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24. Mikel Leshoure, RB Illinois - It's been said that the Saints shouldn't spend a first round pick on a RB, unless it's a player with the potential to be perennial Pro Bowler. In my opinion there are only two such RBs in this year's draft: Mark Ingram and Leshoure. Ingram will likely be gone. Leshoure may be a slight reach here value wise, but he definitely won't be around at 56 and Mickey Loomis has never exhibited a willingness to trade down, much less out of the first round. The RBBC approach continues, only now -- for the first time in years -- there's a legitimate NFL starter amidst that rotation. Say hello to the second coming of Deuce McAllister.
56. Jabaal Sheard, DE Pittsburgh - For those who cannot fathom the Saints passing on an opportunity to improve their front seven, here's a trio of target selections designed to do just that. While not the pure pass rusher Ryan Kerrigan or Adrian Clayborn is, Sheard is fully capable of bringing the heat in passing situations and grades out better against the run than either. One of Dave Wannstedt's favorite players at Pitt, Sheard has remained somewhat overshadowed by four year starter Greg Romeus throughout his career, but truly came into his own in 2010, garnering Big East Defensive Player of the Year honors. Anyone remember the last time the Saints opted for the second best overall Panthers' defensive player in the second round? Here's a hint: it was a year ending in a 1 and his beloved "hometown" was a coastal community in southeast Florida.
72. Mason Foster, SOLB Washington - Foster could very well wind up going in the late second, but I have a feeling either he or Nevada's Dontay Moch could slip through to us in the third. I'm going with the lower rated of the two here as the more likely scenario. If for some reason BOTH are still on the board, we should undoubtedly snatch up WOLB Moch (the better pure pass rusher of the two), then cross our fingers, hoping that Foster slides 16 more slots. As is, this pick should solidify our pass coverage against opposing TEs, which becomes even more critical this season, considering Jeremy Shockey's new home address within the division. Foster is a high motor guy, who is an absolute terror on special teams. Though his straight line speed is suspect, he compensates for it well with excellent recognition skills, and excels at forcing turnovers. He can also play inside in both the 4-3 and the 3-4, something that should not be taken for granted, with neither Marvin Mitchell nor Stanley Arnoux under contract.
88. K.J. Wright, WOLB Mississippi State - Again, I'd love to land both Moch and Foster. I just don't see it happening. Here's someone I do see lingering on the board in the late 3rd. Wright would be an immediate upgrade over Scott Shanle, who could still conceivably be retained as a backup with starting experience. Wright is considerably underrated as a pass rusher and has performed well against top flight SEC competition. On the whole, he represents the best "disruptor" likely to be available this late. Along with Sheard and Foster, I feel his acquisition would more than adequately compensate for our earlier reach on offense.
215. Dwayne Harris, WR/KR East Carolina - The seventh round is a complete crapshoot. I'm basically just going with someone who I think: a.) could still be available, and b.) would immediately help the team in some capacity. In truth, there are a number of RBs and WRs that double as return specialists. One in particular, Jeremy Kerley of TCU, falls in that late 4th to early 6th round window, in which we do not currently have a pick. If we DO somehow manage to trade back into the 2nd, still land Leshoure and recoup a pick or two within that range, Kerley is someone I'd strongly consider, as I feel he could also be a dynamic playmaker on offense. While Harris doesn't possess that sort of all-around upside, he's clearly a step up from Courtney Roby as a receiver, as well as a legitimate threat in the return game, both on punts and kickoffs.
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Nice writeup and mock...
Leshoure may be a slight reach [at the 24th pick] value wise.
If he actually becomes a “perennial Pro Bowler”, then I’d say we got away with a steal at 24.
"It's more than a handful. It's a handsful."
Hate the first round pick.
But I love the other picks.
Offseason Motto: Burn the damn black pants.
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by Jon Banks on Mar 11, 2011 11:39 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
BOOM
Rec’d IT!
What in the HELL just happened!?
by GESWhoseBack on Mar 11, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm....Boo....Boo....yea.....yea....sure why not.
I won’t get into Leshoure…let’s be honest, it’s just a personal not like for me. Though I wouldn’t be heart broken over the pick…it’s a poor display of value.
As to the Boo on Sheard….read below.
he was involved in a fight in July of 2010 in downtown Pittsburgh. Reportedly was ordered by police to stop but refused before being struck by a billy club several times. Continued to fight with suspect before throwing him through a glass door of an art store. Sheard was eventually pepper sprayed, arrested and charged with aggravated assault and resisting arrest.
In addition, he’s another one who plays the run much better than he does the pass rush. All things considered…I’d rather take a look at Brooks Reed, or Allen Bailey if he falls. Bailey I believe can be a beast with proper coaching…something most have stated it was obvious he didn’t receive at Miami.
As to a late round kick returner…don’t forget a local prospect for you guys…Phillip Livas. He averaged 26 yards a return last season on kickoffs including 1 TD for LA tech. He’s projected as a 7th round/UFA.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Oh...and FYI. Currently Scouts Inc - yea not of fan of them, but they're the easiest to get info from - Currently have Harris rated as a third round prospect.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I won’t get into Leshoure…let’s be honest, it’s just a personal not like for me. Though I wouldn’t be heart broken over the pick…it’s a poor display of value.
Taking Christian Okoye (35th overall) over Shawn Knight (11th overall) in 1987 would have also been a poor display of value. That doesn’t make it a bad pick.
he was involved in a fight in July of 2010 in downtown Pittsburgh. Reportedly was ordered by police to stop but refused before being struck by a billy club several times. Continued to fight with suspect before throwing him through a glass door of an art store. Sheard was eventually pepper sprayed, arrested and charged with aggravated assault and resisting arrest.
Hence his availability in the 2nd. We have worse offenders on the current roster.
In addition, he’s another one who plays the run much better than he does the pass rush. All things considered…I’d rather take a look at Brooks Reed, or Allen Bailey if he falls.
Neither Reed nor Bailey grade out better as a pass rusher. I specifically targeted the best pass rusher of the players projected to fall. He grades out better against the run than anyone we’d have a shot at in the first, and the combination or Sheard/Leshoure is imo better than any 1-2 DE/RB combo you can put together. There may be better interchangeable clones of what we already have available, but none of them are capable of carrying the running game alone, when Thomas, Bush and Ivory all go down again. That’s what I desire in a back.
Oh…and FYI. Currently Scouts Inc – yea not of fan of them, but they’re the easiest to get info from – Currently have Harris rated as a third round prospect.
FYI. Nfldraftscout.com has Harris projected as a 5th-6th round pick. There are others that are projected lower or not to be drafted at all. Doesn’t matter, he’s just a relatively fast WR that also returns kicks. There are at least a half dozen others in that vein out there and there probably aren’t even that many teams in the market for a KR.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Btw, Walterfootball.com has Leshoure going at 33 overall in their current mock. That’s only a 9 slots, which is less of a reach than Robinson was last year on the same site’s (final 2010) pre-draft projections.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I tell you what.....
Find a trade partner say….the Jets. Get a weak a$$ deal with them…say swap first round picks and we pick up a 4th or 5th. Draft Leshoure and everyone else you have and get a good value with the extra pick…and I’ll happily sign off on it.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Six slots?
Ok Jeffrey, how about this …
1. Paint your toenails.
2. Put together a three minute video of your feet.
3. I’ll get Rex Ryan on speaker phone.
4. Assuming there’s a player he wants at 24, we’ll offer him that pick, plus your video, for the 30th overall pick and adequate compensation. Which, according to <a href=“http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php” this trade value chart, is 120 points. Their 94th overall pick is worth 124 points. So, basically the price of your dignity is being set at a low 7th rounder. Sounds about right to me.
Now for the catch: If Leshoure winds up geting drafted by any team in the 25-29 slots … even if that team traded UP to get to that slot … and the absolute best RB/DE combination we can muster at that point is Christian Ballard and Shane Vereen … that’s when Rex and I get to take turns nutting on your feet.
Fair? Because that sounds like good value all the way around to me.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Fine, keep your over valued Leshoure then. No need to be insulting.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Kidding, cracker stacker. I just think you’re going a little overboard with slot value. I agree that they should at least attempt to draft him within his projected range, but if it comes down to no team wanting to part with a 3rd or 4th round pick for the difference in value, which is very likely. then I just don’t see the point in settling for a player you don’t personally value as highly as another. As a GM, at the end of the day, it’s the players that YOU value who make your team successful, not some general consensus. I can see if we were talking about taking Noel Devine at 24. That’s just ignorant and on a few different levels. Leshoure at 24 isn’t nearly that drastic.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
And the risk of someone jumping in between is very real. I would personally sh** a brick, if that happened.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I actually agree with CP on something
As a GM, at the end of the day, it’s the players that YOU value who make your team successful, not some general consensus
Tyson Alualu is a perfect example of this. The Jaguars traded up to take him tenth overall. He was rated late first-early second if I remember correctly. Mel Kiper, along with a number of other “experts” were surprised he went so early. Ultimately, he was the Jaguars guy. They valued him and he rewarded them, so far, by playing well
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
I wasnt too impresses by leshore at combine
Didn’t look that fluid when cutting. I haven’t seen him actually run in a game tho. I’d still prolly go for a pass rusher in first unless there absolutely aren’t any left. Were gonna have a 3rb rotation going into next year anyway I think.
Liked hearing more about our later picks and who might be there. All u ever hear are first round mocks.
Two Dat!! Who Dat!?
by ReggieVilma on Mar 11, 2011 12:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Were gonna have a 3rb rotation going into next year anyway I think.
I don’t doubt that whatsoever. Doesn’t mean you can’t improve upon the effectiveness and durability of that rotation,
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yea
But I don’t see them using a first rounder to add depth. They’ll get another project like Pierre and ivory were
Two Dat!! Who Dat!?
by ReggieVilma on Mar 12, 2011 12:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t look that fluid when cutting. I haven’t seen him actually run in a game tho.
He’s look beastly the couple of times I’ve seen him play. I’m not too worried about style points. We have enough finesse crystaline figurines as it is.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Haha. "crystalline"?
How bout we get a writeup on the kid cp. One of those player profile deals.
Two Dat!! Who Dat!?
by ReggieVilma on Mar 12, 2011 12:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I meant crystal. I just didn’t want anyone thinking hamburgers and taking it as a compliment.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Haha. I knew what u meant old man.
Two Dat!! Who Dat!?
by ReggieVilma on Mar 13, 2011 12:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You already know how I feel about Mikel Leshoure
Been preaching him as much as Jeff I.B. has been preaching Kerrigan.
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Mar 11, 2011 1:00 PM CST reply actions
Yeah that's what I figure. Like you Mock!
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Mar 11, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
very brave...
two LBs in one Saints draft! : P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
I mainly just wanted to demonstrate that the same needs can be addressed in an order different from the one most people are so seemingly dead set on. Ideally, we trade down a little, pick up another pick or two, maybe land Kerley and/or some much needed OL depth. I’m not opposed to that. What I am opposed to is another situation like last year, where we reach anyway, whiff on the durable back (Gerhart) we SHOULD have nabbed and suffer with an unbalanced offense all year (in large part) because of it.
In summary: it’s cool to like hamburgers, but think outside the bun.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Liked the mock
Maybe we could trade up in the second to nab leshoure if Ayers or Kerrigan is available at 24?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Mar 11, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions
No real ammunition to trade up with since players are off limits, unless we go with future picks.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Future Picks?
Hell no.
What in the HELL just happened!?
by GESWhoseBack on Mar 11, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
You have the wrong MS. State linebacker
He was outplayed this year big time by another MS. State linebacker
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Mar 12, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions
He’s also an ILB, a 6th round projection and tragically Caucasian. Thanks, but no thanks.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
He was a olb for 3 years then moved to ilb
Because he was the best lb on the team
And time will tell who the better pro is
And I know KJ wright and like him nothing against him at all
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Mar 13, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You’re also looking through the eyes of someone who knows that other MS State Linebacker personally….which means you’re hardly being objective.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
On top of which, ILBs are always going to have higher tackle totals based on the inherent centralization of their position. Despite that, the difference between these two is negligible. The only notable statistical difference in favor of Chris White is 2 interceptions. That too is to be expected, when you’re talking about an ILB versus a WOLB. In short, “outplayed” = at a decided advantage statistically, based on his position assignment. If he was a better OLB on the whole, he would have never been moved inside.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Because he was the best lb on the team
That doesn’t mean he’s a better OLB. Just like Jahri Evans is the best offensive lineman on the Saints. That doesn’t make him the best tackle.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Ok I can buy everyones argument that I'm too close and see this through rose colored glasses
But we will see
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Mar 14, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions

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