Drew Brees's Impending Decline?.......Yeah Right!!
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 7:48 PM CDT
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PrintThere seems to be a trend around Saints and NFL blogs where there is a lot of talk about Drew Brees's impending decline. I don't understand why this has become such a topic of discussion but I'm guessing it has to due with the 22 interceptions last year and the fumble in the Texans preseason game. Lets not forget that Drew Brees had an injured knee last year. Yes, I have questioned his decision making this past year with all of the flea flicker passes, ball security issues, refusing to take a sack, and just plain doing too much when the play is obviously over. I even commented the other day that I'm starting to get the same feeling with Brees under pressure that I got when Reggie started break dancing on our own 20 yard line. But it dawned on me that in 2007 the words actually left my mouth that he should be benched. I called for his benching through the first 4 games of that year when he (if i remember correctly) had thrown 1 touchdown to 9 interceptions. (It might have been more) He recovered from that and went on to have a good year throwing 28 touchdowns to 18 interceptions despite the 7-9 season. I swore I would never doubt him again. We have gotten so used to seeing him being so perfect that the slightest miscue sends everyone running to hit the panic button. Now I hate to do this but I want you to look at this face.....
via i.cdn.turner.com
I imagine most of you remember this smiling face. It has probably haunted your dreams just as it has mine. Aaron Brooks was one of the poorest excuses for a starting quarterback that I have ever seen. Seeing this man run around the backfield like a drunk man looking for his cigarettes every Sunday and making some of the most questionable decisions I have ever witnessed , seriously made me give consideration to quit watching football altogether. When Brooks committed a turnover, he did not care, he would walk back to the sidelines smiling (see picture above) and would laugh it off on the sideline. While he was enjoying his time on the sideline, I was throwing beer cans and TV remotes across the house and planning on driving to New Orleans so me and him could have a conversation face to face. Now look at this picture......
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This is a face of determination and anger. He feels the same way that I do when he messes up or isn't playing well. He feels my pain and I feel his. That alone motivates me and I will follow him no matter how bad his stats are or how many games we have lost because I know that he will do everything in his power to win. You cannot get that kind of commitment from most quarterbacks. Brees's bad days are 10x better than Aaron Brooks's best day in my opinion. Just remember when he has a bad play that he will do everything in his power to make up for it. He is not declining or losing his focus. Football is football and you are not gonna have a perfect game week to week. Every Sunday is a roller coaster with a lot of unknown variables at every turn. Next time the thought creeps in your mind about his performance declining because of a bad play or game, I want you to remember that while we are talking about it on Monday, he has forgotten about it and is preparing to go to war again next Sunday........
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Brees’s bad days are 10x better than Aaron Brooks’s best day
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
And yes I literally wanted to punch that smug smile off of Brooks face. What a waste! Extremely physically talented with a strong arm. But crap for brains who didn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground.
I despised that Retard.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
But crap for brains who didn’t know his butt from a hole in the ground.
I despised that Retard.
I know the feeling. Semper Fi.
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by coldpizza on Aug 25, 2011 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
anti-rec
Lets not forget that Drew Brees had an injured knee last year.
That was denied at the time, vehemently, and not confirmed until well after the fact. What makes you think Payton is going to confirm Brees’ long slow decline any time before Brees’ retirement announcement?
This is a face of determination and anger.It might be gas from the refried beans at Superior Grill. But we can’t know that because Brees isn’t talking and neither is Payton.
Shame on you for using Aaron Brooks as your straw man against a declining Drew Brees argument. And you just earned a long, slow, declining spot on the List.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
Just reminding people what we had and what we have
Believe me, I don’t even like mentioning #2’s name. For years we would have given anything for a quarterback that had half the qualities that Brees has. People seem to be forgetting that.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I always thought Brooks was a pretty good QB, all things considered.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
I always thought Brooks was a pretty good QB, all things considered.
The man had a 78.5 career quarterback rating. He wouldn’t had even had that if Joe Horn was catching balls. The only thing I liked about about him was he had a great arm. But he couldn’t even hit wide open receivers half the time. Leadership is the main quality of a quarterback which he had 0. Anyone that laughs in defeat and can make turning the ball over into funny conversation on the sideline, I have no respect for.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
He also had an O-line that was REALLY good at recovering his fumbles.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
He also had an O-line that was REALLY good at recovering his fumbles.
LOL!
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
123 TD’s to 118 TO’s (with 38 additional fumbles that were recovered)
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
The man had a 78.5 career quarterback rating.
That statistic is so meaningful that it has been discarded this year. In other words, big deal.
great arm. But he couldn’t even hit wide open receivers half the time.Lead NFC in Passing Touchdowns (2002) with 27/15 interceptions: 8 TD’s to Donte Stallworth, 7 to Joe Horn, 4 to Jerome Pathon, 3 each to Deuce and Jake Reed, 2 to Boo Williams. 53.6% complete.
As a leader, Brooks sucked. Hey, common ground.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
As a leader, Brooks sucked. Hey, common ground.
That is true. He did play some good games. And he played some very very bad games, such as this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIFLNWZBfA
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
played some very very bad games, such as this.
LMAO, I was hoping that was gonna be the clip.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And it's the only clip I could find
I remember tons of games where we’d be driving and those fumbled snaps would arrive.
Yeah, I sure miss that guy
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
Lead NFC in Passing Touchdowns (2002) with 27/15 interceptions:
With a completion percentage of 53.6
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
did you see that play for the youtube link?
i would’ve given a left tackle QB responsibilites after that if i had to
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He was obviously throwing to McAllister in the flat and began to spin as he released to avoid the sack. What’s Gandy’s excuse for not pursuing the lateral?
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From past comments, I know you liked “Smiley” but Gandy screwing up doesn’t make Brooks miscue any less inept. The only thing “obvious” was he was having an “Aaron moment”.
At his best, Brooks was better than average. At his worst, he was unbelievably bad. He was a borderline moron with no leadership skills all of the time.
He was a borderline moron
Would a Dylan avatar have sealed the deal?
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Would a Dylan avatar have sealed the deal?
The deal would have been sealed had he been able to string two coherent sentences together and wiped that insipid grin off his face.
When all else fails, call the other guy aracistborderline moron.
FIFY.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Hey! What did I do? I guess you’re going to block me too.
There's a fine line between love and hate.
where's your sarcasm font?
if brees or anyone else did that besides brooks in the next game you’d be up in arms lol
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Let's get something straight
Only one network is attempting to replace that statistic. with their own thing. I don’t know of anyone else that is really working with the TQBR or pushing it besides ESPN, and even across that network it’s not being used that much.
Something tells me that the traditional passer rating isn’t going anywhere just yet.
Oh, and Aaron Brooks really wasn’t that great a QB. He had all the talent to be, but never really grew into it.
by PackApologist on Aug 25, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and Aaron Brooks really wasn’t that great a QB. He had all the talent to be, but never really grew into it.
Well said Pack
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
79.7 as a Saint. Both are pretty good for a career, btw. That’s a Pro Bowl rating for Archie Manning.
Leadership is the main quality of a quarterback which he had 0.
Leadership isn’t a quality. Leadership is an all-encompassing cop out label for critics who can’t put a finger on what a particular QB lacks. It’s defined as the ability to lead, not “the ability to lead well”. There are no degrees of leadership. Your peers either choose to follow you, or they do not.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Whaaaaaaat?
Leadership isn’t a quality.
There are no degrees of leadership.
I recommend sticking to statistics and putting mustard in jars. Leadership is obviously not your area of expertise.
This is one time you can really trust me.
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A: Someone who stays up all night wondering if there is a dog.
by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 25, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Perhaps you can explain why there are no “leadership” ratings in Madden. Or why college students don’t major in “leadership”. There are speech classes that instill confidence. Confidence is an attribute that plays into pursuading others to voluntarily follow your lead. It’s certainly not necessary in order to demonstrate “leadership”. If I brought 16 kids to the edge of a forest, broke them into two groups and told them to both follow their assigned leaders to the other side of the forest, the two kids I appointed as leaders would be displaying leadership the moment they began to hike. Why? Because their group would be following them. That’s all leadership is. The ABILITY to lead. NOT the ability to lead WELL. If I managed to track down all 16 kids and repeated this exercise every week for a year, the leaders would eventually become more familiar with the forest paths. This would NOT be an improvement in their “leadership”, it would be an improvement in their familiarity of the landscape. Some may refer to that as a leadership SKILL, i.e., an attributable factor in what they deem to be “good” leadership [sic]. In truth, it has nothing to do with leadership by its very definition. It’s a common misnomer.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Kind of like “quality”. “It’s a quality product”. Would that be a product of excellent quality or poor quality?
Drew Brees displays excellent leadership. Aaron Brooks, not so much.
(See how I did that? 3 lines.)
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
by stujo4 on Aug 26, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Quality is the adjective in “quality product”. Leadership is a noun. Try again.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
I recommend some Total Quality Management training.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
Drew Brees displays excellent leadership. Aaron Brooks, not so much.
Both were starting NFL quarterbacks. I would consider that a display of inherent leadership. If one seems “greater” than the other, there must be underlying factors playing into that. What does Brees have “more” of? Put your finger on it. He doesn’t have “more leadership”. There’s no such thing. Maybe if you were comparing him to a statue. Are you confusing leadership for charisma?
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
what? just because leadership isnt measuarble by a number doesnt mean that it doesnt exist
your argument is just silly. did you have a large group of friends growing up? there was always one or two that tended to lead. i dont know either brees or aaron brooks personally so i cant speak with first hand knowledge about them. but it is silly to think that every beat writer, nfl analyst, and coach who ever speaks of the two is full of bulls***, when they say things like “brees is a natrual leader” or any other similar saying we have heard a million times since 06.
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Aug 26, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Both were starting NFL quarterbacks.
So is Tim Tebow. See what I did there? Contrast and compare. Also recall Tebow’s attempt to assume a leadership position during the Wonderlic tests prior to his draft day and the other classmates’ response: "Shut the f*** up."
Also see Kerry Collins. He has few followers of his leadership on his new team.
“We don’t even know him, we ain’t vanilla, man, we ain’t no simple offense,” Reggie Wayne said. “So for him to can come in here and be the starter, I don’t see it. I think that’s a step back.”
Not sure that Brooks had the whole team behind him in lockstep like Brees does.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
That would be on the insubordinates, not the leader. As long as one player is following his lead, the leader has exhibited the ability to lead, hence, leadership.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Ok.
And in your example, lead poorly. Because he only has one follower out of many. Hence, poor quality. I mean, poor leadership.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
And yet Lee Marvin still managed to whip that bunch of anti-social no-goods into a successful team.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
LOL
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Drew motivates.
By his example and by taking responsibility as a leader. He is a conscientious leader. Brooks never made anyone feel like he cared one way or another whether he threw a pick or a bizarre backward pass.
Why are we having to define leadership as if it’s a nebulous concept. It isn’t. If we can’t define it, then we can’t say Drew surpassed Brooks? Or, we can pretend that because you can’t put it a stats test, it’s not a desirable or decisive characteristic that is of measurable consequence?
Making his teammates believe in a common goal and purposely moving people by his words and deeds, is not just people observing and choosing whether or not to follow. There is a conscious effort on Brees’ part to accept the role and provide leadership.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Aug 26, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Making his teammates believe in a common goal and purposely moving people by his words and deeds, is not just people observing and choosing whether or not to follow. There is a conscious effort on Brees’ part to accept the role and provide leadership.
What evidence do you have that Brooks’s teammates didn’t believe in a common goal?
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Why are we having to define leadership as if it’s a nebulous concept.
You’re not having to define leadership. Leadership is already defined as “the ability to lead”. You’re having to come up with an alternate shortcoming, as Brooks clearly possessed that ability as a starting NFL quarterback.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Brooks never made anyone feel like he cared one way or another whether he threw a pick or a bizarre backward pass.
He made me feel like he cared many, many times in interviews. Try again.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
He made you feel that way.
Good.
He didn’t communicate it nor demonstrate it very broadly beyond you.
Try again.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Aug 26, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It was no one. Now it’s no one but me. Enjoy your crab crawl.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Pedant.
What do I have to crab crawl about? The difference between no one and one when the argument is plainly about broad perception?
If you are the exception, fine. That hardly proves or disproves.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Aug 26, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
crawfish crawl backwards
A crab crawls sideways. Both taste some good boiled.
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 27, 2011 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
What evidence do you have that Brook’s teammates didn’t believe in a common goal?
What evidence do you have they did? I’m sure everyone on the team wanted to win every game. But the burning desire to do everything you can possibly do to make that happen is more likely to occur when following the example of your leader than doing so in spite of of him.
He made me feel like he cared many, many times in interviews.
What else would he say in an interview? For many of us, appearing to care after the game didn’t make up for appearing not to during the game.
I’ve always thought Brook’s often goofy reaction immediately following a bad play was probably more due to social awkwardness than a display of truly not caring…. sort of like the kid with the stupid grin on his face when he gets caught doing something very naughty. But it was that lack of maturity level and “leadership” that got on my nerves so badly.
I don’t need evidence. It’s a generally accepted fact that athletes care about being the best they can possibly be. Sure, there are exceptions. There’s also evidence that leads to that perception. Smiling isn’t evidence of not caring. Smiling is a release.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
I don’t need evidence
That pretty much sums up how you arrived at your opinions on Brooks and Snooki.
by Drew-Dat on Aug 26, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brooks never made anyone feel like he cared one way or another whether he threw a pick or a bizarre backward pass.
He cared deeply, inside. He was just unable to express those feelings to others.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
I accept that.
I also accept that it is a recent thing to emphasize the full role of QBs. It doesn’t seem to have been talked up as much in the past regarding leadership roles.
I also think it’s fine to admire Brooks. If nothing else, for his playoff performance where we won our first playoff game.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Aug 26, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can appoint someone as a leader, but if they are a moron, only morons will follow them.
A true leader doesn’t wait for someone to be told to follow him, he leads, he leads by example, no one actually has to be told to follow him, they respect him and trust him enough to follow him through to the end. Brees has that trust and respect from his team mates, which makes him a true leader, Brooks never had that. His teamates were told he was the leader, but his actions did not back up his “status” as a leader. There was a lack of trust and respect due to his lack of leadership. The only person he ended up leading was himself to the unemployment line due to being a moron with talent and know leadership ability. Wait, did I just use leadership as an adjective instead of a noun?
The key to life isn't doing what you are told not to do, it is knowing what is worth doing when told not to do it.
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 3, 2011 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
University of Richmond does have a ‘leadership’ major. Just sayin’
Also thier mascot is a spider.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 26, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I recommend sticking to statistics and putting mustard in jars.
I recommend familiarizing yourself with the definition of leadership.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
I lived the leadership roll for 22+ years.
One quality of leadership is keeping an open mind . . . . .
Ahhhhhhhhh, NOW I understand your confusion. Poor thing.
Q: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, an a dyslexic?
A: Someone who stays up all night wondering if there is a dog.
by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 26, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll give this one more shot:
Leadership is obviously not your area of expertise.
G’night.
Q: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, an a dyslexic?
A: Someone who stays up all night wondering if there is a dog.
by Just 'Nother Day on Aug 26, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Leadership is very definitely a quality.
I don’t post often. I’d usually rather lurk, but I felt I needed to reply to this. I’ve been a Saints fan for 37 years. I’ve watched good leadership win games not only for the Saints, but for many other teams.
Let me put an entirely different perspective on it. I was a combat soldier. I can tell you firsthand that leadership is a quality, not some cop out excuse. It encompasses many things. A desire to succeed. The ability to communicate. The ability to inspire. In some case, the ability to mentally lift those around you to almost super-human efforts when defeat is almost certain.
We give medals to those men. Men don’t follow other men because of a rank, or because of a position on a football team. We follow them because we trust them to set an example. We trust them to lead when we, ourselves, are unsure of a path. We follow them because they have shown though competence, and sometimes luck, that things will turn out in the end. That defines leadership.
I said for 20 odd years that the only thing that might fix the Saints was a fresh start. Not in a new city, but with a new roster.
Katrina did that almost. It managed to kick the malcontents. It managed to bring in the castoffs. It brought us a leadership, and a DESIRE TO BE LED. Poor morale is contagious. I truly believe that Payton changed that.
Leadership truly is the ability to suspend belief and instill confidence that even the farthest goal is attainable.
Brees and Payton both have that. Our talent level is not what gave us a superbowl. It was the leadership and the belief that got us that ring.
by LSUinAZ on Aug 29, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 30, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 27, 2011 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Stujo4 is an example of a bag head.
You mean rag head? No I said it right, bag head. He is on here not as a Saints fan, but to try and humiliate everyone on here, but it doesn’t work on this end. Very similar to Pizza but with a more down to earth saying he just don’t give a rats ass about the Saints. Oh, stujo, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU’VE BEEN ON MY LIST LONG BEFORE I’VE BEEN ON YOURS.
I agree with you completely
He is on here not as a Saints fan, but to try and humiliate everyone on here,
There are many prescription medications that can help people who feel like they have to tear down someone else in order to give their day meaning.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 27, 2011 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's some well-intentioned advice for both of you:
1) Cool it with such comments about other CSC members. That’s not what we’re about.
2) Of course you’ve been pissed off by Stu. Welcome to Da Chronic. He is a real fan, however. He spends money on game tickets , travels to some games, then posts good pictures of his adventures. Despite some of his negative comments, his passion also comes across clearly.
3) Rather than getting real pissed over some of his remarks, try laughing out loud, then saying out loud, “F****** douchebag!” Works every time for me. See how easy Anger Management can be?
"Dang! The Saints won the Super Bowl!" - my wife, Meso "Happy" Hu Dat.
by Dang Hu Dat on Aug 27, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cool it with such comments about other CSC members. That’s not what we’re about.
I agree with you completely and that is not why I am here by no means. After much thought I thought it needed to be said. I said in a comment further down this thread that It would be my last reply to anything Stu said and it is. So its a dead issue to me now and I can get back to why I am here in the first place.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 27, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That was denied at the time, vehemently, and not confirmed until well after the fact.
What difference does it make if it was announced or denied. The knee was injured. Are you saying that it was announced he had an injured knee just to make an excuse for the 22 interceptions?
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
What difference does it make if it was announced or denied.
Because we sat here ignorant of the fact for weeks if not months, except for Kenny Wilkerson or whoever who said his knee was hurt and everyone said Kenny was crazy especially Drew Brees who performed jumping jacks for reporters while gritting his whitened teeth and forcing a smile. The point is, the knee was in decline and only insiders knew it and they weren’t talking. Which is similar to the overall unacknowledged Brees career decline currently in progress and few are recognizing it.
I don’t make excuses, AP. Especially for Drew BREEESS!!!
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
Drew Brees who performed jumping jacks for reporters while gritting his whitened teeth and forcing a smile.
Lmao, stujo, I’m gonna have that scene burned in my head all night
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Brees career decline currently in progress and few are recognizing it.
Where are you getting that he is in decline? The bad decisions under pressure? I just don’t see any evidence of decline in his play on the field. The bad decisions under pressure is a mental lapse in judgement and just Drew trying to put everything on his shoulders like he always has to.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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coldpizza will be around any minute now to tell you why Aaron Brooks was actually a great quarterback. Just letting you know.
Yeah and I’ll never understand why. I think he’s the only person that admires Brooks. But you know CP. Anything that’s looks great he will always debate it to make you think it looks bad.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
. Anything that’s looks great he will always debate it to make you think it looks bad.
And vice versa.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
I would love to hear that argument
The only thing that ever made Brooks look good was Joe horn
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said Acquired
And you must remember one important factor as well. How about Deuce Mcallister carrying a huge load of that team?
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
by Jricky70 on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the record.
I think he’s the only person that admires Brooks.
No he’s not. I liked Brooks and appreciate the first true sense of optimism he provided for the long suffering fan. Brooks didn’t have the intensity that Drew has or the motivational skills that Drew has. I also didn’t have the offensive weapons to draw from that Drew does have. Also you can blame the coach for playing Aaron when he was hurt and couldn’t make the pass he is so much criticized for smiling about. The smile was Aaron way of dealing with things, not a sign that he didn’t care.
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 27, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I=he
least someone out there thinks I’m Brooks. Hee,Hee
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 28, 2011 5:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m on record long before tonight as a Brooks admirer. Look at the numbers and tell me he sucked, I dare ya.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
I don't think many people are saying he sucked
Just that he was mediocre. Looking at his career numbers, they are just that. Most of his career stats, in comparison to the other QBs that were in the league at the same time, rank right around that 50% mark. He wasn’t that bad. He wasn’t that good. He just was.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
Aaron Brooks sucked.
I really think Turley wanted to pull Brooks’ head off instead of that opponets helmet he pulled off.
But he was athletic!!!
Doesn’t everyone want an athletic QB? Why even draft a QB anymore, just use WRs and RBs. lol. Brooks wasn’t the best QB i’ve ever seen but he wasn’t that bad…well i thought that till i clicked on the youtube link.
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 24, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Against Houston, Brees threw a pass directly to Bushrod, who was lying on the turf at the time, with Mario Williams draped over him. Is it too soon to label Drew a bad QB based on one bad play?
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was there a RB in the vicinity?
don’t remember that play. maybe he was trying to not take a sack and get rid of the ball? if he didn’t get penalized(and idk if he did or didn’t) then why are you comparing the 2 plays? why are you even comparing drew’s play to throwing the ball backwards at about your own 30 yard line to the first person you see?
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2011 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
There was no RB in the vicinity and he wasn’t penalized, because the ball hit Williams before it his the ground. The ball has to hit the ground or an ineligible offensive player first, in order for intentional grounding to be called. Brooks didn’t get penalized either. I’m comparing the two because they were both blatant, spur of the moment mistakes. QBs under duress, throwing in the direction of an offensive linemen. At least Brooks was looking in McAllister’s direction for a moment prior to spinning. Brees didn’t even spin. I’m not ripping on Brees. BOTH were bad plays. NEITHER should be something rehashed months and years later, nor paraded out as the quinessential example of a player’s “ignorance”. Maybe if there wasn’t much more to his body of work, like Adrian McPherson lining up under guard, I could understand it. Brooks simply doesn’t deserve that sort of flack. I mean, as little as I liked Reggie Bush and what he brought to the Saints, have you ever seen me harp on one particular f*** up of his? What about the bad pitch to Devery on the double reverse against the Bucs? I’m pretty sure Payton took the brunt of that blame on the play call. Maybe I can find that on YouTube, so we can all sit around and rip on Reggie for not possessing the intelligence necessary to play the position.
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Probably because I don’t assume talent and/or intelligence revolves around skin color.
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Flagged
Race baiting should never be the standard defense when someone criticizes an athlete.
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by VAsaintsfan on Aug 25, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve never said he was a great QB. He was merely the best QB the Saints ever had until 2006.
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by coldpizza on Aug 25, 2011 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He was an adequate QB on the most successful team we ever had. He helped win our first playoff game, and I’ll always be grateful for that.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 25, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
boom rec'd it
Very sensible and no PMS hysteria, refreshing.
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I’m on one of my light days
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 25, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd as well
I look forward to the day Brooks is in the Saints HOF. It seems a bit silly that Horn made it in before him, but they’re both deserving, so I won’t beat that horse.
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Yeah he was a beast and I still feel bad how his career ended
I feel like we rode Deuce so hard for so many years because he was all we really had.We kinda induced his retirement. The same thing is happening with Frank Gore in SF and Steven Jackson in STL. By the time those teams have improved and gotten back to playoff contention both running backs will be injury plagued, in decline, and won’t get to enjoy the success of their teams.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
Yeah he was a beast and I still feel bad how his career ended
I was thinking the exact same thing. His career ended in 2008, very short lived. He was a beast, a class act and a winner. Even during the Haslett/Brooks Era when things got so bad, he never complained. He showed up every week wanted to win ball games.
If only he was a Rookie 2 or 3 years ago.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
If only he was a Rookie 2 or 3 years ago.
One can only dream, lol.
I’m proud of the organization for giving him a ring and its nice to still see him on the sideline. Looks like he has been eating good in his retirement. Did they give him a job or anything within the organization?
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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Did they give him a job or anything within the organization?
Not sure. If they did he certainly earned it. He loves the city,the fans and the team. He would make an excellent RB coach, or a mentor for the RB’s.
His presence there on the sideline is truly awesome.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
I can’t even get a rec for namedropping Superior Grill? Jesus1000. Tough room.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
don't toot your own horn
it leads to bad karma :P Well go ahead then if it would help Brees get off of his “long, slow decline” lol
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
also, is that Joe Morgan in your avatar?
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Shameless self promotion<<<< guilty
#13 Joe Morgan!!!!
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
and he's out 2-4 weeks
there goes that karma thing i was telling you about ;P lol
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions
“Peter, I’d like to address these claims that my career is in decline, but even if I have a stellar season, my detractors will claim it is merely an anomaly, and that a certain pass was misplaced, or a certain interception avoidable, and this is enough compelling evidence for them to decide I’m on the way out. 2009 was a great season for me, and I may never equal it, but is the blame all mine? If only they’d quantify their claims and suggest some kind of passing yards / touchdowns / interceptions / passer rating that I’d need to surpass to not be vaguely declining, then I might have a chance of escaping the pit of self-loathing I’m being forced into. I half suspect it’s just because Stu hates me for that Guantanamo s***. Well, I’m sorry, dude. I thought they said Guantanamera. I really did.”
“Hey, Drew, can I get you some cookies and Gatorade?”
trapped in grammar and calendars.
by Jay Preece on Aug 24, 2011 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
If only they’d quantify their claims and suggest some kind of passing yards / touchdowns / interceptions / passer rating that I’d need to surpass to not be vaguely declining,
Lmao, Rec’d
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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO! Classic!!
Green This!!
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
love the Guantanamera!
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
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If only they’d quantify their claims and suggest some kind of passing yards / touchdowns / interceptions / passer rating that I’d need to surpass to not be vaguely declining
Please, allow me.
Passing yards: < 7.02 per attempt
TDs: < .050 per attempt (an overrated statistic, based on the simple fact that rushing TDs frequently cap off QB led drives).
INTs: > .033 per attempt
Passer rating: < 90.9
If Brees meets 3 of the 4 above criterium, his continuing decline should be rather obvious. That’s whether he’s injured or not. If he meets 2 of the 4, it’s at least arguable. The mere fact that he met all four based on 2009’s numbers SHOULD be a red flag. While it’s true that every QB has a peak, very few digress in ALL FOUR of these statistical categories from one year to the next, only to pull out of that slide going forth.
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by coldpizza on Aug 25, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Aaron Brooks had a 79.7 passer rating and 6.5 ypa, you concluded that that was “nothing to sneeze at.” But by your target values for determining a decline, even as he was peaking, Mr. Brooks was already in the midst of decline, which is obviously a sneezable scenario. So can I sneeze at him or not?
It was 6.9 ypa and that was Brooks’s averages as a Saint QB on the whole. All 85 games combined. That’s not a decline whatsoever. If anything, it’s an vast improvement over his statistics as a Packer QB, which are non-existent. And no, you shouldn’t sneeze at a 79.7 passer rating, even if it’s on Brees. But it would represent a decline from where he once was (and is now).
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I was just giving you a hard time.
Over analyzing technicalities is fun.
You know what? He already did meet 3 of the 4 criteria.
In 2007, which I have often compared to his 2010 year.
Though I do appreciate that you at least put numbers down instead of hid behind a vague “Slow continuous decline” phrase.
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Best comment Evah
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 25, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a lofty comment.
Of that I’m sure. Well, 75% sure. IT WAS A 75% SURE LOFTY COMMENT.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
wicked funny.
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by CrazyforColston on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 PM CDT reply actions
meant in reply to Jay Preece, sorry.
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by CrazyforColston on Aug 24, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaron Brooks' problem was that he wasn't good at reading defenses - especially disguised defenses
so it was hit or miss- he wasn’t setting himself up for success by knowing for certain where the weaker part of the pass defense was and where his foicus should be. I think 2nd and 3rd reads on receivers were rare for him.
As far as Brees, I am convinced there were 2 huge reasons for his "off " year in 2010 with so many ints.
1) 7 different RBs constantly rotating in like a carousel- some players only on the team for 7-10 days and then either starting or playing major roles. Some RBs with mediocre talent especially dinged up.
2) his 2nd son was born in October while his 1st son was only 21 months old. I can tell you from experience, having 2 babies under the age of 2 and one of them being born right in the middle of a professional life is really,really difficult unless you are the type of guy that ignores your family, and is a father in-abstentia which clearly Brees isn’t.
As much as you wasnt to have tunnel vision about you life outside of the home- it doesn’t happen.
BTW- Brees passer rating in this “off” season with so many difficulties was still a very respectable 91 and he had 33 td passes (1 less than SB year) and his completion % was his 2nd highest ever for a season at 68%.
IMO – if he had possessed a stable, consistent running game, it would have meant maybe 7-8 less ints and would have gone down as his 2nd best season statistically and no talk of a decline. This season we will see…..this is why we got Mark Ingram.
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Aaron Brooks’ problem was that he wasn’t good at reading defenses – especially disguised defenses so it was hit or miss- he wasn’t setting himself up for success by knowing for certain where the weaker part of the pass defense was and where his foicus should be. I think 2nd and 3rd reads on receivers were rare for him.
Yet, his career INT percentage as a Saint (3.10) is only slightly higher than Brees’s (2.62)? Something isn’t adding up.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Though Brees does have a higher attempt amounts.
Though only by ~300.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
so, in your opinion, you would say Brooks was good at reading defenses?
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2) his 2nd son was born in October while his 1st son was only 21 months old. I can tell you from experience,
Stop it. Unless you can afford multiple nannies and your house is so huge that you can isolate yourself from baby/mama/drama with ease. Because he did, no question. He likes the Ambien.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
do you have any children??
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2 and 1 grandson. However, I have never played quarterback in the NFL and I’ve never employed a nanny. Did my share of diapering and vomit cleanup. Not sure that Brees can claim that.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
from what I've seen of Brees, I'd be pretty sure he was quite involved in being a dad at every level
even during the season. Certainly during August and September and October when his wife was in her 3rd trimester with a one year -old toddler also. And then she gives birth like 2 -3 days before a regular season game. I just don’t see it as business as usual. That’s very hard to mix into an NFL season. Just being up all night one night during week 5 is a tough thing to cope with, regardless how many nannies there are. I just think, however professional and isolated you try to be, it’s almost impossible to not be distracted at least a little bit. And, that’s all it takes to have a season where your stats (some of them) were in line with your 2nd best season of all your seasons. Take away the INTs ( and clearly the 7 RB carousel had some effect [i.e. Jerome Bettis on his own 12 yard line on a screen or outlet pass]) and his stats were pretty damn good. Not to mention all the injuries to the WRs and to Shockey and Graham being a rookie.
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Aaron Brooks was one of the poorest excuses for a starting quarterback that I have ever seen. Seeing this man run around the backfield like a drunk man looking for his cigarettes every Sunday and making some of the most questionable decisions I have ever witnessed , seriously made me give consideration to quit watching football altogether. When Brooks committed a turnover, he did not care, he would walk back to the sidelines smiling (see picture above) and would laugh it off on the sideline. While he was enjoying his time on the sideline, I was throwing beer cans and TV remotes across the house and planning on driving to New Orleans so me and him could have a conversation face to face.
You should try watching a Saints game sober every once in a while. Brees would undoubtedly be the greatest QB to ever play.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Brees’s bad days are 10x better than Aaron Brooks’s best day in my opinion.*
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WHASSUP?!!!!
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Lmao, I prefer Abita Amber or Corona….you buying?
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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 25, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
miketripletttp Mike Triplett
RT @IANisHOW33: Completely agreed but let’s not make it seem like he isn’t coming off of 22 ints last year. And several were poor choices...
miketripletttp Mike Triplett
Absolutely fair point on Brees. He got sloppy, tried to force things. But thats more about situations he was in than sign of declining skill
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
I’m extrapolating. Projecting. As a public service, I announced it as a heads up to you all so you’ll know what’s going on now instead of later.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
I fully agree with the title of this thread, btw. There’s nothing impending about Drew’s decline. I’m not saying he won’t turn it around this season. Just that he’s currently in a funk, for however long it happens to last.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Just that he’s currently in a funk, for however long it happens to last.
Don’t make me post another chart. It’s not a straight line going down. It’s rocky up and down but over time, down. Like this ^ only the other way. v
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Don't bother.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Cumulative numbers mean nothing to me. Break it down by number of attempts.
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I DON'T LIKE YOUR NUMBERS, MAKE THEM SIMPLER!!!
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Do you not grasp the concept?
Are 30 TDs in 500 attempts truly an improvement over 28 TDs in 400 attempts? You’re not hitting on anything, in terms of improvement or regression over a 16 game span without it. Smoke and mirrors. A hollow exhibit.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Be honest, you thought the rapture was coming on May 21st.
(that was a joke).
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
I was hoping it was. I had a nice house all picked out for when the lovely old religious couple that lived there were gonna “move out”.
"Winter is coming"
by jeff.l.b on Aug 25, 2011 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Some things are just obvious
Can anyone tell the difference without resorting to stats? Can anyone not tell the difference without resorting to stats?
It was good while it lasted.
by MtnExile on Aug 25, 2011 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You’d have to be more specific on what differences you’re looking for. One is of latin heritage…one is not. One used to have her own talk show….one did not. One of them ruined the Stakeout movie franchise…the other did not. One of them likes women….the other guys wish would like women on occasion (especially on screen).
"Winter is coming"
The biggest difference.
Guys want one, not the other.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
do girls even want the other?
like the new part of your tagline lol
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Aug 26, 2011 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
So...
The difference between Drew Brees and Aaron Brooks is that one is black and one is white. One is active and one is retired. One played in the AFC West before moving to the NFC South, and the other played in the NFC South before moving to the AFC West. Other than that, there is no big, obvious, hit-you-over-the-head-immediately difference…just as there is none between Rosie and Salma.
Thanks, Jeff. I understand now.
It was good while it lasted.
You’re overthinking it
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 25, 2011 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
I think I need to see the one on the right’s TOP (off) to see whether I should sleep with her, or whether I should sleep with her.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Women are judged enough on a daily basis on there looks. Do we have to have it here to? Two pictures of men could have worked just as well.
by DeenaC on Aug 26, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you sure the first one isn’t a man?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 26, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Reply fail: that was for DeenaC
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 26, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Just came to me
an avatar for your perusal.
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Aug 27, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Deenac warrior princess
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Aug 27, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm. I guess the pic isn’t showing up on your monitor.
There's a fine line between love and hate.
the difference between Brooks and Brees is that, 8 years into their careers,
almost every team in the league would take Drew Brees as a starter ……..no teams wanted Books at any price. Oh, and there are those Pro Bowl appearences also…..and Brees has a nicer ring too.
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let's stay on topic
This is not a Brooks vs Brees discussion. It’s a Salma Hayek discussion. Loved her in that vampire movie.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
From Dusk Til Dawn
It was her breakout season for “fantasy” football (nudge nudge)
also starring Clooney, Keitel, Juliette Lewis, QT, and a bunch more bloodsuckers
Thumbs up, everybody...
For rock and roll!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Aug 25, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
And Cheech
The key to life isn't doing what you are told not to do, it is knowing what is worth doing when told not to do it.
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 3, 2011 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Who was even comparing the two, outside of a couple of bad throws?
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
to recap
AcquiredPMS hysterically libeled Aaron Brooks in an awkward attempt to raise Drew Brees even further up on the alter. Now, let’s check in with the houseguests…
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
Why don’t you keep me in check? You must be lacking leadership.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Maybe I’m confusing leadership with administrative tools.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
you are a provocateur
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by cajuncommando58 on Aug 27, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
MOAR PERSONAL ATTACKS!
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Look at you,
use it plenty. Classic.
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You know its one thing to debate a topic but this is just utterly childish
AcquiredPMS
5 year olds revert to name calling as a last resort to get a rise out of someone. Try acting your age.
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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 26, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Seeing this man run around the backfield like a drunk man looking for his cigarettes every Sunday
this is just utterly childish
Pot, I’d like you to meet Kettle.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
This is bait to get into a meaningless debate for two hours
about the difference between me describing an action to help someone visualize something without seeing it and stujo4 calling me a name just to be a d__k, hoping that I will respond angrily and give him something to argue about so he can have his daily dose of feeling good about himself for putting someone else down. So here it is Stu and u better put this in the freezer because its the last reply you will get from me. He is a smart troll because unlike other trolls, he knows he is a troll and therefore he knows how to defend himself against being called one. I have only been posting on CSC for 3 days and I can see how this guy can turn a friendly debate into an insult ridden argument which usually leads to people leaving the thread to get away from him. And then he sits and waits for someone, anyone, to post a comment that he can tear down. I don’t care how long he has been a member of CSC, people like this kill threads and keep people from posting their thoughts in fear of being ripped to shreds for no reason other than his own enjoyment. I thought he was in his teens from his style of comments but I was shockingly surprised that he is over twice my age. I haven’t done nothing to the guy and I don’t know why he feels like he needs to come at people like that to get his point across. Have fun trolling Stu, you must get a lot of happiness from running people off CSC so you can troll freely and destroy thread after thread.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 26, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t worry, AP. I was blocked once and it was great. While stu can come off as a d*** from time to time I don’t think he is a troll. He just likes to keep things interesting. I’m not going to stand up for him, but you will see that he isn’t a bad guy at heart. Enjoy being blocked while it last.
There's a fine line between love and hate.
He did me a huge favor, I can't stand listening to him
Not because of his views on topics but how he talks down to people. I don’ t mind someone having a difference of opinion at all. I’m more than happy to debate. But stu needs to relearn how to talk to people all over again. Talking to people like he is a superior human being and having no respect for anyone but himself just doesn’t sit well with me.
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 26, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
the difference between me describing an action to help someone visualize something without seeing it and stujo4 calling me a name just to be a d__k
I took AcquiredPMS as a descriptor. It helped me visualize you without seeing you.
You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.
Lol, if that is what I'm suffering from I'm missing out on loads of money
that the medical community should be giving me to be studied.(attention, attention, LSU medical professors) Heres your boy! Whats up!?
You must lose everything in order to gain anything.-Tyler Durden
by AcquiredPanic on Aug 28, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm also going to say here that I think Stu first mentioned the decline
before the 2010 season actually started, but I may be wrong…
Thumbs up, everybody...
For rock and roll!!!!
No, he claims the underthrown ball to Zach Strief is the proof.
Which was in 2010.
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No, he claims the underthrown ball to Zach Strief is the proof.
No, I didn’t claim that. Let’s review the evidence
The over thrown would be TD pass to Strief in week 8 of 2010 indicates Brees’ QB career peaked in 2009“Indicates”, not proves. Perhaps it was the first step on a slippery slope. The first crack noticed in a strong foundation. The first sign of the color brown in my lawn which is probably going to die from 41+ days of 100+ heat and no irrigation system (cool season fescue). The early warning siren signalling incoming nuclear interballistic missiles that will kill us all once they arrive.
I’m not saying he sucks now. I’m saying his best days are behind him and we’ll realize that retrospectively sometime in the future.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
You've never said "indicates a likelihood" before.
Your arguments have always been “DREW BREEEEEEEEES” and “He’s in a decline. Stop denying what you know is true.”
Now you’re trying to dress it up so that way you can talk down to me senior troll correspondent.
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You’ve never said “indicates a likelihood” before.
I used the abbreviated version in the Accountability Index. Kinda pressed for space. Shall we look up the definition for “indicate” vs. “prove”? I’ll let you do that. I think I already know.
Your arguments have always been "DREW BREEEEEEEEES" and "He’s in a decline. Stop denying what you know is true."
Yes, those are my arguments. I don’t deny it. Jesus1000, how can I explain it to you any more clearly? tommy, help me out here.
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senior troll correspondent.
Well that’s not very nice. Or very accurate. I’m under the impression that my statements and arguments are even more straightforward, objective (except for Lito Sheppard and the like) and concrete than coldpizza’s. Why do you have to bring your personal feelings for me into this by calling me, inaccurately, a troll?
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example of troll remark
Drew Brees SUCKSSS!!!! Cam Newton RULESSSS!!!!
An obvious attempt to provoke without any objective observations. Compare and contrast. Never mind, tommy. I think we’ve got it now.
"I'm not OK with anything right now." -Sean Payton
You should not be called a troll.
Now, I may be called a brown noser. But, you are not a troll.
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by CrazyforColston on Aug 26, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you’re trying to dress it up so that way you can talk down to me senior troll correspondent.
No comma between me and senior. I think Jon may be referring to himself here, chief.
me senior troll correspondent.
It’s a title.
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Compare and contrast.
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I think we can all agree
Since Drew Brees came to New orleans his hair line has been in a long slow decline.
"I will go to my car, get my teeth out the glove box and come back and bite you".
I will definitely agree to that
its gonna get to the point he is either gonna have to shave it or get some plugs. Its much worse after he takes his helmet off.
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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 26, 2011 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly imo the major issue with Brees
besides his knee (which may or may not be okay) is that he is too analytical and too much of a perfectionist. In many ways it helps him be Drew Brees, but when he can’t get the hell out of his head it works against him. Sometimes you can see the fear in his eyes. He looks like a wild animal.
Tiger's blood!!
I think we are all just being too hypercritical of a QB who, on any given day, game or year
is ranked somewhere in the top 5 QBs by most analysts. Think about it- Brady, Manning, Rothlisberger, Rivers, the guys that people talk about as being the best along with Aaron Rogers- they haven’t won a SB since Drew did. Rogers won last year- let’s see how long he holds the crown. You can’t lead the league as a QB in EVERY stat EVERY year. Drews stats and performances over the last 5 years rank up there in the same company of any of those guys. And, there are a huge # of variables that affect whether your stats are good (such as your O-line, your coaches play calling, the injuries to your weapons, your schedule etc.
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Unfortunently
the worst statistic is the 22 interceptions Brees threw in 2010, only surpassed by the 25 thrown by Eli.
Tiger's blood!!
I am going to profer that those INTS are exactly what kept our offense going and effective
We were not quite good enough, offensively, (mostly because of injuries but also because opponents scouted and prepared for us 110% that year) to just not take chances. Kind of like our defense in 2009. We weere in a position that our offense, no longer the explosive juggernaut it was in 2009, had to take more chances. On a bunch of plays where Drew should have thrown the ball away or taken a sack, he forced it. Some were successful completions. Some were incompletes. Some (probably 16) were just regular ints and some (probably 6 ) bounced off of receivers and went as INTS. If Drew had just thrown the ball away 35- 45 more times last season, we would have had less INTS. But, we also would have less first downs, less TDs and less sustained drives. It’s not the ideal way to run an offense, but when your weapons are depleted and your offense is not up to par, it’s better to go down swinging than to meekly concede. Hopefully this year we can keep RBs healthy and have a balanced attack.
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Ummm...
You all realize that in six weeks we’ll have a better data sample, right?
Kinda like I need six beers to really discover whether or not I like that particular beer.
In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"
Kinda like I need six beers to really discover whether or not I like that particular beer.
Love it……
I always seem to like the beer no matter it is. Well, there are some American brewed beers that more resemble water than beer. (You know who you are)
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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 27, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
posted in the wrong spot - sorry for the double post :(
in regards to cold pizza and his assertion that
[quote] Leadership isn’t a quality. Leadership is an all-encompassing cop out label for critics who can’t put a finger on what a particular QB lacks. It’s defined as the ability to lead, not "the ability to lead well". There are no degrees of leadership. Your peers either choose to follow you, or they do not.[/quote]
Leadership is very definitely a quality.
I don’t post often. I’d usually rather lurk, but I felt I needed to reply to this. I’ve been a Saints fan for 37 years. I’ve watched good leadership win games not only for the Saints, but for many other teams.
Let me put an entirely different perspective on it. I was a combat soldier. I can tell you firsthand that leadership is a quality, not some cop out excuse. It encompasses many things. A desire to succeed. The ability to communicate. The ability to inspire. In some case, the ability to mentally lift those around you to almost super-human efforts when defeat is almost certain.
We give medals to those men. Men don’t follow other men because of a rank, or because of a position on a football team. We follow them because we trust them to set an example. We trust them to lead when we, ourselves, are unsure of a path. We follow them because they have shown though competence, and sometimes luck, that things will turn out in the end. That defines leadership.
I said for 20 odd years that the only thing that might fix the Saints was a fresh start. Not in a new city, but with a new roster.
Katrina did that almost. It managed to kick the malcontents. It managed to bring in the castoffs. It brought us a leadership, and a DESIRE TO BE LED. Poor morale is contagious. I truly believe that Payton changed that.
Leadership truly is the ability to suspend belief and instill confidence that even the farthest goal is attainable.
Brees and Payton both have that. Our talent level is not what gave us a superbowl. It was the leadership and the belief that got us that ring.
by LSUinAZ on Aug 29, 2011 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
BOOM!
Rec’d. Very well said sir.
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Exactly
I was waiting to hear something on the lines of this from some of our prior of current military members. This is absolutely true imo. I have had officers and sergeants over me that should have had no business being in charge of the latrine, much less real people who bust their butt everyday for them and make said leaders look good. A good leader lifts those around, good times or bad, no matter what the circumstance. Leadership is a quality that not everyone possesses. You can place somebody in that role and they will not respond to the task. A leader is a leader is a leader. You either have it or you don’t. You can give someone the responsibility, doesn’t mean that they will succeed.
Because if we don't learn from History channel,
We're doomed to repeat History channel!
PS.
Any sergeant or lieutenant can lead. The lead by decree. Leading well is another story entirely.
by LSUinAZ on Aug 29, 2011 11:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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