybe we have become spoiled or did we just throw it! The highlights were of them either sacking, one handed stops or harassing us!
Okay lets put this in a sack and bury it in the backyard! Now lets line up and do your jobs! Now coaches if you see someone beating you off the edges, send someone into help stop them making an All-Pro day!
Come on Saints do it consistently!
Sad to say..
but I think the grading was overly generous…
I was thinking about this yesterday…Was there a single position on the field where the Rams did not outplay the Saints
1. QB— Rams with retread 2nd string QB of Rams besting All Pro QB of Saints
2. Running back- Rams
3. Tight end- A wash
4. Wide Receiver- Rams (Saints have Wide receivers? Who knew?)
5. Offensive line-Rams
6. Defensive line-Rams
7. Linebackers-Rams
8. Secondary-Rams
9. placekicker-Rams
10. Kickoffs and punts- Ok Saints, except we got punt blocked
11. Coaching staff- Rams
12. Post-game excuses- Saints
13. Best sideline almost brawl- Saints
Overall team grade F minus
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
It will be alright.
Strief is getting healthy, and will start soon. Perhaps better play calling would help as well.
A good clown is a DEAD clown!
Strief is only one player
Better hope for better play calling.
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Nov 1, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
As Reggie Bush stated: "The team stinks" ie....Brees, OLine, Def Coordinator, Pat Robinson...etc...
Hard but fair, sad but true. Every week with exception of Indy game, if its not the offense, its the defense. We honestly don’t know what kind of offenensive or defensive production we’re going to see. That’s not how championship teams play. We know the Ravens, Steelers, and other teams with good D show it 90% of the times just like teams with great Offense show it 90% of the times. With our team, we rarely get great Offense AND decent every week and sorry to say it but this isn’t our year for a championship. Brees won’t run through open lanes to save his life, our D will give up 100+ yds to anybody listed as a RB and our playcalling isn’t consistent enough to put a team away decisively. Brees is trying not to get hurt by not running when he has a chance to but is in reality HURTING the team with his decisions. I get the fact he’s not a hybrid QB but when the opportunity presents itself to run because the pocket is collasping and no one is open AND the next defensive player is 7-10 yds away, QBs that want to win will take it and not throw an INT. I hate to say this also but I think because he won’t do “everything” it takes to win a game, Brees days as a Saint is numbered hence the delay in him signing a new contract. Now the O-line played the worst football since the days of Bobby Hebert but as a “winning QB” you’re supposed to recognize that and improvise and Brees didn’t do that.
well.. the plague hates to say this, but..
“.. burn the fish-man aliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
by the 9th plague on Nov 1, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Who Dat Nation,
Some Mofos need to relax,
1) No we are not the 2009 saints
2) We are still a great team
3) 2 losses to opponents that we should have beat not the end of world
4) we are 5-3, not 4-4, 3-4, etc
5) 2010 SB teams, 10-6, 11-5 w/ losses to opponents they should have beat
6) Should we be disappointed? Hell yes!
7) Plenty of time to get it together, one win at a time
8) If any team has the ability to get it together, we do!
9) In SP and DB we trust
10)We are the best fans in the NFL because we have faith in our State, City, Team!
P.S. Waaaay to much coffee!
by jonrockets on Nov 1, 2011 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it's a blessing in disguise for the team
Sometimes it takes a huge slap in the face for a team to wake up and start playing to their potential. And that’s something we’ve been flashing this season: great potential, but lackluster consistent performances. Obviously we know that our offensive line is better than they showed Sunday, as is Drew Brees. They’ve had far more great games than ones like this one. The idea is to stay optimistic. I’m not going to lie, I had a nasty feeling we’d lose this game before it started and I told that to my friends and family about ten minutes prior to kickoff. Unfortunately I was right. I’ve learned that our Saints are consistently inconsistent. However, I think this game was the turning point. I have a gut feeling that guys in that locker room are more disappointed in themselves than we could ever be, and this game is going to stick with them for the rest of the season. They know they’ve got to pick up the pace, and I think guys are finally going to start playing their best ball every weekend.
"I've been big ever since I was little." - William "The Refrigerator" Perry
It does happen... (you could be right)
It happens to the Chargers often…
Started off with 2 wins in first 8… then won 8 straight to get into the playoffs.
I was actually very impressed by Jed Collins
I distinctly remember two plays where he caught short passes and made someone miss in order to pick up the first down.
Very true!
I saw shades of a younger Heath Evans
"I've been big ever since I was little." - William "The Refrigerator" Perry
Can't say I disagree with anything ya said.
Well, except that the phrase “Right on queue” should be “Right on cue”
The two words are pronounced the same, but queue refers to a line you wait in. As in, “The queue for the checkout begins here.” The other word is cue as in cue ball, to say “The saint’s O-line laid down right on cue as soon as the ball was snapped each play”
I'm writing in a vote for Pierre Thomas for offensive player of the game
He was actually pretty good when he had even the slightest help. I’d give him a B grade.
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -Albert Einstein
by HB-NOLA on Nov 1, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We/OLine were manhandled...
Some fans like to think “we needed that loss so we can refocus and win”. Isn’t that what was supposed to happen after losing to TB? We did BUT its got to last longer than 1 game(Indy). My thing its kind of like going back in time to the days before Mora when you didn’t know what you were getting on Sundays and just kept your fingers crossed! The Rams D looked like the Ravens the way they pushed our OLine around and kept pinning Brees to the ground. The real sorry part was, WHAT HAPPENED TO 2nd HALF ADJUSTMENTS? Is this how SB caliber teams play and actually “get” to the superbowl? Ah……..Nah
If you can't protect you can't win
we never adjusted to Chris Long at all, no help, no change of snap count, why didn’t we just load up and run “AT” him, with a FB and TE push him out the way or put him on his rear end a few times. We let him tee-off every play it seemed. His confidence was thru the roof.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi

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