2011 NFL Mock Draft: The New Orleans Saints Select...
by Dave Cariello on Apr 18, 2011 6:00 AM CDT
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PrintWith the twenty-fourth pick of the 2011 CSC Community Mock Draft, the New Orleans Saints (represented by Dave Cariello) select...
Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
This is the moment in our community mock draft that everyone has been waiting for: the Saints first-round selection.
I won't bother going into the teams needs because, well, we know them by heart. Simply put, I thought Kerrigan was the best talent available on the board at a position the Saints could really use improvement. In reality, I'm a little more than worried that Kerrigan won't fall this far in the actual draft.
That's really enough from me. I will let the "experts" do the rest of the talking since I've never seen Kerrigan play one damn down of football in my life and I won't pretend that I have.
- Height: 6'4"
- Weight: 267 lbs.
- Arm Length: 33 3/8 in.
- Hand Size: 9 1/2 in.
- College: Purdue
- Conference: Big 10
- Position: DE
From NFL.com:
Overview
Kerrigan is a beast of a football player that has the ability to be a difference maker at the next level. He appears to be versatile enough to play defensive end in a 4-3 and outside linebacker in a 3-4. He has the lower body strength to hold his ground in the running game and is a relentless pass rusher. He is a strip sacks specialist who became the Big Ten's all time leader in forced fumbles as a senior. There are questions whether he can play on his feet in space in the NFL, but Kerrigan is a likely a mid-first round pick.
Strengths
Kerrigan has good size and speed. Explodes off the line and plays with sound leverage to get under offensive tackles. Persistent pass rusher with great closing burst that has a knack for making strip sacks. Reads quickly and has a strong lower half which makes him stout against the run. Very productive.
Weaknesses
Lacks the elite burst and speed to consistently get around the edge. Does not show an adequate repertoire of pass rushing counter moves. Struggles at times to make plays in space. Lacks experience on his feet as an outside linebacker.
From Draft Countdown:
Strengths
- Good size with a nice frame and growth potential
- More quick than fast but has a burst to close
- Able to get around the edge and run the arch
- Strong, powerful and an outstanding bull rusher
- Has a wide array of moves in pass rush repertoire
- Competitive and relentless with a non-stop motor
- Good range and does a great job in pursuit
- Reliable tackler who can deliver the big hit
- More than holds his own versus the run
- Displays violent hands and uses them well
- Shows the ability to disengage from blockers
- Smart with terrific instincts and awareness
- Utilizes proper technique and understands leverage
- Super tough and will play through pain / injuries
- Productive with a knack for making impact plays
- Superb leadership qualities and amazing work ethic
- Offers some positional and schematic versatility
- Lots of quality experience and a great pedigree
Weaknesses
- Not a smooth athlete or overly explosive
- Average speed, agility and change of direction
- Ability to play on feet in space is a question mark
- May lack fluid hips and is unproven in coverage
- Some minor durability and health concerns
- Overall upside might be relatively limited
- May be a bit of a positional 'tweener
Combine Results
| Name | Position | College | 40 Yard Dash | Bench Press | Vert Jump | Broad Jump | 3 Cone Drill | 20 Yard Shuttle |
| Ryan Kerrigan | DE | Purdue | 4.71 | 31.0 | 33.5 | 122.0 | 7.18 | 4.39 |
Thanks to all the CSC members who participated in this years community mock draft. Without your help, none of this would be possible.
Below are the complete results from our community mock draft.
Catch up with all of the mock draft selections in our 2011 CSC Community Mock Draft Section.
| Pick | Team | Selection | Team Representative | Approval Rating |
| 1 | Carolina Panthers | QB Cam Newton - Auburn | DatFan | 35% |
| 2 | Denver Broncos | DT Marcell Dareus - Alabama | Jeff.l.b | 71% |
| 3 | Buffalo Bills | QB Blaine Gabbert - Missouri | SpreeGoogs | 52% |
| 4 | Cincinnati Bengals | DE Da'Quan Bowers - Clemson | coldpizza | 73% |
| 5 | Arizona Cardinals | CB Patrick Peterson - LSU | GRIZZ | 61% |
| 6 | Cleveland Browns | DE Cameron Jordan - Cal | theprogrammerman | 11% |
| 7 | San Francisco 49ers | LB Von Miller - Texas A&M | who dat patate | 68% |
| 8 | Tennessee Titans | WR A.J. Green - Georgia | shipgoalie05 | 48% |
| 9 | Dallas Cowboys | CB Prince Amukamara - Nebraska | saints fan in cowboyland! | 67% |
| 10 | Washington Redskins | WR Julio Jones - Alabama | VAsaintsfan | 56% |
| 11 | Houston Texans | DE/OLB Robert Quinn - UNC | Jon Banks | 62% |
| 12 | Minnesota Vikings | OT Tyron Smith - USC | HansDat | 46% |
| 13 | Detroit Lions | OT Anthony Castonzo - BC | NorthFan | 48% |
| 14 | St. Louis rams | DT Nick Fairley - Auburn | hakimdropstheball | 54% |
| 15 | Miami Dolphins | RB Mark Ingram - Alabama | SpreeGoogs | 48% |
| 16 | Jacksonville Jaguars | DE J.J.Watt - Wisconsin | Jay Preece | 41% |
| 17 | New England Patriots | OT Derek Sherrod - Mississippi St. | FriarBob | 27% |
| 18 | San Diego Chargers | DT Muhammad Wilkerson - Temple | DrewBreesManCrush | 39% |
| 19 | New York Giants | OL Mike Pouncey - Florida | mknkachow | 64% |
| 20 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | DE Adrian Clayborn - Iowa | iori125883 | 45% |
| 21 | Kansas City Chiefs | DT Phil Taylor - Baylor | YESSaints/iori125883 | 63% |
| 22 | Indianapolis Colts | DT Corey Liuget - Illinois | MobileSaint | 48% |
| 23 | Philadelphia Eagles | OT Nate Solder - Colorado | DeuceisLoose926 | |
| 24 | New Orleans Saints | DE Ryan Kerrigan - Purdue | Dave Cariello |
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If not Kerrigan, Ingram!
My, philosophy is, basically this. And this is something that I live by. And I always have. And I always will. Don't, ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who or who you are with, or or where you are going, or, or where you've been. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.
by GRlZZ on Apr 18, 2011 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
a.) If not Ingram, Leshoure.
b.) If not RB, OL.
c.) If not offense, I’m not passing on Ayers and/or Houston for Kerrigan, or for any other defensive lineman in this range. While there’s room for improvement at every position on this team, I honestly don’t care if we take a DE at all. As long as we drastically improve our OLBs (read outside containment), I think our defensive unit on the whole is good enough to make it back to the SB.
Not saying I have a problem with Kerrigan, just that he’s not going to be as immediate a fix to our overall problems, as the other positions I just mentioned. It’s 2011, people. Even with non-factors like Lunch Pale Shanle out of the equation, a 4th ranked passing (and 4th ranked overall) defense is not nearly as big of a concern as a 28th ranked rushing (and 6th overall) offense.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Apr 18, 2011 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
As long as we drastically improve our OLBs (read outside containment), I think our defensive unit on the whole is good enough to make it back to the SB.
That said, we can do this to some extent in any of the first three rounds. Ayers/Houston > DL is merely based on how I view our positional shortcomings (Bowers excluded). I’m sure Loomis’s individual player grading goes a little deeper than position-only criteria.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Good Backs can be found in the later rounds!!!!
With PT, Ivory, Hamilton and Bush (he will be back) there is no way we need to draft a RB in the first round. You can get great (yes I said great) backs in the 3rd round. Even then I’m not sure I’d take one. With no 4 – 6 round picks, I stay defense and O-Line unless we can pick up an extra pick by trading out of the 2nd or one of our 3rds.
by Saint for life on Apr 18, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Don’t waste your breath. You could have the most insightful and accurate statement of fact since E=MC^2 and he still wouldn’t listen.
I’m predicting the Saints will draft like this….Not saying I agree with this, but this is what I expect they’ll do…
1. LB
2. DE
3. WR – Once again….Not saying I agree with doing this, but I think this is what they’ll do
3. OL
7. Best Athlete on the board
by Saint for life on Apr 18, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
We have two 7th round picks.
I’ll guess …
1. RB (same “can’t rely on what’s broken” logic as CB last year) or OLB (biggest need in terms of a head count) (BPA between these two positions)
2. see 1 (sans duplication)
3a. OLB, OL, DE, DT, WR, QB or SS (BPA amongst these seven positions)
3b. OLB (sans triplication) or OL, DE, DT, WR, QB or SS (sans duplication) (BPA amongst these seven positions)
7a. see 3b.
7b. see 3b.
CB or ILB could be addressed also, but I doubt it.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Allow me to Clarify!
I do think that the Saints need another receiver. Moore and I think Henderson are scheduled to be free agents (correct me if i’m wrong) once the whole CBA thing is settled, but I think we have much larger needs
by Saint for life on Apr 18, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
My pecking order
1. DT or DE (Wilkerson or Kerrigan)
2. OLB (we HAVE to get Mason Foster, no excuses)
3. DE or DT (depends on if we draft Wilkerson or Kerrigan first and vice-versa)
3. OT (someone to groom at RT under Stinchcomb)
7. KR/WR (I have a feeling Payton’s seeking out a fresh pair of legs)
7. OLB (could get a late draft gem here)
We did draft one in the first round—Reggie. It just didn’t work out.
We drafted Deuce (pre-GM Mickey) It worked out, but was short lived due to injury.
We drafted Ricky Williams and results were mixed and injury was a problem.
What does it all mean? I’ll let everyone else decide. For me, there is nothing wrong with drafting an RB in the first round, but one must consider that RB tends to be a short lived career due to the physical toll on the position. On the other hand, typically it is a position that a player can make an impact imediately in year one.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
We drafted Deuce (pre-GM Mickey) It worked out, but was short lived due to injury.
He played 8 seasons, was hurt in 2 and gassed in the last one. I wouldn’t call it short lived. That’d be Bo Jackson.
Ricky Williams and results were mixed
Jesus1000. Why did you decide not to marginalize George Rogers?
The incense burned away and the stench began to rise
So, yeah, 5 years of productivity. Do you want to spend a 1st round pick on a player where, ignoring the washout rate of RBs to begin with, 5 years of production is considered a success? Not very often you don’t. And, hey, this may be the year we do it again. I guess my point was not to diminish Deuce’s accomplishments, but to hint at why more and more teams are waiting until later rounds to draft RBs. Equal bang for less buck.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I’d take Ingram in a heartbeat, if we were guaranteed 5 years of George Rogers level production. We won’t have a franchise QB beyond that. What was Barry Sanders doing for the Lions five years in, other than racking up career yardage?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Apr 18, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think we would all take that choice. But we aren’t guaranteed, and it could just as likely turn out to be Vaughn Dunbar rather than George Rodgers.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Color me crazy, but it seems to me like the success rate of RBs in the first is far greater than in any other single round. Sure, there’s success to be found (and not found) throughout the draft, but where do the vast majority of the true difference makers lie?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
We also aren’t guaranteed success at any other position, regardless of round. Should we just avoid the draft all together?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Hey now, before you get all revved up, I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. I’d love to draft the next adrian peterson. Maybe Ingram is that guy. Excluding offensive lineman, I agree with your feeling that all the other positions have a pretty similar washout percentage. It just seems to me that this year the available RB free agents are pretty talented. I just don’t want to whiff at RB. We need a good one too badly. On the other hand, we can afford to whiff or at least get a project at DE/LB and still have a good enough defense to win the SB as you pointed out earlier. Futhermore, if you consider that RBs have a short shelf life, even the good ones don’t give as much of a return on investment as another position might.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Futhermore, if you consider that RBs have a short shelf life, even the good ones don’t give as much of a return on investment as another position might.
As long as you’re not handing out ridiculous signing bonuses or guaranteed contracts, I think you’re getting what you pay for no matter how long their careers happen to last.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I meant why haven’t we drafted an impact RB in the later rounds? Other teams have. We haven’t. At least, not since the Mora years.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
So is our problem evaluating RB talent in general? Because we failed at the number two overall RB selection, too. When we started this thread, I thought we should draft an RB pretty early, but I’m starting to get talked out of it. Maybe we should just pick up proven free agent, and skip the guess work. After all, if it’s our biggest need, and we can all agree on that, then we can’t afford to miss on the RB we draft.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we should just pick up proven free agent, and skip the guess work.
AMEN!!!
(That’s been my mantra all along for any area of immediate need.)
"It's more than a handful. It's a handsful."
Maybe we should just pick up proven free agent, and skip the guess work.
$$$ Saints would like another Pierre Thomas. They’d REALLY like is an undrafted free agent like Priest Holmes. But too much dice rolling is involved there, they need to win now, the only answer is INGRAMANIA!!
I work for the union 'cause she's so good to me
And I'm bound to come out on top
We DIDN’T fail at the number two overall selection. We’ve failed with the UTILIZATION of the number two overall selection. Bush was drafted to be a complement to a franchise back, not to BE a franchise back. Why that devolved into “to complement any back capable of making the roster”, I have no idea. Bush excelled when he had a back of that caliber to work with. He hasn’t since. And no, I’m not saying he would automatically become Reggie circa 2006, if we draft Ingram. He’s had two knee surgeries since then. That said, it sure as hell wouldn’t DIMINISH his impact, assuming there’s still room for him on the payroll.
Regardless, Loomis has truly only attempted to draft one (1) potential franchise RB in the eight years he’s been a GM, that being Antonio Pittman. By my count, that’s 0-1. He has plenty of other opportunities to do so in later rounds and hasn’t. He’s 0-0 in first round attempts. I’d be willing to bet that all 31 other teams have at least ATTEMPTED to draft a franchise back in the first round over that same eight year stretch.
You can’t count Beanie Wells. That would be like saying “I’ve only bought three loaves of bread from Winn-Dixie and both were stale. That includes that one loaf I didn’t buy.”
You also can’t count Reggie. That would be like saying “I’ve only bought two loaves of bread from Winn-Dixie and both were stale. That includes that jar of peanut butter I bought.”
Antonio Pittman was stale. Most 4th round loaves are. It’s time to stop pussyfooting around, go back to the store and buy another loaf of bread. This time, on the day the bread was baked. i.e., in the first round.
If it’s still stale, THEN you begin to question why.
As is, all we know is that Mickey seems reluctant to buy bread at all. That and a few people we know have managed to luck out and buy fresh loaves well after they were baked. Well heck, there’s a reason to avoid a ninth consecutive fresh baked day, if I ever heard one.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I rarely say this about CP’s posts, but “EXCELLENT POINT!”:
Bush was drafted to be a complement to a franchise back, not to BE a franchise back. Why that devolved into "to complement any back capable of making the roster", I have no idea. Bush excelled when he had a back of that caliber to work with. He hasn’t since. And no, I’m not saying he would automatically become Reggie circa 2006, if we draft Ingram. He’s had two knee surgeries since then. That said, it sure as hell wouldn’t DIMINISH his impact, assuming there’s still room for him on the payroll.
…and it’s not anything against BCS’s post, he’s just pointing out a fact.
(NOTE: Last year I wanted us to pick up Thomas Jones in FA to be a workhorse to complement Reggie.)
"It's more than a handful. It's a handsful."
When I say “workhorse” I’m just talking about that CALIBER of back. Someone with the POTENTIAL to carry the running game. That doesn’t mean we have to use him in that capacity out of the gate. Carolina has DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. Both are first round talents. Both could probably be featured to a much greater extent than they are. They’re not and it’s paid off for Carolina, at least in terms of running production. Now, imagine that production at its peak + Brees at QB. Of course, we’re not even at ONE back like that, so it’s a bit of a stretch. Still, if they can do it, why can’t we?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
If completely healthy and playing within their niches, Ingram + Bush + Ivory + Pierre would be pretty damn close to Williams + Stewart + Goings + Hoover (or whoever their other two backs were then), I think. Even if you’d still give the nod to the Panthers, Brees over Delhomme would easily tip the scales.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
So why not try to get D. Williams in free agency?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Mainly because free agency won’t happen until after the draft (if at all) and I’m not hip on the idea of throwing away another year of Brees’s career rolling with the vanilla cr** we currently have. On top of which, Williams has only played one complete season himself, spent the majority of last year on IR and is reportedly favoring Miami as his destination of choice. I definitely like him as an upgrade talent wise, I just wouldn’t want to go out on a limb for any veteran back.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
If this was any other year, I would have exhausted that avenue in early March.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
yep yep.. this lack of free agency (before the draft) SUCKS
"It's more than a handful. It's a handsful."
The only good part about it … every other team is in the same position in not knowing what to expect. So, if every team that needs a RB drafts a RB, there should theoretically be a lot of UFA backs sitting around after the fact. Common sense tells you that most teams will just roll with the rookies, at least until they get hurt or fail to make an impact, being that it’s a cheaper option. That’s actually another reason why I think we should pull the trigger on one early on in the draft. While other teams begin to come to the realization that the crapshoot (later round) picks aren’t good enough to win with, we’ll be in a better place with our “bird in hand”. We can then get a jump on the more easily affordable fixes at other positions. Granted, that could backfire on us, if Ingram or Leshoure doesn’t work out, but barring catastrophic injury, who’s going to come to that realization so quickly with a first round pick? If anything, it will be a year or two from now before their worthlessness is apparent. Is ignorance truly bliss? That I can’t answer. But we know from history that QBs and RBs are always the first to go when the FA window first slides open. Would you rather be stuck with Antonio Pittman (worst case lower round) or William Green (worst case first round) in that situation? I don’t know about you, but I’ll take 887 yards and 6 TDs over a guy that doesn’t make the team.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Of course, if they go down in training camp, we may still have some halfway decent options out there. Not the cream of the crop, but better than Julius Jones and Ladell Betts on the wrong side of 30. That’s the silver lining to the whole late free agency scenario.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
We could also do both. Who’s to say we don’t draft Ingram and sign Williams, sending Bush elsewhere on a renegotiated sign and trade deal? Anything’s possible.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
thats kind of what I’m thinking. We are going to have to hedge our bet if we draft ingram. Our RB corps are too much of a liability to have everything resting on a rookie.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Mickey don’t like to part with the $$$ unless it’s Reggie. Or Drew.
I work for the union 'cause she's so good to me
And I'm bound to come out on top
agreed, but i think it’s time we parted with Reggie. D. Williams would be the perfect solution. Write the check. We’re in a superbowl window here, people.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And yes, I do realize that much of that stretch is due to the fact that we had a healthy Deuce at the time. Still, even four years of making due seems ridiculous, especially when you’re still hanging on to that precious effing jar of peanut butter.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
there is no way we need to draft a RB in the first round.
You’re right, we’re not required to. We’re also not required to draft in the first round at all. Nor are we required to post a winning record by season’s end. Trouble is, Mickey’s a rebel. He’s not about to let all these silly non-requirements stop him.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
It’s 2011, people.
BOOM
Even with non-factors like Lunch Pale Shanle out of the equation,Oh he’s still a factor. I believe he’ll be back.
The incense burned away and the stench began to rise
I honestly don’t mind if Shanle return. I just hope we have someone starting ahead of him. He needs to assume the Troy Evans role.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
That’s what I’m screaming
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 18, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
the only way....
I would be satisfied with not picking Kerrigan if he’s on the board is if we trade back, pick up a quality OLB with a high second and Jabaal Sheard. I’d love to see Mason Foster and Sheard as our first two picks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
I don’t know about first two picks, but I would love to see us land both of those guys.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
From everything I've read/heard/seen, I think
Jabaal Sheard is going to go high in the 2nd round. If we trade witha team looking to jump Seattle for a qb and get a high second rounder, we can use that on Sheard and use #56 or our WAS pick in 3 to get Foster… I would be more than happy with that scenario
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Solid Pick - If Available, but LB is the priority!!!!
I think he goes possibly to the Chargers at 18, but more likely to the Bucs at 20. I truly believe that Ayerss and Houston will both be there for us at 24 (at least one of them will be) and a LBer makes much more sense to me with Shanle in limbo and no other true starters in the lineup. We still have Brown, Gallette (who can play a lil DE) and Charleston so OLB makes much more sense. Besides, this has been a need for years as I know the staff would have prefered having Shanle’s versatility coming off the bench.
by Saint for life on Apr 18, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Galette technically IS a DE, he was “converted” to LB right after cut-down day but apparently that either didn’t stick or he got converted back, because he’s still listed as a DE everywhere I looked, including NFL.com, yahoo sports, our SBN roster here, AND the official Saints page. Plus he’s reportedly “bulked up”. If he was going to be a full-time LB, he would have tried to increase his lean muscle instead.
So while he might be able to play a bit of LB from time to time, I’d say that’s primarily only if we are in a 3-4 alignment. He’s a DE primarily. Which means for the rest of the post, you are right, we really need help at OLB more than we need DE. I understand if people aren’t “sold” on Ayers, but we need somebody at that position far worse than we need ANY other…
Much much prefer Aldon Smith
Much better athlete — if we’re taking a d-end he better be a pass-rusher. Otherwise, what’s the point?
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Big 12!! Big 12!! Unfortunately, Mizzou. NFL.com:
Does not possesses elite initial burst for an edge player.
The incense burned away and the stench began to rise
Draftscout.com disagrees
National Football Post has him way up there as well.
And either way if we’re not getting a pass-rusher, don’t take a d-end.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 18, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think at best Kerrigan could be a Ray Edwards (Also from Purdue) and I’d be fine with taking him at 24 overall, and at worst maybe like our own Jeff Charleston (a high motor guy that makes the most of what he can get, does anyone think he’s under-rated? I mean he had 1 more sack than Alex Brown and is a backup)
My, philosophy is, basically this. And this is something that I live by. And I always have. And I always will. Don't, ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who or who you are with, or or where you are going, or, or where you've been. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.
On the Jeff Charleston note: He also always seems to be making a play when he does get his chance…give him more time i say
My, philosophy is, basically this. And this is something that I live by. And I always have. And I always will. Don't, ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who or who you are with, or or where you are going, or, or where you've been. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.
Not a bad choice
I like Kerrigan. I say we take either him or Muhammad Wilkerson with Pick 24. AND PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT DRAFT MARK INGRAM. He’s got a bad knee and we already have a decent stable of RB’s (if healthy). Kerrigan or Wilkerson = I’m happy. Ingram = I’M ANGRY
Just like how Marcus Cannon has testicular cancer?
Phil Taylor has a degenerative disease, and Bowers leg will never heal. GMs/scouts release bad information in order to drop a draft pick’s stock.
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Ingram does not have a "bad knee"
Dude missed like 2 games earlier this year after a scope.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 18, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
OK. My turn
1st point. Why is Kerrigan the pick. He will be long gone before we get there. Went ahead and voted yes if he is still there. There you go Jeff that one is for you. By now everyone knows about my man crush, Leshoure, will probably still be available, and there is even a very slight chance that Ingram will still be there. Unless we can draft a plug-n-play DE, then I say we go RB. Yes, after much discussion, and analyst, abet with some prejudice, I’m switching to the CP team. We need a new Duece caliber RB. We don’t need to pick up some other worn out back from another team with injury issues. We have some good players on the defense and can find developmental players in the second round.
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Apr 18, 2011 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
My point exactly...
There is a lot of defensive depth in this years draft. If an Ingram or Leshoure is there in the 1st I say go for it.
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Apr 18, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
My problem is this. There’s no pass rushing depth out of the first round for 4-3 ends. Sorry…this is just the truth. There is, however, significant depth at RB in rounds 2-4. It’s all about how you want to prioritize. If we want to improve our pass rush from the DE position…it’s round 1 or bust. If we want to improve our RBs….it’s rounds 1-4. You keep saying I’m in love with Kerrigan…but i think you have me confused with Dave and the Kerrigansanity people.
I have no problem what so ever drafting Ingram or Leshoure. If we do that, however, we’re stuck with our mediocre pass rush for another year is all I’m saying. Good 4-3 OLBs and RBs can be found in rounds 2-3 this year, but only 1-2 pass rushing DE prospects, all of whom are going to be gone by the time the Saints pick in round two. So it all comes down to how you or I or Mickey or whomever decides to prioritize. If you value the RB upgrade more than the pass rush…you obviously go Ingram or Leshoure if they’re there. If you value upgrading BOTH the pass rush and the RB position in this draft….you have to go DE in the first in my opinion. I would prefer both.
That being said…there’s definitely some first round DE’s I would avoid. The only ones I would prioritize over Ingram/Leshoure are Quinn, Bowers, Aldon Smith, Kerrigan and Clayborn. If those five are gone…go Ingram/Leshoure…..if they’re gone as well…go OT. Priority being Castonzo, Smith and Carimi. If all 3 of those are gone…i’d go Ayers. If he’s gone…go BPA and we can all sit and bitch about it.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
by jeff.l.b on Apr 19, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
My thing is
I just don’t think Kerrigan is going to be enough of a pass-rush threat to be a real improvement in this department. Ditto Clayborn. Now Aldon Smith or Cameron Jordan I can get behind. Don’t think any of the others are going to be around.
If we’re going to take a defensive end that doesn’t give you much pass-rush, go ahead with Cameron Heyward. Has the size to move inside on third downs and give you some interior pass-rush even if he can’t do it from the edge.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If he can’t do it from the edge….ala Heyward…the only thing we’d use him for is inside on third down. That’s called a waste of a first round pick. We can already do that with Brown and Smith and Hargrove.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Taking a defensive end who doesn't help your pass-rush
When you already have ends that fit that description is a waste of one too.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Kerrigan would help the pass rush…Heyward would not. It’s simple….you think Kerrigan can’t rush the passer….I know Kerrigan can rush the passer. End of discussion really. You don’t like him…I think he is what he is…damn good.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Oh so now you "know" it
I see.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup…it’s called watching him for 3 straight years. I’ve seen over 20 Purdue games. You’re damn right I know he can rush the passer and make plays behind the line of scrimmage. GM’s know it too. But hey…congratulations on being contradictory. Nobody can say you’re a sheep.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
Well if you know
By all means, get on the phone with Loomis and pass on these slam dunks.
But tell me, if Kerrigan’s an elite pass rusher, why did the only elite tackle he face this season shut him out?
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea…cause you know…elite pass rushers get sacks every single game. That’s why the sack record in the NFL is at 47.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
He probably faced one LT all year last year
That he has any chance of seeing on Sunday. He had no sacks and no tackles-for-loss.
Clearly an elite pass-rusher.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You don’t like him…i like him….again…wasting typing skills arguing about nothing. I’m not going to convince you…you’re not going to convince me. All rather moot anyway…still don’t see Kerrigan getting out of the top 20.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
He's still a good player
That can help a team. But he’s not an elite pass-rusher, and that’s what we need. We already have ends that fill his role.
Doesn’t mean that other teams don’t.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hargrove’s not on the roster and I’ve never seen Smith or Brown play inside. Not saying they couldn’t.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I haven’t seen Smith or Brown play inside either…but they could just as easily as Heyward.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
A 270-pounder and a 280-pounder could do it
As easily as a 300-pounder?
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
On a third down pass rush situation….hell to the yes.
"Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not 'every man for himself.' And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
I have to agree. We’re talking bull rushing, not water displacement.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
No, but size/strength
Certainly helps in bull-rushing.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 19, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
rec
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Apr 19, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Kerigan a lot Jeff...
I believe Kerrigan can be drafted and put right into the line-up. Can’t say that about to many DE’s. He has great technique and is very coachable. I just don’t think he will still be there at 24.
When I say WHO DAT U say TWO DAT!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Apr 19, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a pick I can get behind
That or trading down for somebody like Ayers.
But a defensive end that doesn’t add to the pass-rush isn’t an upgrade over what we already have on the roster.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Apr 18, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing that Mickey doesn't read your faxes
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