Who would you rather? Running Back Edition
Time to play the classic "Who would you rather" game. I love doing this with painful things like:
What would you rather:
a. burn to death?
b. drown to death?
But we're gonna try it with our Running Back position on the Saints. Right now it's kind of up in the air on what's happening with the position, we've got Reggie Bush about to make a crap-load of money that I think that he even knows he shouldn't be getting. Also Pierre Thomas will be a free agent this season. And Chris Ivory has been solid but like the running backs previously mentioned he is injury prone. Then there's the draft or free agency we could always turn to.
Reggie Bush: 
Reggie...well Reggie is Reggie...we love him, we hate him...but when it come's down to it: when he's out of the game our offense operates differently (for good or bad). Defenses react differently when Bush is in the game. Reggie is great in the passing game (most of the time) and if he wouldn't dance around so much he would be a little better in the running game. I've heard rumors of the Saints possibly restructuring his contract, and I've also heard that he agrees. I think he wants to be a Saint for a while, I just don't know if the front office wants him.
Pierre Thomas: 
Pierre is our most complete back, but he is also injury prone, and a free agent this year. He is easily my favorite back since he joined the team. He always fights for extra yards and is on of the best screen runners I've seen in the NFL. if you don't believe me, remember his SB XLIV TD? He shows great vision, balance, power and speed...everything that defines the running back position. They also mention that Pierre caught 45 passes in 2009...26 of them were screens! I would really hate to see Pierre go, let's hope we keep him and if so he stays healthy.
Chris Ivory: 
"Tusk" showed he can be an NFL running back even though no one heard of him before this season. He had some ball security issues throughout the year, but he was an undrafted rookie so I'll cut him some slack for this year. He ran with great power and speed, and was very decisive in his running up the middle. I think we have the rights to him next year, so he should still be here.
I think if we had all 3 running backs healthy all year round we would have definitely had an even better season, but you can't always count on the health of RB's as the Saints found out.
Free Agency: 
- DeAngelo Williams: Oh how great it would be to rub some Deangelo all up in the faces of the Panthers. Williams (when healthy) puts up some of the greatest numbers in the NFL. His price might be a bit high, but I would love for him to come to New Orleans...but again...do we really need another injured running back?
- Ronnie Brown: The former Auburn Tiger looks like he will leave Miami this year, but he is another injury-bitten back...but he his a workhorse type player who came from a run heavy system.
- Michael Bush: Another Bush you say? And he doesn't dance!? I'm still not sold, but he'll be a FA (possibly RFA...) a decent back-up to McFadden in Oakland the past couple years, and still is fairly young (26) and I think he still has potential in the right offensive scheme. (and who wouldn't prosper in our offense?)
There are plenty other free agent RB's we could looks into and here are a few:
Arian Foster (HOU)
Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG)
Cedric Benson (CIN)
Mike Tolbert (SD)
Darren Sproles (SD)
Ricky Williams (MIA)
Michael Bush (OAK)
Leon Washington (SEA)
Draft: 
via thenationalfootballreport.com
Here are a few draft prospect the Saints might have the chance to take: (won't go to in depth seeing as soon I'm sure we'll all be bombarded with draft info)
1st Rd Talent-
- Mark Ingram (Alabama)
- Mikel LeShoure (Illinois)
- Ryan Williams (VT)
2nd Rd Talent-
- Kendall Hunter (Okla State)
- DeMarco Murray (Oklahoma)
- Jacquizz Rodgers (Oregon St)
3rd Rd and beyond (notables)-
- Bilal Powell (Louisville)
- Stevan Ridley (LSU!)
- John Clay (Wisconsin)
- Derrick Locke (Kentucky)
It's possible the Saints could look to the draft for a future running back, but when they would take one is up in the air for me.
So thanks for tuning in, I'll try to keep going with this on a regular basis and go through all the positions I can. So what would you rather?
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What does Pierre have to do?
Other than, everything they’ve ever asked him to do?
Statistically, Thomas is very close to DeAngelo Williams: 4.7 career per carry average (Williams is 5.0), 8.1 career per catch average (Williams is 7.8). He’s functioned very well in Payton’s offense, and he’s our guy.
Sure, he’s had injury problems. So has Williams. So why are fans always so hot to bring in enemy personnel instead of keeping the perfectly good players they already have? Is it just to rub the Panthers’ faces in the fact that we have Williams now? Okay…how’d you like to see Pierre Thomas breaking a screen pass for the winning points in the Superdome…wearing teal?
It was worth the wait.
What does Pierre have to do? Other than, everything they’ve ever asked him to do?
Play 16 games in a season. I’m tired of this team carrying 4 RBs on the active roster and still being forced to scrape the unemployment line to find Julius Jones and Deshawn Wynn at the end of the season.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on Feb 23, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like him to last a season, too
But if we’re talking about replacing him with another back with the same history of injury problems, I don’t see the point in it. And DeAngelo Williams has got more than twice the number of votes of any other back.
It was worth the wait.
Why not both?
Let Reggie go and be amazed at how much we can have.
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I think that lumping Pierre and DeAngelo in the same “injury prone” category is a large misnomer. Let’s toss out last year and look at the 2008 and 2009 season for both as those were their two best years and healthiest between the two.
DeAngelo missed 3 games while carrying a combined 489 carries over those two years. Pierre Thomas missed three games with a combined 276 carries. DeAngelo managed to be a true work horse and stay relatively healthy, while Pierre did about the same with far fewer touches. It’s not hard to assume that DeAngelo could remain relatively healthy while receiving say 180-200 carries a year given that he pretty much did that with a far greater number of carries. Pierre, however, has proven he can’t do that while not even reaching the 150 carry plateau once in his Saint career.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I don't think I'd dump him for Williams
I’m advocating going to the draft. Not a high draft pick, but drafting a RB still. I’d like to see if Chris Ivory really is injury prone before making the judgment on him, but when he’s healthy he was the best RB we had last season. When Pierre was healthy, he was average. Maybe those injuries have a cumulative effect.
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Yes Sir "Our Guy"
I think PT deserves the best contract or chance of, last yr’s injury was freakish/awkward tackle, an injury none the less, where he missed subs. time, but no major knee issues, no collar bone/shoulder, or multiple concusions. He’s been pretty durable and still has some wheels left, good chip blocker too, Drew missed him back there. Reggie you’re on your own, Draft BPA..
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Ingram or Leshoure in the 1st. If they can’t land either, I’d skip the draft entirely and attempt to land BenJarvus Green-Ellis. He’s from New Orleans and would probably be stoked to play for the Saints. Retaining Pierre would be great, but only as a secondary option. He’s obviously not dependable enough to start 16 games, even in a RBBC rotation. I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to Law Firm, even if they do land Ingram or Leshoure … just don’t know if a second fiddle gig with the home team would be enough to interest him.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Still say Williams over Leshoure. Leshoure is a reach to me at 24, and there’s a possibility Williams will be available in the second round.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Not big on Leshoure. Honestly though, not a fan of us taking a RB in round one. There’s a lot of depth into the late third at RB, however, there’s a severe lack of pass rush talent at the DE position when you get out of the first. I would much rather see an OT/DE in round 1, and an RB and OLB in the 2-3 range.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I’m basing RB > DE on who we currently have under contract. We obviously need to get better at both positions, but who have we potentially lost at DE? Jeff Charleston. Last year’s two starters are both still on board. The biggest departure — at least among those two positions — is at RB in Pierre. Fill that void (still not ruling out Pierre as a backup), THEN look to improve. I’d much rather go that route and wind up with Ingram/Leshoure + Smith/Brown/possible depth, than Smith/Brown/Kerrigan + possible starter. Especially when I’m not comfortable with any 2nd round or lower RB (or current Saints RB) as a starter.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
There’s a lot of depth into the late third at RB
I think this is where we differ. I’m not looking for depth at RB. I’m looking for a franchise RB. As in Deuce.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
That’s what i meant by RB depth. As far as I’m concerned, Ingram, Williams, Leshoure, Thomas and Hunter all show the ability to be a franchise running back. Myself defining that franchise back as a back capable of carrying 200 times a year. All but Ingram currently seem to be falling in the 2-3 round range. DE, however, I don’t see an improvement in outside of round one with the exception of Allen Bailey. No DE prospect I see that shows up in the 2-UFA range i would automatically peg as being better than who we current have on roster. Because of that, if we want to improve both areas, we need to go DE in round 1. Otherwise, we have to hope there’s a free agency and we can pick up one of the fairly decent guys that are out there….say Edwards or Kiwanuka etc.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I don’t view any rookie back outside of Ingram and Leshoure in that light. I’d also rather go the free agent route at DE or stand pat (worst case scenario), than pass on one of those two. If neither are there, then that’s a different story. I’m fine with OT or DE at that point.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
It’s kind of a scary proposition really. There’s a solid chance that all 1st round pass rushing DE’s, OT’s, and both RBs are gone before we pick. Leaves us just sitting then scratching our heads. And with no CBA still signed, the ability to trade back is less of an option. I don’t view Sherrod or Ijalana as first round guys. Sherrod especially seems to be a clear RT. I don’t want an episode like last year where our first pick was drafted about 10 position to high. I can see this playing out where we could wind up drafting a WR instead honestly. Someone like Cobb or Doss that wind up squeaking out a first round grade as that would be about the only position left on the board that even comes close to filling even a basic need of some sort.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Julio Jones?
I’d imagine he’d still be around, if all the aforementioned positions are bone dry.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Would love him, but no way I see him there either. Only top 20 guys i see sliding down are Pouncey, Jimmy Smith, Liuget, Locker. None of those guys are obviously in a position we need to say the least. Honestly, I think we need to cross our fingers and hope someone like Kerrigan or Castonzo drops a bit.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Pouncey’s fine by me. Who’s our starting LG opposite Evans? Goodwin? You can’t just assume Nicks will be restricted and/or re-signed. Liuget seems like a possibility, also. I agree they aren’t pressing needs, but they are needs. I don’t know who you consider a Top 20-23 pick, but for every guy who “isn’t there”, another one will be falling. Basically, all you have to do is create a Big Board and eliminate the QBs. That’s really the only position I don’t see the Saints at least considering in the 1st. Agreed that CB doesn’t seem likely either, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’ll run through what I consider the top players are (alphabetically) at positions the Saints are likely most likely to consider:
RBs
Mark Ingram
Mikel Leshoure
DEs
Da’Quan Bowers
Adrian Clayborn
Cameron Heyward
Cameron Jordan
Ryan Kerrigan
Robert Quinn
Aldon Smith
J.J. Watt
OLBs
Akeem Ayers
Justin Houston
Von Miller
OTs
Gabe Carimi
Anthony Castonzo
Ben Ijalana
Derek Sherrod
Tyron Smith
Nate Solder
DTs
Nick Fairley
Marcell Dareus
Corey Liuget
Phil Taylor
Muhammad Wilkerson
WRs
A.J. Green
Julio Jones
Torrey Smith
Titus Young
OGs
Mike Pouncey
CBs
Prince Amulamara
Patrick Peterson
Jimmy Smith
That’s an entire first round’s worth and odds are there will be 2-3 QBs off the board before the Saints’ pick. That means the Saints are guaranteed to pass on roughly 10 of these guys. Who are the 10 you’d be uncomfortable with at 24?
I don’t think I can get to 10. Jimmy Smith seems like a wasted pick. Maybe a couple of the DTs, being that I’m stoked on addressing that position in the 1st. Four of the OTs. That’s seven. Two WRs (getting nitpicky). That’s nine. And I’m fine. We’ll at least have a shot at someone I consider worthy of the pick.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
My wants (in a fantasy world that uses some real world facts)
1. Ingram
2. Kerrigan
3. Carimi
4. Ayers
5. Julio Jones
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Carimi’s a right tackle mauler imo. Great guy, but to me screams right tackle. I’d much rather have Smith or Castonzo as I see both of those guys as the two true left tackles with the most upside.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
We need a replacement for Stinchcomb.
We are picking after Indy who will be taking the better left tackles. We can deal with another year of Bushrod, but Stinchcomb sucked and will probably regress worse as he now is over 31.
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On top of which, Stinchcomb can play LT, if need be. Too many unknown variables there, with Bushrod and Strief still unsigned. I’m fine with Carimi, also.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Oh i have no problem with Carimi. My only problem is that i think he’s RT only. If he’s there at 24, i wouldn’t have an issue with it.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I’d be uncomfortable with Leshoure – not a first round grade imo. Pouncey – he’s a first round grade…but you don’t pick up a guard/center in the first round. Jimmy smith is wasted. I don’t like Torrey Smith or Titus Young, if we go receiver we need someone more polished route wise, not just a seam burner. I don’t like Liuget or Wilkerson as they don’t feed our need at DT, we need a space eater/run stopper, not an Ellis clone. I don’t have a first round grade on either Sherrod or Ijalana. Houston I also think is a reach, and is really best suited by far as a 3-4 OLB given his skill set. Heyward and Jordan don’t fit our DE need as we need pressure from the outside. Neither one of those is a sack guy in a 4-3 set.
So there’s 12 right there i wouldn’t be comfy with. Add on the fact that I wouldn’t be comfy with Peterson or Amukamara as we don’t need another CB right now and there ya go.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
If Peterson drops to us
take him, I don’t really care that it doesn’t fit a need. That’s like passing on Suh just because you already have a damn good d-line.
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That entire post was based on this:
There’s a solid chance that all 1st round pass rushing DE’s, OT’s, and both RBs are gone before we pick. Leaves us just sitting then scratching our heads.
… meaning that Leshoure can’t be included in the 10. If you include him, he’s not gone. Or he is and someone else on the list isn’t. meaning you would have to pick 11.
I don’t understand why you don’t pick a guard/center in the first round, if they’re a first round grade. Didn’t stop Pittsburgh when they took Maurkice, the Chiefs with Brandon Albert, the Saints with Naoele, etc. BPA + need = good enough for me.
I’m fine switching to a 3-4, as I’ve already stated. Houston is good enough to set that in motion, imo. not crazy about any DT, but Liuget or Wilkerson are fine, just shift the less effective penetrator over. I’m obviously not as cookie cutter minded as you are at some of these positions. I think we should be drafting the BPA regardless of scheme, then decide what scheme to implement based on that talent. If we were already dominant at OLB or DE, I might think otherwise. Sedrick Ellis isn’t even a dominant DT. If he’s not as good as the guy we pick and he’s not a “space eater”, then we trade him for someone that is capable of cracking the starting lineup. Avoiding the BPA based on position subtleties like that just doesn’t make any sense to me.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I just think a first round pick should be spent on a position that frankly has the potential to change a game. I don’t see that at guard or center but almost any other position applies. I agree with a BPA approach for the most part, but i temper that with some level of need. For instance if you have Peyton Manning as your starting QB and Matt Ryan as your backup, you don’t go off and pick up Cam Newton just cause he slid to 24.
I would be fine switching to a 3-4 as well, honestly i prefer it. However, one guy can predicate the switch. You can’t just say, hey pick up Houston if he’s there and we can switch to a 3-4…as most of the rest of our personnel doesn’t fit.
I also disagree with you about Ellis. I think he is a fairly dominant DT at his position. He’s a penetrating up field 3 technique. There’s not a lot of e tech DTs out there that you can count on to give you 5+ sacks a year. Ellis, i believe, is one of them. Additionally, none of the 3 techs outside of Dareus and Fairly i think will be better at gap penetration than Ellis.
You can call me cookie cutter all you want, but if you need a run stopping DT, why draft one that isn’t quite suited for it? Sure you can slide the better guy over the guard, and the more space-eater over the center, but why do that if you can instead pick someone who is the much better fit to improve your team that much more at a different position?
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Sure you can slide the better guy over the guard, and the more space-eater over the center, but why do that if you can instead pick someone who is the much better fit to improve your team that much more at a different position?
If he “improved your team that much more at a different position”, then he would be the BPA on your board, not ranked behind the guy you’re considering taking. In the case of DT, if you think he’s better than Ellis AND the other DT, then you would be foolish to take the other DT. The left-right assignment is relative to the fortes of two best overall DTs on your roster. Same thing goes for Will and Sam OLBs. There’s no way in hell I’m bypassing the potential best of the three (Ellis included), just because he’s not suited to play the position opposite where the 2nd best (Ellis) currently plays, as the 3rd best. If I do that, I’m selling myself short. I now have B+C instead of B+A, assuming overall talent is represented alphabetically. B+C/C+B is NEVER going to be better than BOTH B+A/A+B. If it was, C would be > A. That’s like saying Ellis and Haynesworth would be a bad combination, because both are 3 techs. That’s bullsh**. The only reason they’re both 3 techs is because they’re both the best penetrating DTs on their respective rosters. In a 4-3, you obtain the two best DTs possible, THEN you sort it out. NOT vice versa. And Ellis obviously CANNOT be counted on to give you 5+ sacks per year, if he’s only done it once in three. Maybe he can, when lined up next to a guy like Liuget or Wilkerson. Or vice versa. Again, we’re talking about putting a premium on a first round space-eater when we have no linebackers to fill those holes, outside of Vilma!
On that side of the coin …
However, one guy can predicate the switch. You can’t just say, hey pick up Houston if he’s there and we can switch to a 3-4…as most of the rest of our personnel doesn’t fit.
I’ll assume you meant “can’t predicate”. When you’re talking about a 1st round talent on a team practically void of edge talent, one guy most certainly CAN predicate the switch. That’s the type of impact player you’re SUPPOSED to base your scheme upon. Most of the rest of our personnel … like who? Will Smith has played in the 3-4 under Haslett. Remi Ayodele has in Dallas. Scott Shanle isn’t even under contract, but he has also in Dallas and here. Vilma has with the Jets. Alex Brown hasn’t, but he’s not effective in the 4-3 either, so what does it matter? They’re just a bunch of so-so players that we’re looking to improve on anyway. On top of which, Gregg Williams isn’t going to be here long term. What I’m saying is, there’s a good chance the guy you draft at 24 is going to represent your best overall defensive player regardless, so why not just take the BPA and go from there? The rest will either fall into place and improve as a group, or we’ll continue to be mediocre in that area, until more difference makers can be acquired.
In short, outside of non-elite DBs, DT is the last defensive position I’m looking to address in the first round. That said, if push comes to shove and that’s the position we’re deadset on taking, give me the best overall DT, regardless of what his forte is. Same goes for OLB, only much higher up the list of wants … albeit moot, as the odds of the BPA actually being an OLB at 24 aren’t even worth discussing.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I just think a first round pick should be spent on a position that frankly has the potential to change a game. I don’t see that at guard or center but almost any other position applies. I agree with a BPA approach for the most part, but i temper that with some level of need.
A good running game can change a game and interior OL is crucial to that transpiring. Not as much as OTs and RBs, obviously. But we are talking hypothetical BPA, are we not? I get what you’re saying, but I definitely don’t view Gs and Cs in the same light as Ps and Ks. They’re not inherently off limits, just rare that they’d be considered that good coming out. Same goes for FBs. I’d have no problem drafting a FB in the 1st round, if he was being touted as the next Larry Centers and no one else graded out better.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Get what you’re saying and you make some really good points. I got my list of 300 or so draftable guys. I’m planning on sitting down and watching the combine 12 times over to see how people pan out and slide around. There’s always a lot of shift come combine time. People expected to go in the first slide to the second a lot as well as climb.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Iffy on Smith and Young for the same reasons, but wouldn’t pitch a fit. We need a big play WR and they at least have the potential to be that. I personally don’t consider A.J. Green very polished as a route runner either. No matter who you take, they’re going to have to learn the playbook from scratch.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Honestly, Meachem made me incredibly gun-shy in regard to first round WRs. Unless one of those guys is also great in the return game (i don’t know if they are) i’d probably rather pass and see if one of them may slide into the second.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Agreed, just not for the sake of taking a lesser overall player. Patrick Peterson is great in the return game, btw. Not that we have a snowball’s chance in Hell of landing him. He’d also likely start over either of our CBs, so the risk would probably outweigh the potential reward, a la Tracy Porter.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I would love to have Michael Bush. I dont know if Payloo would want him since he was arrested for DUI a few weeks back. I will leave my vote to the FO.
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Burn to death.
Oh wait, that wasn’t the question.
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by Jon Banks on Feb 23, 2011 2:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm a big fan of Quiz Show (Jacquizz Ridgers)
But I think he could be the next Reggie Bush. Freakish athlete, speedy, great at making people miss, but when everyone on the field knows you are going to try to juke the guy out of his shoes it doesn’t really work when you get to the NFL level.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
Someone may have already mentioned him
but what about Jason Snelling out of ATL. A FB/RB combo still pretty fresh. I am pretty sure he will be up for grabs.
"My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them."-Winston Churchill
Honestly whatever conditioning issue is going on with the franchise
needs to be addressed first. How many more players need to end up with the same 2-3 injuries before people Payton+ does something about it?
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by SarahT on Feb 25, 2011 3:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Kind of a hard thing to do.
Plus, it’s not like all our RB issues were singularly related. Bush and Thomas were both contact injuries you can’t prevent and Ivory has had hamstring injuries that go back years. I do agree, however, that we seem to have a bit more muscle related injuries than most teams seem to.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I know it goes way beyond it
but for some reason that issue is never addressed.
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I'm liking that Daniel Thomas kid. Cats be Wild!!
rotoworld.com:
Kansas State RB Daniel Thomas will not run at the Combine due to lingering problems with his left hamstring. The injury also kept him out of the Senior Bowl. That it’s lingered deep into February is a growing concern. Thomas, who compared himself to “Larry Johnson in his prime” at the Combine on Friday, plans to run at K-State’s March 15 Pro Day. He is Mike Mayock’s No. 2 running back, behind Mark Ingram. Worth noting: Thomas measured 6-foot-0 and 230 pounds at Friday’s weigh-in.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBld17O-d8E
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by Hans Petersen on Feb 26, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
He was the guy I wanted to see most at the combine. Terribly disappointed to learn he wasn't going to work out at all.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
It's a muted moot point
The Saints won’t take him in the first and he won’t be there in the second, where they probably wouldn’t take him anyway.
Why would you, as an athlete about to sign your first legitimate professional contract, run at the combine when you could maybe run a tenth or so faster at your school’s pro day 3 weeks later? Makes sense to me.
Give me hope, help me cope with this heavy load
I don’t care about watching him at the combine vs pro day for speed etc. I just wanted to watch him at the combine because i could watch him at the combine. His pro day won’t be televised and I won’t be able to scrutinize him and pretend I’m a very important NFL personnel man instead of an overweight, bald, computer geek with a scratchy beard.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
an overweight, bald, computer geek with a scratchy beard.
My deck needs sanding. Whenever you’re ready.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I would….but the geek part prohibits actual physical labor.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
What about Matt Forte. I believe he is a FA.
"My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them."-Winston Churchill

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