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Saints' 27 Potential Free Agents Leads League

With all of the discussion lately centering around people's places of residence, player suspensions, and whatnot, how about we get back to what truly matters - the team? ESPN put out this chart today that lists each teams' potential free agents going into the 2011 season (or whatever remains of it after the CBA negotiations). The Saints top the list at 27 players. The word "potential" is used because any new collective bargaining agreement will impact who is or is not a free agent.

Under the old system, we would have 23 unrestricted free agents (four years or more of service) and 4 restricted free agents (three years of service). Will the new CBA stick to these guidelines or is there a possibility it will change in some way? No one knows.

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According to Mike Triplett, this is the complete list of the Saints' potential free agents:

6 years or more experience: LB Scott Shanle, C Jonathan Goodwin, S Darren Sharper, FB Heath Evans, DT Anthony Hargrove, DE/DT Jimmy Wilkerson, RB Julius Jones, RB Ladell Betts, LB Danny Clark, LB Kawika Mitchell, S Pierson Prioleau, S Matt Giordano.

5 years: S Roman Harper, WR Lance Moore, TE David Thomas, OT Zach Strief, WR/KR Courtney Roby, CB Leigh Torrence.

4 years: RB Pierre Thomas, OT Jermon Bushrod, DT Remi Ayodele, DE Jeff Charleston, LB Marvin Mitchell, S Usama Young, S Chris Reis, TE Tory Humphrey, RB DeShawn Wynn.

3 years: G Carl Nicks, K Garrett Hartley, LB Jo-Lonn Dunbar, LB Anthony Waters.

He goes on to say this about other potential moves and renegotiations involving other players:

The Saints may also consider releasing or restructuring contracts with some other veteran players, including tailback Reggie Bush, tight end Jeremy Shockey, receiver Devery Henderson and cornerback Randall Gay, among others. And they will likely sign quarterback Drew Brees to a lucrative contract extension this offseason as he heads into the final year of his current deal.

Who do you think will stay with the Saints and who do you think will go elsewhere? How about we each list who we think are the top five players among these potential free agents (or other players currently under contract, if you want) that Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton will most try to retain and then also list the bottom five we think won't be with the team anymore. Here's my guess:

Top five to keep:

  1. Carl Nicks
  2. Jonathon Goodwin
  3. Roman Harper
  4. Remi Ayodele
  5. Jermon Bushrod

The five most likely gone:

  1. Matt Giordano (I don't even know who this is)
  2. Ladell Betts
  3. DeShawn Wynn
  4. Julius Jones
  5. Darren Sharper

There's a lot more that I think the Saints will make a serious effort to retain, but that's just my best guess for the top five. I think Pierre Thomas is higher up on the "retain" list than some people think.

What's your best guess?

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"Obstacles can not crush me. Every obstacle yields to stern resolve. He who is fixed to a star does not change his mind." -Leonardo DaVinci

by BigCountryLV on Feb 10, 2011 5:10 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Wow! Post fail

I figured many would want to discuss all of these free agents. I guess it’s too early.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Feb 11, 2011 9:24 AM CST reply actions  

Without an agreement…it’s kind of a moot point at the moment.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Feb 11, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

We're #1! We're #1!

If we can’t be the Super Bowl Champs, at least we’re tops in SOMETHING…

And for me, I find it difficult to think of any player personnel movement while the looming LOCKOUT clouds my thoughts.

Happiness is a warm blanket.

by Hans Petersen on Feb 11, 2011 10:03 AM CST reply actions  

I’m not going to waste my time trying to guess the order in which Loomis and Payton value these players. They’re going to do whatever they want, regardless. Instead, I will provide my own top and bottom five:

Top Five:

1. Dave Thomas – primarily as a bargaining chip. Before the ink on this contract even had time to dry, I’d be on the phone with Jeremy Shockey’s agent, trying to renegotiate a more cap-friendly deal. I view this as a key target position, in that we have one guy making a boat load of money, who is also (arguably) the least productive. If Shockey won’t budge, he’s adios.

2. Zach Strief – I don’t particularly value Jermon Bushrod as a starting left tackle, but I DO value the importance of depth along the OL. Strief can play four of those five positions in a pinch and won’t be asking for the moon. He also the best blocking “tight end” we have outside of Shockey, who obviously isn’t a staple in my plans moving forth. Why not get this guy locked up long term?

3. Carl Nicks – Bushrod isn’t as good a tackle, as Nicks is a guard. More importantly, Bushrod isn’t as good a guard as Nicks is a tackle. You’re talking about starter’s money either way, and Nicks is a sure fire starter at LG, no matter how you slice it. Again, why not get the best value for our buck?

4. Remi Ayodele – while some may disagree, I’m fine with Ayodele as a starting DT in both the 4-3 and the 3-4. He’s nothing spectacular, but he’s solid. Arguably the most consistent player along the entire DL. Not knowing what the draft and free agency will bring, I’d make it a point to get this guy under lock and key. Who knows? If we somehow luck out and land two solid OLBs, Sedrick Ellis could always be moved for a key contributor at another position.

5. Marvin Mitchell – tough choice between Mitchell and Lance Moore, in terms of value. Decided to go Mitchell, since I’ve already addressed the offense three times. Pretty much the same logic here as on Ayodele. As GM, I’m not sold on the 4-3 as a set in stone, long term answer for this team. That taking into account both our current personnel and the fact that Gregg Williams is entering the final year of his contract. Mitchell is an asset in either scheme, and is also a solid special teams contributor. You can’t have too many guys like that.

Bottom five:

1. Darren Sharper – even for the veteran minimum, I’d have to think long and hard about bringing this guy back. Not that his ego would ever afford me such a chin rub. So long and thanks for all the fish, D. See you in Canton someday. It’s been fun.

2. Heath Evans – starter’s pay for FB who struggles at lead blocking? Let me think about that no. Evans has even less redeeming value on offense than Reggie Bush, in my opinion. We seldom carry two FBs, so depth at the position is of little concern to me. As far as starters go, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he can be improved upon. In the event of a sudden nation wide shortage of dependable FBs, I would rather roll with Dave Thomas in an H-back capacity and re-sign …

3. Tory Humphrey – I think it’s safe to say that Tory Woodbury brought more to the table as a Saints QB, than Humphrey has as a Saints TE. If Shockey refuses to renegotiate and winds up getting cut, I would offer Billy Miller another contract, before extending one to this guy.

4. Matt Giordano – gotta agree with Satch on this one. The 5th best safety on the house menu is one of my least concerns at this point.

5. DeShawn Wynn – same goes for the 4th best RB, despite this being an area of concern. It’s one that I’d be addressing early on in the draft, regardless. Between that, outside free agency, higher priority signings — Thomas, Jones, Betts (in that order) — and projected roster stragglers — Bush, Ivory, Hamilton — Wynn doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of sticking around. At least, not without another reenactment of the 4077th.

In case you’re wondering, I’d have no problem offering Shanle a veteran minimum contract to compete for a starting spot in training camp. Whether he’d be willing to accept that is anyone’s guess. Of course, I would still be going out of my way to upgrade the OLB position, in both the draft and UFA.

I’d also at least attempt to renegotiate a contract with Roman Harper. Primarily because we have bigger fish to fry in other areas and very few draft picks with which to do so, but also because I recognize his trade value as a Pro Bowl participant.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Feb 11, 2011 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Pretty much agree…though I was having a hard time debating between Mitchell and Dunbar. Mitchell, however, would seem to get the edge with versatility and a better background in his special teams play. Glad someone else was noticing David Thomas as a piece we need to keep. Thomas isn’t nearly as good of a blocker as Shockey, but considering Shockey’s price tag, he’s out best option outside of a FA pickup.

"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."

by jeff.l.b on Feb 11, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm just trying to think...out of curiosity

When was the last time Pay-Loo traded a starter? Follow-up..or traded a starter for a starter (or other veteran as opposed to a draft pick)?

2010 – Jammal Brown (for draft pick(s))

2009 – ?

2008 – ?

2007 – ?

2006 – Donte’ Stallworth..? Darren Howard?

Happiness is a warm blanket.

by Hans Petersen on Feb 11, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

2006 – Wayne Gandy (starter) for Bryan Scott (didn’t start).

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Feb 11, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Stallworth for Simoneau was probably the last starter for starter trade, as short lived as that was.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on Feb 11, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

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