Canal Street Chronicles Roster Revamp II - The Draft
by coldpizza on Jun 8, 2011 4:40 PM CDT
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PrintThe draft must consist of one player each from the other 31 NFL teams. I will periodically update the three sections below the jump of this original post to reflect what is still needed, in regards to positions and/or teams. I will also comment on the most recently updated selection, so everyone knows where we stand.
Each participant will have 24 hours from the time of the pick before his/hers in order to make their selection. If I have yet to update the depth charts and/or NFL team list from the pick(s) prior, be sure to keep those selections in mind when making your own pick. You may include a picture of the player, if you wish. You may also give a brief explanation as to why you chose that particular player, if you wish. Neither is required.
If a player you select is versatile enough to man multiple positions, be sure to bring that up. It may prevent someone else from wasting a pick on another position down the line, if he/she realizes that the roster coverage is already there.
Keep in mind that the player you select ultimately eliminates all other players from his NFL team from draft consideration. To afford your fellow Saints GMs as much flexibility as possible, it might be a good idea to tackle the less talented teams first and to refrain from completely filling any one position, at least until it can no longer be avoided.
Players are to be considered members of the last NFL team they signed a contract with, not necessarily the last team they played for. For example, Shaun Rogers cannot be drafted as a Cleveland Brown. Rookies are the only exception to this rule. They are to be considerd members of the NFL team that drafted them. As such, 2011 UDFAs cannot be selected.
If anyone misses their turn, selects out of order or selects a player outside of the roster guidelines set forth, they will be removed from the draft rotation. We will continue until all roster spots have been filled accordingly. If you're not participating or it's simply not your turn, feel free to chime in with your opinions (including criticism) of the selections as they're made.
CURRENT DRAFT ORDER (subject to change)
1. cscmember - Ndamukong Suh, DT Detroit Lions
2. Northfan - Jordan Gross, OT Carolina Panthers
3. saintfever09 - Clay Matthews III, OLB/DE Green Bay Packers
4. Jon Banks - Mario Williams, DE/OLB Houston Texans
5. GRIZZ - Patrick Willis, ILB San Francisco 49ers
6. Jimbo03 - Joe Thomas, OT Cleveland Browns
7. Preston J. Gary, Jr. - Haloti Ngata, DT Baltimore Ravens
8. Ponysaints - DeSean Jackson, WR/PR Philadelphia Eagles
9. snowboard_kat - Eric Wood, C/OG Buffalo Bills
10. jeff.l.b - Darrelle Revis, CB New York Jets
11. were gonna need a bigger boat - Elvis Dumervil, DE/OLB Denver Broncos
12. Andrew Tessier - Eric Berry, SS/FS Kansas City Chiefs
13. mississippisaintsfan - Patrick Mannelly, LS/C/OT Chicago Bears
14. theprogrammerman - Adrian Peterson, RB Minnesota Vikings
15. J of the F - Larry Fitzgerald, WR Arizona Cardinals
16. Dang Hu Dat - Antonio Gates, TE San Diego Chargers
17. BASAINT - Jake Long, OT Miami Dolphins
18. metryman - Dez Bryant, WR/KR Dallas Cowboys
19. cajuncommando58 - Sam Bradford, QB St. Louis Rams
20. coldpizza - Chris Snee, OG New York Giants
21. Jay Preece - Montell Owens, FB Jacksonville Jaguars
22. Breesus Christ Superstar - OTC until 20:45 CDT Wed
23. Ezio_Auditore
24. cscmember
25. Northfan
26. saintfever09
27. Jon Banks
28. GRIZZ
29. Jimbo03
30. Preston J. Gary, Jr.
31. Ponysaints
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PROJECTED DEPTH CHART (set to my discretion)
QB (2 of 2/3)
Drew Brees, Sam Bradford
HB (3 of 3/4)
Adrian Peterson, Mark Ingram, Pierre Thomas
FB (1 of 1/2)
Montell Owens
WR (6 of 5/6)
Larry Fitzgerald, Marques Colston, DeSean Jackson, Dez Bryant, Robert Meachem, Lance Moore
TE (2 of 2/3)
Antonio Gates, Jimmy Graham
OT (4 of 4/5)
Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Jordan Gross, Charles Brown, (Carl Nicks)
OG (3 of 4/5)
Jahri Evans, Chris Snee, Carl Nicks, (Eric Wood)
C (2 of 2/3)
Eric Wood, Patrick Mannelly
DE (4 of 4/5)
Mario Williams, Elvis Dumervil, Will Smith, Cameron Jordan, (Clay Matthews III)
DT or NT (3 of 3/5)
Haloti Ngata, Ndamukong Suh, Sedrick Ellis
OLB (3 of 4/5)
Clay Matthews III, Martez Wilson, Jonathan Casillas, (Mario Williams), (Elvis Dumervil)
ILB or MLB (2 of 3/5)
Patrick Willis, Jonathan Vilma
CB (4 of 5/6)
Darrelle Revis, Jabari Greer, Tracy Porter, Patrick Robinson, (Malcolm Jenkins)
FS (1 of 2/3)
Malcolm Jenkins, (Eric Berry)
SS (2 of 2/3)
Eric Berry, Roman Harper
K (0 of 1)
vacant
P (1 of 1)
Thomas Morstead
LS (1 of 1)
Patrick Mannelly
PR (1 of 1)
DeSean Jackson
KR (2 of 2) (should be included at another position)
Dez Bryant, Pierre Thomas (could still stand an upgrade)
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NFL TEAMS REMAINING
Atlanta Falcons
Cincinnati Bengals
Indianapolis Colts
New England Patriots
Oakland Raiders
Pittsburgh Steelers
Seattle Seahawks
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tennessee Titans
Washington Redskins
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I'd suggest to him to take a tackle.
We only have one. It makes sense.
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Make it a good Tackle from a bad team then. If he doesn’t, I have the perfect pick in mind.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
The Browns tackle.
I can’t think of his name. But he’d be perfect.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
I’d rather Cribbs than Joe Thomas from the Browns. I’m thinking a little closer to our team.
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Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
And I'd rather Hester than Cribbs.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
Hester makes more sense as a WR, especially when you factor in Thomas.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I could probably name 30-40 WR i’d rather have thanks. At least one of them could return a kick.
"Winter is coming"
I agree. I just meant between Hester and Cribbs. Jackson’s still the best dual threat available, imo.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
From a punt return aspect…yes.
For an all around returner that can contribute in the passing game and running game….don’t forget Percy Harvin.
"Winter is coming"
Thanks for the suggestion. My mind was made the moment I made my list.
Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan
This selection was easy for me. He is a threat at DT and kicking extra points. Guess who?
Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan
OOOOH
I forgot about Suh.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
Ndamukong Suh
Yes I had to copy and paste his name.
Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan
Jordan Gross, OT, Carolina Panthers
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
You robbed us all of their all pro linebacker whatshis face.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
This.
I’m not good with names right now.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
I'm not liking the fact that we locked up Will Smith.
So many more DE’s I’d want instead.
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I’m with ya. If I was’nt in such a hurry to be #1 I would have read the rules. My roster would have been different to say the least.
Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan
I wish more people would have voted for Justin Drescher. It sucks having to waste an entire NFL roster on a long snapper.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Whoever drafts our centers should do their homework. If we can get one that doubles as a LS, that will save us a roster spot. Then we’ll just need 2 instead of 3.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Good luck…to my knowledge there isn’t a single LS that’s a starting center in the NFL.
AFC East
Garrison Sanborn (Buffalo Bills)
John Denney (Miami Dolphins)
Matt Katula (New England Patriots)
Tanner Purdum (New York Jets)
AFC North
Morgan Cox (Baltimore)
Clark Harris (Cincinnati Bengals)
Ryan Pontbriand (Cleveland Browns)
Greg Warren (Pittsburgh Steelers)
AFC South
Jon Weeks (Houston Texans)
Justin Snow (Indianapolis Colts)
Jeremy Cain (Jacksonville Jaguars)
Ken Amato (Tennessee Titans)
AFC West
Lonie Paxton (Denver Broncos)
Thomas Gafford (Kansas City Chiefs)
Jon Condo (Oakland Raiders)
Mike Windt (San Diego Chargers)
National Football Conference
NFC East
L. P. Ladouceur (Dallas Cowboys)
Zak DeOssie (New York Giants)
Jon Dorenbos (Philadelphia Eagles)
Nick Sundberg (Washington Redskins)
NFC North
Patrick Mannelly (Chicago Bears)
Don Muhlbach (Detroit Lions)
Brett Goode (Green Bay Packers)
Cullen Loeffler (Minnesota Vikings)
NFC South
Joe Zelenka (Atlanta Falcons)
J. J. Jansen (Carolina Panthers)
Justin Drescher (New Orleans Saints)
Andrew Economos (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
NFC West
Mike Leach (Arizona Cardinals)
Chris Massey (St. Louis Rams)
Brian Jennings (San Francisco 49ers)
Clint Gresham (Seattle Seahawks)
"Winter is coming"
Kendall Gammon was the only one as of 2004, according to this article. Regardless, one of the guys you listed above has to at least be the backup center on one of those teams. DeOssie is a backup OLB, if that’s the best we can do. The Giants have better talent, but so do all teams.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Ok, got a list:
Sanborn backed up Hangartner (Buffalo Bills)
Denney backed up Berger (Miami Dolphins)
Cox backed up Birk (Baltimore Ravens)
Weeks backed up Myers (Houston Texans)
Snow backed up Saturday (Indianapolis Colts)
Cain backed up Meester (Jacksonville Jaguars)
Paxton backed up Walton (Denver Broncos)
Condo backed up Satele (Oakland Raiders)
DeOssie also plays OLB (New York Giants)
Dorenbos backs up McGlynn (Philadelphia Eagles)
Sundberg backs up Rabach (Washington Redskins)
Mannelly backs up Kreutz (Chicago Bears)
Looks like we have 12 options. One of these guys + a stud starting center should be a wrap at both positions. Normally, I would say avoid Cox, Snow and Mannelly, simply based on the true center you’d be ruling out, but all those guys (Birk, Saturday and Kreutz) are 33+ years old. Still, there’s other Ravens, Colts and Bears to consider. This one’s bound to be a tough decision for someone.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
check that, Adam Treu was
Center Adam Treu of the Oakland Raiders is the only NFL starter still long snapping. A few snappers have other roles. During the 2003 and 2004 seasons, Jeff Robinson of the Dallas Cowboys had four touchdowns on four catches as a third tight end; Bartrum has a touchdown as Philadelphia’s third tight end this year. But most just snap, maybe 10-15 plays a game.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
To continue my CPesque commenting,
Can we take a player who could play at multiple positions? Like Mario Williams who is now both a DE and OLB in a 3-4?
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
^how would you manage that I should say.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
Play them in their best spot. I’d rather Williams as a 4-3 end than a 3-4 OLB.
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Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
As would I, but I wanted to know how CP wanted to do it, since he's running this thing.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
I’ll slot the player where I deem him the best fit, but if you mention his versatility, I’ll also list him elsewhere to show the pinch coverage.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Thanks.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
Definitely keep that in mind as far as the PR and KRs go. There’s one guy in particular I hope someone thinks of there.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Is it a guy from the Bears?
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Or someone more under the radar?
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Not really under the radar, though I’m not convinced he’s the best player on his team. A true gamebreaker, even at his given position. And a big time showboater. Young, dynamic. I’d be psyched if he was a Saint. I’m sure there will be others who disagree with that assessment.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
And a big time showboater.
And with that, I know who you are talking about.
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Had arguably the most electrifying play of the 2010 season.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yupp Desean Jackson.
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I can see by the time I check in tommorow morning this thread will be full of comments. See you all tommorow.
Politics I supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. Ronald Reagan
saintsfever09 is on the clock
Updated through J. Gross.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Can we make suggestions
Hey us who are dying in our war rooms can we at least post suggestions. My war room has already ran out of beer!
Suggestions
I think our KR/PR should come from Buffalo. I mean what else do they have worth going after.
Surprising I think we should get a CB from da Pats
I like a certain LT from the Dolphins
A center from Da J-E-T-S
Another NT from the Baltimore Birds
A center I would Pounce on if it were my pick from Heinz Field
A LT from Lebron’s old city
Nothing good in stripes but a couple DB’s
Indy has slim picking except maybe on the “END” and a hometown boy with a hefty price tag.
I can think of someone in the running for my pick in Tennessee
I also think there is someone in the running for my pick in Jax
Obviously a couple of LB’s and DE’s that I might pick in Houston. Not a good cap friendly pick but maybe a former Hurricane?
I can think of a KR/PR from Oakland that would be cap friendly. I think a center DB thats in the news might be quite pricey.
Maybe a former teammate for Drew from da Chargers? He would look good holding a clipboard.
I sure do like a former Tiger @ Kansas City. No not the one on the line.
I’m not sold on the one year wonder in Denver. We have an inspirational leader so no TeBlow. There is an OLB with a certain Memphis feel that name could make him a favorite in the crescent city.
Ok thats my blurb for the AFC
I think our KR/PR should come from Buffalo. I mean what else do they have worth going after.
LS (Sanborn) for that very reason. Posluszny and Dareus …
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
If no one has picked a Baltimore player at 8, I’m taking Haloiti Ngata. Just throwing it out there. The only other player I’d consider from that team is Ray Rice.
You say no talent in Cinci save a few DBs, but I’d take a LB or AJ Green off their hands.
I’d take Revis before I took Mangold. Just sayin. (I’d prefer a younger Nhamdi).
I agree with the T’s from Cleveland and Miami. I’d take the Cleveland guy first.
I agree with Pouncey as well. Everyone else in the Burgh is aging or a LB that excels in a 3-4 tailored to fit.
I’d kind of like Locker backing up Drew. CJ doesn’t do it for me. I love MJD though. But both have had way too many touches already. I’d take Jamaal Charles from KC. Slide right on in to the rotation and get 5.+ yards per carry on limited touches.
Stop wearing a wishbone where your backbone ought to be. Would you be convicted in court of being a Christian? Happiness is shared, and comes from sharing.
by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 9, 2011 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions
cscmember is on there twice?
Sorry, late to the party on this. Watching Stanley Cup. You probably won’t hit my number tonight, yes?
Can’t argue with the Suh pick. Calvin Johnson’s out the window, but there are a ton of good WRs available and we’re already three deep there to begin with.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Best to take Fitzgerald.
I’d love Andre, but there’s a lot of talent on the Texans. Can’t say the same for the Cards.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
Agreed, though I’d say it’s best to avoid WRs all together for a while.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Same.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
In fact, that's what I've been thinking of all day.
Who would you take on the Texans? Arian Foster is awesome. Vonta Leach would give us arguably the best FB in the league (at lead blocking). Mario Williams is arguably the best overall DE. Brian Cushing is a beast at OLB, and Andre Johnson is the best WR.
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cscmember must be doing his best Jerry Jones impression.
He’s in Vegas with 20 yr. old strippers?
by snowboard_kat on Jun 8, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. I don’t want to derail your football talk. Stanley Cup…cp, are you back online now, or still absent during the day?
by snowboard_kat on Jun 8, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Hurry up with that. I am having major cp withdrawal.
by snowboard_kat on Jun 9, 2011 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Rather than choosing Jordan Gross at LT from the Panthers...
I would’ve picked Jon Beason because he and Vilma can play the other LB positions.
My LT substitute from a team would be either Joe Thomas or Roger Saffold from the Rams. Although young and inexperienced, Saffold looks to be a pretty damn good LT in the future. Plus, who else from the Rams would we take? Chris Long? Robert Quinn? Sam Bradford? All are positions we don’t really need
Joe Thomas from the Browns*
bad grammar on my part. my b
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 8, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Browns: Joe Haden, Josh Cribbs, Peyton Hillis.
Rams: Steven Jackson, Robert Quinn. How do we not need a DE? We have Will Smith, out for the first 4 games, and Cameron Jordan, a rookie whose biggest knock coming into the draft was his PASS-RUSHING ABILITY.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
Actually, I’d go with OJ Atogwe from the Rams. Big upgrade from Harper.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
OJ is actually with the Redskins. And he is good at causing turnovers WHEN HEALTHY. I think he’s a stud, but a ton of other teams had a chance to sign him WITHOUT giving up a pick last year, and not one did. I was perplexed, but I guess they knew something I didn’t. I do think he’s a better fit for the Skins than Adam Archeletta or however you spell that.
Stop wearing a wishbone where your backbone ought to be. Would you be convicted in court of being a Christian? Happiness is shared, and comes from sharing.
by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 9, 2011 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You make great points, but I rather just stick by my points. Don’t feel like arguing
There are 29 other teams though… I’m sure we can fill all the cracks
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 8, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, I’ll take Patrick Willis+Jordan Gross over Dan Connor+anyone on the 49ers other than Willis any day
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
My picks
Pittsburgh: Maurkice Pouncey OG
Cincinnati: Leon Hall CB
Cleveland: Lawrence Vickers FB
Baltimore: Haloti Ngata DT
Indy: Jeff Saturday C
Jax: Maurice Jones-Drew RB
Tennessee: Chris Johnson RB
Houston: Brian Cushing OLB
New England: Ryan Mallett QB
NYJ: Darelle Revis CB
Miami: Cameron Wake DE
Buffalo: LS
Denver: Von Miller OLB
San Diego: Marcus McNeill OT
Kansas City: Dwayne Bowe WR
Oakland: Zach Thomas TE
Minnesota: Jared Allen DE
Green Bay: Bryan Bulaga OT
Detroit: Ndamukong Suh DT
Chicago: Lance Briggs OLB
Atlanta: Julio Jones WR
Tampa: LeGarette Blount
Carolina: Jordan Gross OT
Philly: DeSean Jackson WR
NYG: Antrel Rolle SS
Dallas: Andre Gurode C
Washington: Brian Orakpo DE
San Fran: Patrick Willis MLB
Arizona: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
Seattle: John Moffitt OG
St. Louis: OJ Atogwe FS
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
Oakland: Zach Thomas TE
The 37 year old converted LB?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’m not trusting an OT from Denver, Houston or Chicago. Child please.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
He’s a OLB
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Jun 8, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If you take Clay Matthews, then you need to take out Bryan Bulaga. Therefore, you need to switch an OLB with an OT. I took OLB from Denver, Houston and Chicago. And I still wouldn’t take an OT from any of those teams.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
Ah
I see what you did there. I’ll try to think of a good switch, but you’re probably right
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Jun 8, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Packers = OLB Matthews instead of OT Bulaga
Texans = DE Williams instead of OLB Cushing
Dolphins = OT Long instead of DE Wake
Problem solved.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Jun 8, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about …
Packers = TE Finley instead of OT Bulaga
Raiders = CB Asomugha instead of TE Miller
Bengals = OLB Rivers instead of CB Hall
Texans = DE Williams instead of OLB Cushing
Dolphins = OT Long instead of DE Wake
I think I like that even better than the Clay Matthews package.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
THIS.
That’s like a dream come true roster.
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I’ve got a soft spot for Cam Wake. He came out of Canada as an explosive DE, and has shown that he’s just as good in the NFL. It might be a sign that we’re finally bridging the gap up here in terms of talent.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
Ok, you can keep Wake as a 5th DE …
Packers = TE Finley instead of OT Bulaga
Raiders = CB Asomugha instead of TE Miller
Bengals = OLB Rivers instead of CB Hall
Texans = DE Williams instead of OLB Cushing
Cardinals = FB Sherman instead of CB Rogers-Cromartie
Browns = OT Thomas instead of FB Vickers
Not like you need the 6th CB with Revis/Asomugha starting and Jenkins able to fill in.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Can't argue too much with that either
I really like Rivers. I was hoping we would draft him when he came out, but I’m glad we got Ellis anyway. I would rather Super Mario than Cushing minus the roids
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Yea that's good
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Jun 8, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
My OLBs would be
Matthews and Briggs and maybe Keith Rivers if I go with 5. And I would take Mario Williams over Brian Cushing
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
How about instead of taking Julio Jones from Atlanta, take Matt Ryan from their grasps and watch them cry as he sits in the dungeons of our depth chart! BWUAHAHAHAH!
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Saturday is about to retire.
Rolle can’t cover, even though he moved to safey because he couldn’t cut it at CB.
Ill take AJ Green and Eric Berry over Leon Hall and Dwayne Bowe.
Id take Dez Bryant (WR and KR) over Gurode and Matthews over Bulaga.
I’d sure take PP7 before I took an inconsistant DRC.
Stop wearing a wishbone where your backbone ought to be. Would you be convicted in court of being a Christian? Happiness is shared, and comes from sharing.
by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 9, 2011 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Show me when DRC has been inconsistent.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
As to Gurode and Saturday- Saturday still has a few years left, and Gurode is almost Saturday’s equal when Saturday was in his prime. Plus, we have no C, so we needed two.
Rolle can cover better than Harper.
I’m not taking a receiver whose never played a down over one of the better corners in the league. I’m also not taking a second-year safety who wasn’t exceptional in his rookie season over the league leader in touchdowns.
I’ve made comments regarding Matthews and Bulaga already, read above if you want my defence for him.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
defence
you canadian…
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Don’t antagonize him. He’ll just go on about the superiority of the Canadian intellect, Canadian dominance in sports, the value of their dollar. yada yada yada.
for Horton
by snowboard_kat on Jun 9, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Most recently (as per Rotoworld via various sources):
According to Football Outsiders’ metrics, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie missed 18.9 percent of his tackle opportunities in 2010, the most in the league by a defensive back.
Cardinals LCB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie was burned for three completions of at least 20 yards and flagged three times in the team’s Week 17 loss to San Francisco.
Coming off his worst season as a pro…
switching from hockey to football so quickly? don’t throw in the towel yet.
by snowboard_kat on Jun 9, 2011 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m assuming we’re not taking into consideration things like the salary cap and whether a player really deserves to be a second string guy even though he’s normally considered a 1st stringer? (say we take Tom Brady, in reality would he be second string behind Brees? probably not)…so pretty much…this is all “fantasy” right?
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Quick food for thought
If we were any other teams’ fan base, which player, other than QB, would we take from the Saints roster? Evans? I guess it depends on the team, but it’s a fun question
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If saintfever09 doesn’t show up in time, can I pick for him? I’ll be in New Orleans from the 12th to the 19th and might not be able to make my pick.
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by were gonna need a bigger boat on Jun 9, 2011 6:59 AM CDT reply actions
No. He’ll be removed and Jon Banks will have the next pick. If you can’t make yours, you’ll be removed in the same manner. I’m handling it this way to award the active participants and to keep things as simple as possible.
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Rec this thread please
This will probably take 3-4 weeks to complete and I don’t want it to fall off the Fan Post sidebar in the meantime.
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Actually
Can this please be put on the front page and stickied?
Dave?
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Done!
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 9, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder whether
Revis Island is going to move to the swamps at some point.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 9, 2011 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
Attention!
I am Crixus and probably will not be able to make my pick as I am in the process of redeploying back from IRAQ! But I will keep checking to see if I can and if not can I post who I want with a top 3 list in case the player is already taken?
Thank you for your service
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by Andrew Tessier on Jun 9, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes Thanks and hurry Home!
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 9, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm up after CP gets back and updates
I’m taking Mario Williams, DE from Houston Texans.
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We have to wait for Cold P?
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 9, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeff, I’ll take that up with Payton for you.
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by snowboard_kat on Jun 9, 2011 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
As I mentioned yesterday, arguments could be made for both.
Mario is, in my mind, the best overall DE. Vonta is the best blocking FB. In the end, fullback is not as important as DE.
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Cold P, are you editing the Thread as we go...
Already printed pertinent sheets. That’s OK I can probably follow better with them and My trusty pencil.
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Patrick Willis, OLB, 49ers
Could we put him at OLB? I’m thinking he’s versatile enough to play any LB position.
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I suppose. If someone comes up with a better OLB, we’ll shift him to the middle and Vilma will become his backup.
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Hmm….this is why 31 people shouldn’t play GM. Right now we have a 3-4 OLB and a DT that is clearly best as a 4-3 DT in Suh.
I take it you’ll make the final call on defensive alignment at the end? Cause right now it’s looking like Mario Williams and Jordan at the 5 technique, Mathews at OLB and Vilma and Willis on the inside. One way or another…looking like we’re going to have some serious Pro Bowlers playing seriously out of position eventually.
"Winter is coming"
I take it you’ll make the final call on defensive alignment at the end?
Not at all.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
The roster IS geared toward the 4-3, though. Hence MLB (not ILB) and a lower designation for interior LBs, while DE and DT guidelines are identical. I’m pretty sure Matthews could handle WOLB in a 4-3, btw.
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If you had your choice…would you rather lineup Matthews on weakside….or as the RDE and just let him try to wreck havoc?
"Winter is coming"
In a 3-4, I’d rather him as a WOLB. In the 4-3, it depends on what DEs I have on my roster. With Williams and Smith as my best two so far, I would personally rather have him at RDE. But he was designated as a OLB, so that’s out of my hands. That’s why THIS is part of the rules up top:
If a player you select is versatile enough to man multiple positions, be sure to bring that up.
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I’m well aware of the rule part. I was just curious about your personal opinion….I’m growing more worried about the center position now. Kalil is now off the board with Gross…he would have been my first choice.
You have Mack…but that eliminates Thomas…a clear cut top 5 OT. O’hara is good…and Mangold is still #1 in my book…but a lot of talent on the Jets to choose from. Pouncey from Pitt would be great….but then I’d need to subtly strong arm someone into making sure they get Wilson to play SS in lieu of Fitzgerald.
"Winter is coming"
Thomas, Long and Clady are all pretty close, imo. Not that worried about center at all, to be honest. I think it’s a grossly overrated position. Casey Rabach has been rated among the top centers for years and has yet to make a Pro Bowl. Of the 32 starters, most aren’t even recognizable names. And it’s not like they’re botching exchanges or not doing their jobs on a regular basis. I mean, it would be nice to have a Pro Bowler there, but it’s pretty much the least of my worries overall. As long as he’s a starter, 25ish and not God awful (and he wouldn’t be a starter, if he was), I’ll be satisfied.
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On top of which, everyone’s going to avoid center and long snapper anyway, because picking interior linemen is “no fun”. If you don’t pick up on that general vibe, shame on you. We’re going to inevitably wind up with scraps, unless someone steps up and bites the bullet.
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You are so kind. What do you think of Wiesniewski? I can’t remember the last time I saw a first or second round center not make a name for himself, at least as far as Pro Bowl recognition goes.
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Overrated. And by that I mean he got picked too high with too high of expectations on his because of his name. Don’t get me wrong. I think he’ll wind up being a sold, solid player. I expect him to eventually be a good 10-12 year starter but not one that earns the reputation of a Pouncey or Mangold etc.
"Winter is coming"
One way or another…looking like we’re going to have some serious Pro Bowlers playing seriously out of position eventually.
A Pro Bowler on the bench is technically out of position, no? Not like the Saints don’t play the 3-4 sometimes. Are you worried about cap space, Jeff?
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Not at all actually. A Pro Bowler playing Center sitting behind another Pro Bowl Center…he’s not out of position in the least being on the bench. Taking a pass rushing beast like Matthews and thinking he’ll be just as good playing a 4-3 OLB however….I’d rather have a proven play maker at that position. Just me I guess.
And there’s no need for the ridiculous snarky cap space comment. Where I’m well aware the Saints play the occasional 3-4 alignment…I am not a fan at all of quick subbing for one play here or there. Anyone who’s played most sports can tell you it’s hard to get in the flow when you’re coming in cold.
"Winter is coming"
Taking a pass rushing beast like Matthews and thinking he’ll be just as good playing a 4-3 OLB however….I’d rather have a proven play maker at that position. Just me I guess.
Who said anything about being just as good as he would be in a 3-4? No OLB would be. He’ll still be more effective than most 4-3 OLBs, though. Certainly more than any on the roster, since Casillas and Wilson are both SAMs and Willis hasn’t played outside at all.
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Didn't Matthews play OLB in a 4-3
At USC? Not totally out of position.
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The whole thing is an overplayed angle. Any OLB who excels at pass rushing is going to be better off in a 3-4. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be a perfect fit for the 4-3. They simply wouldn’t be utilizing those (known) assets as often. Even in the real world, that’s not a waste of money. The only way it’s a waste is if he’s less effective in the 4-3 than the player who would have been manning that position, had he not been signed. And even then, chances are it’s not a COMPLETE waste, as: a.) you’ll occasionally employ the other scheme, b.) he’s likely to excel on special teams (see Marvin Mitchell inside) and c.) you’d be keeping him off someone else’s roster.
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There mere fact that both Fujita and Shanle have started in both schemes extensively should tell you a little something about the importance of matching scheme with strengths. The only two guys I can see as being utterly worthless in a 4-3 are Shawne Merriman and Joey Porter. And they’re both almost to the point of being worthless in either scheme.
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Not at all actually. A Pro Bowler playing Center sitting behind another Pro Bowl Center…he’s not out of position in the least being on the bench.
And that’s a normal situation? You’d typically expect to find a Pro Bowl player on the bench, regardless of the circumstances? Care to name someone who fits that description? That was my point. It’s not a team adhering to cap space and all that jazz.
Where I’m well aware the Saints play the occasional 3-4 alignment…I am not a fan at all of quick subbing for one play here or there.
Whether you’re a fan of it or not, that’s how it transpires. Marvin Mitchell typically subs in for Ellis in those situations. If it’s happening either way, I’d much rather Willis than Mitchell (though we don’t have a true NT, as of yet).
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Cause right now it’s looking like Mario Williams and Jordan at the 5 technique, Mathews at OLB and Vilma and Willis on the inside.
Right now, it’s exactly as they’re listed, based on their overall talent at the position they were designated. The alignment is whatever you want to imagine it as.
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easiest
one team, one position left
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 9, 2011 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
well, it'll be easy
I should’ve rephrased that and said, “I’m afraid it may be bad”
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 9, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Odds are you won’t have the last pick. Someone’s bound to miss their turn, bumping you up.
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anything can happen
stu has until 4:17 tomorrow?
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 9, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully multiple positions. The position minimums add up to less than than 53. If everyone meets the minimums prior to then, that last person should be able to draft the BPA from that team. If there’s still a minimum to meet, he won’t have that luxury.
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Ahh, well I hope everyone meets the minimum!
Like discussed earlier, I don’t want to have to fill C and LS when there really isn’t a team that uses a starting C and the same C as a LS
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 9, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The real question is, will it be a great selection, or a shitty selection?
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good point
should’ve said that. it’ll be easy because i’ll be stuck with whatever is left
it would suck if I got stuck with a team that has crappy PRs, KRs, etc
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 9, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Considering Asomugha’s age (he’ll be 30 next month), Oakland isn’t far behind. Stefen Wisniewski would be a pretty good pick there, imo. Second rated center in this year’s draft, projected starter, great bloodlines. Sanborn (LS) from Buffalo + him and what have you really missed out on? Lechler’s ancient and we already have our punter. Wimbley’s not bad either, but we’re already maxing out at OLB.
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Avoiding Pouncey frees up Polamalu, Wallace, Mendenhall (we still don’t have a true power back).
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(we still don’t have a true power back).
With the lack of talent in Buffalo, The great Tebow could be the answer.
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by Hans Petersen on Jun 10, 2011 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was actually thinking
Jacoby Ford from Oakland. Can fill a WR slot, young, has potential, and has KR skills as well.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 10, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I do like Ford, but Jackson (or Harvin, as Jeff suggested) would both be better options, imo.
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I prefer both as well, but that also has to be weighed against who to take from various teams along the way. Oakland is thin from a talent base in my opinion, at least with players I would actually want.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 10, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree, but there has to be a center taken at some point and I can’t think of many teams whose best player doesn’t trump Ford. I would also much rather have a top notch WR than a top notch center. I honestly believe any starting center in the league would gather Pro Bowl votes playing between Evans and Nicks (and in front of Brees). If that’s the case, why waste an entire roster of better individual talent on that position?
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I’ve decided to change the MLB designation to either MLB or ILB. I also upped the maximum to 5 (from 4) and lowered the minimum on DTs to 3 (from 4). This will give us flexibility, in case we want to switch to a 3-4 defense. If you’re drafting one of these two positions, I strongly suggest that you look over the existing roster at both positions, before deciding in which direction you’d like to go. If it’s 4-3, DE and DT should have the same head count, while the interior LB count is okay to fall short of the OLB count. If it’s 3-4, OLB and MLB/ILB totals should match, with DT being the least important position from a numbers standpoint. Of course, in a 3-4, it’s best to have a true NT and neither Ellis nor Suh fit that description. Doesn’t mean we HAVE to, but I would suggest at least one for the sake of flexibility between the two schemes.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’ve decided to change the MLB designation to either MLB or ILB. I also upped the maximum to 5 (from 4) and lowered the minimum on DTs to 3 (from 4). This will give us flexibility, in case we want to switch to a 3-4 defense. If you’re drafting one of these two positions, I strongly suggest that you look over the existing roster at both positions, before deciding in which direction you’d like to go. If it’s 4-3, DE and DT should have the same head count, while the interior LB count is okay to fall short of the OLB count. If it’s 3-4, OLB and MLB/ILB totals should match, with DT being the least important position from a numbers standpoint. Of course, in a 3-4, it’s best to have a true NT and neither Ellis nor Suh fit that description. Doesn’t mean we HAVE to, but I would suggest at least one for the sake of flexibility between the two schemes.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 10, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
Recommend nobody pick Kenny Britt /Titans/WR
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 10, 2011 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
With so many LBs already taken
I’ll go with Joe Thomas – Cleveland Browns
Jordan Gross can, and has, played right tackle at the pro level.
Charles Brown gets bumped to 2nd string and solid, young depth.
I’ll take 27 year old in his prime Haloti Ngata of the Baltimore Ravens.
I hate to take away the chance for someone to grab Ray Rice.
While I consider Ed Reed and Ray Lewis bonafide HOF’s, they are on the back 9.
I think Suggs is right at the critical point of diminishing returns.
No one objected when I threw out the feeler, so Ngata it is.
The only other player who I feel is a dominant game changer that I would have liked to have taken is Larry Fitzgerald. I hope someone else snags him over any and all WR’s.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 10, 2011 5:08 PM CDT reply actions
Texans are gone.
Andre can’t be picked.
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You don't agree with Mario Williams?
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Yeah.
Certainly not a terrible pick, but I think Williams is a tad overrated, and there are plenty of other good/great DEs on other teams. I also really like Andre Johnson and Arian Foster.
I love them all.
Watching Williams play, he’s underrated. Especially when he seems to be the only one who contributes on that gawdawful Defense. Arian and Andre are good, but we can get both positions on other teams with less talent (Fitzgerald).
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That’s kind of what I was getting at. I don’t think it’ll be a huge issue, but I would’ve liked to have seen the Texans stay on the board until later, since whomever ended up taking them could address in a big way one of three positions, depending on how things shook out ahead of them. That being said, if they were assuming the Fitz pick would definitely be made, and that someone would almost certainly take Jamal Charles or Chris Johnson, I suppose it makes sense. But taking a top 3 WR and a top 5 RB off the board for arguably a top 10 DE makes me think man-crush.
I do have a mancrush on Williams.
I said I think he is one of the top 3 DE (Not passrushing, but both in the run and the pass).
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Andre is a freak, yes. But Larry’s the complete package. Larry’s the next Jerry Rice. No one trains harder. Larry’s the quite leader. Larry had unbelievable numbers last year when he was practically the ONLY guy the opposing defense had to pay attention to. Andre puts up good numbers, but he’s got others around him. I like both very much, but I’d choose Larry over Andre for his intangibles. Andre’s physical, but Larry’s got the size and speed.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 10, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hate to disappoint you. If it gets to me…i’ll probably take Adrian Wilson at this point for starting strong safety.
"Winter is coming"
I don’t exactly view this as a pick for age kind of thing. I’m looking at this as best player right this second for fun. Age is irrelevant considering 99% of the people we’re picking couldn’t be retained if we wanted to.
"Winter is coming"
That and let’s be honest….there’s only a handful of starting SS i’d play over Harper despite his flaws. Unless we choose a young buck and play him out of a natural FS position.
"Winter is coming"
Well, as long as we’re being honest … I strongly disagree.
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Honestly I still very well may bite the bullet and do some research on the center position. Only bad thing is the centers I like are on teams loaded with talent. Would rather pluck one from one of the weaker teams to allow a better selection for others.
"Winter is coming"
That’s what I was getting at with Wiesniewski and Sandborn. Pretend we hung on to Tennant and didn’t upgrade that “six one way, half a dozen the other” position, for the sake of considerably better players elsewhere. Of course, you’re not worried about age, so Asomugha off the board might give you heartburn. Here, have a Tums and do the right thing.
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That’s not bad either. 1st rounder, converted guard. Gives us the versatility we lost in Goodwin.
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You know, with all this talk about 4-3 versus 3-4, we COULD just stick with Harper and a backup at SS and play a 4-4-3. Not like it hasn’t been done. One of the two ILBs just floats in space on passing plays. As long as it’s not constantly the same one, the offense will be hesitant to run draws and/or set up slant routes to that side.
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Do you have enough faith in Jenkins to play Centerfield? Two years ago with Sharper I would have agreed.
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I think so. I mean, I wouldn’t make it a big priority. There are better FSs out there, but he’s young and more than capable of carrying his weight, if the status quo happens to wind up being the best we did at the position.
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Then run it. We seen to be built for it. Mario at LDE, Cameron at RDE, Smith rotating. Suh and Ngata starting in the middle, Ngata at the 1-tech, have Ellis rotate with Cameron at RDE and Ngata when he gets tired. Vilma and Willis in the middle, with Wilson subbing in for relief. Cassilas and Matthews at OLB, get a backup for them and we’re good. If we pick up Darelle(Mangold would be a waste, as would Brick., those are the only three worth having with Desean on the team now) then we can put him on an island and have Jenks shift to the other side to help with Greer, with Porter subbing in.
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Cassilas and Matthews at OLB, get a backup for them and we’re good.
I’d think that any team in the NFL would have at least one LB better than Casillas, so why settle for a backup for him when he should be the backup for the next LB picked?
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If we had no more slots for RB (I’d take Jamal Charles in that case) I’d take Eric Berry at SS from the Chiefs or Polumalu from Pittsburgh
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Polamalu’s 30 himself. I do like Fitzgerald/Polamalu better than Wallace/Wilson, but it’s not the slam dunk shared Madden ’10 cover might lend itself to.
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I like Berry, but I think I like Brandon Albert at OG/OT just a little more. I personally think he’s a better guard and is only playing LT because he’s the best overall offensive lineman the Chiefs have. Which makes me wonder why Jahri Evans hasn’t been tried at tackle. Or Nicks, who has actually played the position. I digress. Regardless, that would give us three studs a piece at those two positions and we wouldn’t have to worry about either again for a while.
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Which makes me wonder why Jahri Evans hasn’t been tried at tackle
I’ve wondered that too…
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Credibility=shot.
Andre Johnson is the perfect WR. In fact, you just described Andre word for word. Also, who does Andre have supporting him? Until last year, the Texans didn’t have a running game (They did have Slaton in 08), and name me a wide receiver on the Texans that would make a defense worried a little bit. Andre does have the benefit of a good QB while Fitz doesn’t…but Andre also had David Carr for the first 4 years of his career. And good numbers? He’s put up the same or better as Fitzgerald. As for the size and speed:
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 218 lb (99 kg) 40 Time: 4.53
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg) 40 Time: 4.41
Fitzgerald is on the top, Andre on the bottom.
Don’t get me wrong, Fitzgerald is a DAMN good WR. But he’s second banana to the greater WR of the post-Jerry Rice NFL.
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Gotta agree with JB here…I’d take Andre over Larry, I mean it’s close, but Andre fits the bill. I’d say my current top 5 WR’s (in terms of talent):
1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Calvin Johnson
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Hakeem Nicks
(also would put Randy Moss, but that’s a different story)
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Well, you can pick DeSean Jackson
He can play WR, KR, PR… very versatile
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 10, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you on Fitzgerald, especially since both Andre and Calvin Johnson are off the board. Even with Jackson, we’re lacking an elite receiver … one that will consistently draw double teams. Not many of those still available. If Arizona was a hot bed for talent, I might have to sleep on it. The pick, I mean. I refuse to sleep on a hot bed. Unless Kat’s involved. And even then, what’s sleep?
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8th Pick is DeSean Jackson
For all the reasons Ezio stated. Just too versatile to pass up and I like him better as a WR than Hester. Thought about taking a center, but just could not pass on Jackson.
Love the pick, along with the two prior. I gave DeSean PR duties. He doesn’t have much experience on kickoffs, but I do see him as an upgrade over Meachem there, so consider that a temporary-to-permanent alternate position. If we get two legit KRs, he’ll be bumped. Pierre’s bound to be buried on the depth chart at RB, so he makes sense there, at least for now. I gave Colston the nod as our current #1 WR, if only out of respect for his tenure with the team. It’s close. Again, great addition to the roster.
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Pierre seems to have done well in limited kickoff opprotunities.
He’s not the explosive guy that will break a touchdown, but he has good vision to get the yardage needed.
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I'm willing to go center.
Of all the options thrown out earlier in the thread, I am thinking Eric Wood. Top 09 pick and fully healthy, he’s going to give Hangartner some competition to start. This also nixes Buffalo.
Thoughts?
for Horton
Can he also LS to keep Cold P happy?...Ha,Ha
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 11, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Wood's role on line to be determined
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 11, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The only problem I see is that Buffalo was arguably the least talented team on which the long snapper is also the backup center. That in order to avoid taking a third (second true) center. That’s why I was pushing for Sandborn early. As is, we’re already down to seven such scenarios:
Denney backed up Berger (Miami Dolphins)
Snow backed up Saturday (Indianapolis Colts)
Cain backed up Meester (Jacksonville Jaguars)
Paxton backed up Walton (Denver Broncos)
Condo backed up Satele (Oakland Raiders)
DeOssie also plays OLB (New York Giants)
Sundberg backed up Rabach (Washington Redskins)
Mannelly backed up Kreutz (Chicago Bears)
I suppose DeOssie would still do in a pinch, but everyone would either have to remember to avoid the Giants throughout, or create a serious log jam at OLB. I would have preferred Wisniewski/Condo to Wood/Satele, but that just the Buffalo/Oakland combinations. We can still go Buffalo +one of the others.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Plus this one brings the Wood.
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by snowboard_kat on Jun 11, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Paul Posluszny is the only guy on Buffalo I would’ve even taken a second glance at, and we’re already plenty stacked at LB.
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I met Eric Wood a couple days ago when he was in t
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by were gonna need a bigger boat on Jun 11, 2011 5:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
C-A-R-D-S C-A-R-D-S GO CARDS GO!
I met Eric Wood a couple days ago when he was in town to visit. Great guy.
You know, in Japan a round of golf cost $12,000. You play from rooftop to rooftop and the balls are made of rice somehow. then when you're done you've gotta go home and sleep in a tube.
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by were gonna need a bigger boat on Jun 11, 2011 5:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thread Tracher 2
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 11, 2011 8:12 AM CDT reply actions
jeff.l.b is on the clock
and I’m assuming he no longer wants me to pick for him.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’ll pick for Jeff just prior to his time expiring tomorrow morning. He’s indicated in this thread that he plans on selecting, yet he indicated in the initial thread that he wouldn’t be able to. He’s also stated that he’s rarely online on weekends. Handling it this way will give him every opportunity to make the pick himself, while also not completely wasting the 24 hour window, should he not. I already know who the pick will be, if I’m the one that ultimately makes the decision.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
picking for the tardy jeff.l.b
Revis Island is now part of the Who Dat Nation.
With Eric Wood in the fold, Nick Mangold becomes far less of a priority. This pick also frees up Oakland for a non-Asomugha pick. I’m hoping someone spends it wisely. Coughlongsnappercough. More importantly, it gives the Saints their much-needed shutdown corner. Along with Greer, Porter, Robinson and Jenkins in relief, anything on top of this in the secondary should be considered gravy.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
almost forgot
J-E-T-S … JETS! JETS! JETS!
That was for you, my beloved Kat.
we’re gonna need a bigger boat is on the clock.
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JETS! JETS! JETS!
somehow from your mouth it’s sexy.
for Horton
by snowboard_kat on Jun 12, 2011 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Have to give you props here
I was all for this one earlier.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 12, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I said Gross over Thomas because, while they are both top tier tackles, we’d be taking Gross away from Carolina.
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Elvis Dumervil is one of the only players worth taking from the Broncos. He could probably play LB if we needed him to.
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by were gonna need a bigger boat on Jun 12, 2011 7:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Dumervil is a terrible 4-3 OLB. Look at his stats before and after they were a 3-4 defense. He disappears.
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Dumervil has never played OLB in the 4-3. And even if he had, you can’t fairly evaluate that transition through statistics. A 4-3 OLB is NEVER going to have the numbers a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE will. They’re not called upon to do the same things. The proper comparison would be with other 4-3 OLBs.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Did he play DE in the 4-3? Regardless, based on his numbers comparative to other players at his position, he disappears in a 4-3. The only reason he did well in Mike Nolan’s scheme was because he blitzed basically every down.
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He was a 4-3 RDE and when they switched to the 3-4 last year he played OLB, but in passing situations they went with a 4-3 and he played RDE in that alignment. He was not exactly a slouch as an RDE in a listed 4-3. He had 8.5 sacks in 2006 in 13 games, and 12.5 in 2007. I would say he has the pass rush thing from the 4-3 alignment down pretty well.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 12, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
pre-audit adjust
in 2009, not last year. He had the torn pectoral muscle last year. The last year he played. He never played OLB in a 4-3.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 12, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t see any justification for a knock, looking over his statistics. He’s basically a heat-seeking goon, a la Clay Matthews. He just happens to have made his name as a DE, as that was the scheme Denver was running at the time.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
mattxlegend is on the clock
Let’s try to tone it down on the front seven picks, folks.
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Apologies...could not make it on yesterday. And bummer CP...you know I was gonna plug the center hole.
"Winter is coming"
by jeff.l.b on Jun 12, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ll just let that statement speak for itself
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jun 12, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
CP
In case I’m not around to make my pick I was leaning towards Greg Jones FB jaguars or Marcel Reece FB oakland what do you think the only problem with Greg Jones is it will kill the chance for someone to pick MJD from jacksonville
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Jun 12, 2011 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
what about Tolbert from San Diego, or Leonard Weaver from philly? I think Tolbert might even be an interesting pickup in FA this year
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Weaver is off the table since a Philly player has already been taken
And I dont know anything about Tolbert
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Jun 12, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Greg Jones a lot, but he’s often hurt. Lousaka Polite would be my suggestion for a FB right now. Who else do you have in mind as a Dolphin? Jake Long would be tops on my list, but then you’re talking about Gross on the bench. Jones-Drew is a great back who could also help on KRs, provided he isn’t our starter. I even like the idea of Gabbert as a developmental backup QB.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Nothing at positions we need. We don’t need McCourty, we don’t need Wilfork, we don’t need Welker, we don’t need Mayo and we don’t need either of their young TE’s. Brady is great, but Mallett’s younger and we have Drew Brees. Mallett was the best QB in this year’s draft IMHO. With our offense, Mallett would thrive.
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I like both their young tight ends, either Gronkowski (best football name ever) or Hernandez
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
With our lax, corrupt police department, Mallett would thrive.
FIFY.
trapped in grammar and calendars.
by Jay Preece on Jun 13, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why? You need a dealer?
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What about OJ Atogwe as a SS?
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I’d much rather take an Eric Berry or Thomas and move them to strong safety. Atogwe isn’t a bad option, however.
"Winter is coming"
I thought Atogwe signed with the Redskins?
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In this game though, that's huge.
Means you could have Bradford as a backup and Atogwe to come in as SS.
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I was thinking about stealing Matt Ryan from the Falcons.
Is this a terrible idea? I ask because I tend to suck at things like this and could use some guidence.
"Dang! The Saints won the Super Bowl!" - my wife, Meso "Happy" Hu Dat.
No…he’s good and young. Just depends on whether or not there’s someone else on the Falcons that would be preferable.
"Winter is coming"
Ryan’s mediocre. Roddy White is elite [slaps self] If we have to pick a friggin falcon pick White.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jun 14, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about Brent Grimes at CB
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??What??
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The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"It took me the longest time to realize I was a procrastinator"-Zach Galifianakis
you didn’t hear about that? oh wait CP doesn’t use sarcasm font….it’s just a given..
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Grimes gives us fits, rule or no rule.
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735 yards rushing and 11 TDs, +216 yds rec….you have to take into consideration he wasn’t a “fullback” last year and he was the primary back, but not too bad for a 243 lbs back
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Like Tolbert and Reese, too. Mughelli and Hedgecock are also possibilities. Seems like a position worth monitoring for a while, since we still have all these options. When it gets down to one or two, then pull the trigger.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I was Ovie Mughelli from the Falcons
but they may have other positions that are better at this point
Btw, Mughelli from the Falcons covers FB, MJD from Jags for RB, LS from Oakland, and Philip Rivers from San Diego would be nice.
Bonus: Rivers backing Brees would be quite ironic, wouldn’t it?
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 13, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
No on Rivers.
I don’t want that douche on our hypothetical team.
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might have a “number dispute” between Willis and Matthews…but they can hash it out in training camp
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
stujo4's assessment
Martez has to have a really, really good year.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
FIFY
Martez has to have a really, really, really, really good year.
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Actually, until we land a legitimate SS, I think even this revamped defense would struggle against TEs. No one outside of Casillas has SAM experience at the NFL level and even that’s nothing to write home about.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yeah, I’m not sure who’s better at covering between Dumervil and Matthews, I’m assuming Matthews since Dumervil is more of a DE…but I have no clue really
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
I was thinking David Lee Roth and Van Halen, LOL
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Good thing U but that 24 hr limit in
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 14, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I sure this will amount to a futile plea, but if you’re currently listed among the participants in this draft and you know for a fact that you’re not going to be online for stretches of more than 24 hours, please say something and spare us the wait time. I’ll gladly remove you from the rotation.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’m somewhat confused….am I on the clock right now since FuSoYa didn’t show up, or is his time expiring tomorrow morning?
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by Andrew Tessier on Jun 14, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Andrew Tessier is on the clock
The 12th pick WILL be made eventually. I guarantee it.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
May I suggest a new rule?
If 12 hours into the pick and the guy still has not shown up but the next person in line is available, how about you let that person make the pick if they want to? Just to help this speed along to some time before we all die.
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Just to help this speed along to some time before we all die.
you crack me up.
for Horton
by snowboard_kat on Jun 15, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
The impatience of youth
Though I agree this can be like pulling teeth. The problem with 12 hours is what if someone goes “on the clock” at 8PM after they normally log off, and then their pick is over at 8AM, possibly before they log on? 24 hours does at least have the advantage of being able to work with varied schedules.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 15, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Then maybe it should be 12 hour time slots, from midnight to noon every day. It doesn’t matter what time the person before you picks, you can’t pick until your time slot. If someone misses a time slot, the next person makes the pick and the time slots shift up.
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That’s exactly why it’s 24 hours. No telling where people are, as far as time zones go. No matter what your work schedule, you should be able to check in once within a 24 hour period. If you can’t, oh well. And I’m not about to change the rules midstream. It will eventually pick up, as soon as all the non-participants are weeded out. Blame the perpetrators, not the laws.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
We had better be careful CP, we keep agreeing people will talk.
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by theprogrammerman on Jun 15, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
SOCKPUPPET!!111!!!!
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That's fine.
Your the one running the show.
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Timing Perspective
I flew up to DC on Monday to get something signed that could have or probably should have taken a few weeks to sign but it will be done by COB today. Now WHODATNATION if you can get progress in DC in that timely fashion then I know we can get through this draft by the end of the weekend. Let’s move people!!! Give us all a Father’s day gift of a revamped roster. I’m assuming a presumption on what our record would be if this dream roster was real could be another debate.
The 12th pick...
is Eric Berry, SS/FS, Kansas City Chiefs
Let’s be honest, this secondary is looking ridiculous. You couldn’t even complete a screen pass against it.
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by Andrew Tessier on Jun 15, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks
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by Andrew Tessier on Jun 15, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Good pick, was on my short list.
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Was on my short list of two….him and Thomas from Seattle. Note to future pickers…Thomas is still out there to finish filling out the safety position.
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Chung(SS Pats) & Clemmons (FS Phins) were 2 others
Yahoo sports was the place I was getting team Depth charts to establish Free or Strong S.
But its to CP’s discretion to place them.
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Patrick Mannelly long snapper Chicago Bears
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Jun 15, 2011 3:55 PM CDT reply actions
GAAAAAAH! He’s 36 years old. And on a team with quite a bit to choose from.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
He the best long snapper by statistic in the nfl and the only other people on that team worth taking is
Lance Briggs or Robbie Gold We have plenty of OLB’S and the kicker from Oakland is better
Say what ever you want we still have our Lombardi and there's nothing you can do about it
by mississippisaintsfan on Jun 15, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking Mendenhall. We could really use a power back. Gerhart or Blount might work, too.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I’d rather Peterson over Gerhart. Gerhart’s got the age…Peterson’s proven an easily an excellent power runner. Would rather Penn or Freeman from TB…Mendenhall would be nice…but so many damn good players on Pitt. Still wouldn’t mind seeing Pouncey get picked.
"Winter is coming"
I wouldn’t bother with a 3rd center at all. That was the whole point of targeting a LS that’s also a backup center. Maybe if Pittsburgh’s the last team standing and all the other positions are sterling. What about Chris Cooley at TE? I love that guy. He could also serve as our backup FB, since we didn’t retain Thomas.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Decent experience at the position too, since Graham’s still raw.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Thought Mannelly was a backup tackle…which is why I mentioned Pouncey. Cooley’s good…but on the backslide of his career. Miller or Carlson I think would get us more bang for our buck.
"Winter is coming"
We need a true 3-4 NT, also. I’m not worried about a 4-3 NT. The lesser 3-tech should be able to hold his own.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Um….You seem to be forgetting we have the premier 3-4 NT in the league in Haloti Ngata. 6’5" 350 lbs of mean.
"Winter is coming"
Strange…he’s listed at a nose tackle on their site. And sorry…think he can easily…and I do mean easily, play nose tackle. You’re right though, on second look Gregg is listed as their starting NT.
"Winter is coming"
Hmm. Wilfork’s not nearly as old as I thought he was. I must be thinking of Sam Adams.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Wilfork’s 30…Adams is retired. Wilfork’s definitely the best 3-4 NT still on the board. Our roster makeup atm though definitely favors a 4-3 in my opinion, though.
"Winter is coming"
On that same note…we really only have one true 3-4 OLB that we know can play worth a damn.
"Winter is coming"
Dumervil’s all right. His consistency worries me. He’s yearly contributions look like a roller coaster. I wouldn’t cry if I saw Harrison’s name mentioned.
"Winter is coming"
Versatility in scheme is great. At the moment though if I had to go with a staring front 7…I’d got Ngata and Suh at DT with Ngata playing the 1 tech. I’d have Williams and Matthews at DE and I’d have Vilma in the middle of Willis at OLB while eagerly awaiting another staring OLB.
"Winter is coming"
My interior would be the same, with Williams and Dumervil at DE. Matthews, Willis, Vilma and Wilson across the back, awaiting a more proven Sam.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yea…that’s the only other possibility in my mind. I’d just rather keep Matthews wrecking havoc in the backfield atm…guy just has amazing effort rushing the passer. I’d hate to take that part out of his game as a linebacker in a 4-3 alignment that only gets in there on the blitz.
"Winter is coming"
No, Vilma would be on the bench. I’m trying to force the best three.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Current 4-3:
Matthews – Willis – Vilma
Williams – Ngata – Suh – Dumervil
(waiting on a better Sam)
Current 3-4:
Matthews – Willis – Vilma – Wilson
Williams – Ngata – Dumervil
(waiting on a better Sam and possibly NT)
And you’re right, Suh on the bench is a waste.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
No matter how you slice it, I think we need a better Sam OLB.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Looking at the teams that are left…it’s not looking good for a Sam. Best out there in my opinion would be Chad Greenway.
"Winter is coming"
Brian Orakpo played Sam in a 4-3 as a rookie. Can’t imagine him not being able to handle it in a 3-4, as well. He’s also give you more Will/DE versatility.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Ditto on Karlos Dansby early on. He’ll be 30 this year, though.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
huh…had it in my head Orakpo played DE as a rook. He’d definitely be a good talent to have.
"Winter is coming"
Here’s a few more Sam prospects:
Rey Maualuga, though I think he’s better suited inside.
Channing Crowder has played it …
though, Koa Misi was a 2nd round pick last year and starts.
Lamar Woodley
Na’l Diggs … getting up there in age, but we do have Wilson.
Shaun Phillips … solid overall, Pro Bowler this past season.
Quincy Black … more of a pass rusher than a cover guy.
Ninkovich or Banta-Cain … neither excite me.
Kirk Morrison has played LLB.
Anthony Spencer … tough to justify with Dallas’s talent.
Sean Weatherspoon, but is that really an upgrade?
Greenway and Orakpo already mentioned.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Problem is I’d rather take one of the stud linebackers still available over every single one of these guys with the possible…possible except of Phillips. Can’t ignore talent just because someone else might technically fit the position better.
"Winter is coming"
You can when the position you’re talking about (LOLB) calls for specific skills very few of the stud talents have exhibited. That would be like taking four stud SSs, sticking two of them at FS, then wondering why you’re getting burned deep across the middle.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Matthews used to be a safety after all and is more than fluid and quick enough that I think he’d be fine if he had to cover a TE.
"Winter is coming"
Yeah, but would you want to waste his pass rushing abilities on that side full time? How often does a Sam LB even blitz?
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
No…I’d have him starting at defensive end. But that’s not my call. I didn’t draft the team…outside of recommending wood, I haven’t drafted anyone. Additionally given the quality of Eric Berry as a SS at the moment, I’d be perfectly comfortable with Berry coming down to cover the TE on passing downs. People picked players on who they liked rather than trying to actually draft a team that could work effectively in a role…because of that you have to give up on some things…like wasting Matthews pass rush skills, or having the most dominant DT we’ve seen come out in years in Suh sit on the bench in a 3-4 alignment.
"Winter is coming"
most dominant DT we’ve seen come out in years in Suh sit on the bench in a 3-4 alignment.
Not my fault.
Baseball is what we were. Football is what we have become. ~Mary McGrory
Never said it was…I love the pick. The comment was directed at CPs previous stated 3-4 alignment where he’d put Suh on the bench.
"Winter is coming"
There you go taking me serious again. Just imagine the sarcasm font when you see my screen name. Even in the 3-4 I would not sit Suh. I dont care if he stands up and rushes the QB, I want him on the field at all times. I think he would be a perfect FB on the goal line.
Baseball is what we were. Football is what we have become. ~Mary McGrory
Williams Ngata Suh Smith
Matthews Willis Vilma Dumervil
4-4?
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Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
Let either Vilma or Willis float in space, like I said earlier. Just be sure to mix it up, so they don’t know which gap to hit on draws.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Not that there would be much of a gap with Suh and Ngata.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
There’d be a huge gap.
Right in the QB’s chest.
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by Andrew Tessier on Jun 15, 2011 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
So do we agree? And Big Sed can sub in on passing downs, Jordan, Wilson and Casillas can proved fresh legs. With Revis/Greer/Porter/Robinson as our 4 corners and a mix of Jenkins and Berry at S, we’d dominate the league.
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As an upgrade to KR, Jacoby Ford (Oak)
would you move Desean Jackson back to WR
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He would take over KR duties from Jackson, if that’s what you’re asking. But he would also count towards the WRs, leaving us with just one spot left for a true #1 guy at the position. I’m fine with that, just saying a DB or RB might be a better KR option, since we have a little more wiggle room there. We have our shutdown CB. If Tolbert is our FB we don’t need a short yardage guy, meaning we could still afford a second RB/KR. I’m not super sold on Pierre there either, so we really could use two KRs.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
That's what I was thinking
Ford as PR and KR only? PT, not sold either but in reality, he’s was on KR, early on. With lots of #1 WR’s left, I hear ya. Tolbert is the option FB/KR?
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or Grimes CB/PR/KR a possibility?
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I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
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"It took me the longest time to realize I was a procrastinator"-Zach Galifianakis
Tolbert doesn’t return kicks. I’m just saying if you think of him as your short yardage back, you don’t need one of those at HB, freeing up one of the HB slots for a HB/KR.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Here’s a rundown on available KRs by primary position:
HBs
Maurice Jones-Drew – probably shouldn’t be returning kicks as a starter
Leon Washington
Darren Sproles – also returns punts, though we have that covered
Bernard Scott
Jerious Norwood
LaRod. Stephens-Howling
Lorenzo Booker
WRs
Percy Harvin
Dez Bryant
Danny Amendola
Jacoby Ford
Brandon Tate
Devin Thomas
Michael Spurlock
Eric Weems
Darius Reynaud – from Boutte LA, if we’re looking for a little local flavor
Marty Gilyard
Marc Mariani – Pro Bowler as a KR, contributes nothing otherwise
Emmanuel Sanders
CBs
Adam “Pac-Man” Jones
Nolan Carroll – just don’t trip him along the sidelines
Justin Tryon
There’s definitely a few guys there that could help in other areas, if we don’t wait too long.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Fitz + either Bryant or Harvin works for me. You’d still need another KR, though. Bryant AND Harvin … then you don’t have a true #1 WR. But you would have a bunch of very good ones.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I don’t see how you’d need another KR with Fitz + say Harvin. Harvin’s a great kick returner…we have a great punt guy in Jackson…a true number 1 WR in Fits…a number 2 in Jackson…Colston and Harvin as the 3 and 4 guys.
"Winter is coming"
Who would your second KR be? Pierre Thomas? I know he handled those duties early on.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I would have no problems with that. Thomas was actually an excellent KR for us. In fact most of our dynamic run backs he seemed to have been responsible for. Plus without being a main ball carrier, there’s less of a chance of him getting injured.
"Winter is coming"
Probably so on the injury thing. I just don’t remember him being very proficient at it.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Just saying the “(could still stand an upgrade)” note applied to BOTH Thomas and Meachem initially, and it still applies to Jackson, imo. I listed Jackson over Meachem upon his selection, but he truly has no more experience than him returning kickoffs.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Of course, had Harvin been selected first, you’d have the same situation at PR. None of them do both extensively.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Joshua Cribbs woulda...
been the best if the Browns pick hadn’t already been used. Coulda, shoulda, woulda…
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 16, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
What’s wrong with Hillis? Not saying I don’t like the Thomas pick, but I’d be just as ok with Jake Long or Ryan Clady, if it meant having Hillis for goal line carries.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Thomas averaged just shy of 26 yards per return his main year as one of our return guys…that wasn’t too shabby.
"Winter is coming"
It’s ok. That’s probably right around the league average. He’s never taken one all the way back, though.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Taking them all the way is overrated.
Give me a return guy who can consistently get the ball past the 30 yard line over someone who has “Take it to the house potential.”
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I don’t disagree whatsover. I’d much rather have the ball on offense, than to score too quickly and wear down on defense. Pierre’s not consistently getting it to the 30, though. You wouldn’t be much worse off with Ricky Proehl back there taking a knee.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Taking a knee gets you to the 25 without chance of injury, also. I believe 25 is the new rule.
Baseball is what we were. Football is what we have become. ~Mary McGrory
They didn’t change the touchback, did they? I thought it was just the kickoff point that got moved.
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Nope, you’re right. I was thinking of this article.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/16/nfl-considers-kickoffs-at-35-yard-line-touchbacks-to-25-yard-line/
Baseball is what we were. Football is what we have become. ~Mary McGrory
Generally speaking, of course. If your opponent pulls ahead by three or less with under to minutes left, you’re definitely going to want that home run threat. Even if they squib kick to avoid him, you don’t have very far to travel for the tying FG.
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Yeah.
I used the general rule assumption too. It is awesome in game to have those 6-7 points added right after the other team scores, but the defense got maybe 2-3 minutes of time on the bench while their defense hasn’t been on the field in 2 drives.
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"I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...Rapture!"
Exactly. The 2008 Saints-Vikings game is a great example of that,albeit on punt returns. Doesn’t really matter how fast your opponent scores. As long as you’re answering those scores — which is inherently easier to do against a winded defense — you stand a pretty good chance of winning the game.
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He may not be an all-star, but with a 26 yard return average (that Jeff mentioned)
That’s close enough to avoid having to throw away an entire team’s roster over.
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The main one that sits in my mind is the 40 yard return in the NFCCG.
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He had another one where he got chased down at the 16 yard line. Hard to tell it’s a kickoff, but the guy he runs by is obviously the kicker. He finished what he started two plays later, which is the next play on the tape.
Devery Henderson, making absurd grabs for my teams since 2001.
by Andrew Tessier on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
God I love Pierre.
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dun dun dun ...
another one bites the dust.
the programmerman is now on the clock.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
With the 14th pick in the Canal Street Chronicles' Roster Revamp Draft
Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings
Yeah yeah yeah, I know Harvin’s name has been mentioned over and over and over…oh yeah, and over, but I just can’t let pass a back of the caliber of Peterson that can be an 8 in the box type of player. Even without that threat and the receivers we already have, Brees regularly shreds the D, and imagine if they can only get single coverage with nothing over the top on the outside?
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 17, 2011 7:24 AM CDT reply actions
It’s hard to argue with a proven franchise RB. I still like Fitzgerald and Bryant as our two remaining WRs, with Bryant handling KR duties. I also think this pick eliminates the need for Jones-Drew, thereby freeing Jacksonville up for a useful backup, such as Blaine Gabbert or Mercedes Lewis, a FB in Greg Jones or even a kicker. Josh Scobee’s one of the more accurate place kickers in the league and he’s from Louisiana Tech. Not a real hot bed for talent there, so maybe something to consider.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
We could also go Jacoby Ford in lieu of Bryant and nab Jason Witten instead. Love DeMarcus Ware, just not sure that that’s the wisest way to spend the Dallas pick.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I already mentioned about Ford, all on board with that one. I think he would fill that kick returner role well. Imagine him and Jackson back for a kick, who do you kick to?
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 17, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
No Blaine Gabbert. I still say we go with Ryan Mallett as our backup. Or Sam Bradford.
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If he's still there I'm going Bradford.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 17, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I had actually considered Scobee when I picked, but couldn’t pass up on the true franchise back when the chance was there.
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 17, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Good pick.
Peterson with Ingram as a backup and Thomas as a change of pace gives a damn good rushing attack.
Plus, it frees up Pierre to handle kickoff return duties.
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15th Pick: Larry Fitzgerald, WR of the Arizona Cardinals
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Nice
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by Andrew Tessier on Jun 17, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Love the pick.
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I considered that pick.
Gates would be an excellent one.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
it's like you were reading cp's mind
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 17, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I had asked for guidance a few days ago. It would have been tacky to ignore good suggestions. BTW, I spent a bunch of time trying to come up with a fullback, but I couldn’t figure out who would be best. I’ll be interested to see who it will be (e.g., Ovie Mughelli, the injury prone Madison Hedgecock, or someone else; Mike Tolbert is now out of the running).
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by Dang Hu Dat on Jun 17, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Indianapolis and New England don’t carry a FB, so we have to be sure not to paint ourselves into that corner. Lousaka Polite and Marcel Reese are both fairly solid FBs. I’ll post a more comprehensive list later tonight.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Didn’t the Pats pick up Ridley in the draft because he has FB potential – not that you’d want him as a FB, but that’s the word on the street up here …word
by snowboard_kat on Jun 17, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
WTH is that?
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
what’s that for exactly?
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
I think when looking at your profile, if you click on it you can jump to that spot in the post.
Maybe MARY JANE will load up and pass the PEACE PIPE around the conference room and they’ll all get happy in a big hurry, which might just help speed up the process. - HansDat
Or you could hit ‘z’ to go to the newest unread post, rendering such confusing posts quite unnecessary.
trapped in grammar and calendars.
I've tried hitting all those letters to jump around and is not working on my computer.
Therefore my Thread Trackers. If you know what I am doing wrong please inform or criticize whichever floats your boat.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 18, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Must be a Windows 7 thing
Usually use my desktop at home and none of those letters work on it. For sh*ts n giggles tried my laptop and they all work. Laptop has Vista operating system and the DT has W-7. Have had other issues with the Win 7 on my desktop before. One of Dave’s podcast wouldn’t play on it either and had to use my Laptop to listen. So I guess everyone will have to bear with me when I’m on my DT. I’ll have to use the Thread trackers with it.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 18, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve got windows 7 and it works fine, I also use google chrome for my browser though
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
I'm using Firefox...
I’ve had other issues with it before but I hate having to reload bookmarks etc when using/installing a new browser. How do you like Google Chrome? Firefox seems to work fine with Vista though. Just having problems with the Win 7 and Firefox. I know a lot of people didn’t like Vista but I never had the problems with it I seem to have with Win 7.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 18, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m using Win 7 with Opera, but I’ve used it with Firefox, Chrome and IE. It works fine for me
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available fullbacks
Andre Brown – converted HB
Earnest Graham – 31 yrs old
Chris Gronkowski
Ahmard Hall – 31 yrs old
Madison Hedgecock – Pro Bowl alternate
James Johnson – from Baton Rouge
Greg Jones – 30 yrs old, injury prone
Mike Karney – former Saint, recently outright released by Rams
Brian Leonard
Brit Miller – huge
Sammy Morris – 34 yrs old, more of a HB
Ovie Mughelli – 31 yrs old, Pro Bowler
Montell Owens – Pro Bowler, excellent on special teams
Lousaka Polite
Marcel Reece
Gijon Robinson – can also play TE
Michael Robinson – converted HB, can also play QB
Charles Scott – LSU! LSU!
Mike Sellers – 35 yrs old, Pro Bowler
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
In reference to versatility, what if a player might be playing out of position as of now…Can we “convert” them to a fullback? examples: LeGarrette Blount and Brandon Jacobs could very well be fullbacks, but they’re used as full time halfbacks. I guess the same could be said for Tolbert in San Diego…but he was listed at a FB and kind of had to fill in full time.
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
They should have been listed as a FB at some point in their career. Like Peyton Hillis was a FB for Denver. We not just going to take it upon ourselves to stick a bigger RB at FB. Yes, it might give us a better short yardage back in combination, but I DO value lead blocking. And we have a fourth HB slot afforded us for a bigger halfback. Not like we’re relegated to three there.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I was kind of thinking that too, (having to be officially listed at FB), kinda wish we could have got McClain from Baltimore too or like you said with Hillis.
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
I would have liked to have had Hillis, just not sure about as a FB. That would be like having Mike Alstott or Keith Byars as a FB. Just not a real asset, in terms of run blocking. Larry Centers, on the other hand, was an excellent blocker, as well as a solid all around contributor. Mack Strong was, too. You don’t really have FBs like that any more. Of this list, a guy like Michael Robinson is almost laughable in that role, though he would bring a ton of versatility to the team otherwise.
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Q:Is Dez Bryant still an option?
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Yes, definitely. I meant as far as coverage and blocking goes. Being that so many Saints are becoming back-ups and that’s where back-ups typically contribute.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I suspect that would be typical
of any team you did this for. Since salary cap isn’t an issue, you get the best of the best on the team. Any one team only has so much money to get talent.
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 18, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The cream of our crop (Brees, Evans and Nicks) are still likely to start among their elite peers. It’s not like anyone is being slighted.
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Good
Trying to stay young. Even though Dez is a better returner, does that move bump L.Moore to ST?
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With the 17th pick in the 2011 CSC Roster Revamp BASAINT selects.......
Since we are hurting on OT and G I will get us some depth with a guy versatile to play both positions in my opinion. He is the best player on the Miami Dolphins team. BASAINT selects Jake Long OT Miami Dolphins/ Michigan Wolverines!
Waste…we have Joe Thomas and Jordan Gross at OT, and Evans and Nicks at G. Cam Wake would’ve been better, as would Vontae Davis and Brandon Marshall.
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or Lousaka (sp?) Polite at FB would have filled that position
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Polite or Dan Carpenter would have been my pick, but it’s impossible to argue Long’s talent. I would have taken him over Wake. We have Cam Jordan waiting in the wings and numerous other top flight DEs are still available. Gross is also soon to be 31 years old. If anything, I would have preferred another Panther. Regardless, Long provides exceptional depth at a crucial position.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
The only other Panther worth taking would have been Beason, and with Vilma and Willis in the middle, he’d have been relegated to the bench anyways
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Beason is an OLB
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No. He played outside while Thomas Davis was injured. Dan Connor took his spot in the middle until he, too, got injured. Beason has played inside his whole career.
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Oops.
My bad.
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Cam Newton as a back up would have made sense later on in the draft. On the flipside, Michael Roos or Donald Penn would have been solid OT picks, too. Earnest Graham is getting up there in age and isn’t the blocker Polite is. Long/Bironas is probably better than Roos/Carpenter. Tampa still has Freeman to offer. I dunno, you could nitpick these to death.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
If someone takes Jacoby Ford over Dez Bryant as our WR/KR, Montell Owens should be our FB.
If Dez Bryant nabs that spot, we can wait a while longer, being that Marcel Reece could still be had. Just about all of the other legit FB options — outside of Oakland and Tampa — kill off better talent pools, imo.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
you could nitpick these to death.
I was just thinking that and was going to post almost that same type-age when I got back from the restroom, not everyone will agree with the pick, but that’s the flaw/fun in this…the team will not be “perfect” because everyone has different knowledge and preference in players.
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Exactly. Even when we’re finished, we could probably play the puzzle shift game and come up with better combinations.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
we could essentially do this hundreds of times (in different orders) and it would be different every time…and if the lockout keeps going on…we just might have a chance to do that! (oh God…)
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
I actually did something similiar to this a few years back with 11 other guys. Without keepers, though. And you also had to follow suit, like in UNO … suits being team, offense, defense or other … other being special teams and/or head coach. We called it a gamut draft, in that all 32 teams had to be represented. Of course, teams were far less talent laden than this one and you didn’t have the luxury of nixing deadbeat participants who missed their turns. Dragged on all summer, but it was a lot of fun. We also did an all-time draft one year, but that one didn’t have the following suit rule in place, just the 32 team stipulation. You really had to know your sh** for that one, especially franchise lineage for the defunct teams and obscure tenures, that ultimately helped you knock out the less talented teams historically. For example, someone nabbed Reggie White as their Panther very early on. Excellent designation there, as it left both the Packers and Eagles open for him later on. I’ve been jonesing to do another one of those, just don’t have that sort of free time anymore.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Jordan Gross waste why not Beason
Pardon me but Jordan Gross couldn’t hold Jake Long’s shoe laces. Not my fault you took Jordan Gross with the 2nd pick. He is not the best LT in the game today. I would take Joe Thomas and Jake Long first if I were building a team. We have to have depth on the the team. I’m not taking Cameron Wake with my pick. He had a 1 nice year. If I’m not mistaking didn’t we have a guy by he name of Charles Grant who had one good year? I’m not touching Brandon Marshall with a 10 foot pole. That guy needs to separate from that woman before she kills him. I’m not a fan of Vontae Davis. He is fast but he still can’t guard the big physical Colston types. I’m very pleased with my selection thank you.
That’s fine. Defend your s***ty pick. I had already made my pick, and you lost us one of the best fullbacks left, essentially meaning we have to take Montell Owens and lose out on Marcedes Lewis and MJD. Congrats.
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S***ty picks all around. According to the poll your pick wasnt so hot either. Next time before you jump someone, atleast have 48% of the vote.
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30 Teams
You had 30 teams to choose from and you chose Jordan Gross. You have zero credibility in my book. I chose one of the top 3 LT in the game today. Not to mention he is versatile enough to play G. You are talking to me about a FB? I’ll give you an Ocho Cinco Child Pleaz
Because who else do you take on Carolina? Beason and you stash him on the bench because of Vilma and Willis. They have no one else worth taking. There were already two Pro Bowl tackles and two Pro Bowl guards on the team. We don’t have a FB. We could use another pass-rushing DE. Vontae Davis would have saved us using up Oakland for Nnamdi, who’s on a slow decline, and we could take Zach Miller or Darren McFadden, or Richard Seymour instead. Wouldn’t take Brandon Marshall? The guy makes plays. 22 passes caught in a single game? Are you serious? Gross/Any player other than Jake Long on Miami > Jake Long+Benched Jon Beason.
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To be honest
I think Beason would have a fair chance of beating out Vilma.
That being said, calm down. We don’t need Dave to break out the hose.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Carolina Panthers I would take
Yea because James Anderson and Thomas Davis would be horrible picks. You could’ve even made a few people happy with a SHHHOOOCCKKKEEYYYY! It’s all good though. I still love Jake Long and I would trade any of our Tackles for him today. That’s interesting would you trade any of our Tackles and Carl Nicks for Jake Long? I think I would. Anyone else have a thought?
New idea for FB: I think Dallas Clark could be listed as a fullback seing as they have no official one, and I’ve seen him in the backfield before as a fullback-type player. We can pick him up as our 2nd/3rd TE/FB…if someone wants to…just an idea
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He does play some H-back, but he’s never been officially listed as one. Gijon Robinson fills the same role when he’s out, with Tamme taking over full time TE duties. Regardless, neither of them are anything close to a lead blocker, so we’d wind up being forced to take another. I’d rather grab a true FB first, then tinker with creativity late, if we can afford to.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
To clarify, Clark would be a TE with fill in capability at FB, not unlike Wood at guard. Ideally, you don’t want either as a starter in those fill in positions.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
would he be a starter with Gates on the team though? I’d like to have both their talents on the field…but I see what your saying
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Is there a way we can start a new “cont’d” thread? this one is starting to freeze up when I load it at work with so many comments on it
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Too much of a hassle. I’d have to copy and paste, then re-bolden everything. Rec up the new post, delete this one to avoid confusion … and then we’d lose all the pick suggestions. Don’t delete it and it remains pinned due to the recs.
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The Pick is In: Dez Bryant
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Pierre Thomas remains the backup KR to Dez Bryant. That position could still use an upgrade imo, but it’s not the end of the world if it remains as is. WR becomes the first non-special teams position to max out. We’re also scraping the bottom of the talent pool in Oakland. Just a heads up.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Yes and while I wasn’t big on that pick from the get-go based strictly on his age, he’s starting to look like the one that makes the most sense as a Raider.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
My short list:
Jaguars – Marcedes Lewis, TE. Can block and catch. We could also go with their FB. Don;t know who he is
Steelers – Maurkice Pouncey, G/C. Versatile, very good C. Could also take Lawrence Timmons as an ILB
Falcons – Ovie Mughelli, FB. Very good FB. Could also take Curtis Lofton as a MLB or Sean Weatherspoon
Rams – James Laurinaitis, LB. All I could think of from the Rams, but he’d make a good MLB selection
That’s just off the top of my head, but that’s who I like from those teams. I’m quite sure others will come along and correct me about my list because there will be better players, but I’d appreciate those suggestions because it will make this All-Star team even better :)
Sam Bradford from the Rams…still need a solid backup
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
This
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Depending when the Jags selection is made, MJD could be a solid pickup. Would push PT out of kick return too.
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Instead of MJD, just take me! I’m the exact same size as him and would demand only 1/16th of his pay, the only con is I run about 1/16th of his speed
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
5’7" 210? I might have to start calling you Puck.
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Ovie Maghelli would also be a good pickup
And just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I'm going to plant my seed in you.
Iffy on Mughelli. He’s a great blocker, but he’s 31 and on very talented team.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Jacksonville’s FB is Montell Owens, a Pro Bowler on special teams and fine blocker. If you watched the Pro Bowl this past year or saw highlights, he was the guy that scored on Hester’s fumble. He later scored a second TD on a dump off pass and could have easily been named the game’s MVP, had the AFC won. Here’s a decent article on his selection to the team here. Seems like a guy who has his sh** together.
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Ahh.. thanks!
I had a feeling he was talked about somewhere on CSC and that he was quite good. Thank you for doing the research CP! Very much appreciated. Owens sounds like a very good choice for the team too. So many choices…
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 19, 2011 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Earl Thomas from Seattle
He can play FS and SS. Cuts out two positions
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 19, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Don’t forget, aside from Jones-Drew (whose selection would nix Owens) we could still go Rashard Mendenhall as our short yardage/power back. There’s only one HB spot left.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
I like Mendenhall as the power back.
Most of Steelers talent is at positions we are already strong at. Front 7 and SS (Eric Berry is good enough to not warrant the need to grab Polamalu).
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I do like Matt Spaeth a lot as a blocking TE. I’m hoping we land him in real life (UFA). Not sure we need a blocking TE on this revamped team, though. We could have Gross report as an eligible receiver, and attain a jumbo package just as effective as with Spaeth, if not more so.
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BAWAHAHAHAHAA
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Jun 20, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
With the 28th, er 26th,er 20th...er 19th pick @1425 CDT
I pick Sam Bradford, St Louis, Rams…may we never need him. I know some were recommending Matty Ice but I think that Bradford was the real Cool One last season. He had an amazing Rookie season considering he was playing on a one dimensional team. I know strength of schedule as well as playing in the worst division in the league played a factor but give this kid some help and I believe he will be a force to be reckoned with.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 20, 2011 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
I waaas going to take him,
but kept moving up, b/c of no shows. Good Job. The TB QB was close, still like him.
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Yeah Josh was my backup plan
If the Rams had already been burnt.
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by cajuncommando58 on Jun 22, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d say the twelve roster spots we need to fill and best players from remaining teams to fill them are:
FB— Montell Owens, Jacksonville Jaguars
TE— Dallas Clark, Indianapolis Colts
OG— Tyson Clabo, Atlanta Falcons
OG— Davin Joseph, Brandon Carter, or Jeremy Zuttah, Tampa Bay Buccanears
C— Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh Steelers
DE— Justin Tuck OR Osi Umenori, New York Giants
DT— Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots
OLB— Rey Maualuga or Keith Rivers, Cincinatti Bengals
ILB— London Fletcher, Washington Redskins
CB— Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland Raiders
FS— Earl Thomas, Seattle Seahawks
K— Rob Bironis, Tennessee Titans
Of these, I’d say Asomugha, Pouncey, Bironis, and Owens are the most crucial.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 20, 2011 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
Clabo wouldn’t satisfy the need for four legitimate guards. He’s a tackle that can play guard, not vice versa. I’d also rather Mendenhall than Pouncey. The difference between Pouncey and Wood as a starter wouldn’t justify not having a short yardage back, imo. I’ve been considering Bironas and I think that’s a good pick. Not sure about Fletcher. Excellent player, but he’s 36 years old. Zuttah’s a good utility pick, in that he can play all three OL positions. Leaning towards a couple of these guys myself, with my upcoming pick. Could use a little tweaking, but not bad overall.
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I think Poucey, like Wood, could be considered at both Guard and Center, which is what makes him attractive. Same with Clabo- versatility. Those swing players make it easier to pick game-day actives. The only other players on Atlanta’s roster that I like who fit our remaining needs would be K Matt Bryant and LB Sean Witherspoon.
Ive no problem with Tamme over Clark for the sake of youth. Fletcher is an excellent player who is old, but my struggle is to fill the needs with only the remaining teams. If we take another position from Washington, like say DE Orakpo, then that takes away possibly to best two options for the positions we need on the Giants. Bironas is young which is a plus— that young and known to make a ton of 50 yard FG’s almost makes him a slam dunk.
I think of the remaining DT’s, CB’s, FB’s, FS’s, and K’s, Wilfork, Asomugha, Ownens, Thomas, and Bironis are our best options.
Of the remaining teams, I’m open to any combination of G, G, DE, TE, and C. Or perhaps one less interior lineman with one more versatile one and the addition of Power RB you desire.
P.S. Thanks for giving me last pick. Very cool of you.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 21, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
and OLB and ILB— my computer or internet won’t let me edit above post.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 21, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
In another 14 minutes, unless a last minute pick comes in you get to be next to last.
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 21, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Jacob Tamme? He’s considerably younger than Dallas Clark and put up similar numbers this past season. Clark can line up as an H-back or WR, just not sure we need a bunch of gimmickry in this offense.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
The coaches haven't changed
At least that is the impression I got from this. What makes you think there won’t be a bunch of gimmickry with this much talent?
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 21, 2011 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Tuck over Osi, the latter has regressed.
Rivers over Maualuga, though I wouldn’t be terribly upset if we got younger (and consequently more depth) at CB and nabbed Leon Hall or Johnathan Joseph.
At this point I’d take Landry over Fletcher. He has the youth and intangibles to compete for a starting spot, but he’s a bit boneheaded and prone to bite on a pump. However, he’s a beast in the box.
Nnamdi if someone takes Rivers.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Last year Osi and Tuck had the same amount of sacks. Tuck was my first choice, but then I noticed Osi had 10 forced fumbles.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 21, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
How many of those forced fumbles were recovered?
His last year was better than his ‘09 outing, but he isn’t as consistent as I’d like an end to be.
Tuck is also more versatile – we can shift him to DT in a pinch on passing downs, and that adds needed depth.
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
How many of those forced fumbles were recovered?
Irrelevant. His teammates will be 1000 times more astute playing for Gregg Williams.
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Guaranteed?
"In fact, Sterger claims that, in one of the photos Favre allegedly sent her, he's masturbating — while wearing a pair of Crocs"
Just waking up or just going to bed? Maybe you need someone to tire you out. Just sayin’.
by snowboard_kat on Jun 22, 2011 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions
right, a completely random thought on your part with no personal involvement whatsoever….she was thinking of sending Mike Tyson over to spar with you for a few hours.
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 22, 2011 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
she was thinking of sendingMike Tysonherself over to spar with you for a few hours.
Fixed.
by snowboard_kat on Jun 22, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like personal involvement
Free your mind
by theprogrammerman on Jun 22, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope pizzas pick is as yummy as his mock draft pick was. Its sure taking him long enough. My computer must suck because this thread is crashing on me.
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Count me out. This is getting to be too much for my computer. It was fun while it lasted. Just to type this my cursor is going crazy.
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Knowing the tendency of people to overlook the interior OL, I want to make sure we get some quality depth here, before we’re left with nothing but scraps. We’ve also already met the minimum requirements at both DE and DT, so I think we can afford to go in a different direction with this particular team. With the 20th pick, I’m going with one of the more underrated guards in the NFL, Chris Snee of the New York Giants.
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Nice pick.
Breesus Christ Superstar is on the clock.
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What about DeAngelo Hall from Washington? It would fill up the last CB spot, and push PT out of kick return
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My computer battery bit the dust.
…a day before my pick. I got a replacement and would be willing to hop back in for a pick, if a spot opens.
MeAngello Hall over Nnamdi Asomugha? No thanks.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jun 21, 2011 9:58 PM CDT reply actions
This.
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Give me Cortland Finnegan over either. We could use a little nasty on this team.
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Speaking of overrated...
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DeAngelo Hall+Darren McFadden over Nnamdi Asomugha+Clinton Portis? Yes please.
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Asomugha + Orakpo or Grimes + Orakpo
I still like Legarrette Blount TB
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Blount’s ok, but I’d rather Mendenhall. We have no proven starter beyond Peterson. Give me Ruud or more OL depth (Penn, Joseph or Zuttah) from the Bucs.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Michael Roos and Logan Mankins are two other very good linemen that are still available. Just saying. Not like we’re exactly hurting there. FYI, I shied away from Mankins for Snee, to keep Wilfork available. He’s a true 3-4 NT, something we don’t currently have on the roster.
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What about Ngata?
Speaking of Ngata… can you list him as a TE or a T? the Ravens do utilize him on goal line plays and probably less than a yard 4th down plays
by Ezio_Auditore on Jun 22, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The revamp draft continues here. Please refrain from posting in this thread, as it’s about to fall off of the main page. Also, please help rec up the new thread. Thanks.
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