New Orleans Saints Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades
Based on how well the Saints offense performed Monday night, the defense and special teams could have completely mailed in this game and it still would have turned into a win. At times, the defense did mail in their performance.
Before the game, Jonathan Vilma said the key would be to stop the run, making the Giants one-dimensional so they focus on getting good pressure on Eli Manning. The team was successful at controlling the line of scrimmage, but they got almost no pressure. What resulted was a boatload of passing yardage yielded, though much of it came in garbage time in the 4th quarter.
Again, the bottom line is it didn't really matter how the defense (and special teams) performed in this one because the offense put up 49 points and the team was never going to lose this game.
Will Smith: B+ (2.74) He applied consistent effort even though he seemed to pull up lame at one point. I pray to God it isn't a hernia issue he's going to have to deal with AGAIN. He had 5 tackles, helped tremendously against the run, and registered the game's lone sack and also forced a fumble on the play. He was flagged for roughing the passer in the most ridiculous manner I've arguably ever seen. Apparently shoving a QB as he releases the ball with two hands it's "roughing". Ridiculous. Also, once again, he was blatantly held numerous times with no flags to show for it.Cameron Jordan: C- (2.36) Per usual his run support was decent and his pass rushing was non-existent. Long term I think he's going to have an Alex Brown type career. Not that that's a bad thing, I'm just not sure this guy will ever live up to his first round draft pick status. He's just not explosive enough for an end. He had no tackles.
Junior Galette: C- (2.08) He had one quarterback knock down and some garbage time pressures. For a "pass rushing specialist", he's been all too neutralized lately on 3rd and longs.
Jeff Charleston: D+ (2.13) He was flagged for defensive holding on a screen pass that was a fairly easy call to make. That was his lone contribution and he was otherwise shut down.
Sedrick Ellis: C- (2.12) He played less early as the Saints rolled out a 3-4 fairly frequently. In a more limited role than usual he notched just one tackle. A quiet day at the office.
Aubrayo Franklin: B- (2.18) The one negative was a Brandon Jacobs run where he was able to break through Franklin's arm tackle and get a nice gain. Other than that, he controlled the line of scrimmage well and set up his linebackers to make plays. The Giants tried to get physical and Franklin did a good job pushing the pile. He had one tackle.
Shaun Rogers: C- (2.09) He had one QB knock down and he had a limited role as well. I'm starting to wonder if he's dropped to fourth in the defensive tackle rotation. What a disappointment he's been overall.
Tom Johnson: B- (2.53) He had two tackle including one for a loss and a quarterback knock down. There was nothing too notable but he was one of the more active lineman in limited reps.
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: A- (2.87) He was fantastic in run support and the few times he dropped in coverage, obviously not his strong suit, he was still able to put big remember me hits on people. He led the team with 11 tackles and he did a great job running sideline to sideline. His physical ability in the trenches was awesome. Most impressive was a tackle where he completely stood up Brandon Jacobs at the line of scrimmage and forced a fumble. Dunbar is the defender with the highest GPA after this game.
Jonathan Casillas: B- (2.58) He had a very quiet 5 tackles but wasn't a factor blitzing at all. He was pulled in passing situations to avoid his woeful coverage ability.
Scott Shanle: C (2.33) He had just 3 tackles and was out of the play for way too much of the game. If Casillas was quiet, Shanle was not present. No major mistakes, though.
Will Herring: A- (2.17) He only had one tackle and that interception, but that play was so huge and his GPA was so dismal I decided to give him a nice boost. After all this waiting he's finally done something productive this season. The reception he made reminded me of Eric Reid of LSU's catch against Alabama. Maybe not quite as dramatic but the degree of difficulty making that catch was similar, and it saved a touchdown.
Ramon Humber: B+ (2.56) He played often early in the 3-4 formation and after the interior did a good job of forcing Jacobs to bounce outside, Humber tackled well to force the play to go nowhere. He had an impressive 4 tackles including one for a loss.
Tracy Porter: C- (2.46) It was a terrible game coverage wise for Porter. Way too often he left entirely too much cushion to his man, and he tackled poorly once the play was in front of him. Anytime there's contact with him he yields a good 2-3 yards extra. He also dropped an interception, yet again, that he clearly should have had. On the bright side, he did have 10 tackles though most of that was due to the inordinate numbers of passes targeted at him, a pass defended, and a huge forced fumble that killed the game. So it was a mixed bag. He was also flagged for an incredibly stupid unnecessary roughness for riding Hakeem Nicks to the ground after he had clearly been out of bounds for what felt like an eternity. I could have given him a worse grade but mixed with all of his poor play was a few good moments.
Patrick Robinson: D+ (2.53) Like Porter, his coverage was atrocious. This reminded me of the Patrick Robinson we saw in the Packers game. Then, with the game well in hand, he stares in the backfield on a play action and allows Victor Cruz to run all alone behind him for an easy 72 yard touchdown. That was a classic Jason David moment for Robinson, who's head clearly wasn't in the game. He had 7 tackles and was flagged for being offsides on an extra point. Not much good to report.
Jabari Greer: B- (2.73) By far the best Saints' corner on the night, Greer did a good job getting physical and breaking up passes. He finished with 5 tackles and 2 defended passes. He definitely struggled with Victor Cruz at times but overall it was a decent showing. He also stopped Steve Weatherford's pathetic fake punt run attempt.
Leigh Torrence: B (2.67) He had just two tackles and didn't play much until later in the game when the Saints went in prevent mode, but I gave his grade a boost for the shot he gave to Hakeem Nicks' ribs. A nice little remember me shot there.
Roman Harper: C (2.27) Like Porter, it was a mixed bag for Harper. His coverage was once again poor, and in particular on a wounded duck by Eli Manning he showed poor awareness in allowing a nice gain to tight end Jake Ballard. He was the man who came up with the fumble recovery, though, and that was an important turnover to officially kill the game. He had four tackles and was flagged for unnecessary roughness, which I found justified. After a pass sailed long he got a gratuitous cheap shot in there that was completely unnecessary.
Malcolm Jenkins: B- (2.30) He had 8 tackles, some big hits, and a nice pass breakup that was close to being an interception. He played fine but some plays got behind him.
John Kasay: B (3.09) He went 7 for 7 on extra points and watched aimlessly as the Saints failed to convert on a fake field goal. No one should ever fake a field goal with 11 yards to go. Ever.
Thomas Morstead: B (3.46) His kickoffs weren't as good as normal. On his punts, he was again fantastic and somehow his net average was better than his gross. How is that possible? Well, on two punts the Giants returned them for -1 yards. Both punts pinned the Giants inside their own 20 and per usual it set up field position very well.
Courtney Roby: D (2.67) His lone contribution was a really stupid taunting penalty. How he got one but Brandon Jacobs didn't is astonishing. I can't even imagine what Roby must have said. He's got to use more restraint than that, though.
Isa Abdul-Quddus: A- (2.67) He had two tackles on special teams, one which saved a touchdown on a kickoff, and the other which was fantastic coverage on a punt and resulted in a one yard loss... AND he also forced a fumble on that play. Too bad the Saints couldn't recover it. In fact, the Saints only recovered one of the Giants' four fumbles. Abdul-Quddus also BLEW UP Hakeem Nicks on a pass and I docked his grade just a bit for getting a 15 yard penalty. I'm not sure what he's supposed to do there, though. He didn't lead with the helmet, he didn't launch himself, and he hit a guy catching a pass. I'm not sure if the referees made a correct application of the rules there. I know you have to refrain from lighting up a "defenseless receiver", but again, he didn't launch or lead with the helmet. So what? He has to allow him to catch the ball, come down, and then try to wrestle him to the ground? To me the application there is just poor common sense. What a great hit though, one of the most monstrous of the season.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Jo-Lonn Dunbar
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Isa Abdul-Quddus
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Would have voted for Will Smith
if he was an option. He was all over the field and showed good motor throughout the game.
same here
I went his Dunbar instead. Seems like he’s one of the only guys on this team that knows how to tackle.
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I said the same thing. I would have voted Will Smith. If you could just see how many times Will Smith is held and it isn’t called you would be amazed. There was one play where Cam Jordan was held and actually spun around in front of the ref and it wasn’t called. I swear it’s like the refs let it go because they know how explosive our offense is and they want to give the opposition a chance.
Went with Herring
Because he actually caught an interception and it wasnt an easy catch. I find it funny that he can catch that ball but our DB’s can’t catch one even when they bounce right to them. Maybe the DB’s need to start working with him during practice.
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Dunbar gets my vote
for the physicality he brought to the game. He looked like a Baltimore Raven had suited up for the Saints defense. Humber was also impressive.
Malcolm Jenkins shares a lot of the blame with Robinson for the blown coverage on Hakeem Nicks…There is no excuse for a free safety letting the deep middle of the field become wide open with a big lead late in the game.
Saints have no DLs other than Smith capable of mounting a pass rush.
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Jenkins also bit BADLY on the long TD pass
I have seen absolutely nothing that would make me believe the guy has All-Pro capabilities, above the shoulders at least. Very disappointing considering he played pretty well last season. Clearly he’s taken a few steps back.
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What's up Robinson
You know, when Robinson was placed as a starter, I was happy. Having been a first-rounder in 2010 draft, I thought this kid could be really good at the “highest level” (thanks Bobby). He was noticeably good, with an interception against Jacksonville and the highlight reel first play against Carolina. Lately, though, I see he has fallen into the Jason David trap of cushion, heck, in this game against the Giants, many times it was more like a pillow, a huge down filled pillow of sometimes ten yards or more. It is as if Jason David was sitting on his shoulder telling him, “They’re gonna blow past you kid.”
Robinson is good, really good. I have seen him in practice and he’s got instinct…he knows the game. This game told me something, namely, that the defense loses their agression and edginess, their explosiveness and drive, when the offense is humming. It worked for the Giants, but their aint to way in H.E. double toothpicks that it will work against the Packers, heck I don’t even think it will work against the 49ers who will probably be playing us in the payoffs.
Just my thoughts,
Drewbdo (from the land of the Chardonnay sipping 49ers)
I would think he's playing where GW tells him to play
I dont like the 10-15 yard cushion either but I dont put that on the DB’s I think its all GW
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 2, 2011 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
Herring as well
He wasn’t great overall but I think the interception and the timing of it was huge. It looked like Offenses were going to take turns dragging opposing D’s up and down the field. Keeping points off the board (INT was in the end-zone) and putting Brees back on the field where the Offense had both feet on the gas set the tone in my opinion.
I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure
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Question
Last I checked, P-Rob was number 34. When I was watching the game, however, he was wearing 21. Now, every depth chart I look at as him as number 21, but every jersey site I go to(except nfl.com) has him as number 34. Anyone else notice that?
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I think he wore 34 in 2010
somebody else wore 21 last year
Jason Craft?
Fred Thomas?
Mike Bell had it in 2009
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by Hans Petersen on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
looked it up, and you are right on, right on!!
thanks for the info
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by Hans Petersen on Dec 1, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions
I think I read somewhere that he would have taken 21 originally, but it wasn't available when he was choosing his jersey #
21 was his Free Shoes University number…
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by Hans Petersen on Dec 1, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
I went with Harper
He was all over the field
He did get run over on jacobs tackle but I think everyother DB we had would have also been run over in that situation
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM CST reply actions
I don't know- we totally blasted this team
and between Porter and P Rob they had 17 tackles. 17 TACKLES!! Do you have any idea how hard 17 tackles – 17 tackles in the NFL vs a first place team- is ? 17 freakin tackles? and between them their average grade is a D?
We trounced this team. We destroyed them. This first place team. Yardage and TOP and stats other than the score are irrelevant. There was never a doubt who would win. The defense gave up yards – big deal. They did what they needed to do. We dominated. In NY they are saying what the hell hit us? And are they saying that our defensive backs played at a D level? No, no,no. They are saying how did we get dominated so badly? How did our passing game
( they knew their running game sucked) how did our passing game get so stifled? How come we couldn’t keep up? Did they have D defensive grades for their secondary? I will not read another one of these bogus posts anymore.
You have lost all credibility. We blew them out- a laugher- one of the Giants worst losses in history and they were in first place. And you give the defensive backs a D rating? Give me a freakin break.
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In all fairness to Mr. Juge:
There was one D+ to PR, a C- to Porter, all other DB’s in the C or higher range. ELIte did complete 21 passes in a row in the second half, and passed for over 400-yards overall, so I don’t think you can call this “stifled.”
But you are right about this being a very comfortable victory.
Did you even watch the game?
They got torched man. From the get-go when the game was still close. Cry me a river, this was an excellent grading.
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they gave up 3 points in the first half
how is that getting torched when the game was close. Stats are so misleading in blowout games.
maybe you didn’t watch the game
by touchdown my pants on Dec 1, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
Except
Apart from a circus interception from Will Herring we came very close to starting the game in a 7 point deficit. Our defense did nothing to stop them on that first drive. Someone else posted this elsewhere, but without that INT in the endzone this game could have gone very differently. The defense was not terrible, but there were still enough gaffes for me to have concern about our playoff readiness.
So you're going to play the games of "IFs"?
circus INTS and plays happen ALL the time and change the outcome of games. Herring made a terrific play. you can’t take that away from the defense. at the end of the day 3 points in the first half and a ton of garbage yards and points in the 2nd half will work for me any day of the week
by touchdown my pants on Dec 1, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
No, I’m pointing out that while the defense played well enough, it was not without mistakes nor was it a dominating performance in any way. We blew coverage a few times, one of which led to an interception, we were penalized far too much and even though some of those were debatable, it needs to be cleaned up. There is no value in glossing over areas that need improvement simply because we won the game handily.
Isa Abdul-Quddus's mistake was...
helmet to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver.
Note that I did not say illegal helmet to helmet contact. Because it actually wasn’t. That was a pure bullcrap call. He did lead with the helmet but he initiated contact into the upper arm in the vicinity of (but clearly below) the shoulder of the receiver. The rules state that you cannot initiate contact to the “head or neck area” with helmet, arm, or even shoulders. But he didn’t do that. Even the shoulder is not truly “neck area”, much less the upper arm. Now there was helmet to helmet contact, but that came AFTER the initial contact to the arm/shoulder. Unfortunately, the refs decided to expand the disallowed strike zone by at least half a foot and flag him for what was clearly not actually a foul.
Are they supposed to let them catch the ball, Bob?
(I’m asking cause you’re the rules guy. I’m not being sarcastic.)
I saw the ‘hit’ again last night, and he barely touched him, and it was after the receiver had the ball in his hands.
I’d rather take a penalty than give up the TD (because that’s what would have happened if he didn’t hit him), but I’d like to know what he should be doing to play his position effectively.
Thanks for the analysis Bob.....
I thought the same thing when I saw it. It looked like a BS call to me. But a buddy of mine said that the hit on Jimmy Graham that was flagged was the same….in other words he said it was a legal hit. What do you think?
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by Ragin Who Dat on Dec 1, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
My problem with comparing the two hits is that Graham was already being engaged by a defender. It looked like Graham might break the tackle, but at the time it reminded me of the schoolyard play where one guy holds up the guy with the ball so his buddy can come in and lay a hit on him. Quddus was the only defender to touch the receiver on his play. I don’t think this makes a difference as far as the rules go, but it’s the difference I see.
I was thinking that both hits were similar, and that they were being consistent since they flagged them both
but wasn’t Graham’s hit more of a forceful forearms to the head blow?
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by Hans Petersen on Dec 1, 2011 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm about to say something that will probably get me crucified here but
I like Jo-lonn Dunbar better at MLB then Vilma
Maybe we should move Vilma outside in Shanle’s spot to solve our OLB problem
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 2, 2011 6:44 AM CST reply actions
And I know he cant just jump in there
I’m thinking through training camp next year he gets inserted there and becomes the starter
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 2, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions

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