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Day After Rants: Dirty Birds

These rants almost didn't happen thanks to a massive consumption of the alcohol known as Jack Daniels and Bacardi. But alas, I drank enough to not be able to sleep, so I was able to write these.

This week was a big win, sort of like last week except the Saints have now done everything but clinch the division. I'll go into that further when I start my ranting, but this game was awesome. It was almost like the inverse of the 2010 Falcons-Saints match up. Saints winning on an OT FG after a "WOW" moment by the opposing team. That just seems familiar.

So anyway, make the jump to see more rants, pro Brees arguments, and another play breakdown.

Star-divide

Do You Realize How Much This Win Mattered?

The New Orleans Saints are now 7-3 and the Falcons are 5-4. If the Saints had lost, the Saints would be 6-4 and the Falcons would be 6-3. The Falcons would be in first place and in control of their own destiny by a game. By winning, the Saints are in first place, get to relax this week, are in control of their own destiny (by two games currently) and have the #3 seed if the playoffs started tomorrow.

This was a huge game and it's great that the Saints won.

 

How About that Curse?

Saints are now 2-0 when wearing throwbacks and 2-0 when wearing black pants and white jerseys. Polar opposite from what happened last year. Who was that idiot saying the black pants were at fault for the Saints losses? He should be drawn and quartered! Look over there! (runs away).

 

In Which I Piss Off Coldpizza and Start Another Argument When I'm Actually Being Kinda Sarcastic.

Saints lost TOP 36:32 to 30:03.

Saints lost offensive balance by having a pass run percentage of 73: 27 compared to the Falcons 63:37.

Scott Shanle had the game changing interception.

/avoids comments for fear of flame war

 

Awesome Pic of The Week

Payton first down

 

In which I defend Mike Smith Even if It Makes My Ulcer Flare Up

Ok, going for it on 4th down, I agree with that call. Don't look at the results, look at the game. Your offense just put a 3 and out on the field. Your team is tired, there's little momentum, the fans are nervous, and Drew Brees is salivating at the chance to march down the field.

If the Falcons make that down, the Falcons have stunned the Saints, have the ball back, are in control of this game, and their defense gets to rest a little bit longer. Most of all, you put the thought in everyone's head that you want to win this game.

That I agree with completely. However, running Turner up the gut in a play which everyone and their mom knew was coming...was mind boggling. You spread the Saints out by going 4 wide and have a draw play, that's shocking. You go play action from an I-formation, that's shocking. Running Turner in an I-form...isn't shocking.

It just seems like to me Smith put his balls to the wall with that call, and then made a play call that was anything but. So let's break it down, shall we?

 

Breakdown of the Week: Stuffed on 4th Down

Here is the play in question. Falcons have decided to go for it on 4th and inches in overtime. As you can see from the following image, the Falcons are in the I with a 2 Tight end, 2 back set with Roddy White out wide. Saints are anticipating run.

Stuffed 1

 

Ryan sends White out in motion, revealing the Saints are going to blitz as Jabari Greer is in man coverage with Roddy White. If Ryan were in a play action pass, the Falcons likely get this down and I may be writing this post through tears and Jack Daniels. Instead of just tears of Jack Daniels.

Stuffed 2

 

Here's where I would be screaming for play action. Saints have 10 guys at the line. 10!! If Matt Ryan fakes to Turner and throws to Roddy White (a supposed premier wideout in the league) he gets this first down very easily. Yet it's a running play. Pity for them.

Stuffed 3

 

Now, take a look at what Turner has to deal with. His only shot is to start running North-South and hoping that the Saints defenders watching him all can't tackle him...which is something that was very likely to happen knowing how "well" they tackled in this game. Still, anything up the gut is a guaranteed stuff, and he needs to go the outside immediately.

Stuffed 4

 

Turner decides that up the gut is the way to go. The Saints laugh and proceed to tackle him.

Stuffed 5

 

Turner gets stuffed behind the line of scrimmage for a 2 yard loss and a turnover on downs for the Falcons.

Stuffed 6

 

Finally, the reaction of who dat nation.

 

Marino Watch

Brees Yards: 3326

Marino's record: 5084

Yards to go: 1758

Games left: 6

Passing yards per game needed to tie passing record: 293

Brees current yards per game average: 332.6

 

Weekly "Why Brees is Awesome" Rant

Brees has the most completions of any NFL QB by 61 completions. Now, Brees also has the most attempts in the league with 422, good for 60 most over any QB. However, Brees 70.9 completion rate is good for an NFL record and is only 2nd to Aaron Rodgers 72.5%. Brees threw for a total of 3,004 yards over 9 games, the first QB in NFL history to do so. Tom Brady became the 2nd QB to do that today with 3,032. Brees currently leads the league with 3,326 yards. However, Brees ranks 8th in terms of YPA. He isn't making tons of deep throws, but is starting to take what the defense is giving him, and still getting these numbers.

Brees is 2nd in terms of yards per game. That distinction goes to Brady who has 4.3 yards per game more. Drew Brees is tied for 2nd in the league for total passing touchdowns with 23. His interceptions is tied for 4th most in the league, however, is over the "2:1 TD: INT" ratio. Brees is tied with Mike Vick and Rex Grossman, with Cam Newton and Tom Brady having 10 interceptions. Drew Brees has the most passing first downs with 170, which gives him the 5th highest 1st down percentage with 40.3%. Drew Brees is also tied for the 4th most 20 yard plays or more, while also being tied for 7th in 40 yard plays or more. He has 38 and 6 respectively. Drew Brees has taken 19 sacks, Jay Cutler has gone down 23 times and Big Ben has been downed 31 times. Good for 16th, 5th, and 1st respectively. Finally, Drew Brees has the 3rd highest QB rating with 101.3. Brady is 2nd with 102.0 and Aaron Rodgers is first with 129.0.

 

Awesome Dog Pic of the Week:

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via i1216.photobucket.com

 

Winning Streak

The Saints are two more wins away from having their 3rd straight winning season. If they make the playoffs, this will be their third straight winning season and third straight playoff appearance. If this team can get another Lombardi, I don't know how you can say this team isn't a dynasty.

 

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NON-TOP, NON-TOP, NON-TOP!!! Haaaaaaaaaa!

R.I.P. Andy Rooney

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 14, 2011 5:38 AM CST reply actions  

We oldtimer mention it a lot also.

Course we, for the most part, admit to much lower consumption, than when we were Teenagers.

R.I.P. Andy Rooney

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 14, 2011 5:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I seldom mention how often or how much I drink. Primarily because I seldom drink, but also because I know no one gives a flying rat’s a** how often or how much I do.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 5:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, maybe Kat.
but also because I know no one gives a flying rat’s a** how often or how much I do.

R.I.P. Andy Rooney

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 14, 2011 6:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point. I should probably start drinking heavily so she’ll like me more. Or at least claim to.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't want you drunk.

I want you sober. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else…

by snowboard_kat on Nov 14, 2011 6:22 AM CST up reply actions  

You should have said something before I tapped this keg

GLUG GLUG GLUG GLUG!

WEEEEEEE!!!! LOOK, EVERYBUDDY!!!!! I’M RUSSELL BRAND!!!!!!!1

*hic

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:25 AM CST up reply actions  

And by keg, I mean talentless minx named Katy.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Always.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 14, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure the guy who struggles to string together a one line play summary will enhance its value.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

And away we go…

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 15, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Primarily because I seldom drink, but also because I know no one gives a flying rat’s a** how often or how much I do.

Would you like to purchase a friend? There are websites where you can get them for 50 rubles.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 3:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Saints lost offensive balance by having a pass run percentage of 73: 27 compared to the Falcons 63:37.

“Lost” offensive balance? Really? Neither team maintained reasonable balance. Neither team won comfortably. And this belies that assertion how? If both teams passed (or ran) 100% of the time, one of them is obviously going to win. You’re not exactly shedding new light on the subject.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 5:55 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

Anti-rec

For an inability to admit when something doesn’t conform to your idea of what should happen in the world.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Uh ... hello?

I’m readily admitting that what occurred doesn’t conform to my idea of what should happen. My idea of what should happen is that the Saints should run a more balanced attack and win games more comfortably based on that approach, along with other contributing factors. For whatever the reason, they don’t do that regularly. Of what inability do you speak? I seem to be fully cognizant of the fact that Sean Payton and I aren’t on the same page, in terms of offensive philosophy.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

The Falcons weren’t a balanced team at all. 63/37 isn’t balanced. And what you’re mentioning aren’t anomalies. An anomaly is something completely out of the norm. Teams win despite having slightly less TOP all the time. That doesn’t mean it behooved them to have less. Teams win despite missing FGs all the time. That doesn’t mean it behooves them to miss FGs. Would you call a missed FG an anomaly? I sure as hell wouldn’t.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The Falcons weren’t a balanced team at all. 63/37 isn’t balanced.

They were a heck of a lot more balanced than the Saints, and as you have said constantly, the more balanced team has an advantage. I guess it wasn’t as much of an advantage as the Saints had from constantly utilizing a passing game that worked.

And what you’re mentioning aren’t anomalies. An anomaly is something completely out of the norm.

So if it is the norm for teams to win when they are out of balance, doesn’t that make everything you’ve said in this thread worthless?

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ranting about time of possession is more important than reality, clearly.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Duly noted

Is dispelling the importance of TOP less important? Just trying to prioritize my keynote speeches.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

COLDPIZZA FOR HEAD COACH! COLDPIZZA FOR HEAD COACH!

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Peyton is essentially retired. Take a cue.

Welcome to the party, we're all just papers in the wind

by stujo4 on Nov 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

They've got the Suck for Luck bandwagon going...

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 3:22 AM CST up reply actions  

You act like I only bitch about this sort of thing after losses. I’ve been doing it all season, outside of the two games they managed to keep it in between 60/40. Which just so happen to be the two games they won most comfortably. There’s still been seven other glaring examples of “could be going about this whole play calling thing better” served up thus far, regardless of whether they happened to come out on top on the scoreboard.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

The two biggest factors in this game, not including OT, were not TOP or Balance. The saints won the TO margin and both kickers missed a FG. I believe that if we didn’t win the TO margin and their kicker didn’t miss, we lose.

It’s not always a balanced attack that wins, it will always depend on the team you are playing but do I believe, based on some of the nice runs that we got, that we could have run more and possibly controlled the game better in the 4th and not gone to overtime. There is certainly a huge amount of precedence to back that up. But because we were able to win and tie in those other areas we came out ok. The OT gaff by smith speaks for itself and so we won. Very close game.

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Wookie Steak.
Is that good?
It's a little chewy.

by WestBank on Nov 14, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

of course you could say that if we ran a more balanced approach, 60-40, 65-35, we may have had less punts, but ATL D line is very good but not 2.9 yards a carry good. We could have done better ont he ground.

Whats for dinner, dad?
Wookie Steak.
Is that good?
It's a little chewy.

by WestBank on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Every team in the league is 2.9 ypc good, if you stop running after a couple of stuffs. Just think if they took that same approach to passing. Drew BREEEEEEEEEEEES sure wouldn’t be doing NyQuil commercials.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats what I’m saying though, we should have run a bit more, especially late 3rd and with a 10 point lead in the 4th. PT and Ingram could have easily carried us to a non OT victory. ATL is averaging 4 ypc against their D line.

Has anyone ever noticed we don’t run very many toss run plays?

Whats for dinner, dad?
Wookie Steak.
Is that good?
It's a little chewy.

by WestBank on Nov 14, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

FIFY

PT, not Ingram, may have carried us to a non OT victory.

by tommy v on Nov 15, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

how many times do i have to splain it to you.. lucy..

you can make up the yards a lot quicker.. by passing, even with the higher inherited risks..
the objective of the game is driving & SCORING not just playing around with the football to see how it feels..

by the 9th plague on Nov 14, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, if those passes are netting you 10 yards every three attempts. 50% of the time against the Falcons, they weren’t.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

you can make up the yards a lot quicker.

Making up yards “quicker” is not what’s important in football. There’s no bonus points for scoring faster.

the objective of the game is driving & SCORING

Which has been accomplished a higher percentage of the time that running has been a 41% factor or higher in a drive than not. All. Season. Long.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Which has been accomplished a higher percentage of the time that running has been a 41% factor or higher in a drive than not. All. Season. Long.

LOL

Correlation =/= causation. The more successful the drive, more than likely the more plays. The more plays, the higher the likelihood of variance – run/pass, different types of run, different types of pass.

It handily eliminates those drives where a failed run causes failed passes on 2nd-and-9 and 3rd-and-9. Funny that.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 3:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Correlation =/= causation.

Absolutely. And what you just described is the causation. It also summarizes the advantage of mixing it up, i.e., the reason the topic is brought up so often. The correlation includes EVERY drive. Even the three and outs. In case you haven’t noticed, it’s mathematically impossible for a three play drive to fall within a 59/41 split. It’s either 100/0 or 67/33. Same goes for interceptions on the very first play. There is no accumulation of plays on one play drives. There’s also no balance.

The more successful the drive, more than likely the more plays.

The more balance on the drive, the more successful the drive. You don’t need to rack up a single first down to arrive at that conclusion, champ. Any one play drive either ended in an INT, a fumble, a TD, a FG, a safety, or a kneel. I’ll give you a hint which one is most prevalent (starts with i). Any two play drive also ended one of those six ways, guaranteed. The most prevalent? Also starts with i. If one of those two plays happened to be a run, the i word is automatically avoided for however many number of seconds that play took. That automatically makes the drive more successful than a pass only two play drive. 2 = 2. 1 is not contingent upon the other, outside of the fact that the second doesn’t exist without maintaining possession. On a one play drive, that’s accomplished far more frequently on a non-pass. That’s just common sense. So much for your “more plays” angle.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Facepalm.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Which has been accomplished a higher percentage of the time that running has been a 41% factor or higher in a drive than not. All. Season. Long.

Source?

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 15, 2011 5:23 AM CST up reply actions  

It's an obviously loaded statistic anyway.

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 6:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Of course it is. Because you don’t choose to recognize it.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 6:57 AM CST up reply actions  

No one does, except you.

That’s probably because you’re right and everyone else is wrong, though. Silly me!

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 6:58 AM CST up reply actions  

If it were actually useful...

teams would employ statisticians instead of Offensive Coordinators.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:26 AM CST up reply actions  

They do. Elias Sports Bureau handles the majority of the league.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

What part of "instead of" do you misunderstand?

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2011 2:28 AM CST up reply actions  

NFL Gamebook. Weeks 1-10.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You gotta show your work on this one big fella.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I’ve already done that for several games. Here’s a simple how to:

1. Pull up the play by play on each game.
2. Break down each drive by pass or run.
3. Be sure to exclude “no play” penalties.
4. Determine the passing percentage of each drive, by dividing the number of passing plays by the total number of plays.
5. Note the end result of the drive and categorize each as TD, FG or FAILED.
6. If the passing percentage of the drive is 60% or higher, or 40% or lower, that’s considered an unbalanced drive. Tally that number of drives.
7. If it falls anywhere in between 60 and 40, that’s a balanced drive. Tally that number of drives.
8. Multiply each tally by 7. This is the maximum number of points that can be reasonably expected for each offensive series. You can actually score 8, there’s just no sense in watering down statistics based on something so uncommon as a 2 pt conversion.
9. Tally the number of points scored for each of the two categories. 3 points per FG, 7 points per TD. There’s no reason to deduct for a missed PAT. The run-pass ratio obviously has no bearing on that.
10. Divide the number of points in both categories by it’s respective “drive times seven” number. This will give you a success rate, i.e., points out of possible points.

If you do this for every game, the higher percentage will lie with balanced without fail.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

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-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

By that definition, every 3 and out drive is unbalanced

If you run twice and pass once (or vice versa), and then punt, by your definition of being outside the 40 – 60% range, the drive was unbalanced. If you honestly believe that this is a valid way of calculating anything then you need to be wearing a helmet.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 15, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course it’s a valid way of calculating it. If passing or running 67% of the time was inherently effective, the drive would be longer than three plays. It’s obviously not, if you’re punting. If you happen to score on the first or third play, then that unbalance would be getting credit for the TD or FG, would it not? If you think credit should exist without demerit, then you need to be wearing a helmet.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m saying it is impossible to measure balance to the standard you want when the sample size forces one outcome.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The outcome is failure. Any three and out is failure, unless you want to credit TOP. Where’s the point of contention?

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Conversely, not every three play drive is a failure. Not every one play drive is a failure. The opportunity for success is there either way. It’s obviously more difficult to score on so few plays, but not terribly more so than it is to score on a two or four play drive, both of which can end within 60-40. Both can end in failure, also. It’s give and take on sample sizes that small.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

By that definition, every 3 and out drive is unbalanced

How would YOU define a 3 and out drive? Balanced? Successful?

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, just for clarity here, are you saying that if a 3 and out drive consists of 2 passes and 1 run, that the drive failed because it wasn’t balanced enough?

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 15, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I’m not. I’m saying it was unbalanced and it failed. Both facts. Your conclusion as to whether drives are successful or not based on (because of) such unbalance ON THE WHOLE should be derived from the success rate of ALL drives that fall outside of a 59.9999999-40.0000001 split either way.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

If you want to exclude them, exclude them. Just make sure you exclude all one and three play scoring drives, as well.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Facepalm.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

statistics 101

If you cannot apply causation at the micro level, you probably shouldn’t be applying it at a macro level.

You understand that you can’t apply balance as causation for a 3 play drive, but don’t seem to grasp what that means for your theory as a whole. (here’s a hint: it means you’re full of BS)

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Nov 16, 2011 5:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Causation doesn’t need to be applied. It’s the natural relation between cause and effect.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

If it’s any consolation, you should have no trouble meeting a bigger idiot that me. Just place a personal ad on Craigslist: ISO anyone who thinks causation can be applied. That or glance in a mirror.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Let me help you with this. Troll:

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,2 extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response3 or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.4
Can’t apply this to coldpizza because he lives here and he’s making a serious point. Repeatedly. Until we all capitulate. He’s a stubborn s*** but he is not a troll.

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by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Until we all capitulate?

Pretty much until we die, God love him.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 16, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

So which major point was he trying to make when bashing Jon Banks?

I forget.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2011 2:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Which major point was Jon Banks making when he threatened to stab CP?

See how this works? You’re trying to stick up for something you view as a friend…that’s fine. But those of us who have been here from the beginning have seen where the fault lies on both sides.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Nov 17, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

au contraire

Technically, any offensive series is at least four plays without a turnover or expiration in time. The opportunity for within 60/40 balance IS there. Teams simply elect to forego the 4th play in lieu of better field position on their subsequent drive.

Statistics 102: voluntary action should never rule out general application.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

73.8% pass heavy would definitely qualify one of the biggest factors in the game had we lost. As such, it should still rank as one of the top areas in which we need to improve. And “winning” TOP means virtually nothing in and of itself, as I’ve said countless times. 30:01-29:59 is “winning” TOP. Practically irrelevant. It depends on how much you win it by. The time in OT being even more critical, as you’re guaranteed a half win, if your opponent fails to score.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

All I took out of this is:
TOP. Practically irrelevant.

Agreed.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 1:18 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You bet. Nine more rushing attempts over the course of the game by the Saints wouldn’t have altered the outcome of the game whatsoever, in terms of the amount of time Atlanta was given to work with on their final drive. Those 115 seconds were fate. A gift from the Peregrine gods above. Matt Bryant can make a FG from his own 20, if need be. Field position on FGs doesn’t matter. Hell, field position in general doesn’t matter. That’s why teams decline every penalty committed by their opponent. Time of possession, schmime of possession. Great convincing win by the Saints as is. I wish they all came down to the sudden death. It’s invigorating.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

What matters in a football game:

Points scored – points conceded > 0

Nothing else.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Team A trails by 9 points. They are afforded one total second TOP in order to overcome that deficit. No more, no less.

Team B trails by 9 points. They are afforded seventeen total seconds TOP in order to overcome that deficit. No more, no less.

Both teams throw Hail Mary TD on the ensuing play from scrimmage. Both teams covert their untimed two point conversions. Only one team still has an opportunity to win the game. What team might that be? What is the lone factor that contributes to that difference?

I’ll give you a hint: it isn’t points scored.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

What matters in a football game:
Points scored – points conceded > 0

Nothing else.

Proof that the above statement is false.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200811160cin.htm

In the game referenced above:
Points scored (13) less points conceded (13) is NOT >0.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2008/

In the final regular season standings above, a 9 win Eagles team does NOT qualify for a wild card berth without the aforementioned tie (read: half win).

Instead, they lose out on a tiebreaker to Chicago, who beat them in this head-to-head matchup:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200809280chi.htm

Further, Donovan McNabb admitted after the game that he was unaware that overtime games could end in ties. This lack of knowledge certainly didn’t contribute to a sense of urgency on his part in the extra period of play. In that sense, one could easily assert that TOP (and not scoring) — albeit unintentional — mattered greatly in hindsight.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Further, every NFL coach possesses a chart on when to attempt 2 pt conversions. These charts are broken down by time remaining in the game. The suggested courses of action are derived from the average duration of drives and are updated every season based on the latest information collected.

If nothing but scoring mattered, there would be no need for such a column. They’d simply go for two whenever it a successful attempt would pull them within 3 or 8 points.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

-it

As usual, you’re oversimplifying what matters.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Saints lost TOP 36:32 to 30:03.

Too bad the Falcons didn't control the clock even more so.

Surely that would have led to an even more convincing Saints victory.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:02 AM CST reply actions  

Will you be my girlfriend?

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-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

mebbe

How many fingers tight are you?

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought attacking teenagers on the internet because he's a jealous, middle-aged basement troll was the only thing that got him off?

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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 6:49 AM CST up reply actions  

OMFG TEARS! TEEEEEARS!

MOAR FUNNAY GRAFFIX PLSTHX

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Scott Shanle had the game changing interception.

“The sun even shines on a dog’s a** some days.” -Wesley Snipes, White Men Can’t Jump

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:10 AM CST reply actions  

"This prison food sure tastes bad."

-Wesley Snipes in prison

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

"Today was a good day"

-Ice Cube, (Insert song title here)

Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.

-Catch 22-

by Jordann on Nov 14, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

"Maaaaaaaaaatt Daaaamonnnnnn"

- Matt Damon.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 2:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Re: the Mike Smith call

I don’t necessarily disagree with it, either. I would gone about it a little differently, though. I would have attempted to draw the Saints offsides, called a time out if that didn’t work, THEN come back and either run a less predictable play or faked a punt. The OT period was already half over. What are you saving your time out for in that situation? Use it to your advantage.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:22 AM CST reply actions  

THIS MAN IS A GENIUS!!!

Someone give him a clipboard and a headset, I think he’s ready to take this team to another Super Bowl!
Or to Arby’s. Maybe both! Can you imagine it? A Super Bowl win, then a trip to Arby’s?!?!?!

PURE GENIUS!!!!!!!!

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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Flagged. Why are you here?

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by stujo4 on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to bad an idea...
A Super Bowl win, then a trip to Arby’s?

I’ll take another SB for the Saints. Who doesn’t like Roast Beef (other than those shifty vegetarians or vegans).

Curly fries? My first choice in fries.

I like Hamburgers!

by Grumps on Nov 14, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I've said it before...

…they’d eat us if they could.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 14, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Arbys sucks

Be different if they still used real roast beef instead of that pressed roll crap they serve now. Tastes more like potted meat now-a-days.

R.I.P. Andy Rooney

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

You will get your Arby's and your Super Bowl with coldpizza as Head Coach and you will like it, mister!

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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You appear to be more obsessed with me than Jon Banks.
Slow your roll, P. Daddy. There’s enough pizza to go around.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

(Shudders)

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 15, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Arby's?

You must be a fan of their Horsey sauce. Made from washed up Colts, if I’m not mistaken.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps jacked up Colts?

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 14, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Made from washed up Colts, if I’m not mistaken.

I’m sure everyone will defer to your experience in all things washed up.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 2:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would they have to? Have there not been enough nationally televised Colts games this season? Oh wait, I forgot. You’re from a third world country. Televisions are electronic picture boxes, somewhat similar to the computer monitor you’re looking at now. They broadcast football games on them sometimes. It’s common for teams everyone thought were going to be competitive going into the season to be included in those broadcasts. Sometimes expectations don’t pan out, due to washed up players and those teams lose their first 9 games of the season. Glad I could share some of this insight with you, little fellow.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:17 AM CST up reply actions  

little fellow.

I thought she was one of kat’s friends.

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by stujo4 on Nov 15, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The Horsey sauce

is actually the only good thing still going for Arby’s.

R.I.P. Andy Rooney

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

banks.. good read.. but you shouldn't second guess your prior statements..

any day you can piss-off pizza, is a good day..
lemme assist your recap.. but pointing out the saints game-plan obviously was based on heavy-passing.. although a few runs were mixed in there, and even with a couple of good delays by pierre.. the run game looked to be relegated to a non-factor.. at least a non-positive one..
it was when we attempted to run on 1st down that we got stoned & set ourselves back on schedule for a conversion.. a couple of key drops.. & a curious persistance with a naked pass to the flat.. contributed to our less than saintly 3rd down conversion..
there was a curious call, in the 1st half.. after a couple of successful runs.. sitting at 2nd 9, inside the 20 we have a 3rd straight run that loses yards & sets up a failed 3rd down pass..
it seemed that a play-action on 2nd & 1, taking a shot at the end-zone.. would have been the better selection..

by the 9th plague on Nov 14, 2011 6:40 AM CST reply actions  

we have a 3rd straight run that loses yards & sets up a failed 3rd down pass..

There weren’t three straight runs that lost yards. There were only three all game. What game were you watching?

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:55 AM CST up reply actions  

yes, there was..

pierre on 1st down gained 11.. run again: gain of 9.. run again loss of 4.. setting up a failed pass on 3rd.. & a later missed field-goal..

by the 9th plague on Nov 14, 2011 7:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And perhaps

An unexpected run would have got that 1st down, instead of that pass everybody knew was coming.

R.I.P. Andy Rooney

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 14, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

That’s not three straight runs that lost yards. That one run that lost yardage, following two successful runs.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

you miss-interpret..

“there was a 3rd straight run that loses yards..” (only one, out of the 3 lost yards).. it doesn’t read clearly.. concession.. (but minor)

by the 9th plague on Nov 14, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

So, let me get this straight. Two runs that net 5 yards is a problem, but one pass that fails to net 5 isn’t? The league average for carries is somewhere around 3.9. The league average for a passing attempt is somewhere around 8.6. What aspect of the offense is failing to pull their weight the most here?

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I do agree with you that they probably should have passed in that situation. It would have been the less predictable approach. What I don’t agree with is your faulting the failed drive on the running game. It was the lack of balance that did them in.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m really not an advocate of three of the same play (run or pass) being run consecutively, unless the clock is a looming factor. I know that’s easier said that avoided. Still, I’d probably come back with a 2-1 split the other way on the next three snaps. For the sake of interest, here’s a breakdown of the 12 drives from yesterday:

1. P5, R2 – FG
2. P2, R1 – punt
3. P5, R1 – punt
4. P3, R0 – TD
5. P3, R0 – punt
6. P2, R4 – FG
7. P6, R1 – TD
8. P4, R1 – FG
9. P6, R1 – FG
10. P5, R2 – punt
11. P2, R1 – punt
12. P1, R2 – FG

It should be noted that they managed to score FGs on both drives that were run heavy. They also managed to score a TD on one of the two drives that featured no runs at all. In truth, those two are pretty much a wash. Two drives either way. 6 and 7 points respectfully. There’s not much to look at in terms of a range, as only half of the drives extend beyond 5 plays, which isn’t a good thing, when you’re only talking about 26 points scored. That said, the success of drives in general still gravitates towards a 50/50 split, just as it does on any given week.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

In truth, those two are pretty much a wash. Two drives either way. 6 and 7 points respectfully.

Actually, the two FG drives could be of slightly greater value, as the TOP difference between 6 running plays and 6 passing plays may have conceivably prevented an additional Atlanta possession (read: scoring opportunity) in regulation. Hence, the inherent value of TOP. Of course, we needed that tangible PAT to extend the game as it is, so no telling.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, no

A FG drive is worth a field-goal. And a missed field-goal drive is worth 0.

Why? Because points win games, not time of possession.

Pretty sure that’s in the rule book somewhere…

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Because points win games, not time of possession.

Points don’t win games on their own, you big silly. Atlanta had 23 of them and lost. Had they been afforded more TOP in regulation, they could have possibly added to that cumulative total and won. I know this is all new to you. Should I type slower?

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty sure she’s a girl.

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by stujo4 on Nov 15, 2011 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure what it is. Don’t rightly care.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Because girls are stupid!

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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Now that’s a troll. Flagged.

Got in a little trouble at the county seat
Lord, they put me in the jail house for loafing on the street

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

TROLL TWINS!

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

No.

Because you’re still a sad little troll who is banging his sad little broken drum ad nauseum until people are sick enough of it to just leave.

If you were a TV series, you would’ve had your plug pulled already. Sadly you’re just a troll with internet access, without the decency to pull your own plug or find a real instrument to play.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2011 2:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Win.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 2:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Told ya.

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by stujo4 on Nov 15, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

the run game looked to be relegated to a non-factor.. at least a non-positive one

The passing game was actually more of a non-positive factor, in terms of percentages. 16 of 45 passing plays went for 0 yards or less. 5 of 16 rushing plays went for 0 yards or less. Do the math.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 6:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Btw, any time you relegate either aspect of the offense, it’s going to be a non-positive factor. That’s why you shouldn’t be relegating them.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

after a couple of successful runs.. sitting at 2nd 9, inside the 20 we have a 3rd straight run that loses yards & sets up a failed 3rd down pass..

Please, allow me to dissect this BS. After a couple of successful runs, they were sitting at 2nd and 9? Based on this information alone, one must assume that the first down play on this series of downs was a one yard pass. Otherwise, you’re referring to a one yard run as a “successful” run, which is simply ludicrous. The biggest set back on a running play all game was 4 yards. If they failed to converted the first, this means that both the first and third down PASS plays COMBINED on this series netted 13 yards at best. You’re absolutely right. The stuff certainly contributed to the failed drive. But so did the 6.5 or less YPA by Brees.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

after a couple of successful runs.. sitting at 2nd 9, inside the 20 we have a 3rd straight run that loses yards & sets up a failed 3rd down pass..
it seemed that a play-action on 2nd & 1, taking a shot at the end-zone.. would have been the better selection..

How did they magically gain 8 yards within the context of your recap, btw? Are you sharing Jon’s JD & Bacardi?

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

last time..

i’ve already gave you the sequence..
1st run.. 11 yards (1st down)
2nd run.. 9 yards (2nd & 1)
3rd run.. stuffed for a 4 yard loss (3rd & 5)
4th play of the sequence: incomplete pass..
5th play: missed field goal..
i’m sure they’ll replay it on NFLnet.. this week..

by the 9th plague on Nov 14, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

And “sitting at 2nd 9” means what, exactly? You should consider taking up English as a second language.

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by coldpizza on Nov 14, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah, casual racism, how I missed thee

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 3:36 AM CST up reply actions  

LMFAO

English is a race?

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

Troll King

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by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

TROLL TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE!

FORM OF AN ORNERY GELDING

FORM OF A BULIMIC NUTSAC

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

English = Anglish = Anglo-Saxon = Angles, Saxons and Jutes out of North-Western Germany and Denmark.

Thanks for playing.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

CONT'D LMFAO
You should consider taking up English as a second language.

Ah yes. The term “language” always refers to a heritage. Even interpreted as such, I’m communicating in the language myself. Under what definition of “racism” could that possibly be categorized? There is no second (outlying) race at hand.

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by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The term "language" always refers to a heritage

To destroy a language is to destroy an entire people’s way of expressing (and even experiencing) the outside world.

So yes. A people can be defined by their tongue, and vice versa.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 17, 2011 2:34 AM CST up reply actions  

i expressed it correctly later on the post..

as you noticed, the 2nd 9 part was a common mind process error (i’m sure there is a name for it) where you are thinking “gained 9 yards – the difference is 1 yard..” but inexplicably you type 2nd & 9..
language had little to do..
just like statistical balance nor TOP have any correlation with the flow of a PARTICULAR game.. our inept coach seems to understand that.. the plague does too..
why can’t pizza..?

by the 9th plague on Nov 15, 2011 6:32 AM CST up reply actions  

language had little to do..

Language had lot to do in this case. Good talk, Borat.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you mean to say “Language had lots to do in this case” or “Language had a lot to do in this case”? If you’re going to call somebody out on their writing, you’d better proofread your own typing.

by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Sarcastic imitation.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes…just trying to do my part…

by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

easy.. pizza don't get all uptight, on the plague.. was that your idea of a dismissive pseudo-insult..? comparing the mighty plague with some alien, imaginary, obscure, farce character..?

i took the liberty of pasting 3 times, what really mattered about my last post.. (figure maybe by repetition, you’ll get to the core, eventually.. instead of going up through the branches, as you tend to do..)

disregard that i candidly conceded on a mental lapse.. that apparently had you very worried, with several follow-ups.. (too boring to read in their entirety..)

just like statistical balance nor TOP have any correlation with the flow of a PARTICULAR game.. our inept coach seems to understand that.. the plague does too..
why can’t pizza..?

just like statistical balance nor TOP have any correlation with the flow of a PARTICULAR game.. our inept coach seems to understand that.. the plague does too..
why can’t pizza..?

just like statistical balance nor TOP have any correlation with the flow of a PARTICULAR game.. our inept coach seems to understand that.. the plague does too..
why can’t pizza..?

by the 9th plague on Nov 15, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

just like both statistical balance and TOP have a direct correlation with the flow of a PARTICULAR game.. pizza seems to understand that..
why can’t our inept coach and the plague..?

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I fully recognize your shortcomings. Remain positive, my friend. There’s always hope for enlightment.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

comparing the mighty plague with some alien, imaginary, obscure, farce character..?

Ah, yes. I seem to have forgotten that the titular character in film just 5 years old, one that grossed $260M at the box office, should be considered “obscure”. Please, have another wine cooler.

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by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That movie was awesome

In a really, really disgusting way. That wasn’t your traditional fight scene near the end.

But it does remind me a little of this string.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 15, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

the character was quite obscure..

as such i meant it..
no.. the film became successful, WELL KNOWN.. not what i was referring to.. YOU brought up the association with the film.. totally escaping the context of what YOU meant yourself.. YOU called me borat.. & you were not thinking about the film.. but the character..
let’s call up merriam-webster:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obscure
there..
one-track mind.. one slice of pizza.. i begin to understand..
your follow-ups are often like that.. branching out in the pizza direction (obviously the only one that matters, in your mind)

“Ah, yes. I seem to have forgotten that the titular character in a film just 5 years old, ..”
i just noticed you miswrote that sentence i quoted above.. you missed (obviously cause you are illiterate or have barely 1st grade level english) the article – a -.. quite subtle.. in the same ballpark as “2nd 9” that we have discussed (in length)..
i barely noticed it at first, because unlike you, i wasn’t looking for a minor typo or omission to discredit you.. but since you have brought the game to that level.. obviously.. not enough to call you cheech or genghis khan..
obrigado..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18zU79e2m8

by the 9th plague on Nov 16, 2011 6:41 AM CST up reply actions  

comparing the mighty plague with some alien, imaginary, obscure, farce character..?
the character was quite obscure..

“Comparing” is a present tense verb. “Was” is a past tense verb.
You’re already off the mark.

YOU called me borat.. & you were not thinking about the film.. but the character..

NOW you’re catching on! I compared you to Borat in the present tense. Whether or not he was obscure before the movie became successful is completely irrelevant. He is certainly not an obscure character at present, based on the movie’s success. The source of his popularity was never in question. Simply your assertion that he IS (present tense) an obscure character. Erroneous, laughable and outright moronic. But I do understand why you would think that way.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Btw, even if he WAS an obscure character, I do believe it would be a fitting comparison, considering that so very few outside of this thread know who you are.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

the perception of the character is immobile.. permanent.. never changes..

in the context of YOUR original remark:

“..Language had lot to do in this case. Good talk, Borat.”

borat is a very strange foreign individual who speaks in broken english (that was YOUR intent perhaps visuallizing me as sounding like him):
i pasted webster’s thoughts & he thinks obscure does mean: “not readily understood” and also “not known” besides the obvious “dark” & the occasional “tenebrous”
you were stuck on the “not pop..” i meant it another way..
did you get to see youtube the link i sent you..?

by the 9th plague on Nov 16, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a lot of back to back posts

I think he likes his name to show up on the web a lot.

by ckycracker on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think there's some sort of term for that...

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Your mother and I are proud.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 14, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, seriously.

CP is handing you your a$$ right and left, without actually taking you seriously at any point. Withdraw with some semblance of pride…

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 14, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Pssshhh...

I’m a Colts fan. I don’t have any pride left.

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Judging by Stampede Blue,

you’ve got a point.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 14, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't know.

I wrote off that toilet a looooong time ago. I’m sure it’s going something like this though, “BURN TEH POLIANZ! THE FRONT OFFICE IS BUNCH MORANS!!! SIGN BRETT FARVER AND MAKE A PLAYOFF RUN! RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES MAKE LOUD NOISES! OPEN THE POD BAY DOORS, HAL!!!”

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 14, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade them all for Tebow!

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I forgot that one.

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

At least you’ll get your next franchise QB in the draft…

by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 15, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

It was all a ploy by teh evil Polians!!!!

NEW UGLY GOAT QB FTW!!!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you'll find that PUD's taking himself even less seriously than coldpizza is.

He’s bored.

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by Comedic.Sans on Nov 15, 2011 2:56 AM CST up reply actions  

THIS STATEMENT IS FALSE!!

I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY!!!! YOU CAN TELL BY THE CAPITAL LETTERS AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 6:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Just a tip

Maybe change your profile pic to this when you are being serious. We would be able to tell much easier.

I like Hamburgers!

by Grumps on Nov 15, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan

by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 15, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Jesus Christ. This is why I barely post here outside of gameday threads.

trapped in grammar and calendars.

by Jay Preece on Nov 15, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

seriously, game day threads?
I’ ll take this clot baiting any time over the bi-polar* loons that turn up on game day.

*should probably say schizophrenic but not sure about the spelling.

That could`ve been me,a useless gnome* fishing
for turds in a birthing pool.

by saint_chew on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Have to rec this.

Got in a little trouble at the county seat
Lord, they put me in the jail house for loafing on the street

by stujo4 on Nov 15, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, gameday threads can be marred by FIRE GREGG CUT BREES I HATE MYSELF, but more often than not they at least progress without personal insults and there’s some small sense of camaraderie remaining.

trapped in grammar and calendars.

by Jay Preece on Nov 15, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

you forgot

FUMBLE! OUR BALL! OUR BALL! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS! NOW PASS PASS PASS AND WE’RE RIGHT BACK IN THIS THING!

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Which may accurately apply to one game per season in hindsight.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

THROW IT DEEP.

trapped in grammar and calendars.

by Jay Preece on Nov 15, 2011 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

MOAR TIME OF POSSESSION! THAT WINZ GAMEZ111!!!

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Contributing Writer at PatsPulpit

by Comedic.Sans on Nov 16, 2011 1:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Hysterical, outside of the fact that I’ve never participated in a game thread. :D

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

See what you're missing?

Repeat? Run it!

by FrenchFreak on Nov 16, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention, anyone typing that would be on point far more often than once per season.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Can someone please explain to me why nobody can spell the word “more”?

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

That meme should hit Montana in 2012 or so.

Got in a little trouble at the county seat
Lord, they put me in the jail house for loafing on the street

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

K….what’s a meme?….a more gender specific form of memo?

Is our civilization seriously letting four year old children dictate our language use?

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

LMGTFY

meme - Noun:
1. An element of a culture or behavior that may be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, esp. imitation.
2. An image, video, etc. that is passed electronically from one Internet user to another.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 16, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

2. An image, video, etc. that is passed electronically from one Internet user to another.

By this definition, everything on YouTube qualifies as a meme. So do all our profile pics. I suggest that you burn that online dictionary of yours.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Talk to the peeps at Webster… I didn’t write it.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 16, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Last I looked, an image or video that is passed electronically from one internet user to another….is called an image or a video.

Additionally, an element of culture or behavior that may be passed from one individual to another by non-genetic means…is generally referred to as a piece of history or historical data.

No need for people to create new words when others already exist to express those thoughts and ideas quite clearly.

Here’s something for all those computer programmers out there. An ! is not called a “bang”. It is called a damn exclamation point.

Note this is not a beef with you by any means Dan…thanks for the info. The beef is with the ridiculousness of the info.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

meme rogers – Noun:
1. Tom Cruise’s first celebrity beard.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 16, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

2 : a pervasive thought or thought pattern that replicates itself via cultural means;

e. g., “GAAA!!!” and “TUSK!!!” Oh there I go with my big head again.

Got in a little trouble at the county seat
Lord, they put me in the jail house for loafing on the street

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate “meme” and I’m probably not using it correctly (not an uncommon error, I think). I was just showing off,

trying to impress FriarBob with my intellectual prowess.

Got in a little trouble at the county seat
Lord, they put me in the jail house for loafing on the street

by stujo4 on Nov 16, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Fun…went through two bags of popcorn reading this stuff. I’d treat you to some skyline there CP…but payday isn’t until Thursday.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

I ordered take-out and invited over a couple of friends….we’ve been making prop bets on this sh**.

(I’ll go in for half whenever you’re ready to treat CP)

snowboard kat: "Don't keep me in suspense. What is it, big brother?"
cscmember: "You're related to almost everyone on SBN. Dog is the biggest slut in the history of mankind. There, I said it."

~Moral of the story: Beware of Dog - Because He Might Be Your Dad~

by BewareofDog on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

By passing the ball a helluva lot more than running the ball this game

and by losing the TOP battle, we won this game and are now a game and a half lead in the division. Imagine that.

by tommy v on Nov 15, 2011 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

By passing the ball a helluva lot more than running the ball this game and by losing the TOP battle, we won this game

LOL great post, tommy. Don’t forget Kasay’s missed FG. That was a contributing factor to this victory, also.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure hope Payton’s paying attention and instructs Kasay to shank a few more. We sure wouldn’t want to lose a game on a successful conversion.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, what do you mean missing a FG is bad?
IT OCCURRED IN A WIN. THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE BENEFICIAL.

Imagine that.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Nov 15, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 15, 2011 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

Cue Maximus!

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!!!

Or was that Biggus Dickus? Memory fails.

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 15, 2011 8:13 PM CST reply actions  

your sigline quote...

Galaxy Quest?

WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!

by Hans Petersen on Nov 16, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Nov 16, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

“Look, I’ve got one job on this site, its stupid, but I’m going to do it!”

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by Doc Boudin on Nov 16, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

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