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Hello Saints fans. My name's Will, and I'm the unofficial representative of BBV and Giants fans of the interwebz. Any questions, please feel free to ask them so me and other dudes from BBV can try and answer them.
Normally I have something to say about the last game or some witty quip but I'm too dejected and mad from the last game. So enjoy some random stats I found that have no bearing on the game on Monday.
The Giants are 14-11 vs the Saints, all time. Currently the Saints have a two came winning streak, stretching back to 2006. The Giants are 4-7 as the away team vs the Saints and 3-7 in Louisiana.
Drew Brees is 3-0 against the Giants (2-0 with the Saints, 1-0 with the Chargers), and has never scored less than 30 points vs the G-men.
Eli Manning is 1-2 vs the Saints.
Sean Payton is 2-0 vs the Giants as a head coach.
Tom Coughlin is 2-3 vs the Saints as a head coach (1-1 with the Jaguars, 1-2 with the Giants)
Hopefully the game will be worth the wait, and free of injuries
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Hey hey hey...
Here are a few that I was mulling over:
1.) Heard quite a few rumors of Steve Smith heading back to the Giants after his one year deal with the Eagles is over. Personally I don’t see that happening as you seem to have very good depth at WR and Smith really hasn’t shown anything as of yet.
2.) Rushing game. Must be maddening for you to watch. Bradshaw banged up, Jacobs talking the talk but not showing up on the field. What is your opinion? Cut/trade and restart after this season or are you happy with your backfield?
3.) The Manning face. Ever get tired of it?
4.) Do you think Coughlin has lost the team? Heard a few fans rallying around that idea lately. Thoughts?
I like Hamburgers!
1) I have his jersey (which ironically enough I got before the 09 Saints/Giants game so I’m biased and wouldn’t mind having him back.
However, I don’t think there’s a place for him anymore. He’s not explosive, while Cruz is. It’s possible we may loose Manningham to free agency next year, so then maybe there’d be room, but it’s more likely Barden will just have to step up.
2) You don’t know the half of it. There’s been some debate, but I think most of us believe Jacobs is running hard, just that the O-line is making absolutely no holes. Bradshaw had problems running behind the line too so that’s what I think the biggest problem is. I like Jacobs in theory, the bruising back who runs people over, but how much does he really do that is the question. Also, he can have big cases of stone hands, which doesn’t fit our more pass dominant offense.
3) I’ve never understood the fixation with it. Every quarterback looks funny when they’re mad after making a mistake.
4) Absolutely not. If you watch the locker room after the Patriots game this year, to say that Coughlin’s lost the team is ridiculous. (linky to that here)
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Number 4 is more of a recent issue
As in what I can only assume is irrational reaction after your last game and some of his comments.
I like Hamburgers!
Yup
When ever the team wins Players X/Y/Z and Coach M are awesome and have great leadership skills
When the same team loses, the same players are blamed
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Coughlin has been on and off
the Hot Seat so many times as the Giants HC his hemorrhoids have hemorrhoids.
Seriously though, it was real after the 2006 season. He went into 2007 with the mandate from ownership that he needed to soften his authoritarian style some as well as he had to fire the OC at the time, John Hufnagel. Giants ownership gave him a one year deal to prove he was still the man for the job and he, and the team, responded.
All the other times he has “lost the team” or been on the hot seat has been a media creation. And that’s why we see these polls that players always vote TC the least likely coach they would want to play for. because that is what the media tells them.
But if the teams fades down the stretch again this year, or worse they collapse, than TC is most likely gone. He is currently working on that one year contract extension, just like in 2007.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
that’s why we see these polls that players always vote TC the least likely coach they would want to play for.
Also, he’s kind of a hard ass old man who doesn’t like Nicki Minaj.
He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
LOL
Yeah he is an old curmudgeon. But you should hear him talk about his players when they do an interview. he sounds like a Grandfather that loves the hell out of his boys.
has the energy of someone in their 40’s as well.
BTW, I love your coach. Smart offensive mind, great motivator, made a great hire at DC. Former Giant. Anything to dispute?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Our coach resembles Lee Harvey Oswald. And his wife and kids live in Dallas. Beyond that, I have no complaints.
He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
They live in Dallas, I remember that now.
I guess they didn’t want to uproot them after his move to NO? That must be a real short plane ride.
How is his leg?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Besides that time in 07
Coughlin hasn’t actually been on Management’s hotseat.
The Mara’s can be loyal to a fault
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
IMO Jacobs looks clumsy. He was not real clumsy in the past even though he didn't have Barry Sanders-type
of agility by any means. But, now he seems clumsy- like he gets bumped and loses his balance and is on his way down in a much easier manner than a guy his size should be,
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
I worked with a guy in St. Gabriel, LA
that said he helped coach Jacobs in high school. He said that they had to put him in “special” classes in order to keep his grades up so that he could stay on the football team. The only reason I’m bringing this up is because I really don’t care for Jacobs because of some things he has said about the Saints.
When hell is full.....the dead will walk the earth.
by AcquiredPanic on Nov 22, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
half of the NFL probably belonged in special classes
soo….nothing to see here.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
i believe he said "same old saints" before the game
right before we handed out a savage beating and later won the super bowl… there are a lot of LA and NOLA nfl players that dont play for the saints, but i dont remember any of them being that disrespectful.
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 23, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
He said that?
Very douchey, IMO.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
I see that too
He does fall down from initial contact more often then he used to
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
the weakest part of his massive frame
is his lower legs. that’s why he gets taken down alot by his ankles.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
lol
no bourbon street for those guys
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
I wish
It has the potential to possibly be, but a combination of injuries and bad coaching strategy has negated that. Seriously, we’ve had 4 or 5 corners put on the IR this year alone, not including the 9 weeks Prince has missed. Ross has played admirably, but it’s seriously hampered the initial strategies.
In other key places, we’ve become healthier though like the D-line. Tuck probably won’t be 100% this season, but Osi and JPP are.
Someone else will probably rant on the defensive strategy, but we’ve made scrub qbs look awesome and Tom Brady look like a scrub quarterback.
And we do way too many 3 man rushes with JPP playing nose tackle. It started off as a good idea in spots, but now it’s become way too over used.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Thoughts on Herzlich?
Felt the Saints should have drafted him over Bussey. Noticed he got some playing time last week.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
He played well on Sunday
Better than I expected. Was good in the run game, poor to average in the pass. It was also the first game he had any snaps in the defense.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
I freely admit this and our next game are the two that worry me most. Your defensive front is intense, and as anyone around here can tell you….our tackles are a bit on the bad side. I’m expecting a lot of 3 step drops and use of our backs and TEs to hopefully expose your rookie linebackers. I have a feeling all it will take to figure out who won the game….is to look at the sack/QB hit stat the next day.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
after what we saw Sunday
i’m not sure we could get past XFL tackles right now. Tuck is playing hurt, and thus ineffective, JPP is not getting as much pressure as before, maybe because he’s sharing snaps with Osi, and maybe because he lines up at DT on 3rd and longs, and just generally the last 2 weeks have been bad for our line. add to that that Brees is deadly with 3 step drops, slants and whatnot, and i’m anticipating a long Monday night for us.
lets just hope Boley plays…the less rooks against your QB, the better.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
JPP is being forced to play DT or NT more
that’s a big reason for his recent ineffectiveness.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
The Dline is awesome.
Can you, or anyone else, give me a quick scouting report of your Oline?
I always ask the opponents fans this question because this is where I believe a team wins or loses the game. When a teams Oline sucks, things are REALLY bad. The only time things are worse is when your QB sucks, IMO.
And you may like to know that your boys will be facing the worse Giants offense line since 2004. We are not good there. At all.
BTW, to your point about looking at the QB sack/hit stat to see who the winner will be: Sacks is the second best statistical predictor of who wins the game. 75% of the time the team that gets more sacks wins the game.
I bet you can figure out which stat predicts a win 83% of the time.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
points scored?
just kidding – turnovers, I bet
our o-line is ok
We have beasts at the guard position (Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks), a decent center (Brian de la Puente) who’s in his first real extended playing time situation in the league, and suspect tackles (Jermon Bushrod and Zach Strief) who have played well at times. I’m hoping they all put it together for this game, but there’s a chance they will stink up the joint – consistency’s not been a strength of theirs.
They have given up 19 sacks this season, which is way too many for my liking, but not terrible in the league rankings. At times they have been absolutely terrible at run blocking.
I’m sure others will chime in as well to correct or add to my assessment…
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
thanks.
And you are right, the almighty turnover predicts who won the game 83% of the time. Right after points scored, of course. :-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
by tommy d. on Nov 23, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what I like about the NY Giants
Not much except:
> The current uniforms are classic, I like them a lot.
>Tom Coughlin’s method of correcting fumbling problems (Tiki Barber). Excellent, none better.
>The good Eli Manning. Thank you so very much for the 2007 season Super Bowl. I for one do not believe it was luck, I think it was guts and dedication that won that game.
Bad luck to you Monday night.
I hope she's happy, old Clapper too.
I love the uniforms
but the 1980’s one with GIANTS on the helmet was my favorite
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
HA
its nice
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 23, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I love em too
some of the older guys like the 80s ones better… which I don’t see. The new (actually really old) ones are better to my eyes
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
I love our road white uni's
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Hey, tommy. We have our own (lowercase t) tommy over here. Hmmm….
Me too.

He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
HA!
I’m told by a NOLA native the Eli has been called “the worst Manning of them all.”
He may be, but he also may end up with more SB wins than his big bro. :-)
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
I like Eli a lot. He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know.
He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
But I want to see him frown a lot on Monday night.
He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
Of course.
There’s an outside shot I’ll be there Monday night. I got a place to stay and two game tix waiting for me if I like but the logistics of it are looking tough. Not to mention I don’t need to be spending any more money than I already am this time of year.
I’m still entertaining the thought though…
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Eli currently has 70 career wins under his belt, including the post season.
Archie finished his career with 35 wins, including the post season.
Archie played in 17 more games.
I personally don’t like any of the Mannings. That said, I don’t care how bad the Saints teams of the 1970s were. There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Archie was a better professional QB than Eli, outside of pure homerism.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
That's comparing Apples to Oranges.
It’s amazing Archie had 35 wins, considering the supporting cast around him. Of course I’m a self-admitted Homer.
R.I.P. Andy Rooney
by cajuncommando58 on Dec 2, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen all three play.
Daddy had a better arm than either of the kids, but took longer to develop some “touch.” He took a horrible pounding during his years with the Saints, and the arm injury finally did him in.
I also got to see him play against Alabama and Arkansas for a just slightly deficient Ole Miss team, and he was lights out in those games.
It is extremely difficult to compare players across generations, or even worse across different teams. But the old man definitely had some cred.
Please, Louise. He was mediocre at best as a pro QB. I witnessed the vast majority of his career. Bobby Douglass, Bobby Scott and Archie’s supporting cast managed to win 4 games without him in 1976. Archie failed to match or exceed that staggering total in 10 other seasons as a pro.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Wow. I thought you'd like him better. 5.7 YPC
Someone must have liked him to send him to the Pro Bowl. Not that the Pro Bowl is any great shakes, but certainly better than mediocre.
And my dusty old memories of the Saints in that era are that the Saints really did suck that bad up and down the roster.
the Saints really did suck that bad up and down the roster.
Generally speaking, I agree with you. Manning was very much a part of that roster, though. Based on his statistics, one could easily make the argument that he weighed down the team just as much as the team weighed him down. That his most successful years were only successful because of the talent on offense around him. Chuck Muncie went to two Pro Bowls without Archie Manning. Wes Chandler went to three without him. Manning didn’t go to any without those two.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
And I witnessed all his career...
Opposing teams D used to help Archie off the turf and apologize for having to have to knock him down. It’s amazing his career was as long as it was, and a testament to his toughness. He only had one receiver you could say was decent during most of his career with the Saints. Since you are such a fan of stats, top five receiver with TDs for Archie:
Henry Childs – 20
Wes Chandler – 13
Ike Harris – 12
Danny Abramowicz – 10
Dave Parks – 8
R.I.P. Andy Rooney
by cajuncommando58 on Dec 2, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
That may be the best statement I've ever heard to explain why I'm
not shy about shouting, “Archie1!!!!”!!!!
Opposing teams D used to help Archie off the turf and apologize for having to have to knock him down.
Whodat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You didn’t witness that his entire career. How would you know what opposing players were saying to him? The only reason you know this is because Jack Youngblood stated that he personally apologized to Manning numerous times throughout their careers as NFC West rivals. Youngblood entered the league in 1971, the same year Manning did. He also played against him in the SEC for four seasons at Florida. This is the source of his respect for Manning; as a collegiate legend. That would be like Rolando McClain apologizing to Tim Tebow today. Or Haloti Ngata apologizing to Reggie Bush, if those two happened to play in the same division in the pros. It’s more sympathy for a familiar opponent and possible friend, than it a testament to greatness at the next level.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
for the love of Betty and Veronica and Pops's burgers!!!
Reggie and Moose!!!
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Dec 5, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
sounds like they're saying Moose, but they're really saying
Reggie andMooseDueeeeeeeeeeeeeece!!!
FIFY.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
how injured is Michael Boley? If he plays he could be a key to the game.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
Hammy...so you know how those go
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
1. Can you teach our FO/coaching staff how to select a quality pass rusher in the draft? We kinda need help there and y’all seem to do a good job with it.
2. How do y’all do in pass coverage against RBs and TEs?
3. Do you think Cruz will become consistent or is he going to be in the running for the lead league in dropped passes?
4. How good does it feel to see the “dream team” fail (still can’t believe y’all played so flat against them Sunday night)?
by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 22, 2011 3:20 PM CST reply actions
1 - Giant front office loves drafting DE's
2 – Not too well. Covering the TE and the pass catching RBs has been a problem for years. Rookie LB Jacquian Williams has been decent doing it. If Boley is a no go Monday, that will not help. And safety Deon Grant is very up and down in coverage (mostly down). Graham and Sproles could have huge games.
3 – Cruz is in his first full year playing, he will make his share of mistakes. At the moment he is on pace to finish with 1,280 yards and 10 TDs. He has the potential to be a consistent treat but right now is having his “rookie” moments.
4 – I always love when the winner of the “Offseason Super Bowl” falls on their faces when the games are actually played (Cowboys, Redskins, etc) and I have hated the Eagles the most since my college days. Sucks the Giants looked like crap against them on Sunday night.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
yeah Cruz is having an excellent season
his drops are overstated, i’d say his end of year drop numbers will be avg., if just not below.
he’s on pace to shatter the guy he replaced(steve smith) best year….and he’s a helluva salsa dancer. so we love ’em.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
I think it is just that the drops he has are catches you really expect him to make because of all of the big plays he makes. He is definitely talented…I’d love to have him on our roster.
by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 23, 2011 6:46 AM CST up reply actions
yeah he does drop the ones right to him
y’all are pretty deep at receiver still tho right? if Cruz was on your squad, where would he fall on the depth chart you think?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
If Cruz was in our lineup, our depth chart at WR would probably look like this:
Colston
Cruz
Moore
Meachem
Henderson
Arrington
Roby
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
is moore still above meachem on the depth?
i haven’t seen his name called too much on highlights…figured he was injured. Meachem is balling out for you this year right? do you think your receivers are a product of Brees being so good, or do you think they’d be this good regardless of who was slinging that thing?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Moore is our slot receiver, so he’s basically stuck at number 3. I feel like Cruz would bump Meachem down the depth chart, which would then slot him at 4.
I think it’s a bit of both. We’ve seen Brees fit balls into tight spots(TWSS), but we’ve also seen our receivers make grabs off errant throws, and turn those into big gains. I think overall, it’s just a great system, and with Drew basically being a coach on the field within it, everyone usually clicks
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
gotcha
btw, Graham is the truth! made you forget about Shockey quick, huh?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Shockey was great while he was here,
but Graham has been something special. How has Jake Ballard been? Missing Kevin Boss at all?
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
yeah i love Shockey
one of the last in NY who does.
Outside of last week, Ballard’s been great for us. not a physical specimen like Graham, but lumber’s into open spots down field and catches whatever’s thrown his way(USUALLY) but he’s outperformed Boss up to this point of the season. and Bosses role here was so exaggerated by the media its not funny. he caught 35-45 balls a year, and blocked decent. he was no Shockey in his prime, and injuries are gonna shorten his career dramatically. in Oakland, he’s already been injured twice and is now a backup i believe.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Cruz plays the slot for us, so I dunno bout the depth chart thing, but you would know better than me.
And I have always had the belief that Drew, like Eli, makes WR’s better. And that starts in the classroom and on the practice field.
BTW, Graham looks like the best TE in the league. I saw a Saints game in the preseason and I was Like WHOA, that boy is gonna tear it up! Especially with a QB like Drew,
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
believe it or not we'll try to run the ball
regardless of how effective or ineffective we are running, we never fully go away from it, unless we are down many scores. so expect to see plenty of jacobs(or hopefully some bradshaw as well) and some of our super speedy rook, Da’rel Scott. look for long pass plays of 20+ yards. Eli’s been a down the field passer alot this season, and he’s got the weapons to do it.
on D, i’d expect alot of short zones to cover the 3 step drop stuff that Brees is so good doing. hopefully our DC Fewell will dial up some more blitzes, but knowing him….prolly not. look for alot of nickel D, even in base settings, especially if Boley’s hurt. you’ll see our backup safety deon grant lined up alot at LB, along with (i’m assuming) Herzlich and Kiwi.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
believe me
against us, your run D may get healthy.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Sad but true...
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Usually is vs the Eagles too
But it wasn’t
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
How do you think your defense handles Sproles
Atlanta completely stopped Sproles they sold out everything to cover him but that left our TE Graham either wide open or 1 on 1 most the game which is a mis-match Sean Payton will except and exploit all game long
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 22, 2011 6:24 PM CST reply actions
don't know
on straight runs i’d just expect 7 man fronts, but if he goes out on routes, i’m thinking maybe our backup safety Grant(who’ll line up at LB alot) will cover him, along with Rolle. Maybe they’ll put in our rookie will backer Jaquain Williams in there at times to deal with him – he’s fast as hell. not Sproles fast, but fast enough to pursue and tackle Mike Vick fast.
Wassup in the Sip? what part do you stay at?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
everything is good here its in the 70's i live in vancleave about 25 miles north of biloxi
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 23, 2011 5:06 AM CST up reply actions
ahh ok i spent a few years in Jackson back in the day
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
I don't know if this is the most irreverent bunch on SBN but it's gotta be close, at least...
Whodat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for coming over to do this, Will
Don’t forget to rec this up, folks!!
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yeah will's our boy when it comes to this
he’s very even keeled and diplomatic, so i’ve crowned him our unofficial diplomat to the other SBN communities. a guy like me could do it, but i might fly off the handle if the wrong thing is said about my team. thus, will’s the man…
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
How does that go with Blogging the Boys and Bleedign Green Nation? Just curious how y’all are received there. We actually have a healthy and fun rivalry with the Falcons blog.
by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 23, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
actually i think Will forgoes this ask a giant fan segment there
since we pretty much know alot about each other’s teams already. you’ll see 1-4 Eagles or cowboys fans on the blog at any point during the day. so it’s a moot point there.
we have a better rivalry with BGN than BtB, since our rivalry is more intense, there’s more interaction b/t us. sometimes it’s fun, sometimes it gets real.
and Hogs Haven doesn’t count….seriously, they bring little to nothing to our rivalries.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
The Big Boy Cometh....Team Jacobs
Marines say Oorah; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Well for BGN
Us and them have a very passive aggressive relationship. People come over and go there so often I don’t see the point of it, especially with the NFC East off topic thread.
I did go over for the Redskins but they have very few people.
I probably will go over for the first Cowboys game and depending on the reception I may do it again for the last game.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Most of us have been banned from BGN they have problem with us when we beat them earlier this year. Oh well no lost. Nothing to say to stink eagles fan honestly other than what my middle finger can do.
Sign language LOL
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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That is cool that
you guys have a good relationship with the Falcons fans. I know they are the biggest rivalry in the division, but what about the other teams?
For me, I get along with about 50% of the BGN fans I converse with, the other 50% are just about complete knuckleheads. And I mean they can be real homer douche bags with no room for another perspective.
Most BTB fans are cool. I think they have one of the best sites on SB Nation. Lots of great writing and content from the blogs writers.
Hogs Haven is quiet. Not much going on there from the writers or the fans. The week leading up to the Giants game, the first game of the season no less, there was not one Giants vs. Redskins story until the middle of the day the Friday before the game! Pathetic if you ask me.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
but what about the other teams?
Hate the Panters. (sic) Can’t stand the Bucs.
He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
Do you ever chat with their fans on their sites?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Oh sure. They LOVE coming over here, it’s like a vacation to them. This is a pretty cool place to hang out. We’ve got a hookah lounge.
He's got a house in the country, and a big sports car.
Of course you do.
And a VooDoo Lounge as well?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
As long as nothing goes poking in the rear,
I’ll just deal with it in the mornin’
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
VooDoo Lounge! What a great name for a hookah lounge.
Now if we can just find an 18-year-old to run it (JK, Stu).
It's also an album by the Stones.
I’m not a huge Stones fan, but I believe that is an album title by them.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Haha
Thanks for the kind words. It’s easier when I can filter my thoughts before I press ‘post’ haha.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
No problem
My favorite part of SBN is talking with other knowledgeable fans from across the country and world.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
What kind of leadership does Manning provide the team?
Is he a big “rah-rah” rally the troops guy, or more of a lead by example without saying much, “big speech-wise”?
How does he respond when things don’t go well during games?
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lead by example type
He’s not the kind of guy that does a “stomp you out speech”. He goes out there and plays and in press conferences says all the right things.
And yes, when things go bad in a game… you see the ‘face’. But he seems to have a short memory when he makes mistakes. He’s at his best when the team needs to score late in the game, 2 minute drills, etc.
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 23, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Manning face is much better than what we in New Orleans call...

Aaron Brooks face. This is how he looks after throwing a pcik six.
by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 23, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Ha
Team TAWD:
The entire 53 man roster of the 2011 New York Giants
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 23, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that picture actually shows a "post-pick 6" scenario
I think he actually just ran it in for a TD to beat the Rams…
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, now I’m confused … is it Daniel KELLY or Daniel CARVER?
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
that's out of left field
Not sure why that makes me a racist.
He had the same stupid smile whether he did something good or something bad. It has nothing to do with race.
Too bad he wasn’t a ginger that spoke with a drawl and threw interceptions 60% more frequently. Then he’d be revered to this day.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
If being white and goofy were the keys to being revered, then.......
Ryan Leaf = HOF.
AM was “revered” for a couple of reasons. First, he was the first real home-grown football hero the Saints had—up until then it was Kilmer (and I think Cuozo), who were seen as afterthoughts from other teams. Unlike Kilmer, he had the ability to scramble, and make the occasional great play that could win a game. And he had a cannon for an arm. Let’s face it, Kilmer couldn’t overthrow a Linebacker by the time he came to the Saints.
Lead by example by far
He has recently been showing emotion more often when things go wrong, but I like the way he does it.
He’s unflappable, and his lack of fear is embodied with the rest of the team who take from his lead.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
unflappable
I’d want that in a quarterback
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
The best description I've heard of him
actually came from the Eagle’s site blogger.
When he has pressure in his face, he can throw bad passes and make mistakes. But in pressure situations, he can forget all the mistakes he made before and deliver when the game’s on the line.
Paraphrasing of course
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
That's the last word in a quarterback
when they get under pressure, they settle down.
Whodat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
like he did in the Super Bowl...
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
How does he respond when things don’t go well during games?
Manning face.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
in regards to the Eagles hatred
I share that also – but at least you can take heart that your defeat of the Eagles earlier in the year (especially being in Phila) had much to do with their spiral downwards and (eventual) playoff elimination. The timing of that game heavily contributed to their 6 losses on record so far. It was the source of way more misery in Phila than the Giants loss caused in NY.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
True, and it was special
because the Giants had lost 6 in a row leading up to that game so we needed to get off the snide with those boys.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Any of you NOLA boys
ever go to Tracy’s on Magazine Street? My old Navy buddy owns that place.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
yep
great place to watch a game…. ive watched a bunch of lsu games there.
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 24, 2011 6:23 AM CST up reply actions
Cool. Ask for Jeff (the owner) and tell him you know tommy d. from NY
Also, have a roast beef po boy. One of the best in the city. Jeff and his po boys have been featured on the Food Network a few times. Great place, great food.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
hey, tommy and will and whoever else is from the Giants site
has anyone from CSC set up a Q&A over there yet?
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ok then
I’ll just have to join the BBV and get one set up, then – unless you want to do it Grumps, ole pal!!
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
thanks, Grumps - you rock!!
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Nope, and we need one!
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
I just joined your merry site, and can have a Q&A up tomorrow after 4:53 pm
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Cool. See you there.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
see above
Grumps already set it up!!
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 23, 2011 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
Jets & Mets or Giants & Yankees fan, still pretty solid?
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
I'm a Giants/Devils/Mets fan
in that order of priority for me.
I used to root for both the Mets and Yankees but I decided I had to pick one and I chose the side that would associate me with less dumb asses. (Not saying all are idiots, but the bandwagon fans are. And the amount of band wagon met fans are…. nonexistant).
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
Giants in a league of their own.
Then Yanks, Knicks, Rangers.
You an LSU fan?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
LS PHEW
No some of us are from MS. but I must say it will be nice to see an all SEC championship game this year
The SEC have been blowing out the other teams in the national championship games for something like 6-7 years now it will be nice to see a close game
Now if only MS.STATE could make it there
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 25, 2011 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
I hope we make a game of it especially on Monday Night in front of million of football fans that already doubt our team every year.
I am a yankees/giants fan.
Once again our O line will make or break us this week.
Us Saint fans are hoping for a repeat of the 09 gm
teams still have their core personnel, here’s to a clean injury free contest. Giants are the class of the NFC East.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
Yes injury free game for both sides
As for NFC East, it seems you have dealt with the arrogant Cowboys and scum Eagles fans.
New York Football Giants Zindabad!
Let's Go Giants!
Stinking Rotten Drunk Green Birds
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
Chad Jones, Safety, 3rd round pick by the Giants in 2010 and former LSU champ in both football and baseball,
will be on the sideline with his Giants teammates for the first time this Monday night in Thunderdome.
His recovery from the horrific leg injury suffered in a car accident in June of 2010 is already miraculous, and it is now realistic that he will play football, probably next season, for the New York Football Giants.
This will not be the first time the Giants have supported a player through a catostrophic injury. Richie Suebert, drafted in 2001, won the RG job and played there all of 2002. In Oct of 2003 he had his leg virtually shattered, breaking his tibia, fibula, and ankle. Not until 2005 did he see the field again and only as a sub for injured players.
He earned the starting LG spot for 2007 and played there until breaking his kneecap in the final game of the 2010 season. He was released by the Giants this offseason.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
unlucky injury history
but lucky to have played as long as he did!!
That takes some gumption!!
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 24, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and actually, he was undrafted.
the story is how the Giants stuck with him for 2 years, paying him, and gave him a chance when he came back. Same thing is happening right now with Chad.
NJ.com has a good article from yesterday on where Chad is now with his rehab.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
I still laugh at the Eli press conference when he only had one reporter there.
Do Giants fans still laugh at him?
naw, I think they like him
but for some, I’m sure, he’s only as good as the last pass he threw…
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 25, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Accurate assessment HD
Too many fans, IMO, are ready to jump all over the negative with Eli. I suspect many of them are young and are not able to view the current Coughlin / Eli era through the prism of history.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
I think Eli will get his due when he retires
just like Phil Simms. It’s rather unfortunate that fans don’t appreciate greatness until it’s gone. He will be missed when he’s gone that I can promise you.
FIRE Perry Fewell
That video
was actually stopped before everyone came.
But no the intelligent non pseudojet fans don’t.
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
It was after the Miracle at the Meadowlands 2
and eventually that room was filled but the video conveniently leaves that out. I will admit though, it is pretty funny watching him look around confused lol.
FIRE Perry Fewell
is your BBV member "wangstu13"
the secret lovechild of CSC members Grandmaster Wang and Stujo4?
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No.
I think the 13 in his name stands for all of HIS lovechilds.
Maybe Grandmaster Wang and Stujo4 are lovechilds of his?
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 30 NO 27
Congrats dudes
Usually I say hopefully we’ll meet again in the playoffs but… Not feeling hopeful about that.
Good luck going on
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
-Raptor 22
thanks, Will
good luck to y’all, too. Hope you get it together and smack around the rest of your division foes – that title and a playoff spot is still to be had…
And thanks for coming over here and striking up such a good conversation with us last week. I appreciate that very much.
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 29, 2011 5:54 AM CST up reply actions
Please wop up on GB for us as well as yourselves next week
Then of course trash the Cow girls as well, and then this game will fade from memory.
And thanks for the Congrats as well. I will say your fans have been excellent visitors, and we have had some really bad ones before. Sorry I didn’t get my waiting period done in time to comment at your site. With the holidays I didn’t get on-line as much as usual. Good Luck going forward!
R.I.P. Andy Rooney
by cajuncommando58 on Nov 29, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions

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