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Saints Sign John Kasay, Release/Waive Alex Brown and Others

The Saints have officially announced the signing of veteran kicker John Kasay, formerly of the Carolina Panthers. Meanwhile, in addition to DeAndre McDaniel and Jarred Fayson, who were released earlier today, the Saints have released/waived the following players:

DE - Alex Brown

CB - Mark Parsons

WR - John Chiles    

G - Roger Allen

LB - Ezra Butler

T - Dan Gay

FB - Kolby Hurt

C - Ryan Taylor

RB - Chris Taylor   

Brown is probably the most surprising since he's been the starting defensive end for the team, though he hasn't really performed well since being signed by the team last year.

With a total of 11 players released and one player signed, that should mean the Saints are right at 80 players, where they need to be. 

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Anybody else think they are waiting to see if they need to place anybody on the IR?

by BlackandGold4ever on Aug 30, 2011 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

PUP list rules

Is Hartley eligible for the PUP list? I don’t remember the rules exactly – does a player have to be on the PUP list throughout training camp/preseason to be eligible for the regular season PUP list?

If Hartley is eligible, I bet that’s where they’re heading – wait until the last minute to see if he’ll be ready to go for game 1. If so, release Kasay right before the regular season starts and if he’s not ready, pup list Hartley and revisit the situation six weeks later.

If Hartley can’t go on the PUP list, I think they might put him on IR if they expect him to miss a significant number of games.

by HB-NOLA on Aug 30, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Hartley eligible for the PUP list?

Nope

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by cscmember on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once you practice you are PUP list ineligible

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's what I thought, but wasn't sure

Better heal fast, guy, or you’re going to IR.

by HB-NOLA on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

How’s the smoke in River Ridge? When I left my house this morning I could barely see down the block. It’s gotten better as the day goes on.

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by cscmember on Aug 30, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

awful

I started coughing as soon as I opened the door. I’ve seen similar in HB from California wildfires, but this is much worse. There’s something really funky in the smoke, like chemicals burning or something.

by HB-NOLA on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoke just got to Baton Rouge

I wasn’t expecting it to be this bad and HB is right, it has a really strange smell to it.

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by AcquiredPanic on Aug 30, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as I get paid

Then my wife will still be happy

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fiance

You aren’t married yet. Get your life facts straight.

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by Dave Cariello on Aug 30, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was high when I wrote that

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by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop taking aderall damn it.

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by Jon Banks on Aug 30, 2011 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coach Payton doesn't like for me to give out team secrets

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

thank you friarbob..

been holding my breath since 4:34.. not a lot willing anwerers besides you.. i see..

by the 9th plague on Aug 30, 2011 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brown is a shock!

Brown has started each of the preseason games and practicing with the 1st team offense. I guess this means that Cam Jordan is ready? Hope so, but really liked having Brown as a back up not knowing what will happen with the impending 4 game suspension for Will Smith. Jeff Charleston may get a helluva lot of play time.

by Saint for life on Aug 30, 2011 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

He also kinda sucked

jeffduncantp Jeff Duncan

With the release of Alex Brown, look for Cam Jordan to get the 1st crack at the #Saints’ starting LDE spot. He’s been playing well recently.
You wouldn’t know it by the comments around here, Jeff.

Deal me another hand Lord, this one's very hard

by stujo4 on Aug 30, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason La Canfora predicts Cam Jordan will be the Defensive Rookie of the Year. Do they know something we don’t?

by Drew-Dat on Aug 30, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s not how you start, if how you finish.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

which his chances of doing have gone up, now that Alex Brown is gone.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

and practicing with the 1st team offense

No wonder he was cut. He didn’t know what side of the ball he was supposed to be on.

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by cscmember on Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol

This is great

Who Dat?

by jhenn2004 on Aug 30, 2011 6:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No it meant he was offsides a lot

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

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by cscmember on Aug 31, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

1) DeAndre McDaniel, Safety. Cut per his own twitter account.
2) Jarred Fayson, WR. Per his twitter account.
3) John “Jay” Chiles, WR. Per WWLTVSPORTS twitter.
4) Mark Parson, CB. Per teammate Trumaine McBride.
5) Alex Brown, DE. Per his twitter account.
6) Dan Gay, C. Next 6 are per Jennifer Hale (WVUE) from her twitter account.
7) Roger Allen OG/OT
8) Kolby Hurt FB
9) Chris Taylor RB
10) Ryan Taylor C
11) Ezra Butler LB

Thanks to SebaSaint on S/R

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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Aug 30, 2011 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

in case you’re playing Where’s Waldo… Chris Taylor RB is the one not on Dave’s list.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is now. ;-)

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wonder

if Chris Taylor gets picked up. Some teams must be watching Saints runners to see who gets forced out. Taylor seemed to be getting good reviews, would imagine someone somewhere noticed.

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by PanheadCatahoula on Aug 30, 2011 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

With regards to Hartley, how does a 25 year old kicker hurt himself while kicking an extra point when he’s not even touched? Is he just out of shape?

With all due respect for the ‘09 Playoffs, it’s always something with this guy. He’s more trouble than he’s worth.

by Drew-Dat on Aug 30, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd it.

No idea.

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by Dave Cariello on Aug 30, 2011 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is it.

Pistols at dawn.

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by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will you be able to stand and pace off unassisted or will you be bringing Kasay with you?

by Drew-Dat on Aug 30, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can hop on 1 leg

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by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 30, 2011 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't challenge an aderall riddled kicker.

Dude can focus like no other.

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by Jon Banks on Aug 30, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

as long as you are closer than 40 yards, you have a pretty good chance against him.

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by theprogrammerman on Aug 31, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

lemme take this one..

kicking puts all sorts of unnatural strains in the legs joints, ligaments and muscles.. just unlucky on “fat-punk” that something gave away.. sure it’s tough on the team roster, now..

by the 9th plague on Aug 30, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about going out and kicking 122 footballs for 20 to 50 yards a day, with only one leg. It was the 123rd that got him.

Deal me another hand Lord, this one's very hard

by stujo4 on Aug 30, 2011 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take this with a grain of salt, but I heard Bobby Hebert on the radio today, saying that if it’s a certain type of hip injury, then Hartley will be out 6 to 8 weeks. If this is true, I think we will have to put Hartley on IR, cause I don’t think the Saints can afford the roster spot. Especially if they are going to carry 2 fullbacks, 4 to 5 running backs, and Arrington, Morgan, and/or Roby. My guess is Arrington won’t make the cut this year, Morgan will go to practice squad, and Ivory will start out on PUP.

by thisiscnn22000 on Aug 30, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I reposted this below from a less current thread - was wondering what everyone thinks re our pass rush

Am I misguided in my thinking? When I look around the NFL and evaluate each team’s top pass rusher, it seems like we are way way down the list in the comparison. We have no one of the caliber of Dwight Freeny or Jon Abraham or Julius Pepper, Justin Tuck, Brian Orakpo, Charles Johnson, Jared Allen etc. I guess I am mostly pointing the finger at Will Smith, but I don’t even see him on a par with Trent Cole and on that team they (Eagles) have Jason Babin working as a tandem that I think are both better and the Giants have the tandem including Osi Umeniyora that are both better pass rushers than Smith or anyone we have. Am I underappreciating Smith? I am not even going from a # of sacks point of view either- it just seems we have pass rushers who have a tough time putting consistent pressure on a qb, they have no real great moves, and they don’t scare anyone. It’s hard to have a great pass rush without at least one great pass rusher.

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by Philinwood on Aug 30, 2011 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting… one of those teams has a top CB, the rest have pedestrian CB’s.

None of those teams has a top FS.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

would you trade MJ for Osi or Allen?

KNOWING WHAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE MJ!

BTW, we coulda had Ray Edwards. Just saying.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think you're underappreciating Will Smith.

When you compare defensive players (or any player for that matter) you have to look at the defensive scheme, the player’s responsibility within that scheme, and also the players surrounding him. All these things factor into a player’s individual statistics.

Ask yourself, What would Will Smith’s numbers look like if he were playing opposite a bona fide pass rushing stud? How would that affect the Saints defensive scheme? How would that affect the blocking scheme of the opposing team’s offensive line? Would Will Smith have more opportunities to make plays and thus add to his individual numbers? (Which would contribute to a more favorable perception of him being held by fans and media)

As to his not being on par with Trent Cole, Cole is a two-time Pro Bowler and Smith once. The reason I bring that up is that in 2009 Cole was chosen over Smith for the Pro-Bowl even though Will Smith had slightly better individual numbers. Cole made the Pro-Bowl on his reputation (as is the case with many Pro Bowl selections) and the long-time reputation of the Eagles defense.

Smith had more Sacks 13 to 12.5, Interceptions 1 to 0, and Forced Fumbles 3 to 2, while Cole had more Tackles 49 to 37. If Will Smith had not been “slighted” in the 2009 voting, he would be a two-time Pro Bowler and Cole would have one.

I’m not saying Will Smith is on par with guys like Freeney or Peppers, but players like Cole are not superior to him.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 30, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Smith had 2 good years and he is a major disappointment IMO.

Sacks aside, he doesn’t get pressure often. His moves seem pedestrian. I feel like he as good speed but not great speed and good power but not gret power. I once thought he was good against the run, now I think he’s mediocre against the run. I hope your perspective is right and mine is wrong. I actually didn’t think he played that well in 2009. It seems like he got some sacks when the games were out of hand or lopsided. I recall people like Hargrove, Charleston and McCray getting the important pressure and hits on QBs. Perhaps I am being too critical on him though. He needs to have a good year this year though. Regardless of who the other pass rushers are. Again, I hope your perspective is the more acuurate one.

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by Philinwood on Aug 30, 2011 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don’t think he played that well in 2009? For real? C’mon, man. Give the guy some credit.

by Jimbo03 on Aug 31, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you are saying.

I think our 2 CBs are very good. Not Reevis or Nandi level, but very high up the ladder. Close to those guys. Not pedestrian. Our safeties are very good- maybe 2 of the best and it seems great safeties are so hard to come by. Nonetheless, it does seem good pass rushers are easier to come by and we have kinda dropped the ball there getting quality DEs. My opinion could change if Cam Jordan becomesa beast of a pass rusher, but I am not expecting that.

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by Philinwood on Aug 30, 2011 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Also...

don’t expect much from a rookie.

Some of the guys you mentioned had DROY-type seasons – Allen, Peppers, & Freeny.

Some did not Osi, Abraham, Tuck had two bad seasons, Charles Johnson had three bad seasons, even Cole had two bad seasons.

Orakpo’s a LB who had a good season rushing from the far outside, like DeMarcus Ware.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that it matters

But my ex just sold DW a Toyota today lol.

Tiger's blood!!

by SarahT on Aug 30, 2011 7:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Neat!

Did he get his autograph? Is he a ’Girls fan? or a Saints fan?

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He got a picture

And is a die hard Cowgirls fan. Funny too because he played LB throughout school and was the one who taught me to love the sound of the “crunch”.

Tiger's blood!!

by SarahT on Aug 30, 2011 7:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You and your husband are always meeting NFL players. Seen Morestead lately?

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 30, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle...

→ Cam is a rookie. Most rookies suck, even the ones who become great.

Rookies are not for right now, they are for the future.

Another example…

Arguably the best Free Safety in the league Troy Polamalu had a sucky first year. (I said “arguably”, not that I would argue it.)

Two more to top it off…

Arguably the best WR ever Jerry Rice had a sucky rookie season.

And the all time leader in rushing yards, Emmitt Smith had a pedestrian rookie season.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 30, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

and then there's guys like Suh

Let’s hope Cam can follow up with an equally good rookie season.

by HB-NOLA on Aug 30, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

and there are ppl like AP

Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!

by skinnykinney on Aug 30, 2011 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

In case you didn’t see it, I mentioned 3 people on his list that had great rookie seasons.

I’m not arguing that there aren’t some great rookies. :-)

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Suh is a once in a decade player.

If he continues playing like his is capable (and doesn’t get hurt) he could rival Warren Sapp for best DT ever.

So, yeah… every once in a while there are nuggets flecks of gold in those pounds and pounds of dirt.

For every great rookie you can name, I can name search Google and find 100 that sucked their first year, and at least 50 that sucked their whole career.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

he could rival Warren Sapp for best DT ever.

Sapp doesn’t even crack my Top 5 DTs.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not surprised.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

He barely cracks my top 25. I would have to list them all out just to make sure he even makes it.

Not a dig at your opinion, Dan. Your welcome to it. But, Sapp is just one of those guy that……..@#$%&!!!!

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’d probably make my Top 10, but it would be close. No one effs with Mean Joe, imo.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand a Top 10 ranking for Sapp when you consider that his entire playing career was during the most advanced and most hyped media age in the history of human kind.

He’s definitely MORE FAMOUS than guys that I would put ahead of him on my list.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it’s at least arguable that Richard Seymour has had a better overall career than Sapp within the same era.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t compare the two because Seymour has played the majority of his career at DE.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken. I still think he’s had a better overall career and was a better DT during the time in which he’s played that position.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t disagree but I have to refrain from comparing the two because of my @#$% feelings toward Sapp as a player and the fact that Richard Seymour is one of my all-time favorite Defensive Lineman regardless of Tackle or End.

He was a very strong and quietly effective player whose greatest value was in his taking up space and double teams which allowed other players on that Patriot defense to make plays.

Plus, he had a knack for making big plays himself when the game was on the line.

Love that guy.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about Sapp vs Wilfork? Sapp vs Haynesworth, both in their primes?

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we’re talking prime years as opposed to overall career I have to give Sapp the edge. He was actually a hell of a player for about 4 seasons but it was all before the Bucs went to the Super Bowl.

Plus, that’s a difficult comparison because Wilfork and Haynesworth had different responsibilities. They were/are run stuffers. Sapp was a pass rushing DT who got his ass kicked in the run game.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, that’s a difficult comparison because Wilfork and Haynesworth had different responsibilities.

It’s not THAT difficult. Many people have put together lists of top all-time DTs, regardless of scheme.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about Sapp vs Wilfork? Sapp vs Haynesworth, both in their primes?

Your question to me about these players was specifically about comparing their primes. Not their place in all-time history.

So I answered only in that context.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s the same methodology. You compare their percentiles in relation to their (direct) peers.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

“best ever” requires a view of their whole career.

And, just to indulge you… Sapp in his prime, destroys either of those two.

Also, it’s hard to compare a 3-4 NT to two 4-3 DT’s.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

"best ever" requires a view of their whole career.

Not necessarily. I can easily compare Earl Campbell to Bo Jackson without taking tenure into account.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you can because you’re a super genious who does math with imaginary numbers in his head.

And, I’m not talking about taking the length of his career into account, just the entire career.

Many players have one great year. What makes you one of the greatest ever is being great year in and year out.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

What makes you one of the greatest ever is being great year in and year out.

Not necessarily. It depends on how you define “best ever”. I personally define it as “the best at their peak”. If their “peak” happens to be one game and there’s no reason to believe that one game was a fluke, so be it.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm…. So if someone had one season where he was completely dominant at his position, and, compared to his predicessors (by that one year) he was better than them… he could or should be considered “best XX ever”…

Example:

Best QB Ever = Tom Brady
Best WR Ever = Randy Moss
Best RB Ever = LaDainian Tomlinson

And so on.

Is that how you see it?

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sapp in his prime, destroys either of those two.

Disagree on this. I think Haynesworth in his prime is extremely close to Sapp in his.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

“I think Haynesworth in his prime is extremely close to Sapp in his.”

You’d be wrong, but you are free to disagree.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

You two at it again

LMAO

INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012

by cajuncommando58 on Aug 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

:-)

I’m really just messing around.

Sapp was MUCH better than Haynesworthless (both in their primes)… but at least he admitted that Sapp was better, however slight.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is another haynesworth..? cause..

you can’t be talking about the bum currently in NE? i bet big-rog (with us, has more to offer) mental cases cannot be considered great.. even if the dominated physcally for a while.. sapp has gotten the body of work.. including anchoring the best NFL defense for years.. & a SB win for good measure..

by the 9th plague on Aug 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's talk about running backs..

bet pizza’d say lawrence philipps is in the top 5, too.. (another psycho..)

by the 9th plague on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

even if the dominated physcally for a while.. sapp has gotten the body of work

“Body of work” has nothing to do with “in their primes”. Haynesworth was the most dominant DT in the league for at least two years, maybe three.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

umm… what?

he has been trash in Washington (aka last two years)

he was was very good (NOT great) the year before… his last in TEN.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was a first team All-Pro his last year in Tennessee, as well as the year prior.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be his two best years. You are correct.

And they don’t come close to any of Sapp’s 5 best years.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Wilks had the same function with the Saints defense during the Phillips and Mora years. He was a DE most of his career but when he moved to NT for two years (91 & 92) the Saints had their best defense in history.

The Saints had tried a few guys at NT during the Dome Patrol era but it wasn’t until Wilks anchored the middle that they had their two greatest seasons on defense.

I've got two words for ya.....Whit Bissell

by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seymour is a defensive end.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He’s played DT.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has taken some snaps at DT. I’ll give you that without even looking it up to see if you’re telling the truth.

Because, it doesn’t matter.

If he plays one position for 80-90% of the snaps, that’s his position.

Just because Darren McFadden lines up at QB a few times (and did so many times in college) does NOT make him a QB.

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he plays one position for 80-90% of the snaps, that’s his position.

He played DT for two complete seasons.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

his first two?

"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky

by Dan Kelly on Aug 31, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, in 2003 with the Patriots and this past season with the Raiders.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yes….Joe Greene was a bad mutha—, shut yo mouth, I’m just talkin’ bout Mean Joe.

I put him right there with Buck Buchanan

I've got two words for ya.....Whit Bissell

by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buchanan’s definitely in my Top 5. I’d say Lilly, Olsen and Page round it out. Randy White has to be up there, also.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Randy White was DEFINITELY a great player but some of his reputation (not all) was due to his being a Cowboy and the guys he played with on that line.

By comparison, Bob Lilly earned his rep at DT for the Cowboys before any of that “America’s Team” nonsense.

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by BewareofDog on Aug 31, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Lilly.

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by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad you mentioned Page

A lot of people seem to forget his name when discussing top DTs of all time. I know it shouldn’t affect my opinion of his football greatness, but the fact that he went on to become a state Supreme Court justice bumps him up even more in my book.

by HB-NOLA on Aug 31, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was kind of my point

Most rookies don’t have all-pro seasons, but a handful do. And for the record, I think Suh is a once in a generation player – like Reggie White excellence. (Go ahead and put me on list – Suh is going to the Hall of Fame.)

I don’t honestly expect Jordan to do that, but we can always hope he does. With Brown getting cut, Jordan should have the opportunity to do it.

by HB-NOLA on Aug 31, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we’re going to see a lot of sack-type pass rush until the run defense gets just a bit better.

by Ship on Aug 30, 2011 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

DE Alex Brown = Mr. Invisible

You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
The last thing I want to deal with at work is people-Creed Bratton

by metryman on Aug 30, 2011 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Stu, you doing an update on your accountablity index soon?

I think my “Cam Jordan will start more games than Ingram” prediction is looking pretty good right now. You got a little too caught up in Ingramania. Ingram hasn’t started a game yet that I’ve noticed. ;D

Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!

by skinnykinney on Aug 30, 2011 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

We're still in preseason!

You know, boasting and bragging only brings more ridicule when you’re wrong. You know that, right?

There ought to be at least a few items on the List resolved before it gets posted again. Otherwise, I’m a shameless self-promoter, tooting my own horn, “Hey look at me!”, etc. Some think I’m that anyway. What the hell, I’ll work on it.

Deal me another hand Lord, this one's very hard

by stujo4 on Aug 30, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

and don’t forget the cover-letter for the TPS reports

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Aug 30, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'll deny everything if i'm wrong!
What the hell, I’ll work on it.

No biggie, I know you did one not too long ago. Just interested if you’re starting to feel the pressure ;P

Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!

by skinnykinney on Aug 31, 2011 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

WWL is reporting that Hartley could miss up to eight weeks.

You can toga party, but you can't toga fish.

by coldpizza on Aug 31, 2011 3:41 PM CDT reply actions  

WHAAAAAAA?

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by cscmember on Aug 31, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do we have kicker problems every year?

Can’t Morten Andersen come back and coach these guys or something? This is ridiculous.

by xen-cuts on Aug 31, 2011 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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