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WILL A FOUR HEADED MONSTER WORK?


We truly have four very good running backs that can all contribute substantially to this team.  But are we at our strongest using all 4 in a particular game?  Should all 4 be active?


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 I would think it's undeniable that Darren Sproles has to be active and get touches every game he is healthy which hopefully will be every game. He's explosive, does things no other back on the team does, and surprisingly he can run between the tackles, although I wouldn't make a steady diet of it. Additonally, he will always be in the lineup because he returns kicks.

It's hard to say who would be the second priority as a running back, but I am partial to PT because he can do it all. He is an excellent runner between the tackles, great pass catcher, his screen pass performances are a thing of beauty, and he hardly ever loses yardage. He has one fumble this year, but his track record on that is pretty good. He has the most history with Brees and he is a trustworthy blocker adept at picking up blitzes.

Mark Ingram looks to be the future of the franchise as far as running the ball. He runs hard, he looks to be improving quickly and picking up the pro game well, and although he doesn't have a lot of pass receptions, it would seem that aspect of the game will be an asset as time goes by.  His average rush is the lowest but only by a fraction. He will be a Saint and a productive Saint for many years.

Chris Ivory is just getting back in the groove, and although he isn't known for his pass receiving, he has an attribute none of the other backs has. He is a bruiser and runs over people with reckless abandon. His style and ability can embarrass linebackers and safeties and can incite a crowd. His career average (small sample) is 5 yards per carry, which is tied with Sproles for the best average. He is our largest back but may have a tendency to fumble although he may have corrected that.

So, why not go with all 4? It's just my opinion, but I think it's hard enough for a RB who shares the carries with 2 other RBs ( and maybe a FB occasionally) to get any rhythm and get in a groove; it's even harder when sharing the ball with 3 other RBs.  Additionally, teams can gear up for the tendencies that each of the 4 RBs have because either Payton will call the plays that the particular RB is comfortable and productive with or he will be asking that RB to do something that dosen't really suit him optimally.  

Although I know a lot of Who Dats will disagree, I think the carries should be shared between Sproles. PT, and Ivory, at least for the next few games and see how it shakes out. Ivory has been a beast and I really want to see if he is as good as I think he is. I thought PRob was going to be excellent when everyone doubted him. I see something in Ivory that I like. He also is the only RB that, with a good, healthy 2011 performance, could be trade bait. However, I think this will be PTs last year as a Saint as much as I like him so this should not be an issue next year.

For the record, I like Ingram a real lot. He is the future. From my perspective, I think the only options are:

1) divide touches 4 ways

2) Inactivate Ivory or give him a very minimal role

3) Inactivate Ingram or give him a very minimal role.

My perference is the third option, at least for a few games and then re-evaluate.  Overall, it's a lot better to have this dilemma as opposed to last year's dilemma.

Poll
Four Headed Monster or Three Headed Monster?
a) Four Headed Monster
39 votes
b) Three Headed- Sproles, PT, Ivory
10 votes
c) Three Sproles, PT, Ingram
9 votes
d) Three - other
2 votes
e) triple burger or quadruple burger - either way it's all good
7 votes

67 votes | Poll has closed

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I agree this may be PT's last year

I really thought he would be traded last year. We aren’t gonna trade Ingram or Sproles. I think Ivory has too much potential and it would be hard to trade him anyways due to his injury history. PT has the most trade value and would easily be the starter on any team with running back problems. Getting a draft pick or two for an UDFA gives great value to any potential trade.

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by AcquiredPanic on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

I think Ivory has too much potential and it would be hard to trade him anyways due to his injury history.

It’s also difficult to trade someone who’s not under contract. Ivory’s potential will be realized on the injured reserve of a UFL team.

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by coldpizza on Nov 11, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

someone who’s not under contract

I don’t get it. Rotoworld.com:

Chris Ivory: 4/27/2010: Signed a three-year, $1.220 million contract. The deal included a $5,000 signing bonus. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: Restricted Free Agent

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by stujo4 on Nov 12, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not gonna vote right now.

Would be OK with the four headed monster plan, but, they will have to show me last week wasn’t a fluke. Not doubting the running backs, only the play callers.

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by cajuncommando58 on Nov 8, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

I think we keep them all

PT is too good on screens and is a patient runner who lets the blockers set up before hitting the hole. Ingram and Ivory are gritty inside runners who we don’t want to wear down. Sproles is Sproles…quick, elusive, great in space, but can still dart through holes on the inside. I think they all complement each other very well and I’d like to see more sets with multiple backs to mess with opposing defenses. We can be just as creative with our running game as we are with the passing game if we put our minds to it.

by BlackandGold4ever on Nov 8, 2011 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

3) Inactivate Ingram or give him a very minimal role.

HA! Right after Drew BREEESSS!!! gets benched. Oh wait, there’s more:

My perference is the third option, at least for a few games and then re-evaluate.
His preformance would indicate that this is not a realistic option. It’s Ingram, Sproles, and Pierre Thomas with TUSK!! spelling whoever is hurt, or else inactive. And I just got a feeling that coldpizza would like to remind everyone that Joique Bell is also available.

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by stujo4 on Nov 8, 2011 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

Indeed.

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by coldpizza on Nov 11, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that we need to put in a 4 back set

Line PT up as a tight end on the end of the line so he can go chip and go for a clean flat pass, who the heck is getting the ball in that case? :P (you can’t do sarcasm font on the title)

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by theprogrammerman on Nov 8, 2011 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

All 4 will stay on the roster

After last year’s rash of injuries at the RB position, I doubt that Payloo will let any of our backs go either this year or even next. I do think that at least one will be on the inactive list each week, probably any one that might be a little nicked up.

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I probably shouldn’t come on this. ;-)

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by Cajun in CA on Nov 8, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

just to clarify, I'm not thinking any of them will be eliminated from the roster

I am just not sure it’s in our best interest to have 4 RBs activated each week as we have needs at backup to LBs, DEs,TEs, CBs, Oline, special teams etc. We probably are best with 3 TEs, probably can get by with only 1 FB active, but the active roster spot taken by a 4th RB that may only get in the game for 5 plays may be a waste.

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by Philinwood on Nov 8, 2011 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

I am worried that with the amount of work Sproles does in every game

he is bound to get hurt. I also don’t think that PT gets enough respect. I was excited to see the progress Ivory made in just that one game. I think when he is back to his normal state it will be a lot of fun to watch between the 3 of them. I am honestly not all that impressed with Ingram right now. He still has a long way to go.

by SarahT on Nov 8, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions  

I agree. Seems we are in the minority.

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by Philinwood on Nov 8, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I will join your minority.....................

Tusk does everything Ingram does and looks to run harder actually. But, I agree, Ingram needs time to grow into the position and will only get better. This running back promblem is a very nice problem to have.

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by saint-sly on Nov 9, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as the o-line is blocking well, we could do it with two...

but I’m happy with 3 or 4… and long as we have enough corners to cover wr’s.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 8, 2011 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

For now I think we see Ivory and Ingram taking turns being inactive week to week

We need Sproles out there and PT is the leader of our running backs not to mention SP shows loyalty to his long time players
I think next year we see Either PT or Ivory gone my guess would be PT

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by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 8, 2011 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

At this point……………….if anybody was to be traded, it would be Ingram IMHO. He has not exceeded or separated himself from the rest of the running backs with his performance to this point. This could change before the season ends but right now, I love PT, Tusk and Sproles and it showed last week with Ingram on the bench.

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by saint-sly on Nov 9, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

He’s a rookie!! Most rookies suck!

He’s a first round rookie that we got for a good price, who shows great promise.

He ain’t getting traded.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 9, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I know that Dan but..................

at this point in time Ingram would still still be my choice to go IF I had to make a choice based on current productivity. I would never let PT, Ivory, or Sproles go anywhere either. Nice problem to have though. What you thank ???

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by saint-sly on Nov 9, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

very nice problem to have…

I was just talking about what I think would likely be done by PayLoo.

If I was forced to choose one to trade, I think it would be Ivory.

Ingram has HUGE upside. Ivory (who I love) has been injured a few times, which makes me question his ability to stay healthy and contribute.

by Dan Kelly on Nov 9, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The trade deadline has passed and Ivory’s contract is up at the end of the season. If all others are healthy, he simply won’t be brought back. I can see him being re-signed to a one year deal, i.e., as a camp body, if there’s no better opportunity elsewhere, which isn’t saying much for Ivory. The guy is more injury prone than Reggie Bush and only marginally more talented a back on the whole. I honestly don’t understand the love affair. Then again, I never understood the love affair with Bush. Not disagreeing with your assessment, btw. He’s definitely the low man on the totem pole. Below Bell, in my honest opinion.

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by coldpizza on Nov 11, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ivory’s contract is up at the end of the season.

I don’t think that’s true.

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by stujo4 on Nov 12, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless you’re assuming he just won’t make the team next year. Shall I put you down for that, sir?

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by stujo4 on Nov 12, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

rotoworld.com:

Chris Ivory and Pierre Thomas each played 21 snaps in Sunday’s win over the Bucs. There’s a true three-man rotation going on in New Orleans as Darren Sproles saw 28 snaps. Ivory ended up with 15 touches while Thomas recorded 12. It’s the kind of split we’d expect going forward, although the Saints figure to run the ball less against the Falcons’ stout run defense this week.

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by stujo4 on Nov 9, 2011 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

I dont think Atlanta is any better defensively than Tampa Bay was..................

“just me”…………..Tampa has already beat Atlanta this season too 16-13. We lost to Tampa in game one in a close one and won decisivly in the second.

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by saint-sly on Nov 9, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ingram?

What do I know? (Hint: not much) But, I was never expecting showy plays from him and I don’t think the Saints were either. The Saints were looking long term for stability at the RB position, finally. Solid, good play for years to come.

I can’t understand trading Pierre next year except the reason being he’ll have the suitors. I’d rather trade Ivory. Love to watch him. Love what he gives. But, he’s hurt a lot and I don’t think last year was a fluke regarding injuries. He runs like that and gets hurt.

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by CrazyforColston on Nov 9, 2011 8:11 PM CST reply actions  

Ingram won't get traded.

I think they should keep Ingram inactive this week, let him get healed up. And then , alternate playing Ivory and Ingram each week, barring injury. keep PT and Sproles as a part of the rotation every week.

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by Philinwood on Nov 10, 2011 5:51 PM CST reply actions  

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