What To Do At Defensive End?
The last three seasons, excluding blitzes, our edge pressure on passing downs has been completely at the mercy of Will Smith's health. Going into the draft, I think defensive end has to be the position the Saints target to bolster their depth. If they don't go with defensive end very early in the draft (1st three rounds) that specializes in getting to the quarterback, I'll be disappointed. Currently on the roster are Will Smith, Alex Brown, Jeff Charleston and Junior Galette. While things are stable with those four, they're far from outstanding. Here's how I view each player:
Will Smith - I'm not really sure what to think of him at this point. When healthy, he's a solid player both against the run and rushing the passer. He's the most complete end of the bunch, and by far the most expensive. Smith agreed to a 6 year, $70 million deal of which he'll be entering in his 4th year this upcoming season. In his first 3 years of the deal, Smith posted a career low 3 sacks in 2008, a career high 13 sacks in 2009, and a second lowest output of his career in 2010 with 5.5 sacks. In both 2008 and 2010, Smith was suffering from what's been a reoccurring hernia issue, and while he was able to play with that injury it clearly affected his performance. 2009 was really promising and made it seem like he was worth every penny of that extension, and then 2010 was eerily similar to 2008 in it's disappointment. What we'll see from Smith in 2011 is anyone's guess, but there's a very realistic chance he'll miss the first four games due to that StarCaps suspensions.Alex Brown - He was fine in his first year with the Saints, but he didn't strike me as the long term solution at end. Despite 16 starts, he finished with a career low 2 sack output. His career high was 7 sacks, so it's not like he's ever been a premiere rusher by any stretch, but it was worth noting that he was particularly bad at generating pressure. While he was solid against the run and proved to a huge part of the Saints' run defense improvement, having him on the field on 3rd and long is a liability.
Jeff Charleston - He's one of those "high motor" guys that coaches always love, but he's not the type of guy that can be a long term starter. He's a solid role player, but that's probably it. He did finish with 3 sacks which was a nice contribution considering his limited playing time.
Junior Galette - In recent interviews Gregg Williams talked this kid up a good bit. He certainly showed superior pass rushing ability in preseason, but never really got a chance to showcase his skills in the regular season. Galette was a big reason why Bobby McCray was sent packing, so he has promise. Still, the fact that he didn't see the field at all last year leads me to believe he's still very much a work in progress.
The bottom line is this: we know we can't count on Alex Brown and Jeff Charleston to consistently put pressure on the passer. As mentioned in the first line of this post, Will Smith's health has a lot to do with how much edge pressure the Saints can muster. I think we'd all like to see Galette get a real chance this upcoming season, but beyond that, we need a guy that can generate pressure. Will Smith is likely going to be out the first four games of the season, so depth is as crucial as ever.
Are you on board? Shall we draft high a guy that can bring heat off the edge?
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We have very good rushers in the middle, but on the outside we really don’t have anything. Smith belongs over the RT, and the Saints need to draft a player like Justin Houston that can use his speed and long arms to get around the more athletic LTs. Just one player like that brings us from a mediocre DE group, to a very intriguing one.
"I've been big ever since I was little." - William "The Refrigerator" Perry
obligatory "Draft Ryan Kerrigan post from tlsk1066"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
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by tlsk1066 on Mar 5, 2011 1:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You continue to assume Smith will be suspended
1) The legal avenues havent been exausted yet
2) It is going to be a slap in the face of the Union right after a new CBA is signed (if there is one) or something that will hinder negotiations further if this mess goes on and on
Not gonna happen, not this season not ever
Bring the metal....
If Miller, Ayers, Ingram and Leshoure are all off the board, I’m fine going with the best available lineman, be it OL or DL. There are bigger needs based on departures, but it’s definitely an area that could use an influx of youthful talent. If DE is not addressed in the first round, they should continue to go the BPA route. Either that BPA will eventually be a DE, or all those incoming rookies will force a halfway decent pass rusher to shake loose elsewhere. The bottom line being that outside of the elite — which we stand zero chance of landing at 24, anyway — it’s the most plentiful position in the draft and UFA, both combined and individually.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Still think you’re way to high on Leshoure. I definitely don’t see him going in the first round.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Where do you see him going? If any time before the Saints 2nd round pick, I’m fine with the reach. Assuming Ingram is gone … trade down, someone else takes him and the RB position is as good as not addressed. Same situation as last year. Had you told me Gerhart wouldn’t have been there at 64, I would have been fine taking him at 32. Slot value isn’t nearly as important as on the field value.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Put it this way … I’d rather Leshoure + Foster (both within logistical reason), than any lineman likely to fall to 24 + any RB likely to fall to 56. If we didn’t have our two starting DEs returning, my priorities would be different. I don’t view Pierre Thomas as a starting RB in this league and I sure as hell don’t view any OLB we have as a worthy starter, either. Alex Brown is mediocre, yet still starting material. And he’ll be improved upon this offseason, somehow, someway. It’s just not as pressing as filling starting positions, imo.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
We just drastically differ in this opinion is all. I have Leshoure falling to the middle of the second round. A 20+ pick differential is way to big of a reach for me, especially with so many holes to fill in my opinion. I have Leshoure as my fourth best RB, and that’s obviously the main point of contention between us, that and the willingness to overreach. Honestly, at the end of all this I could have Leshoure falling out of my top at the end of all of this. I think he’s terribly overrated at this point. A solid late second, to early third RB that is going to wind up getting drafted too high and ultimately cost the team that does it.
Also unlike you…i don’t view Alex Brown as starting material. Not anymore. Given that our strength is clearly on offense…even if it isn’t balanced…and defensively we have more holes than swiss cheese…DE, OLB are the clear needs imo over an early round 1 and 2 RB. We’re an RBBC team, not just because of personnel but also due to offensive play sets. There are several excellent running backs he can help fill that need alongside Pierre in the 3-4th round.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
A 20+ pick differential is way to big of a reach for me, especially with so many holes to fill in my opinion.
Agreed, assuming there’s someone to trade down say 10-15 spots with. If not, then you don’t fill any more holes not reaching, than you reaching. I view Leshoure as a Mendenhall type back talent wise, who’ll probably wind up being more along the lines of Jonathan Stewart in this offense. That’s fine. In fact, that’s exactly what we need. No other RB (Ingram included) brings as much of what we lack in our backfield to the table. The only reason I’d take Ingram over Leshoure, is because Ingram is slightly superior in every category, aside from power. I don’t find him overrated whatsoever. If he winds up being taken in the mid to late second, he’ll wind up being a steal, just as I believe Gerhart will, before all is said and done.
I do agree that OLB is more of a need than RB. That’s why I said “if Miller and Ayers are gone”. Houston doesn’t excite me enough to rate above the two backs.
We’re an RBBC team, not just because of personnel but also due to offensive play sets.
No, it’s strictly personnel. And even if it wasn’t, RBBC shouldn’t be used as an excuse to employ inferior backs. Miami runs a RBBC with two former first rounders, as does Carolina. There’s no reason we shouldn’t have at least one (legitimate) back in our multi-head attack. If that involves tweeking the playbook, so be it. They tweeked it to where it is now, when Deuce went down and the offense was ranked even higher back then. If getting back to that involves retooling the Xs and Os, I’m fine with that. That’s what coaches are paid to do.
There are several excellent running backs he can help fill that need alongside Pierre in the 3-4th round.
Not any dependable enough to carry the running game solo, if when Thomas, Bush and Ivory all go down again.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Given that our strength is clearly on offense
Clearly? Nuh uh.
Offensive scoring – 11th
Defensive scoring – 7th
Offensive yardage – 6th
Defensive yardage – 4th
It’s 2011, Jeffrey.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
At least you spelled my name right…hate when people spell it wrong. Ultimately, once again, this comes down to how we both are viewing Leshoure. I’d much rather have Williams over Leshoure and potentially even Thomas, depending on how he recovers and looks come his pro day. If Miller and Ayers and Kerrigan are all gone I personally would like to see us trade down into the early second and hopefully pick up another third to fourth round pick. If we do that, obviously I won’t overly mind a Leshoure pick there too much.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Re: Alex Brown
Despite 16 starts, he finished with a career low 2 sack output.
As opposed to his career high of 7? Not sure what you were expecting. His career average going in was 5.4. Charles Grant had 5.5 in 2009 and averaged 5.9 over the same number of seasons. It was a parallel move at best, just as I predicted.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

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