Fingertips my ass! The long pass that Meachem dropped was nobody's fault but his own. The ball was perfectly thrown, right where it needed to be. In fact, I don't know if it gets any better than that.
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Yeah I saw it the same way
Wish that picture was a little clearer, but you can still clearly see it was in his hands and not the finger tips. If I remember correctly it looked like he made the classic mistake of looking away before securing the catch.
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 16, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
Thank you Dave!
Right in his hands! Drew Brees never misses those! 99.91./2% he’s on the money with those throws.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
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That pass was right on the money
You can’t throw it any better than that. Meachem should have caught it, no doubt about it
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
“You can’t throw it any better than that. "
He was almost on his knees!
Of course, it could have been thrown better than that.
Hit him in stride…. better chance to actually catch it, and WAY better chance to actually score.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
Meachem lost his footing on the turf monster
The pass was on the money, Meachem stumbled, the ball still hit him in the hands, and he dropped it
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Definitely on Meachem
Perfect pass. Looked like Meachem fell over his own feet. Perhaps the newly installed turf was to blame. Had Meachem caught the ball in stride there’s no doubt that that would have been six.
Child, please. A perfect pass would be on the numbers. His arms were completely extended at the intitial point of contact. Yes, he should have caught it, but part of the blame lies in a less-than-perfectly placed ball. And it sure as hell isn’t going through his ARMS.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Back it up a few frames. The photos above are Meachem’s attempt at bringing in the deflection AFTER it hit his fingertips.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Back it up a few frames. The photos above are Meachem’s attempt at bringing in the deflection AFTER it hit his fingertips.
This is absolutely false. The images you are seeing are his first and only attempt at catching the ball. The ball was never deflected. YOU back it up a few frames and proof me wrong.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 16, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The images you are seeing are his first and only attempt at catching the ball.
This is absolutely false. The initial fingertip contact was above his head. This is clearly below the shoulders.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Wrong. Where's the tip? Notice his arms and hands the whole time.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 16, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
You know CP is going to still say this pass wasn't where it should be
but this that is a more that catchable ball looking at it frame by frame.
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by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
*than
" I’ve never done drugs but I think watching Matty Ice stare blankly towards the field as Drew Brees kneels down while clock hits zero in a playoff game would be like doing cocaine off a strippers @$$#….yeah that good.
Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
there was another play that was tipped
i think that is the play you are referring to
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by skinnykinney on Aug 16, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, by a SF defender. I thought Meachem had slowed down the trajectory of the ball, then took another stab at it as it fell. That’s what I was referring to as a tip. More like a bobble, which still probably happened, just not as I envisioned it from above.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Ok, it wasn’t as overthrown as it appeared from the terrace. It’s still not on the numbers, as he’s having to extend.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
His elbows are bent...
He’s BARELY extending.
He’s also leaning forward, which is part of the extension. It’s all compensation for a slight overthrow. A perfect pass would be over his shoulder, against his chest. The receiver would have no reason to stretch, lean or crouch.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
More nitpicking for the sake of argument
It was an excellent NFL pass, very catchable. Significantly worse passes than this have been caught by Saints receivers. This was a good pass by Drew.
He’s leaning because he was falling….wish we had a wide angle replay and some humility.
by BlackandGold4ever on Aug 16, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Over his shoulder . . .
. . . and against his chest. "
Yeah, it’s definitely Brees’ fault; he’s so old that he can no longer throw his patented “Boomerang Pass.”
He’s thrown that type of pass countless times. This one is clearly off the mark. Meachem made a fine attempt to lunge low enough and forward enough to snare the errant throw. He just didn’t manage to bring it in. It’s on both he and Brees.
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I disagree completely
As a receiver, albeit not a professional one, I do not prefer to catch the ball over my shoulder and against my chest.
Generally, in order to shield defenders, a receiver will slow up to extend their arms away from their body and catch the ball outstretched as opposed to tight to the body where a defender has more of an ability to make a play on the ball.
Furthermore, receivers (Good receivers) all use their hands for catching as opposed to their bodies and try to keep the ball away from the pads, which disrupt many a catch attempt.
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by hooahsaint2.0 on Aug 17, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
now you're just nit pickin CP
u act like he had to lay out for the thing
" I’ve never done drugs but I think watching Matty Ice stare blankly towards the field as Drew Brees kneels down while clock hits zero in a playoff game would be like doing cocaine off a strippers @$$#….yeah that good.
Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
What does this mean
(TWYMS)©
" I’ve never done drugs but I think watching Matty Ice stare blankly towards the field as Drew Brees kneels down while clock hits zero in a playoff game would be like doing cocaine off a strippers @$$#….yeah that good.
Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
beat me to it
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 16, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh ok
" I’ve never done drugs but I think watching Matty Ice stare blankly towards the field as Drew Brees kneels down while clock hits zero in a playoff game would be like doing cocaine off a strippers @$$#….yeah that good.
Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If nitpicking is the opposite of laying 100% blame on Meachem, when it clearly wasn’t 100% his fault, then I’m fine with nitpicking.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
by coldpizza on Aug 16, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i am interested CP – I think you are in agreement on the “long-slow decline” theory espoused by stujo (please correct me if i am wrong). Which QBs in the league would you think would consistently throw that ball better than Drew in 2011?
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. You can be in decline and still be better than everyone else in a certain statistical category.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
if you
go a few more frames U see him turn his head before he secures the ball.
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 16, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Made it green!
Dave is obviously correct, but I’m sure CP will argue anyway.
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Aug 16, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
And this is just preseason
can’t wait till it actually counts for something
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 16, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This is great.
It has been a while since Dave has had been fired up about someting.
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by jeremysherwin on Aug 16, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus H Keeerist
Does it have to TOUCH the numbers to be “on the numbers”???
by GlackAndBold on Aug 16, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d say ‘no’.
It doesn’t have to touch the numbers, but it does have to be in the direction of the numbers.
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OWNED!
That was a perfectly thrown ball. No question.
Meach dropped it because he lost his footing. Had he retained it, the ball would’ve hit him in the damn gut.
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by hooahsaint2.0 on Aug 17, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Yall are talking about 2 different plays.
CP is talking about the Chase Daniel pass down the sideline to Meachem that looked tipped.
Dave is talking about the post route pass from Brees that should have been caught.
And i do think it was a perfect pass, the defender had no shot to deflect it and it hit Meachem in the hands, thats what he gets paid to do.
Although CP knows everything so no point in argueing
by touchdown my pants on Aug 16, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
the defender had no shot to deflect it
Exactly why it was an ideal pass. Had the ball been thrown “between the numbers”, the defender nearest Meachem could have deflected it.
false
meachem had pretty decent seperation. when i saw the play it looked more like and underthrow. looked like meachem had to slow a bit and it was somewhat to his right. I can assure you that Drew would want another chance at that throw if given one even if he made the catch. Now could Meachem catch the ball that was thrown? yes. the defender had no shot to deflect it doesn’t seem true to me. CB didn’t turn his head around till it was too late imo. If he turns earlier that ball is deflected or possibly intercepted. Good throw? yes. great throw? no. horrible drop by meachem? heck yeah.
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 16, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
We’re not talking about two different plays. Meachem wasn’t even running in stride on the one from Daniel. He had to wait on the ball. This one was a slight overthrow. It should have been caught. No doubt about that. Had the Daniel pass not been tipped by a defender and hit Meachem in the hands, then that would be an UNDERTHROW that should have been caught. In either case, it doesn’t excuse the off-targetness of the pass. I’d say this one is 90% Meachem, 10% Brees on the throw.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
No it wasn't a perfect pass.
He actually had to catch up with it. He should have had it but he tried to head for the G-line before he had secured the catch.
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 16, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
OMG...
am I actually could to agree with CP? (at least partially)
You’re 100% right… it was NOT in the slighted a perfect pass.
Besides his arms being fully extended, he was almost on his knees.
Because of Meach’s speed and skill he came close to catching it. But that was certainly not a “gimme”.
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Of course, if we want to be technical, it went through more than his fingertips… the palm, the wrist, and part of his foreARM were involved – according to the pics.
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The ball was perfectly thrown, right where it needed to be. In fact, I don’t know if it gets any better than that.
Between the 1 and the 7 would be better than that.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
The throw was over his shoulder
a pass between the 1 and 7 would have hit him in the back. I’m not sure you’re thinking of the same throw.
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 16, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
He dropped two passes. One from Brees, one from Daniel. Brees has dropped many, many passes over a receiver’s shoulder on the numbers. The mere fact that he’s extending his arms PROVES that it wasn’t a “perfect” throw. It doesn’t PROOF it, however.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
The one from Daniel may have been deflected by the defender. He had to wait for it and it was also double coverage. Daniel was lucky it wasn’t intercepted. The throw by Brees was definitely better, but it still wasn’t textbook. Some of the blame for the drop lies in that fact.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
this debate over whether it was "perfect" or not is pretty pointless
Pretty sure Drew knows by now where the pass needs to be for Meach or any other of his receivers to catch it.
The pass was definitely good enough to be caught by an NFL veteran receiver, by a wideout on your favorite college team playing its most hated rival, or by a split end playing in his high school homecoming game.
In fact, if my seven-year-old were playing Pee Wee football and didn’t catch a pass thrown like that from his QB, he might be running laps.
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Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
isn’t the qbs job to put the ball in a spot where only his WR can catch it? It hit meachem in the arms and the CB had no shot, how can it get anymore perfect, what more could you ask?
by touchdown my pants on Aug 16, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions
Meachem had a step on the defender. Had Brees dropped it over his shoulder into his breadbasket, the defender would have still had no shot at intercepting it. See the Henderson TD against Detroit in the 2009 opener. THAT was a perfectly thrown pass.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Had Brees dropped it over his shoulder into his breadbasket
That’s exactly what happened.
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He was holding his breadbasket out infront of him.
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by cscmember on Aug 16, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t know Robert Meachem. I’ve broken breadbaskets with Robert Meachem.
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
That’s why he missed the catch! His breadbasket was broken.
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by MobileSaint on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
How can a quarterback, who is throwing paralell to the football field to a reciever who is running a post route, hit the reciever between the numbers while the reciever is running at the that angle?
answer: it is impossible due to the angle the quarterback is throwing the ball at and the point to where by the reciever catches the ball.
The only true way to hit a reciever between the numbers is a stop and go route, or where
the reciever turns their body back towards the quarterback.
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by jeremysherwin on Aug 16, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 16, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn! My ass died and went to hell.....
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Can we post a picture of an ass and compliment it?
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Sure why not..
That is one hell of a fine ass!
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Ohhh!!!
And they removed the pic of Kim I posted?!?!?!
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 17, 2011 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Curse this picture for making me dissatisfied with a committed relationship. I try to avert my eyes but the focal humps keep drawing me back in.
I'm not going to spank your hams.
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now you’re green
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speaking of nice ass...
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 16, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
is that snowboard kat?
Thumbs up, everybody...
For rock and roll!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Aug 16, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
YES! (supposedly)
I was wondering if anyone would notice.
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 16, 2011 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
If someone doubts her authenticity, she could always hold up something written with her screenname in a photo.
Personally, were I her, I’d rather leave everyone guessing. More fun that way.
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by hooahsaint2.0 on Aug 17, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If someone doubts her authenticity, she could always hold up something written with her screenname in a photo.
I like that idea. She could have a kat loves coldpizza sign stuck to a pizza box in the fridge.
There's a fine line between love and hate.
She could have a katlovesused to love coldpizza sign stuck to a pizza box in the fridge.
by snowboard_kat on Aug 17, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately he knows I can’t stay mad at him. The Jerk.
by snowboard_kat on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
cryzycajn should have never posted his picture. c***block
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 17, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
…and how are all your female patients today Dr.Jekyll? swooning are they? ;)
by snowboard_kat on Aug 17, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been busy today. 3 surgeries. Full clinic. A few swooners, but they know I’m taken ;)
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 17, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
only a few…slow day, huh?
I’ll swoon if that helps your stats ;)
by snowboard_kat on Aug 17, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s very kind, but no pity swoons, please.
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 17, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t do pity swoons…you’re swoon worthy…and slightly arrogant, but it’s part of your charm ;)
by snowboard_kat on Aug 18, 2011 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Guilty as charged. I like to call it “swagger”. Others like to say “jackass”. I’m cool with either one.
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 18, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
you finally came to me...
i knew it would happen. muahahahaha
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Now you’re just teasing us. It’s cruel
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 17, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
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Where do we go from here???
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
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I’m touched. I wish you could see how much.
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by coldpizza on Aug 17, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Annnnnnnd now it's creepy again.
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 18, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, this is brilliant.
The question nobody seems to be asking, however, is: who is taking these pictures?
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 17, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT'S what you're curious about??
sigh.
by snowboard_kat on Aug 18, 2011 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions
He's just jealous. ;-)
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by snowboard_kat on Aug 18, 2011 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Waiting for Preston to enlarge her crotch and point out the poo stain.
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Brown noser. The Dave doesn’t need anyone to agree with him.
There's a fine line between love and hate.
“I don’t know if it gets any better than that.”
It would be better if he didn’t have to leave his feet to get it into his arms. ;-)
ie. “hit him in stride”
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"I don’t know if it gets any better than that."
TWSS
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by MobileSaint on Aug 16, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Hands are part of the arm.
I’ll play coldpizza this time!
lol great movie
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 16, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You guys are kinda testy for the first preseason game. Still working off the lockout animosity?
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Pizza is having his way with us. He loves getting people worked up. Just ask kat.
There's a fine line between love and hate.
I actually agree with CP. The ball should have been caught, but it’s hardly the greatest pass of all time.
trapped in grammar and calendars.
A lot of the “greatest passes of all time” were hardly thrown in the ole’ breadbasket which mr. cp and probably others in this forum would agree qualifies as at least great placement of said rock = pigskin. If he caught it, great pass. I believe the announcer would have said something along the lines of “great pass, better catch!”
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by oldguardjoey on Aug 16, 2011 11:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
FIFY…
A lot of the "greatestpassescatches of all time" were hardly thrown in the ole’ breadbasket…
That’s why they were great catches… because it wasn’t an easy catch.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
Montana to Dwight wasn’t one of greatest passes of all time? Not even close to the numbers. I don’t think it qualifies as a great catch though. Lynn Swann made some geeat catches off of Bradshaw chucked balls.
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by oldguardjoey on Aug 16, 2011 12:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sometimes they can be BOTH… a great catch and a grat pass.
Example: Ben Rothelsomething to Santonio Holmes to win the Super Bowl… GREAT catch and GREAT through – both were AMAZING.
But, sometimes they can be a great throw, through traffic or in between defenders, but the catch is routine because the throw was right on the money.
And, sometimes it can be a great catch BECAUSE the throw was so bad, too high, too low, tipped at the line, near a defender when it could have been placed away from the defender but still catchable.
In the case of the Meachem play, it would have been a very good catch BECAUSE the ball was not thrown were it was easily catchable, EVEN THOUGH it could have been.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
Re: SB catch
Last I heard, a catch is where you have two feet down in bounds.
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by Jon Banks on Aug 16, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Off topic
but where can I find the over all W-L records against each team in our division?
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by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/head-to-head.htm
"I was not on the boat in question" -Darren Sharper
Thanks CP
" I’ve never done drugs but I think watching Matty Ice stare blankly towards the field as Drew Brees kneels down while clock hits zero in a playoff game would be like doing cocaine off a strippers @$$#….yeah that good.
Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Aug 16, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Old timers rule
If it touches your fingertips, it should be caught. Meach should have caught the ball.
That's not the play that should worry us
I agree that Meachem should have caught it and perhaps Drew could have thrown it a little bit better….but all in all it’s a catchable pass. The play that worries me much more is the “almost” interception that Drew threw a few plays before this one. If the 49er guy wouldn’t have dropped it, then it would have been an interception. Drew ended his stats with 1 completion / 4 attempts. Pretty sad. But if it had been intercepted….much much worse.
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A great pass doesn't go to the numbers
it goes to the hands. NFL players- in fact HS players and college players, are taught (if they are taught properly) to catch the ball with their hands and then bring it in. If you watch Jerry Rice or Larry Fitzgerald, that’s what they do. Every receiver has to catch the ball with his body occasionally, and some mediocre ones do it often. But it is not good football technique. Good football technique is catching with the hands and bringing it into the body immediately.
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by Philinwood on Aug 16, 2011 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 16, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
A good pass goes to the hands.
A great pass goes to the hands while the receiver is in stride, and does not have to bend down, dive, or dramatically slow down his route – including diving to get the ball.
If you have to dive or go to the ground to get a ball and it touches your hands, it’s NOT a “great throw” just because it touched his hands. The WR had something to do with that.
If it was thrown low ON PURPOSE to avoid a defender and it’s caught, then it’s a good throw and a great catch.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
if it's thrown low on purpose to avoid a defender, and it's completed, it's a freakin GREAT pass...
where I come from that’s called threading the needle. Also, if a QB throws a pass, there are several seconds between when he releases it and when it reaches its destination. A QB has no control over the route (poor or high quality) that the receiver runs during that time and whether the receiver is running top speed or loafing or whether the receiver does any of a number of things that can affect whether the ball goes to his fingers or chest or anywhere else. So, it’s not really that simple- there are many variables. And to evaluate a QB’s throw by whether it goes to his outstretched hands or having to dive etc- is oversimplifying.
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I just saw the headline for this article on SI
Would be funnier if you had put Meecham’s name in front.
Meecham Fingertips My ass!
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SI has links to SBNation? or were you joking?
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/new-orleans-saints/
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Meach didn't make the adjustment
from his eye to his hand, unless he lost the ball in the ceiling lights, he wears the protective visor that can have reflection issues especially indoors. Ball hit him on the inside of left forearm, catchable…………eerrrr concentrate.
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It was an "almost" perfect pass
I guess he could have stuck the ball through his face mask!!
The ball was thrown in the perfect spot! Brees was throwing him open. Safety on top and corner on his heels. A “perfectly” thrown ball(according to CP) would have allowed the safety(or both, since their was a route run under neath this route to occupy the other safety) to 1) knock the ball away or 2) Knock Meachem out. Brees threw him a ball that lead him between the two safeties, allowing him, if he catches the dang ball, to split the safeties, turn up field and score! Which is why he was peeved.
Does CP ever say anything positive? I have been reading his" opinions" for several years. I usually just laugh. Seems to me like he needs his own anti-everything blog.
He can call it “Moldy Pizza”
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by CaSaintsfan on Aug 16, 2011 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He's Not Lynn Swann, You Know?
I don’t know how he can be expected to catch such a poorly placed pass.
I just sure hope Payton is giving Canfield a legitimate shot at the starting job, that’s all I can say.
Again, see the picture up top. He’s lunging forward and practically on his knees. If it wasn’t for Meachem’s effort to reposition himself, it’s a lousy pass. That said, he definitely should have caught it.
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by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 18, 2011 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
(I sincerely can’t believe that I’m agreeing with CP, but…)
a. He should have caught it.
He should have caught it.c. He should have caught it. (no one is denying that)
d. It was NOT even close to a perfectly thrown pass because Meachem had contort his body and leave his feet (or twist into a position where he fell) and because of his athletic ability he was able to come close to catching the ball.
e. But, he really should have caught it.
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LOL.
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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 18, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice! I can’t believe I missed that.
Ugh. I thought the question was about the Saints. The Bucs were 10-6. Sorry about that.
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by coldpizza on Aug 18, 2011 7:42 AM CDT
by snowboard_kat on Aug 18, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
oh.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 18, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
"It’s a lousy pass."
So it somehow goes from being a “slight overthrow” and “10% Brees’” fault to being a “lousy pass?”
You’re as inconsistent as you are pathologically contrarian.
by DrZin on Aug 18, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it wasn’t for Meachem’s effort to reposition himself, it’s a lousy pass.
Learn to read. Meachem’s effort was there. It’s primarily his fault for dropping the pass with that effort taken into account. Without taking that effort into account, his blame percentage would be much, much lower, as the ball wouldn’t have been even close to being on target. As is, 90/10 Meachem. No dive and stretch, probably more like 60/40 Brees. It would no longer have been a slight overthrow. There have been countless errant passes that Saints receivers haven’t made this much of an effort to get to.
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I like how you capitalized “it’s” on your own, btw.
Starting a quote where you want it to start isn't being intentionally misleading.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
So . . .
. . . a “slight overthrow” becomes not even “close to being on target” and if Meachem had simply made no effort at all, he would have been blameless!
Interesting figuring.
how's he supposed to even SEE the ball with the light-glare on his visor like that?
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by Hans Petersen on Aug 18, 2011 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a perfect throw! Stop trying to derail this argument with facts!
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Thank God
that play didn’t happen in a regular season game. We’d be well over 500 comments by now. Actually would have been well over 500 comments by about 10 pm Sunday. Plus a special edition of Dave’s post-game podcast
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