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The Times They Are a-Changin'

When the Saints draft Mark Ingram with the 28th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, it was the lowest the first running back in the draft was taken in draft history (at least since 1970, which is when I quit looking and what wikipedia put as the "modern era" of football). The lowest a a RB has been picked besides Ingram was in 1984 when the Buffalo Bills selected Greg Bell with the 26th pick.  What's this say about the NFL?

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Could it be that just no team needed a running back until we traded up for Ingram? There were a couple teams (in my opinion) that could have taken Ingram much earlier and didn't. The Dolphins were a favorite since they were pretty much running back-less going into the draft.  That was pretty much the only team in that kind of position where it was a full on need, but other teams selected a RB fairly early in the draft that passes on Ingram the first time around, such as: Arizona (Ryan Williams 2.38) Detoit (Mikel LeShoure 2.57) and New England (Shane Vereen 2.56 and Stevan Ridley 3.73), New England even gave up their (2nd) first round pick to us instead of taking Ingram. So obviously some teams had a need for a running back, yet still passed on the (consensus) number 1 back in the draft.

The Dolphins later on took Daniel Thomas, and I'm assuming that he will be their #1 back by the start of the season with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown skipping town. They also reached when they took Mike Pouncey with the 15th pick in the draft when they could have taken Ingram with that pick or even traded down a bit. But really, when it comes down to the draft, if you want a player, you need to take him...even if it reaching a bit sometimes you need to pull the trigger. 

The Patriots chose to give us their 28th pick in the first round in exchange for next years first round pick and this years 2nd rounder (which they selected Vereen with). I wonder if they knew who we were taking with that pick and just let us have Ingram or if like Coach Sean Payton put it, (I'm para-phrasing since I can not find the exact quote): "We told them the guy we wanted was still there and made they made a deal with us". So I wonder if we just didn't tell them that it was Mark Ingram and hope they just assumed that it would be someone else. But that's not good for business and it seems as if SP and Hoody have a pretty good relationship so why spoil that? So I'm pretty sure the Patriots knew we were taking Ingram with that pick and were ok with taking a RB later on (the 7th ranked RB according to CBS SPORTS with Vereen) that maybe fit their system and draft wants at that time.

So why the fall in the running back position this year? Is Ingram and this class really that bad? I mean Ingram is a former Hiesman trophy winner and would have been in contention again this past year if he wasn't injured and Trent Richardson didn't show up. So are the times changing? The NFL is maybe becoming more of a passing league year after year. And more and more RBBC's keep popping up all over the place, so maybe the RB position is just becoming less of a need when you can just have a stable of backs to do your bidding. What did we get when we drafted Mark Ingram? Hopefully someone who can stay healthy and produce solid numbers at the position that is almost fast becoming a multi-player position.

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Who would you rather?
Mark Ingram this year
35 votes
Trent Richarson next year
6 votes

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you can decipher that any which way you’d like, either take the trade back into the first round into consideration or what we’d have to do to get Richardson…

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by GRlZZ on May 18, 2011 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Ingram now

I dont think Richardson will fall to the 32nd pick next year.

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by cscmember on May 18, 2011 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

group-think: The practice of thinking or making decisions as a group in a way that discourages creativity or individual responsibility.

rotoworld.com:

NFL.com’s Gil Brandt believes “history will show” Saints RB Mark Ingram as one of this year’s draft steals. “I think of him in relation to Emmitt Smith in terms of style, and I think he’ll be a successful RB for the Saints,” writes Brandt. “He’s got great character, and that is a big success factor as well.” If not for the current NFL group-think that has teams steering clear of tailbacks early in the draft, Ingram would have been a legit top-15 pick.
Source: NFL.com
May 17, 9:00 PM

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by stujo4 on May 18, 2011 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I wonder when that started exactly, If it was a specific group of players that just didn’t cut it, one player that was a bust, or just a random “superstition” that has swept the league. If a guy like Jonathan Stewart can go in the top 15, Ingram should be able to.

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by GRlZZ on May 18, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

undrafted

Pierre Thomas
Chris Ivory
Arian Foster
LeGarrette Blount
Fred Jackson
BenJarvus Green-Ellis
Danny Woodhead
P.J. Hill
Herb Donaldson
Willie Parker
Kareem Huggins
Keiland Williams

I’m probably missing 10 more.

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by stujo4 on May 18, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

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by GRlZZ on May 18, 2011 3:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Only two of which (Foster and Parker) have shown the ability to shoulder a full workload. If you’re right about there being 10 more, that’s a .091 batting average. Something tells me the 1st round grades out a little higher in that light.

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by coldpizza on May 19, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Differing ideologies. FBs aren’t drafted in the first round anymore because: a.) the position appears to be falling by the wayside, and b.) there’s not enough turnover at the position (most teams don’t keep more than one, if any at all) to create that sort of demand. Centers and guards are seldom chosen in the first, as their skill sets are generally similiar. I personally think the same could be said of most MLBs, ILBs and DTs, but for whatever reason, that opinion hasn’t carried over. I’m sure it will eventually. Of course, there’s always going to be 32 picks or so in the first and there aren’t enough elite players at crucial positions to satisfy that count, so there’s bound to be give and take based on overall grades amongst those lessers. As far as RBs go, once head coaches start to realize that it isn’t the teams throwing the ball in excess of 55% of the time that are winning Super Bowls, but rather the ones that are committed to a balanced attack, more emphasis will be placed on durable, productive RBs. Either that or teams will start carrying less WRs and more RBs. 5 and 5 might become more common, if these RBBC drones keep dropping like flies.

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by coldpizza on May 19, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Voted Ingram

Richardson has a very good chance of being the top RB drafted next year. That dude is a beast! He’s been very impressive and I expect he’ll get drafted somewhere in the top 20.

I’m still happy we got Ingram, though.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on May 18, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

thats what we thought about Ingram too..

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by GRlZZ on May 18, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Win Now

Wingramania

Win Now...
WINGRAMANIA

by Hans Petersen on May 18, 2011 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hot Wingramania

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by coldpizza on May 19, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh…i just had wings for lunch…no more wingramania please..

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by GRlZZ on May 19, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

RBs are still important in the NFL...

It’s just that more teams are going with the running back by committee train of thought. And we were one of the teams to pioneer this approach, abet not so much by choice last year.

INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012

by cajuncommando58 on May 19, 2011 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

The position is losing its value. Yes the NFL is now a “passing” league, but besides that, RB’s aren’t known for longevity. Just about every team uses 2-4 RB’s. The only teams that use predominatly one RB are the ones with that freak a la Stephen Jackson or Adrian Peterson— and even then, they are trying to find another RB to split the duties with.

Unless someone stands out with explosion AND size, teams kind of shy away from picking a RB in round 1. Can we really say Ingram is so much better than Daniel Thomas? Can the guy can create opportunities/change the game despite scheme and blocking? Will the guy succeed in any system? Does he run as well inside as outside? Ingram has shown he can do it all, as well as contribute very well in the passing game.

I can’t knock the pick, or the trend of not picking RB’s in round 1. Both have their merit. Though I do wonder how different it would be if the Saints took Daniel Thomas in round two and still had next year’s first. Or better yet Martez Wilson and Mason Foster with 2 and 3, and a RB with the second 3rd.

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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on May 26, 2011 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

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