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Are Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks the Best Guard Tandem in the NFL?

We know the Saints struck gold with both Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks in the NFL Draft. Nicks was picked in the 5th round, Evans in the 4th. And since then, it's been clear that both were easily worth a high first round pick based on what they've accomplished.

Nicks has been to the Pro Bowl once and Jahri has been twice. I watch tape of these guys and grade them on each game based on their individual performances, and by and large they always impress me as dominant players. But how do they stack up against the rest of the league?

While I'm familiar with the names and the players that are considered "good," I don't watch or pay close enough attention to guards on other teams to give you a fully educated opinion. That, plus I'm clearly biased. It's hard to isolate individual play on the offensive line in a general sense because there's no easy stats to point to and the only real recognition a guard gets is a Pro Bowl berth.

I don't watch other guards close enough to fairly compare them to our boys. Granted, both Evans and Nicks have recent Pro Bowl invites, so we could base our claim that they're the best tandem on the support of their peers. Still, I thought I'd turn to Pro Football Focus and see how they stack up against other tandems.

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Carl Nicks was actually rated last year as the top guard in the NFL with a 26.2 rating. Evans came out 31st overall with a 0.2 rating, mostly thanks to all the penalties he suffered (2nd worse of all NFL guards). Combined they had a 14.1 rating. That was the best combined rating in the league, with the Houston Texans (13.45), Atlanta Falcons (11.9) and San Francisco 49ers (11.6) behind them. Wade Smith of the Texans bumped that average up and he had two guys he was paired with that played reasonably well, but I'd argue that the Harvey Dahl & Justin Blalock tandem in Atlanta is more solid. 

If you go back to 2009, Jahri Evans led the NFL with a 34.0 rating amongst guards and Carl Nicks was fourth with a rating of 24.9. Obviously no one in the league averaged a score higher than their average with a whopping 29.45. Logan Mankins and Stephen Neal of the Patriots did average 25.45 together, Evan Mathis and Bobbie Williams of the Bengals averaged 20.1 together. Dahl and Blalock combined for a negative rating in 2009. Seems like the scores in general, according to PFF, were much higher across the board in 2009 than they were in 2010.

So there you have it. According to Pro Football Focus, the Nicks/Evans tandem has been the best graded tandem based on their play in both 2009 and 2010. By the way, the tandem ranked 4th in the NFL in 2008 according to PFF, behind the guard tandems from New England, Kansas City and New York Giants. Still, 4th best in 2008 and best in both 2009 & 2010 I think does nothing to dispute the claim that the Saints' pair of guards are the best in the league.

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the only real recognition a guard gets is a Pro Bowl birth.

birth – n. the emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother.
berth – n. job, position, place. ex. a starting berth on the team.

Also, how does 26.2 and 0.2 combine for a 14.2 rating? The average is 13.2. Just wondering how they arrived at that figure.

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by coldpizza on May 17, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Nitpicking already?

"My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them."-Winston Churchill

by cscmember on May 17, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

he makes good points

it’s like when a team is discussed as having one of the best-ranked overall defenses (based on yards allowed), but it’s misleading because the pass defense is terrible and the run defense is great…

averaging two very disparate items is tricky…

I’d also like to know more about how PFF came up with their rankings…

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by Hans Petersen on May 17, 2011 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pizza,

Andrew spelled it correctly, berth.

by tommy v on May 17, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he fixed it.

"My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them."-Winston Churchill

by cscmember on May 17, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity:

a.) What team has the highest rated starting offensive tackle combo in the league?
b.) Who is the highest rated non-starting guard and tackle?

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 17, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

oh so you want me to look stuff up for you after you continually bust my balls?

Oh sure, anything for you.

a) D’Brick and Damien Woody with the Jets

b) I’m not sure I understand you question. If you don’t start, you’re not really playing. It’s not like teams rotate guards and tackles. If you’re asking for a tackle that wasn’t a starter at the beginning of the season – Geoff Shwartz of Carolina played 5 games and had the best rating (he started in those games). Rich Seubert of the Giants was a highly rated guard that started 8 games.

by Andrew Juge on May 17, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you don’t start, you’re not really playing. It’s not like teams rotate guards and tackles.

They substitute on occasion. Zach Strief played in 14 games last year, while only starting two at tackle. I’m sure others around the league have seen action, particularly when starters are injured during the course of a game. You also didn’t say anything about the ratings being based strictly on gameplay. For all I or anyone else know, there could be practice and exhibition game evaluations involved.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 18, 2011 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

And yes, I realize that if a lineman gets hurt, his substitute is likely to start the next game, but there have to be situations where that’s not the case. What if someone just twists a knee or gets the wind knocked out of them? Or what if there simply isn’t a next game? Are you saying that no starting offensive linemen in the NFL were injured in Week 17?

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 18, 2011 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

P.S. pointing out a misspelling and/or asking a question is “busting your balls”? Seriously dude, try growing a pair first.

"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper

by coldpizza on May 18, 2011 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

"busting your balls"?

I figured thats what you were doing. Heh, what do I know?

"My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them."-Winston Churchill

by cscmember on May 18, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

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