Preston's Week 17 Preview - Saints vs. Panthers: CAMtankerous Camelot
Before we dive into the Black & Blue Part Deux installment of the 2011 season, I'd like to give a history lesson. Sean Payton became the head coach of the New Orleans Saints in 2006, and shortly thereafter, Drew Brees became his starting QB.
Over the last six seasons, the Saints have scored 40 or more points on 14 occasions. The first happened in 2006 against Dallas, where Sean Payton and Bill Parcells agreed to just kill the clock (Parcells actually conceded a loss and just took a knee - I've never seen that one before). The 2007 season added one more against a Jaguar team that was hot at the time (the Saints were fighting to get back to .500 and everything worked as they spread the Jags out). In 2008, the Saints scored over 40 on two occasions, against Green Bay and Detroit. In both instances, the Saints came close to breaking their franchise record for points scored in a game, yet Sean Payton toned it down and just handed the ball off for much of the last 20 minutes in each contest.
In 2009, the Saints offense finally came together with a viable rushing attack that provided balance, and they broke the 40 barrier 5 times (one playoff game included). In every instance, Drew Brees either handed the ball off in the 4th quarter or came out of the game once it was in hand. 2010 featured no 40+ point outings. This season, the Saints have crossed over 40 points on 5 occasions with their renewed rushing attack once again in play. Even when the Saints broke their franchise scoring record against the Colts, Drew Brees was yanked from the game in the third quarter and the backup QB didn't throw a single pass - yet two more TDs were still scored.
Sean Payton has shown time and time again that when the game is in hand, he's a fair sport and doesn't rub it in Bill Belichick style. Even when the Saints dominated the Patriots so much that Belichick said "f*** it" and pulled his starters with five and a half minutes to play, the Saints didn't pull a Steve Spurrier. In 2009, Drew Brees was 12 yards short of throwing for 4400 yards for a fourth consecutive season (at the time, Dan Marino had four such seasons in his career, leading the NFL with the most of the then 26 occasions of recorded 4,400 yard individual passing seasons), yet Drew sat out the last game in order to avoid injury for the postseason.
Here's the point, Pete Prisco: what happened Monday night in the Superdome was a special accomplishment, and if it could have occurred any other way that night, it would have. To assert that the Saints were classless and running up the score is irresponsible of a national NFL journalist. It reeks of homerism from a closet Falcons fan. The stage was set, that amount of yards was what was needed, and Drew Brees gave his fans and a national audience what they tuned in to see, removing a distraction heading into the finale. If you have a problem with the "Saints trying to score", I have a problem with the Falcons going for it on 4th down in their attempt to score multiple times before time expired. Take a pointer from Bill (Parcells or Belichick) and know when you've had your ass handed to you and take a knee if you don't want that to happen.
Now on to this week's game.
Cam Newton has already surpassed Peyton Manning's record for most passing yards in a rookie season, and he's doing it with a better completion percentage, fewer interceptions, and more combined touchdowns. In essence, he's doing it better. Does Newton scare me? - Hell, yeah! I don't even want to think about next year because he'll give the Saints enough trouble on Sunday alone. He's like that mouth sore that won't go away - no matter what you do, he'll be a problem.
Don't you dare play man coverage against him, because the minute the defensive backs turn their backs to him, he'll take off and gash the area of the field where routes aren't being run. The linebackers and defensive ends need to not play hero and just make contact and hold on until help arrives. Zone coverage isn't necessarily the answer either - Newton is smart and puts in the time it takes to be an elite QB: he knows how to read a defense and where to go with the ball.
The Panthers aren't going to the postseason. This IS their Super Bowl. They'd love nothing more than to spoil any chance the Saints have at a bye week and beat a full-strength Saints team. Ron Rivera isn't John Fox, but I couldn't tell in the first contest; he already has a good grasp on how to play the Saints. The key for the Panthers is playing physically - something they've always done against the Saints. They are looking to bloody a nose or two, disrupt the Saints timing on offense, and keep the defense off balance enough to convert on third downs and create offensive plays that would normally be sure stops when 1+1 doesn't equal 3.
In years past, if you could limit Steve Smith and bottle up the Williams/Stewart combo, the Panthers would eventually fall off pace - even when Drew was forced to nickel and dime and settle for more field goal attempts than touchdowns. With Cam Newton, that has changed. Steve Smith and Brandon LaFell are averaging over 17 yards per catch (they have over 100 combined). Greg Olsen, Jonathan Stewart, and Legedu Naanee all have over 40 catches, while Jeremy Shockey isn't far behind with over 30. Newton spreads the ball around, and when he isn't hitting his WRs deep for a third best (64) completions of 20+ yards (tied with Drew Brees), he's dumping it off to the tight ends and running backs- they account for over 140 completions. Translation: if Cam Newton the runner doesn't give you an ulcer, Cam Newton the passer might be too much for Nexium.
How exactly can the Saints combat Cam? Sean Payton knows just what to do: he plans on attacking the Panthers full force, all players at a go. Do you think Payton will allow Tom Brady to break the record Drew Brees just set? Do you think Sean Payton will sit any star players when there's a chance St. Louis pulls off another great upset? Do you think Sean Payton will take his foot off the gas when his team is finally coming into form at the right time? I don't.
I look for Drew Brees to extend his record with another 300+ yard passing outing. I look for the Saints to break the Greatest Show on Turf's record for total yardage in a season, to break the record for most completions, to break the record for first downs, to break the record for most receiving yards by a tight end, and to continue a few streaks in the process while breaking even more records than I can list. I look for the Saints to rush for more yardage on the ground than Carolina. I look for the Saints defense to continue being stingy when it counts - on third down and in the red zone. I look for Legatron (Thomas Morstead) and the rest of the Saints special teams to once again be special and give the Saints a decided advantage in that phase.
Sure, Cam Newton will give the Saints defense more than we can stomach, but it won't be enough. The Saints are balanced when it counts. Carolina's defense has problems of their own, and I don't see how they can manage Jimmy Graham and Darren Sproles now that the Saints offense has fully developed. The Saints can sustain drives without depending on the explosive plays - the Saints don't need the miraculous to convert on 3rd downs consistently, and that is the difference. This should be a tightly contested game, but I expect the Saints to win with a score of 34-24, even if San Francisco ends the first quarter with a 35-0 lead.
Stat Time:
Offense -
1. Saints - 33.5 points per game, 457 yards per game, 6.6 yards per play, 56% 3rd down conversions, 31:48 time of possession, -4 turnover margin
4. Panthers - 25.9 PPG, 396 YPG, 6.3 YPP, 42% 3rd down, 30:35 TOP, +2 TO margin
Passing Offense -
1. Saints - 329 YPG, 8.2 yards per attempt, 70.7% completion, 41 TDs, 13 INTs, (64) 20+ yard pass plays, 24 sacks given up, 108.2 QB rating
11. Panthers - 246 YPG, 8.0 YPA, 60.1% completion, 20 TDs, 16 INTs, (64) 20+ yard completions, 33 sacks surrendered, 85.3 QB rating
Rushing Offense -
3. Panthers - 150 YPG, 5.3 yards per carry, 25 TDs, 3 Fumbles, (22) 20+ yard rushes
9. Saints - 128 YPG, 4.8 YPC, 15 TDs, 3 fumbles, (13) 20+ yard runs
Defense -
22. Panthers - 25.6 PPG, 362 YPG, 6.0 YPP, 42% 3rd down, 20 forced fumbles, 10 fumble recoveries
26. Saints - 21.5 PPG, 373 YPG, 5.8 YPP, 34% on 3rd down, 19 FFs, 6 FRs
Pass Defense -
21. Panthers - 236 YPG, 8.2 YPA, 63.5% completion, 23 TDs, 13 INTs, (47) 20+ yard completions, 31 sacks, 94.2 opposing QB rating
30. Saints - 268 YPG, 7.1 YPA, 57.7% completion, 23 TDs, 8 INTs, (47) 20+ yard completions, 31 sacks, 86.1 opposing QB rating
Rush Defense -
10. Saints - 105 YPG, 4.8 YPC, 10 TDs, 7 fumbles, (12) 20+ yard runs allowed
21. Panthers - 126 YPG, 4.5 YPC, 17 TDs, 10 fumbles, (14) 20+ yard runs
Overall Statistical Comparison: On both offense and defense, not much separates these two teams. They allow and execute the same amount of explosive plays, and while the Panthers have a better turnover margin, the Saints are better on 3rd down on both sides of the ball. The Panthers look to have a better rushing attack, but I'd argue the Saints running backs have performed better than Carolina's group when you remove Newton's ground contributions. In the passing game, Drew Brees is the difference. Who would have thought before the season that the Panthers would have a Top 5 offense?
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Playing staters will have everything to do with breaking records and nothing to do with seeding.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Nothing wrong at all
Although he will be second guessed if anyone gets hurt. Then again everything he does is second guessed.
“Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!” David Farragut
"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang
Play to win the whole game, or don't play the starters at all
Subconsciously, players will know if Payton isn’t really plannning on playing to win- and they may not play as hard. Playing even a little bit off of top-effort is a recipe for injuries. Football is a tough game, and you have to play hard and play tough in order to not get hurt.
from a panthers fan
congrats to drew brees for breaking the record. he’ s a great guy and a great QB. as for the game this weekend, i think the panthers win for two reasons. 1) the panthers offense has been insanely good lately and 2) i dont think drew brees plays the whole game. good luck in the playoffs. i hope yall destroy the falcons again and make it back to the superbowl. on a side note: i hope yall enjoy the success in the NFC south this year because carolina is gonna be sick next year
by sendthemtotheGRAVE on Dec 31, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions
hey, GRAVEsender
did you drop in on our prediction thread yet? I’d love to see your final score and then three game predictions – and you’d have a chance to win “your name in lights!”
I just had a rap with Santa and we took us a little stroll
And all I want for Christmas is the Saints in the Super Bowl
by Hans Petersen on Dec 31, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
here's a link to it
I just had a rap with Santa and we took us a little stroll
And all I want for Christmas is the Saints in the Super Bowl
by Hans Petersen on Dec 31, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Boy, I sure hope they feel better.
carolina is gonna be sick next year
Can we send them some chicken soup, maybe some gumbo?
And maybe Marlon Brando will be there by the fire,
We'll sit and talk of Hollywood, and the good things there for hire...
thanks for this, Doc
it’s just what you ordered…I was trying to think of a joke on that line, and you nailed it!!
I just had a rap with Santa and we took us a little stroll
And all I want for Christmas is the Saints in the Super Bowl
by Hans Petersen on Dec 31, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, Carolina will be sick next year.
Sick in the stomach that the Saints came out on top once again. Your team needs more than Cam if they want to come out on top of the Saints. They need a new head coach, a new defensive coordinator, new GM, new scouts, new players and fans like ours. The last one I mentioned will never happen, so you can scratch that one. You still need all the others, wait a few years to let everyone jell together, then maybe, just maybe you may have a shot at going on top of the New Orleans Saints. Sorry GRAVE, the truth does hurt sometimes. But anyway, I’ll give you a big WHO DAT for thinking so greatly about your team.
So tempting to take that the wrong way.
Must… keep it… G.
And maybe Marlon Brando will be there by the fire,
We'll sit and talk of Hollywood, and the good things there for hire...
Doc,
I haven’t the slightest idea what you mean. But if I did say something the wrong way, I’m sorry. How bout, maybe if the man tries some good Louisiana boudin along with some good Louisiana red beans and rice, he may just want to become a Saints fan. Better?
S'alright Tommy, I knew what you meant. Just stretching for that elusive sausage joke.
I think andouille would be a much better accompaniment, but good red beans and rice can be served with just about anything and make it freakin’ awesome. Cardboard becomes gourmet with Monday’s red beans on the side. I always like mine with fried pork chops. We’ve always served the boudin alone, with some good french bread or just soda crackers. Holy crap, I just ate dinner, and I’m hungry again.
And maybe Marlon Brando will be there by the fire,
We'll sit and talk of Hollywood, and the good things there for hire...
Got ya doc,
Red beans and white beans are good with anything. I think GRAVE ought to try him some of this great food. I don’t think he’ll ever be a REAL Saints fan, but I bet he’ll always want some more of this Louisiana home cookin.
It's alright I know that you're nervously babbling about the Panthers because you're scared. It's good with us Panther fans if that's what keeps you sane.
New Head Coach? Please, Rivera was the one who got our Offensive GENIOUS Rob Chudizinski in his staff and Mike Shula because he knew they were going to draft a QB and a great one at that. We all know what a Ron Rivera defense can accomplish(#1 Defense 2010 with SD). Just because this season we lost Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, and Ron Edwards along with having 18 other players on IR and playing with 3rd stringers on D at many positions doesn’t mean he or any other coach is subpar. Yes 18 guys on IR. Remember that this is a team with a new rookie head coach, rookie QB, a ton of injured players, and a short training season due to the lockout.
New GM? Well it’s hard to say because he has absolutely hit it out the park with every first rounder that he has ever drafted.
The Panthers Offense is ranked number 4 in the NFL. Yet, take into account that Cam Newton is still a ROOKIE and this whole offense hasn’t really been completely implemented into full effect. Players have said that this new offense is only the “tip of the iceberg” referring to how much more it’s going to become going forward. Rob Chudizinski is an Offensive genious he deserves a lot of credit and Mike Shula has been an excellent QB coach to Cam. Also look for an added presence of a very promising rookie victim of the IR plague to be an excellent addition to the Offense as speedster WR next year. Oh and the O-line will be much better next season although it’s not doing that bad at this point in time but the monstrous game changing Jeff Otah will be back at LT and a very good guard in Geoff Schwartz will be back. Can you imagine even more time for Cam and better run grading due to Jeff Otah for our deadly duo of RBs?
Now Defense. The Panthers lost Jon Beason the heart and sould of the defense. They lost a plethora of defensive players this season resulting in having to play with special teamers and 3rd stringers on Defense. However Rivera and Co. has done a pretty good job as of lately in coaching them up and continuing consistency after all some of these players were picked up waivers not too many weeks ago in fact against Tampa Bay they played with some SS that they had picked up that same week. Now with that said. Jon Beason(Top 3 LB) will be back next season, and well you know his worth, Thomas Davis our fastest and very skilled linebacker will most likely be back, and they’ll finally have something at DT that can stop the run and hold points of attack. Ron Rivera is a Defensive guru and he’ll turn this Defense into a very competitive one because he already has a lot of good pieces to build upon.
Now, just give the Panthers a full off-season uninterrupted by lock-out inconveniences in order to mesh together even better and get back some of those players on the 18-person IR list and you have yourself a SCARY ASS Team.
So, to summarize. “tommy v” you should be VERY SCARED at the potential of this Panther team. I know you attempted to bash them with that comment but all in all the bottom line is that you already consciously fear the potential of this team, hence all the mindless rambling and bashing of the Panthers. Sorry “tommy v” the truth is scary sometimes and at times we like to cover it up with senseless spewings but underneath it all one can clearly see truth and that is that you better be READY for this Panther team.
Good Luck on the play-offs though.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Enjoy rhe offseason, Pamper fan.
We’ll enjoy watching our team continue to actually play into February….
Irony: an atheist Saints fan
by GSO Saints Fan on Jan 1, 2012 7:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yeah, I'm thinking today's game will be a high-scoring close one
and I’m hoping our homefield advantage tips the scales in our favor…
I just had a rap with Santa and we took us a little stroll
And all I want for Christmas is the Saints in the Super Bowl
by Hans Petersen on Jan 1, 2012 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
I'd say we were ready, wouldn't you?
And maybe Marlon Brando will be there by the fire,
We'll sit and talk of Hollywood, and the good things there for hire...
There's only one area you're truly and completely wrong on
Oh there are others I might quibble on, but you’re not THAT far wrong on anything except one. Beason. He’s been hurt what, eight years in a row now? (Yeah, OK, I exaggerate, sue me.) He’s not coming back. Not at a high enough level to be worth it.
You find a good replacement for him and a few other upgrades, though, and yeah, you’ll be a lot more than a “minor headache” for awhile. Whether you’ll be more depends a lot on whether you’re right or the others are about Chud. I suspect you’re part right… but not quite fully so.
I thought the game would go along the lines of the first half… i never expected Drew to go over 350 yards, though I was hoping for it. Awesome game to watch, that’s a keeper on the DVR.
Stop wearing a wishbone where your backbone ought to be. Would you be convicted in court of being a Christian? Happiness is shared, and comes from sharing.
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