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Crybaby Loser Talk

Now something's wrong
Where the Sherwood used to be

by stujo4 on Nov 2, 2011 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

that's my thought, too

I bet the Saints DL-men do it as well

WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!

by Hans Petersen on Nov 3, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought holding on defense was only a penalty against receivers beyond 5 yards.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 2, 2011 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

holding is different than illegal contact

You can’t grab onto a receiver no matter where he is. If he is more than 5 downfield, if you read the rule, you can’t even touch him.

"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." -Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M.

by theprogrammerman on Nov 3, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm...

there HAS to be some other difference though, between offensive holding and defensive hold – particularly for lineman.

I’m gonna look it up. BRB

by Dan Kelly on Nov 3, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to this… (NOTE 4 at the bottom)

There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

It doesn’t say anything about defensive holding against a lineman.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 3, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

From http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/useofhands

A defensive player may not tackle or hold an opponent other than a runner. Otherwise, he may use his hands, arms, or body only:

(a) To defend or protect himself against an obstructing opponent.

Exception: An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent ONLY to a point five yards beyond the line of scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap clearly demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball. Within this five-yard zone, a defensive player may chuck an eligible player in front of him. A defensive player is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone until a point when the receiver is even with the defender. The defensive player cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an eligible receiver in a manner that restricts movement as the play develops. Beyond this five-yard limitation, a defender may use his hands or arms ONLY to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver. In such reaction, the defender may not contact a receiver who attempts to take a path to evade him.

(b) To push or pull opponent out of the way on line of scrimmage.

© In actual attempt to get at or tackle runner.

(d) To push or pull opponent out of the way in a legal attempt to recover a loose ball.

(e) During a legal block on an opponent who is not an eligible pass receiver.

(f) When legally blocking an eligible pass receiver above the waist

"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." -Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M.

by theprogrammerman on Nov 3, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

So it IS legal….

He may use his hands, arms, or body only:

(b) To push or pull opponent out of the way on line of scrimmage.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 3, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the question is

Is it legal to prevent them from getting off of the line of scrimmage to get to a different assignment.

"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." -Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M.

by theprogrammerman on Nov 3, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

ic ic… so, holding “away from the ball”… not in an attempt to make a tackle.

sounds like something that needs to be addressed.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 3, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

look at the link & see the jersey pull..

10-12 feet past the numbers, as nicks was trying to get to the next block on the screen.. that has to be called even if it is basically parallel to the LOS..
the play happens at about 2:55..

http://www.nfl.com/videos/st-louis-rams/09000d5d823c7a5c/Playbook-Rams-vs-Cardinals

by the 9th plague on Nov 5, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure it's legit, definitely on that PT screen

Chamberlain (LB) was there in a flash, I was thinking…. Rams knew that was coming, after further review, if you ain’t cheatin , you ain’t trying. Doesn’t explain Chris Long’s career day.

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi

by metryman on Nov 2, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I've noticed quite a few no calls by the officials this year.

Call me a cry baby, but I’m starting to smell a Conspiracy.

INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012

by cajuncommando58 on Nov 3, 2011 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Crybaby loser talk.

The game was lost.

Get over it.

Win.

Trying to open a can of beer with a corkscrew only scratches the surface.

by Just 'Nother Day on Nov 3, 2011 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

^^^THAT^^^

Trying to open a can of beer with a corkscrew only scratches the surface.

by Just 'Nother Day on Nov 3, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh God yes!

I don’t want to be even remotely compared to some of those idiots!!!!

Trying to open a can of beer with a corkscrew only scratches the surface.

by Just 'Nother Day on Nov 4, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

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