New Orleans Saints Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades @ Titans
For the second week in a row the Saints defense gave up 17 points, which was good enough for a win, but made us somewhat uncomfortable in the process. This week, of particular note, was a very clear game plan to contain Chris Johnson. Mission accomplished in that department as he finished with just 11 carries for 23 yards.
The Saints secondary continues to get gashed, though, and this time they yielded 314 yards, most at the hands of a rookie quarterback, on just 18 completions. Something needs to be done about these explosive plays the defense gives up. It would be more tolerable if they were getting turnovers, but once again the Saints went a full game without getting one. Luckily the Saints aren't turning the ball over either.
I thought this was the best interior defensive line play we've seen from the Saints all season, but the coverage continues to under perform. 10-3 sure feels nice, though, and the playoff berth allows us all to start rooting specifically for seeding. Regardless of how bad the Saints play defensively, the reality is I'll take it every time if I'm offered a 17 point output. Every single game.
On to the grades...
Will Smith: B+ (2.73) He was stout against the run, had his customary non flagged plays where he was clearly held, and was relentless in pass rushing. He finished with 3 tackles, a sack, two quarterback knockdowns, and he tackled Johnson once for a once. Unspectacular, maybe, but a solid game from Smith.Cameron Jordan: C- (2.18) He has ok in run support but did bring much, and he had no contributions to the pass rush. He had no tackles and was flagged once for encroachment. He does deserve credit for tipping a pass at the line of scrimmage forcing an incompletion.
Junior Galette: B- (2.30) He only had one tackle and a quarterback knockdown but he once again looked good against the run which is declared weakness. He also put decent pressure on Jake Locker and was responsible for flushing him out of the pocket on the game's final play.
Jeff Charleston: C (2.05) He had one tackle and provided a breather for some of the guys ahead of him. Turk McBride's must be real chewed up and he hasn't event come close to practicing in four weeks. It would be nice if he came back though.
Aubrayo Franklin: B+ (2.36) He was credited with just one tackle but he was in large part responsible for the initial surge on the 4th and inches stop the Saints made. While he never got much by way of stats in this one, he was very effective in the middle at controlling the pile and line of scrimmage. He set up his tacklers to stop Johnson dead in his tracks, and numerous times he clogged up the middle to force Johnson back outside. A solid day against the run.
Shaun Rogers: A- (2.21) Looked who showed up to play! Rogers was rewarded with a start as Sedrick Ellis couldn't go and he made the most of it. He had 3 tackles, one of which he was credited for on the 4th down stop, he was excellent all day against the run, he tipped a pass, and he got two penalties on the left guard, one of which was a blatant hold. We saw a little bit of everything from Rogers and he was one of the players responsible for Johnson's struggles. If only he played like this semi regularly...
Tom Johnson: C (2.30) He had no tackles but played a good amount in the middle and did a good job absorbing contact and eating space.
Scott Shanle: C (2.33) Did he even play? He was incredibly quiet. He didn't have a single tackle and as the Titans became heavily involved in passing he didn't see the field much. Perhaps he wasn't a big part of this gameplan?
Ramon Humber: C- (2.60) He also had no tackles despite being on the field a good amount. He blitzed a fair deal in Jonathan Casillas' stead, but he clearly doesn't have his knack for getting to the quarterback.
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: C+ (2.67) He was in coverage all too often and somehow found himself covering Nate Washington at one point. That should NEVER happen. He had 5 tackles but he seemed to be more of a defensive back than anything else. He didn't play particularly well but I gave his grade a huge boost for the game ending sack. That play was huge.
Jonathan Vilma: D+ (2.52) He had one tackle and for the large majority of the game he was chasing the play. He was a complete non factor despite good playing time and his coverage was a liability.
Will Herring: D (2.17) He was beaten down the seam twice for huge gains by the Titans. That was basically his contribution. Plus a tackle.
Tracy Porter: B (2.43) His tackling ability was nothing short of atrocious. He finished with 3 tackles and I'm honestly not sure how. He did have a nice tackle on Chris Johnson right at the line of scrimmage on the final drive. Speaking of that final drive, he timed a slant route perfectly and broke up a huge pass in the end zone which would have won the game for the Titans with 5 seconds left. Anything else he did poorly up to that point was meaningless. Give him credit, he came up with one of the most massive plays of the game when it mattered most. That made him hard to grade, but ultimately I like rewarding difference makers at the end of a game in a win. He also had a huge hit on Jake Locker that knocked him out of the game momentarily on a blitz. That was originally ruled a fumble, too, though replay did show clearly that Locker's arm was moving forward for an incomplete pass.
Jabari Greer: B- (2.72) He saved a touchdown earlier in the game with a beautiful breakup in the end zone. He also had 3 tackles and he was beaten a few times, but overall his coverage was decent and he had nice tackle on CJ near the line of scrimmage in the open field. He is neck and neck with Will Smith for defensive player of the year for me and it'll come down to the final three games.
Patrick Robinson: B- (2.53) His coverage overall was incredibly solid but he missed one open field tackle that led to a huge gain at an important stage of the game. Like Porter, he needs to do a better job of tackling. He finished with 1 tackle and 2 pass breakups.
Roman Harper: C (2.21) He was very helpful in the box against Johnson but he once again was caught guilty of a personal foul penalty. In fact, he had two of them in this one. A blatant facemask in the open field (which, granted, saved a touchdown and a completely unnecessary roughing the passer that extended a drive. He had 6 tackles including one for a loss and was good against the run, but this reputation that is starting to follow him around as a "dirty player" I find to be pretty accurate. I do like his physical aggression and the mean streak he plays with in the box but he's got to do a better job of restraining himself from mistakes that hurt his team. That can be labelled as dirty, but a lot of times it can also be labelled as stupid.
Malcolm Jenkins: B (2.33) As the last line of defense he was a very sure tackler and he did a good job of limiting the damage. A few times he ran up and made beautiful open field tackles. The one hit he had on Johnson short of the 1st down was huge because that would set up what would later be a 4th and 1 where the Saints would get a stop. If Jenkins doesn't make that tackle, it's a touchdown. He led the team with 10 tackles but most of them were downfield and you never want your free safety leading the team in tackles. His coverage could have been better but he wasn't responsible for most of the big plays... in fact it was largely the linebackers that got beat badly in coverage.
Isa Abdul-Quddus: C- (2.47) He played a fair amount as the "center fielder" in Williams' complex pass defense, and he did it very poorly. I don't understand the scheme where he sees playing time, but it's becoming repeatedly clear he isn't good enough to make plays on the back end. Not yet, at least. He had one tackle but was late to numerous deep throws.
John Kasay: B+ (3.18) He was 3 for 3 on field goals and 1 for 1 on extra points, so he did his job, but all field goals were inside 30 yards and he came very close to missing one which just barely hooked inside the upright.
Thomas Morstead: B+ (3.41) He averaged a booming 49.8 yards on 5 punts and a 43 yard net average, which is good. He did outkick his coverage at times but he was fortunate that Roby did such a good job downfield covering his kicks. His kickoffs weren't as deep as usual but overall he did a fine job neutralizing dangerous return man Marc Mariani. Morstead has dropped to second on the team behind Brees in GPA after this week.
Courtney Roby: A+ (2.94) He had 5 special teams tackles. 5!!! That is unheard of. He always found the ball and he put to rest any chance at big returns with a couple clutch open field tackles. Incredibly game from Roby as a gunner.
Martez Wilson: C- (2.34) He did well on special teams and defense for the most part and he finished with 3 tackles, but he negated Darren Sproles' punt return for a touchdown with a hold so that hurt his grade big time.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Shaun Rogers
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Courtney Roby
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Porter/Morestead grades
I think Porter should have graded lower. Granted, he had a perfect defended pass on the slant into the endzone, but if he learns to open field tackle on those quick, side-out passes maybe that last minute defense becomes irrelevant.
Also, Morestead looked to mis-hit the ball 2X on kickoff, both ending in returns. His punting is nothing short of stellar this year but I would like to see him be more consistent in the kick-off phase when playing outdoors.
You are baiting Dan right? hee,he
Patrick Robinson: B- (2.53) His coverage overall was incredibly solid but he missed one open field tackle
R.I.P. Andy Rooney
by cajuncommando58 on Dec 13, 2011 1:23 PM CST reply actions
no comment :-)
other than… it was a low C performance, at best.
nobody’s perfect, but in the limited time that you’re in there you can’t must up the attention span to know where you’re supposed to be and then get there, and then tackle once you’re there.
You know, since Roby actually knows how to make tackles and can clearly catch the ball, maybe he needs to spend time with the DB coach to see if we can turn him into an effective cornerback.
by FriarBob on Dec 13, 2011 1:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This sounds like a decent idea to me.
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by Dave Cariello on Dec 13, 2011 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I really like that idea
The guy has talent and definitely deserves a chance for more playing time.
Make sure I'm all the way dead because I'll come back and make you my b****-Captain Spaulding
by AcquiredPanic on Dec 13, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
That might be less likely. All a gunner has to do is run fast. A DB has to be able to run fast AND be going in the right direction at the right time.
All DBs are going to get burnt at least some of the time. But if he can actually tackle and occasionally catch an INT, he’d be a significant upgrade over some of our current guys.
I'd buy that for a dollar!
How many of you guys actually watched the MNF game yesterday?
I watched most of it while I was surfing (the Interwebs) and working, and they have an undrafted, rookie receiver who leads the team in receptions and, get this, interceptions.
A: Doug Baldwin (who is also #15!)
Herring's reaction to covering Nate Washington
“Awwwwwww S***!!!! Please let him run a slant route….Please let him run a slant route”
Make sure I'm all the way dead because I'll come back and make you my b****-Captain Spaulding
PRob's reaction to covering.... anybody
“Awwwwwwwww S****!!! What am I supposed to do again? Please let him run a 9 yard hook… Wait… how do you defend a 9 yard hook? Please let him throw to someone else. Please let him throw to someone else.”
Come on, now
Clearly, it’s more like “This one’s a screen pass. Oh, this one’s definitely a screen pass, even though that last one wasn’t. Third times the charm, come on screen! They’re playing with me, this next one’s definitely not a screen, better play 15 yards off the line. Crap it was a screen pass. I’ll be ready for that next play.”
Yes, considering the very best team in the league's defensive points/game average is
14 and some odd points, 17 is mighty fine. I’d rather see it as our average than our best, though. That would put us just below the truly elite defenses.
Whodat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Defensive player: Smith. Special teams: Roby.
Special teams: Sproles also, because holding or not, he still makes that TD.
OUR SECONDARY.....
With the exception of Malcolm Jenkins, the secondary can’t wrap up Xmas gifts…. Its very unfortunate because thats gonna be our demise in the post season. Two more things will doom us…..2) Can’t disguise the blitz to fool a rookie QB…3) Playing too far back off the WRs…
Also.....
Why doesn’t Greg Williams put a spy on the RB…. On pass plays, the RBs kill us because they’re left wide open. I’m a firm believer if we didn’t have the offense we have, Greg Williams would have been gone. Our offense is the whitewash for his grafitti D. Its just that sometimes(alot) the grafitti still shows through.
by fshabazz on Dec 13, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed and Rec'd
Make sure I'm all the way dead because I'll come back and make you my b****-Captain Spaulding
by AcquiredPanic on Dec 13, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
ROBY & JENKINS!! BIG HITS and BIG REWARDS!!
Can you imagine the one-two-punch of the CB Roby and S Jenkins….OUCH !!!! with a capital OW and a capital CH!!!!
I think Roby would be an excellent addition to the defense, great call on that one. And…if there’s a game where letting him play a new position without considerable downside, it would be MINNESOTA!!!
Hey, Greg Williams, what do you think? Yeah, we know you read this board and listen to the podcast. Hell, Juge is a genius and y’all just noticed!!
Drewbdo (from the land of the Chardonnay sipping, soon to be 3rd seed 49ers!)
SaintsFan75
I am indeed from Santa Clara….waiting to see this stadium built that just got approved by the City Council yesterday. If it happens, it will be nice to see the Saints obliterate the 49ers in their new, polished and posh stadium.
Been a Saints fan since Archie. Never had a bag, always a hope.
Drewbdo
I think you’re overlooking the complexity of GW’s defensive schemes. You can’t just plug Roby into the secondary 3/4 of the way through the season and expect him to be successful. There would be too much for him to learn in too short a time, and really it wouldn’t be fair to him. I agree I’d like to see some personnel changes (and some scheme changes) but I doubt any of that is going to happen this deep into a season.

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