Could Chris Ivory Be Trade Bait?
The Saints currently have four running backs on the roster that are, barring injury, essentially guaranteed roster spots in 2011 - Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas, Reggie Bush and Chris Ivory. Yes, Reggie's status is still in limbo but based on the recent comments in the media made by both the Saints brass and Bush himself, I think it's safe to say there's a decent chance he's coming back. For the time being, too, he's under contract. We're not even talking about Lynell Hamilton, a proven runner and special teamer who is currently a longshot because he's coming back from a serious injury.
The five guys I just listed all have an injury history. Based on the way last year played out and the rash of poor health the Saints have had at the position, the current thinking is they'll hang on to as many capable runners as possible. At what point, though, if they all remain healthy (unlikely I know), do the Saints decide to bolster their depth elsewhere? That makes me wonder if Chris Ivory could be a perfect trading piece.
Let's consider the facts: Chris Ivory is not the type of guy on paper that you might expect to be a Saint. He showcased a checkered past from a character standpoint, had serious ball security issues and could not stay healthy for even one season in college. That's how he was able came to the Saints as an undrafted rookie. No one expected it to all come together for Ivory in his rookie NFL season and yet he led the team with 716 rushing yards and an extremely impressive 5.2 yard per carry average.But that's just it: his stock has never been higher. The Saints may never get a higher return on Ivory than they could right now, especially when you consider how minimal his contract is. Despite that big year, he managed to hurt himself a couple times and played most of the year with a banged up hamstring. The injury history with Ivory is still as much of a concern as ever, and while being behind Pierre Thomas and Mark Ingram in the pecking order for the bulk of carries should help his durability, you have to think he's a ticking time bomb given his vicious running style.
Do the Saints even want Ivory now that they've secured Pierre Thomas long term and drafted Ingram? The big question, again, is injuries. Obviously if either PT or Ingram go down for any length of time whatsoever next season, especially early on, the need for Ivory increases. In fact, I'd argue that Ivory is a superior short yardage guy to those two and in some down/distance situations Ivory would be the best back on the roster.
But maybe it's the naively hopeful person in me that wants to believe there is no way the Saints are going to get decimated with injuries at running back like they were last year. I know Hamilton/Bush/Ingram/Thomas/Ivory often get hurt, so you have to consider the track records. But still, I can't imagine the Saints are going to be stuck starting Ladell Betts again after five straight guys ahead of him go down. I sure hope not. Did I just inadvertently curse the Saints?
Point being: the return on Ivory may never be better and if Lynell Hamilton proves he's recovered from his injury, he's a more useful No. 4 back to the Saints with his special teams prowess. Ivory becomes less useful as a No. 4 back because he'll be behind Pierre Thomas and Mark Ingram in the pecking order. I don't need to tell you guys by now that the reserve players on your roster need to contribute on special teams. All NFL teams have limited roster spots and if you're not a feature back on a team, you need to contribute in other areas. Ivory is the best power runner on the roster, but it's not like Hamilton can't fill the role admirably in that department, too.
This is obviously a moot point if Pierre Thomas has an ankle setback in pre-season, but if the Saints go into the 2011 season with everyone healthy, would you take the 3rd round pick return the Saints would potentially get for Ivory?
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While I do agree that trading Ivory would make sense (SELL HIGH!), I don’t think we’d get much for him. Maybe a 6th round pick that could conditionally become a 5th … provided we agree to include a 7th, if that occurs. We’d also have to agree to change our mascot’s name to Dave. Probably not worth it. Regardless, I don’t see Hamilton beating out Bell for the 3rd/4th RB spot. And I’m far from convinced that Reggie will still be with the team this year, no matter what harmonious semantics are currently being tossed about. Prior to the situation being properly addressed, not tipping your hand would seem to be the prudent approach from a PR standpoint, in which case naivity could easily be factoring in.
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I think we could get a 4th for him
Chris Ivory’s potential > David Thomas’ potential and we gave up a 4th for him. Of course, we were a bit desperate at the time, but someone could get desperate for a RB….oh, wait, we’re desperate for a RB. Keep him.
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We gave up a 7th that turned to a 6th for the Baconator.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Patriots-picked-up-a-sixthrounder-in-David-Thomas-trade.html
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I think we should shop him.
But doubt we get anything worth while.
by xen-cuts on Jun 2, 2011 5:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Though it doesnt sting as much losing both those players
because we still got to the playoffs and gained a valuable PF in Landry. Losing Ivory would be a blow in my opinion. If any RB is expendable its Reggie or Hamilton. Ivory and Ingram are our RB 1 2 punch of the future in my opinion.
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by born in areacode 318 on Jun 1, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
no!!! if you want to get something in return
you trade PT,or RB
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Thomas and Bush carry hefty contracts. Very few teams in the league are looking to pay that sort of money for a change of pace back, which is all any of our backs would be (save Ingram) in most systems.
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PT's contract isn't terrible...
but you’re right, no one’s going to pay a price we would want for guys with their sized contract.
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Injury prone due to running style.
Those days are gone forever
I should just let 'em go, but...
I have a soft spot for Ivory. I think he runs with reckless abandon, which is why he hurts himself so much. But I believe with another year in the system, Ivory will become more versatile. It took Pierre much of his first year to learn the intricacies of Payton’s offense and pass protections and such. When Ivory was in the backfield, most defenses figured we were running. Maybe now it won’t be so, which would make him more dangerous. Everyone remembers the pass he caught against the Titans, but can you imagine Ivory becoming a viable threat out of the backfield and a capable blitz picker upper?
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 1, 2011 9:54 AM CDT reply actions
can you imagine Ivory becoming a capable blitz picker upper?
No. I can imagine him strapped to a gurney after trying his damndest to become one, though.
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by coldpizza on Jun 1, 2011 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Chances are Ivory will start on PUP
So that trade value is even lower to start with…
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I don’t think your assessment of Ivory having a “checkered past from a character standpoint” is accurate. His dismissal from Washington State was based on his arrest (made hours after the fact) for hitting someone over the head with a bottle during a fight at a frat party. To my knowledge, the case still hasn’t gone to court and he supposedly has a host of witnesses who will testify he was no where near the party at the time of the incident. His coach at Tiffin (who was also one of his coachs at Washington) gave him an “enthusiastic recommendation” to the Saints for both his ability and character, indicating he felt his dismissal from Washington had more to do with injuries and a coaching regime change than it did a concern with his character.
Also, if I’m not mistaken, his mother was a Deputy in the Sheriff’s department in Lonview, TX where he grew up. That, in and of itself, doesn’t guarantee her son having good character but it does make it more likely.
Help me out here….. what’s funny about “enthusiastic recommendation”? It’s a direct quote from an article I googled prior to posting my comment. I was hoping to find something that might give a dispostion on the original charges but I couldn’t find anything.
I do recall when S.P. was asked about the “character issue” in a press conference last year, he said the orgainization had looked into the charges and didn’t feel there was anything to it (or words to that effect).
I also recall Ivory’s defense at the time was simply a case of mistaken identity….. not that there’s any chance that a bunch of drunk frat boys could possibly think all large black guys with dreadlocks look alike.
For all I know, he may be guilty of the assault charge. Assuming he is guilty, when I reflect on my college years, I’m not sure that getting in a fight at a keg party is as much an indication of a character flaw as it is an indication of immaturity. As far as I know, that’s the only question that has come up regarding Ivory’s character. If anyone else knows something more, I’m all ears.
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by Dave Cariello on Jun 1, 2011 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Ivory because he runs hard...
Probably gonna be a short career though, hey look every body I got career right, so I guess I’m in the use him up fraternity.
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until Ivory demonstrates he is healthy
and recovered from the last injury he sustained and required surgery, he won’t have much trade value. Keep Tusk
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He won't be valuble until into the season
even if there was a preseason and there were some injuries. a 5th round pick would be by far the best you could hope for. Just does not make sense.
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by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 4, 2011 12:41 AM CDT reply actions

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