Tracy Porter vs. Patrick Robinson
by stujo4 on Dec 7, 2011 10:35 AM CST
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I'm tired of watching Tracy Porter overpursue and miss tackles, consistently. PRob just seems like a better corner to me. @Take the poll because I really, really care what you think about this.@ Here's one response:
You make the CB call
Jeff,
You can only have one on your team, as of today: Patrick Robinson or Tracy Porter?
Who is playing better (or less worse) right now?
Easy Jeff Duncan, The Times-Picayune | The Times-Picayune
I'd go with Robinson in a heart beat. Saints officials would probably say otherwise. Of course, none of us get to evaluate the coaches' tape the way the defensive coaches do so Porter might be grading out higher on a consistent basis but from what I've seen Robinson makes more plays and is a much more consistent tackler. It'll be interesting to see what the Saints do in the offseason when it comes time to pay Porter. I have no doubt they'll make him an offer but not sure it'll be enough to keep him given their potential cap issues and starting CBs' earning power on the open market.
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by Hans Petersen on Dec 7, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
Robinson makes more plays and is a much more consistent tackler
What??? Much more consistent tackler? Robinson?
Oh yeah, that’s right, he does make more tackles downfield after opposing players have already picked up the first down. That 10-15 yard cushion on 3rd and 8 really allows him to see the ball-carrier and make that tackle for a 17 yard gain on a much more consistent basis than ANYONE else on the team.
Plus, he only misses tackles if he gets to the ball-carrier before they reach the first down marker.
Whereas, Tracy Porter simply whiffs on tackles regardless of down and distance.
So, within that context….yes, he is definitely a much more consistent tackler than Tracy Porter.
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by BewareofDog on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think he plays where GW tells him to play
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 7, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Probably because if he plays up closer like Porter and Greer do….GW knows he’ll get beat.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Very true…as is 90% of this thread.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I freely admit this thread will lead to some fun banter.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I would…but I don’t smoke…and I’m saving trying drugs until I hit 60. I figure if I get that far…might as well have some fun and see what they’re all about. I’ll probably save heroine and meth until 70 though.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
by jeff.l.b on Dec 7, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lmao...Rec'd it
You have been on a roll here recently…..and I’m not talking about ecstasy.
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 7, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
You probably wouldn't survive heroine or meth at 70 lol
I would imagine it would be way too easy to OD at that age
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by cajuncommando58 on Dec 9, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Oh they told him
But he has built up a 50+ year tolerance to it I am sure. His body probably reacts to the lack of drugs like ours reacts to lack of water or air.
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I have a funny feeling this comment thread is going to blow up.
Can we agree both Porter and Robinson sucks in their own special way?
You’re right, rustdog (Are we related?). That’s exactly what I already did….pointed out how each of them sucks in their very own way. I don’t have a favorite or preference for either player. Hell, I even voted for Lito Sheppard in the poll (That was only out of respect for the Stu-meister).
Note to Gregg Williams: It has been brought to my attention that you have been ordering Patrick Robinson to play 10-15 yards off the ball on 3rd and 8. Don’t you know that you’re making him look bad to his fans? No one else on the Saints has to do that. Not even my favorite player in the world…..Scott Shanle. So, please, give the young fella a break and stop making him give up so many easy first downs.
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Jeff Duncan says…
I’d go with Robinson in a heart beat.
You're a super genius, I can wait to hear what you have to say!
Saints officials would probably say otherwise.
Oh… so the guys who know both of the players intimately – not only their physical talent and their play on the field, but also their football intelligence, their work ethic, and their heart – they would pick Porter?
I see. Go on…
Of course, none of us get to evaluate the coaches’ tape the way the defensive coaches do so Porter might be grading out higher on a consistent basis
Hmmm… so you admit that the coaches, who know the scheme and the plays and have the tape and the intimate knowledge of both players would grade Porter higher?
but from what I’ve seen Robinson makes more plays and is a much more consistent tackler.
Jeff, you just admitted that you haven’t seen the coaches tape. All you have is live games and broadcast replays.
Do you watch PRob on pass plays that don’t go to his side or his man? if you did, you’d see his man wide open more than half the time, even though he’s not the primary receiver.
Do you watch PRob on run plays where the WR runs a route as a distraction and to take defenders out of the play? If you did, you’d notice that they’re wide open then too… and not because he’s helping out in run support. But, because he starts 8 yards off and backs up another 10 yards and the WR runs a skinny post or even a streak and is past him is 3 seconds flat!
It’ll be interesting to see what the Saints do in the offseason when it comes time to pay Porter. I have no doubt they’ll make him an offer but not sure it’ll be enough to keep him given their potential cap issues and starting CBs’ earning power on the open market.
If they let Porter go, they are going to have to bring in two capable CB’s (unless Johnny Patrick lights up the practice field) because PRob WILL NOT CUT IT as our permanent #2 CB.
If we let Porter go and PRob is our #2 CB next season, we will not win 10 games. Put me on the list.
you’d see his man wide open more than half the time, even though he’s not the primary receiver.
He’s wide open because he’s out of the play. If he was wide open and a viable target, the QB would throw to him. Unless all the Saints ever face are dumb QB’s with tunnel vision.
Do you watch PRob on run plays where the WR runs a route as a distraction and to take defenders out of the play? If you did, you’d notice that they’re wide open then too…If they’re so wide open, why aren’t they targeted? And are all these wide open receivers NOT the safety’s responsibility at this point if they are still potential targets? PRob doesn’t have to play close man to man throughout the play, as much as you seem to be demanding that he do so.
or even a streak and is past him is 3 seconds flat!Isn’t that the scheme? Seriously. Isn’t he supposed to release him to the safety?
PRob WILL NOT CUT IT as our permanent #2 CB.Thank you, now you’re on the List
.If we let Porter go and PRob is our #2 CB next season, we will not win 10 games. Put me on the list.You mean “Put me on the List again.” Done.
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PRob on run plays
I missed that. I had #21 in my eyes. Really, first you slam him for peeking into the backfield to see if it’s a run play, then you slam him for covering the WR on run plays. I beginning to think you don’t respect his skills.
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Oh… so the guys who know both of the players intimately – not only their physical talent and their play on the field, but also their football intelligence, their work ethic, and their heart – they would pick Porter?
I see. Go on…
You mean the same guys that elected to start Olin Kreutz over both Tennant and De la Puente, based on his work ethic and heart? Oh, wait …
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Robinson has more upside
Tracey Porter is a good player but I think we have seen him at his best already and we might not ever see that again due to his constant injuries. If Porter could stay on the field consistently, I might go with him over P-Rob, but he can’t. We have not seen P-Rob’s talent level peak yet and I think he could turn into a really good starting corner by next year. I don’t blame Robinson for playing off the ball like he does…..I think that is what GW is telling him to do.
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I’m tired of watching Tracy Porter overpursue and miss tackles,
You and me both. Porter hasn’t done jack since 09 and the Superbowl
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 7, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 7, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
“We have not seen P-Rob’s talent level peak yet”
First though… Please let this be true.
Second though… There’s only one direction he go.
You are a Saints fan
You know there is another direction.
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 7, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if anybody has thought that maybe Williams is trying to bolster PRob’s confidence as he brings him up? There are a lot of things that are dynamic in the coach/player relationship ahtt only the two of them really understand. Maybe Williams is just bringing him along and waiting for his learning curve to catch up before unleashing him.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 8, 2011 7:36 AM CST up reply actions
I’m tired of watching Tracy Porter overpursue and miss tackles.
I’m tired of seeing PRob’s WR (the one he’s supposed to be covering) wide effing open on nearly EVERY play.
What I don’t get is that Porter takes a bad angle or misses a tackle about 5 plays a game, which SUCKS!
But, PRob is out of position or misses a tackle about 10 times a game.
And, you still see Porter as the worse defender.
PRob gives up more first downs and more touchdowns than Porter.
AND!!!!!!!!
On plays that aren’t in his direction he’s out of position to make a play if the QB would be looking that way.
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QB’s (even great ones) have “primary receivers” and a “progression” that the go through.
THANK THE GOOD LORD ABOVE they don’t all start with PRob’s WR… We’d be toast!
I’m tired of seeing PRob’s WR (the one he’s supposed to be covering) wide effing open on nearly EVERY play.
And yet, they don’t always or even frequently throw to that receiver. I wonder why that is?
5 plays a game,
about 10 times a game.Can we verify those numbers, or did they just come out of your head? Are you sure it’s not 6 and 4 rather than 5 and 10?… Are you?
you still see Porter as the worse defender.Yeah, that’s right. Me and Jeff Duncan. Uh huh. Yep.
PRob gives up more first downs and more touchdowns than Porter.As a cornerback, is one conscious of what one is allowing, other than allowing the pass to be received successfully without pass interference, or not? Is anything else really at risk? Do you ever see a red zone defensive formation where personnel are rearranged because you don’t want a certain player in certain position because you know he “gives up too many first downs and touchdowns” as opposed to just “getting beat”?
On plays that aren’t in his direction he’s out of position to make a play if the QB would be looking that way.Well, let’s all thank Jesus1000 that the opposing QB is not often looking that way. Whew.
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And yet, they don’t always or even frequently throw to that receiver. I wonder why that is?
To quote myself, “QB’s (even great ones) have "primary receivers" and a "progression" that the go through. THANK THE GOOD LORD ABOVE they don’t all start with PRob’s WR… We’d be toast!”
So PRob’s is never the primary or secondary receiver? Wasn’t he covering Calvin Johnson?
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what do you mean?
He’s often on the primary/secondary option… look at all the first downs, big plays, and TD’s he’s given up.
Are you trying to pull a CP? (Trying to distract from the actual argument because you have no leg to stand on.) I don’t know what you’re talking about.
Greer is not always on the #1 WR.
They moved Jennins, A Johnson, C johnson, and many many more to the left on occasion.. and until Week 10 or so, Greer played on the offensive-right no matter what.
I was scared to death in the Texans game… A Johnson was open EVERY time they lined him up on offensive-left PRob’s side…. EVERY TIME.
For some STUPID reason, they moved Johnson to Greer’s side and he was basically shut down.
Of course, the guy they moved over to offensive left was open too, and Shaub saw him a few times for a few big plays.
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we've faced enough quarterbacks that are good enough to identify the weak cb
and pick on them. It happens all the time. I’m nowhere near the “anayst” that a lot of yall probably are, but if PRob were that bad, it would have been exposed to us blatantly. It would be a one-sided argument if it were that obvious. Kind of like, I think it was Leigh Torrence getting picked on by Matt Ryan to Harry Douglass (for what was it, like 3 straight completions for like 65 yards or something) when Atlanta went right down the field on us to score and set up overtime.
by jigglum...jigglum good...(SAINTS)...! on Dec 11, 2011 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
let’s all thank Jesus1000 that the opposing QB is not often looking that way. Whew.
Amen, brother Stu!!
So without divine intervention, PRob would be giving up even more catches and yards. I don’t see a crucifix around his neck. Baptist?
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teams don’t want to be “one dimensional”… by throwing to the same WR/CB over and over.
they have a gameplan that usually includes spreading the ball around even if PRob’s WR is open on nearly every play.
But if a receiver is consistently covered poorly, wouldn’t the QB throw to that receiver more often until the defense adjusted? That’s the situation you have described: PRob’s guy is often wide open. Why aren’t they taking advantage of that?
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Forget Jason David, how about Fred Thomas? How often did Fred get burned in his last 2 years as a Saint? Is that how you see Patrick Robinson?
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Jeff Duncan gets paid a salary, full time, to evaluate the Saints. He’s not seeing this. Why are you seeing this? Is Jeff Duncan incompetent? I’m not very competent. But Jeff Duncan? How about Mike Triplett? Does he think PRob is a liability in coverage? Let’s go to the archives:
stujo4 | Veteran | 5 days ago
Robinson vs Porter
Mike,
I think Patrick Robinson is outperforming the overpursuing and tackle missing Tracey Porter. My friend thinks Robinson stinks (playing way too far off of his man) and Porter is clearly a better talent. So far this season, who do you think is playing better?
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Mike Triplett, The Times-Picayune | The Times-Picayune | 5 days ago
Both have strengths …
I think Robinson has better speed, and that helps when he’s covering deep throws. He also seems to come closer to more interceptions, tracking some balls down in the air. … But I think Porter plays with great confidence and instincts and has obviously been a proven play-maker in some big games in the past. … The good thing is you don’t have to choose between the two. They both play on passing downs, with Porter moving inside to the slot.
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he didn't really give an opinion either way, did he? :-)
He says PRob is faster. I will agree with that one. He’s slightly faster.
He also says Porter plays with great confidence and instincts.
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that’s something that I didn’t even mention but PRob very often looks confused and unsure of his assignment or what to do or what the play is supposed to do… which could be why he “hands off” to a safety that isn’t there.
Funny though…he’s not faster…at least not by their 40 times. Porter’s actually a fair amount faster at 4.37 to 4.45. Though it’s widely been acknowledged that Robinson has superior technique and fluidity, especially in the backpeddle…and no…I’m not making a joke on his play style…merely repeating information spouted off by “experts” regarding their play coming out of college.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
“coming out of college”
Stewart is talking about now, though; not coming out of college.
but, you’re right… straight line speed is important but technique is to and so is football knowledge and instinct.
And, yes, I’ll agree with you.. he has EXCELLENT backpeddle technique. (Yes that’s meant as a joke.)
aren't those 40 times from a couple of years ago?
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yes….but you don’t just “get slower” without age or reason. Neither is to the point where age is a factor, neither has suffered leg damage…both are still at the college playing weight…there is 100% no reason at the moment why those times still would not hold up.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
neither has suffered leg damage…
rotoworld.com:
Saints coach Sean Payton clarified Wednesday that RCB Tracy Porter’s knee injury is a lateral meniscus tear. Initial reports had it as a partially torn (sprained) MCL. Either way, Porter had arthroscopic knee surgery and is out 3-4 weeks.
Oct 6
Saints RCB Tracy Porter underwent offseason surgery on his left knee, a procedure believed to have involved microfracture elements.
The microfracture procedure was used to “stimulate healing.” Porter played on a torn lateral meniscus for much of last season, and he fell from 20th in 2009 to 42nd in Pro Football Focus’ pass coverage ratings for cornerbacks. His interceptions also dropped from four to one. Porter’s trainer says he is “ahead of schedule,” but time will tell if Porter has lost explosiveness.
Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
Jul 22
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MikeT also did not support your argument, that PRob is a liability in coverage, in any shape or form.
I didn’t say PRob is good. I said I think he’s better than Porter.
I hear you saying PRob is bad and Porter is much better. You, clearly, are wrong. It’s possible I’m not right, but I don’t think so.
PRob very often looks confused and unsure of his assignment
He looks that way all the time.
If he’s so confused and out of place, why isn’t he yanked and Torrence sent in to substitute? Why have we not seen Johnny Patrick at all this year?
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and...
I don’t want to take this discussion into a completely separate debate, but just because someone gets paid to do something, doesn’t mean they do it well.
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“Why are you seeing this? "
Because I’m watching closely.
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“Is Jeff Duncan incompetent?”
Maybe, I don’t really have an opinion either way.
CP thinks he a super genius, so… maybe he is.
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“I’m not very competent.”
You’re at least mildly competent. Which is why I can’t understand why you are not seeing this.
When WR’s are that wide open that often, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
Are you ignoring it on purpose? Did you go to Florida State and ignore all FSU players deficiencies?
"Why are you seeing this? "
Because I’m watching closely.
Your eyes are deceiving you.
When WR’s are that wide open that often, it sticks out like a sore thumb.They are not having the ball thrown to them. We’re not talking about 3 weeks of time. We’re in week 14. Minimal damage if any
.Are you ignoring it on purpose?I don’t even really know what you’re referring to, and please note you are the only one referring to it.
Did you go to Florida State and ignore all FSU players deficiencies?No. Let’s stay on topic, especially while you’re losing.
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“Why aren’t they taking advantage of that?”
as I explain below, they don’t want to get one dimensional.
They don’t want to ‘kill the golden goose’ so to speak.
they don’t want the defense to adjust, so they don’t throw it to that side every play.
That didn’t stop Drew Brees from picking on the CB for the Texans (Demps, i think) when we killed them in the 4th quarter. He went there almost every play in that comeback.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 8, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
But if a receiver is consistently covered poorly, wouldn’t the QB throw to that receiver more often until the defense adjusted?
Speaking as both a QB and Offensive Coordinator, yes. The ball is going to that side until they prove they can stop it, with occasional tosses to the other side, for the D-Line
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Yup, you hear it all the time in games too. Color commentators will talk about how “player A” is in the game and is going to be picked on until he can prove he can stop it. Generally speaking…when that happens you see a good 4 out of 5 balls thrown his way until the DC or player responds in kind.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
but that doesn’t mean and has never come to pass that they “pick on” that player every snap or even 50% of snaps.
Disagree…I see it constantly. There’s at least a game or two per weekend where you’ll hear a commentator claim it…and sure enough you watch it happen until it’s fixed.
Just like Usama Young in the SB where you heard Payton say “watch this”….all the announcers clearly pointed it out that they’re going to probably go after young….sure enough…just like clockwork….touchdown.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
The Packers picked PRob apart
They made him look lost in week 1 and since then I cant think of 1 team that made him look bad on a consistant level
I believe he or GW has modified the way he plays (10-12 yards deep)
thats what you do to help protect a CB thats young
I personally like PRob and think he has outplayed Porter whether it’s due to injuries i’m not sure
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
That is what good QBs do…and by good, I’d say the top third or maybe even top half of all starting NFL QBs.
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 8, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
Teams want to win, period. If it was on tape that PRob’s receiver was always open, they would throw to that receiver every play until he was covered. There is a reason they refer to “picking on” a cornerback when he enters the game as a replacement.
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by theprogrammerman on Dec 7, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Dude.
If a receiver is open on nearly every play, every QB/coach in the NFL would take advantage of it, regardless of game plan. I’m assuming you didn’t type the above comment with a straight face.
Matchups
Dan,
Teams change their schemes to get favorable matchups. If WRs are running open freely, they would continue to attack those matchups. Prob is not great but he is not nearly as bad as you think.
they have a gameplan that usually includes spreading the ball around even if PRob’s WR is open on nearly every play.
Wow. TOP is meaningless and QBs ignore open receivers in order to meet their pass distribution quotas. If there were 21 grams of credibility left in you prior to this post, they just drifted out the moon roof.
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Do you have something to back up these numbers and claims that you are making? Or are you just going with how you see it?
by BlackandGold4ever on Dec 8, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions
LMAO!!
In looking up something for this thread, I came across THIS CSC THREAD from 2008.
I won’t point them out specifically, but there are some interesting comments in that thread.
Dan's digging deep for ammunition
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 7, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
Anyone interested in the history of CSC should check that article Dan linked to. That’s from like my first month or two of writing. And if you check the comment section, I believe it’s also the introduction of the term PayLoo by Stu. Good stuff.
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by Dave Cariello on Dec 7, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
As tempting as it is to tweak Stu's nose until he explains how little he cares about my opinion,
I don’t see how anyone can make a competent comparison between the two unless they either attended the game or have access to full-field video. Most TV shots don’t show what’s happening a the extreme ends of the LOS or 5-yards deep into the defense (which admittedly will eliminate PR from television). Even if they show a close-up of what PR did, they don’t give a full-field shot so you can assess what the defense was doing, and what PR’s role should have been. Ditto (mostly) for Porter.
Not really--
I just think PR is targeted a bit more than Porter. My real point here is I can’t tell just looking at the TV. You’ve got to see the whole defensive backfield to see what the receivers are doing, how the D-Backs are responding, and even then you don’t necessarily know the defensive scheme (i.e., who screwed up).
Playing off the receiver is understandable for a young-un if everyone else is blitzing (as I’m sure GW told him). But you guys are correct—if you play off, you’ve got to close fast and make a sure tackle, which I don’t see that often. But PR does play off on 3rd and long, which coincidentally is when GW likes to blitz.
I think Prob is playing better
but I voted for Porter. Go with him- they both are going to play- a lot. Porter will make some big plays and PRob will make some mistakes out of inexperience. The thing is, from my perspective, I would rather the plan be go with Porter and Play PRob aplenty than go with PRob and dis Porter. In the long run, it will be better if we have to turn to the next guy (PRob) to save the day than to Porter who has fallen from grace and now is asked to patch things up. It’s more of a big picture and long term outlook. I think it’s exactly what Payton is thinking.
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If we take away what Porter did
In the NFC championship and the SB two years ago, would anyone’s opinion of him change at all? Since Porter was drafted, he has missed a grand total of……you ready for it….21 games!! A four year career and he has missed 21 games. Now if this was anyone else besides Porter, would we give them a free pass? I just feel like we don’t criticize him enough because of what he did in 2009 but come on….that was two years ago. It’s hard to even grade the guys performance anymore because he can’t even stay on the field. For anyone that doesn’t know, he will be a free agent next year so this will be a topic of discussion soon so we might as well go ahead and have it here. Should we reward him with a new contract? I just don’t see how we can offer him another contract with his injury history. Add the fact that he has had only two interceptions over the past two years and I just feel like we should go in another direction. I feel like we will offer him a contract but someone else will overpay for him.
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Does anyone else think that GW is trying to use a little rope-a-dope?
As in play soft and off the receivers more yards than normal during the season (as long as we are still winning) and then in the playoffs/superbowl quickly adjust and shorten the gap to get some INT’s for pick-6’s?
OR
Am I falling for the “genius” moniker and over-reading a defense that is getting it’s rear handed to it on way too many pass plays to count?
I hear a lot of the commentator’s stating on those 3rd and long plays the D keeps getting beat on that if the D would give a good “Hi! How are ya? My name’s PRob” chuck on the receiver before they got off the line then we would not be giving up so many long plays for 1st downs.
Whatch think?
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if the D would give a good "Hi! How are ya? My name’s PRob" chuck on the receiver before they got off the line
It’s not like we’ve got a Regis Island or anything. I think they’re doing their best every week.
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Regis Island? Is that where he’s going now that he’s retired from that morning show with Haley from All My children?
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voted Porter
Just on the strength of our super bowl run in the playoffs. Don’t forget Porter forced a fumble on Berrian in the redzone in the Vikings game. And picked off Favre. And of course the super bowl. That and that alone gives my vote to Porter. Now Patrick been up n down. I really hated him against the Pack. But he picked off Cam and Gabbert and blocked xtra points and fieldgoals. Porter all day tho.
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You would say Porter is better right now.
Just because of what he did two years ago?
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by AcquiredPanic on Dec 9, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
CB's get Five Yds. to "Chuck" a WR
so take advantage of it, even if the Def. is playing zone,“Chuck’em” then release’m…. what ever the reason, we don’t do it, or not enough. And you can contribute some of the (DB) problems to our pass rush, or lack there of, it all starts up front. 3 and 5 step drops by the QB are timing throws, and our Db’s just aren’t disrupting the timing….. consistently. I’ll go P-Rob for the moment, and he blocked a FG last wk.
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by Hans Petersen on Dec 14, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
greer is a more proven cb. but i think he has peaked as a player. the sky is the limit for PROB IF he can get some consistency. trust me, I as speechless as everyone else as to why he is playing 15 yards off the line of scrimmage. it’s not like many of the receivers he’s faced so far can easily run past him. damiiam williams? really?!? but maybe they are trying to give up the short pass underneath and bait offenses cause prob can close very fast to make the tackle and/or intercept the ball.
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