New Orleans Saints Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades vs. Bears
What a difference a week and a new opponent make.
The Saints held the Bears to just 13 points and they completely embarrassed both the Bears offensive line and Jay Cutler. Literally, the only play that ever had success for this Bears offense was an underneath throw to Matt Forte. The Bears used that play over and over and over. I realize the Saints were exposed to this because of how ridiculously aggressive they became once the Bears were one dimensional offensively, but couldn't they just leave one capable guy responsible for Forte at all times?
In the end, despite Forte continually gashing the Saints in the passing game, how can I really complain? Not only did the Saints hold the Bears to 13 points, it really should have been 9 if it wasn't for that atrocious roughing the passer penalty. By the end of the game I was almost feeling sorry for the Bears. Almost.
The truth is, the Saints owed the Bears a serious beatdown and it needed to happen. The three times they've faced off in Sean Payton's tenure it's been in December or later in Chicago. Well, welcome to the idea of playing the Saints indoors on turf, Lovie Smith and crew. Not as easy to put up with, is it? And the best news is the Saints have survived two games without Will Smith and can now welcome him back for next week.
Make the jump for the grades!
Turk McBride: B (2.67) He finished with just 2 tackles and a sack, but it was a big one. He knocked the ball loose from Jay Cutler and helped the Saints secure their lone takeaway of the season so far. I've liked what I've seen from McBride so far. He's gotten decent pressure on the passer and he holds his ground pretty well against the run.Jeff Charleston: C (2.17) Nothing special, but he had a tackle on a running play and he hit Cutler once. No mistakes but he certainly didn't perform like what you'd expect from a "starter". In his defense he saw a lot less reps than Galette and Jordan.
Cameron Jordan: B- (2.17) The rookie was promising. He was good against the run and he did a solid job of getting pressure. He was completely robbed of a sack thanks to Jay Cutler's intentional grounding on one play. I hate that a defensive player doesn't get credit for a sack there because he's basically getting punished statistically for a play that ends up being more productive than a sack. He finished with 1 tackle but that doesn't tell the story of his progress. Can't wait to see more from him.
Junior Galette: B+ (2.83) Once the Bears were in a position where they were throwing every play, Galette was left in as he excels at passing rushing. He was allowed to pin his ears back and just keep going after Cutler. He finished with 2 sacks and he's off to a great start this season. I hope he still gets reps once Will Smith is back.
Aubrayo Franklin: C+ (2.00) He had two tackles and did a decent job moving the pile. Still, I've yet to see what all the hoopla about this signing is. I've yet to see Franklin dominate. Maybe he's still recovering from his injury in the preseason.
Sedrick Ellis: B- (2.00) He cleaned up a sack that was mostly made by Harper and he finished with 2 tackles. He went for long stretches without making an impact but he did tip a pass at the line of scrimmage once, and I want to really commend him for reading a screen play late in the game and instead of aimlessly going in pursuit of Cutler he stayed at home on Forte and broke up the screen attempt. A real head's up play there that I really appreciated given Forte's prowess in the passing game.
Shaun Rogers: C (1.34) He had just one tackle but it was an improvement over his invisible performance last week. I saw him actually trying and making an impact in the trenches. I'm still skeptical of the impact he'll make this season but he's got nowhere to go but up.
Mitch King: B- (2.00) He had two tackles including one for a loss and showed tons of hustle.
Scott Shanle: C- (2.00) He was responsible many times for covering Matt Forte and we all saw how that worked out. He was beat in coverage and he was very slow in pursuit. The few times he got a hold of someone downfield, he at least tackled fairly well, but he just struggled out there. He was flagged on a pass interference call that I still don't get. I replayed that play 5 times to try to get an angle where that call made sense and I can't justify it. Those refs were horrible. They're lucky I don't grade them out because it would be an F. All in all he was mediocre at best and finished with 2 tackles.
Jonathan Vilma: D+ (1.67) Give him kudos for coming back and playing through injury, but he was not good in this game. Blockers found him easily and knocked him out of the play at will. I feel like he's regressed pretty significantly so far this year. He looks slow, tackles poorly and can't shed blocks. I hope he can rebound next week.
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: A- (3.67) The Saints played Dunbar a good amount as a second inside linebacker early, utilizing the 3-4 scheme quite a bit. The result was impressive. Dunbar used his physical ability to really make a statement in run support. He was thumbing inside and making plays all over the line of scrimmage. He gave the Saints a mean streak inside that was sorely needed against the Packers. He finished with a whooping 5 tackles and played very well when he was in.
Jonathan Casillas: B (2.67) Clearly he's best rushing the passer. He was able to get another sack this week, giving him 2 for the season, 1 in each game. He finished with 2 tackles and was mostly helpful blitzing. The times he was dropped into coverage I feel like he has poor awareness of the play.
Will Herring: D (1.00) Where was he? He was listed as a "starter" and he was almost never on the field. When he was, he was consistently as far away from the football as possible. Hard to grade the guy based on his 1 tackle and limited play time, but I docked his grade a bit because he's supposed to be a starter that would make an impact on the Saints' linebacker issues. Honestly, I'd start Dunbar-Vilma-Casillas right now if it was up to me.
Jabari Greer: A (2.67) What a difference a week makes. His coverage was outstanding. He defended a number of 3rd down passes to get the Saints' defense off the field and he completely blanketed his man at all times. He was almost sound tackling and helpful coming up against the run. He finished with 4 tackles.
Patrick Robinson: B (3.00) He wasn't Greer good but he was solid in his coverage as well. He benefited from a terrific pass rush when at times he left some space to his receiver. Overall, though, he played much better than last week and wasn't victimized.
Malcolm Jenkins: B (2.50) He finished with 5 tackles and was really laying wood out there. Some of the hits he's put on players so far this year have caused me pain just watching them. The guy just crushes people. He popped Cutler pretty good on a blitz that left the quarterback a little gimpy. He was physical and he did a good job of stopping Forte on his long run. The one negative was an easy interception that hit him right in between the numbers that he dropped. He's got to come up with that football.
Roman Harper: A- (1.84) He bounced back very well from last week. He did a decent job in coverage and most importantly he was put in a better position to succeed. He played around the box, blitzed a ton, and laid some hard hits on receivers over the middle. He finished with 7 tackles, was all over the field, and had 2 sacks.
John Kasay: A (3.67) I still cannot believe he nailed that 53 yarder. Maybe Hartley's injury was a blessing in disguise? Give Kasay credit, he's been perfect so far. How can you complain about his performance? He was perfect on 3 field goals and 3 extra points. He's been a terrific fill in so far.
Thomas Morstead: A+ (3.50) I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this was the best game of Morstead's career. His main job going into this game was to neutralize Devin Hester and he was tall to the task and then some. His average off 5 punts was 45.8. Pretty good right? Well, his NET was 46.6. That's right, his net was actually better than his gross average. How is that possible? The only return Hester had was for negative yardage. Morstead was that good. Of course he blasted a slew of kickoffs for touchbacks, and the ones that were run out were harmless. He saved his best for last too, as late in the game from his own end zone he destroyed a 59 yard punt to give the Saints breathing room that angled out of bounds and wasn't returned.
Leigh Torrence: A (3.00) Torrence had five tackles and many were on Hester on special teams. He had fantastic coverage and played a huge part in keeping Hester in check. He forced a fumble on one return, and was responsible for the 4 yard loss on the punt return. He was outstanding. He also did a good job in coverage.
Brian de la Puente: D- (0.67) I'm not going to fail him, but that false start when the Saints had a gimmick audible play with Chase Daniel doing something cool was unforgivable. You could tell Sean Payton was furious, too. It worked out since Kasay ended up nailing a 53 yarder right afterwards. Still, a big party of me was very curious about what Sean Payton had up his sleeve on that play. Too bad, we'll probably never see it again.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Jabari Greer
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Thomas Morstead
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I almost think that should have raised his grade in the first place.
I’m not going to fail him, but that false start when the Saints had a gimmick audible play with Chase Daniel doing something cool was unforgivable.
Give me the Three points. I hate sometimes when Sean gets cute.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 20, 2011 11:13 AM CDT reply actions
I think they were trying for a few extra yards from an offsides… I say 70% chance, they weren’t going to run it.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
Like I said Sean getting cute.
50% of the time it would be our guys charged with a false start and putting the field goal even further away.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 21, 2011 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't let Kat hear you say that
The key to life isn't doing what you are told not to do, it is knowing what is worth doing when told not to do it.
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 21, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Jabari played his arse off!
Jabari had to be my player of the game as well. Not only did he play is arse off he was consistently in the right place at the right time. If we only had a linebacker that could rush the passer, play the right spot in zone and play coverage a little bit. Oh well…I can dream. And let me be the first to say…..WELCOME BACK TO A WELL RESTED WILL SMITH!!!!! Time to bring the pain!
by Saint for life on Sep 20, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
Can we keep Kasay? Please, dad, can we?
by HollywoodSaint on Sep 20, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No we can not
Now go to your room
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
IR'd kickers, don't get a vote.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
LMAO
Good one!!!
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you ready to kick yet?
Will Smith is coming back and we need the fricken roster spot!
by Saint for life on Sep 20, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Vilma is a good linebacker but.....
he doesn’t strike fear in anyone. No offensive coordinators have to game plan for him. He is an above average linebacker who makes tackles and is a great defensive leader. I wonder if he will play out his entire contract with us? Everybody seems like they want to have a decline conversation. I think Vilma will enter this discussion sooner than later.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
I think Vilma will enter this discussion sooner than later.
I fear you are correct. I have a feeling this is the true reason why we brought Wilson in. It wasn’t for the SLB position.
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I'm not a big Vilma fan either
I think he’s great as a team leader, but his athleticism is lacking. Whenever Forte got the dump off pass from Cutler, Vilma was usually not even in the picture. But if he was there, Forte easily ran right past him. On the other hand, whenever drew had to dump it off to our running back du jour, Chicago’s linebackers were all over it. Vilma is mediocre at best, but certainly not a dominant force.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Vilma is mediocre at best, but certainly not a dominant force.
Definitely not dominant….I would love to see some athleticism at the LB position. The enjoyment I get from seeing Casillias running all over the field is immeasurable. I would LOVE to see Wilson push Vilma for his spot. I still want to see another linebacker taken in the draft next year. I think it should be a point of emphasis just like our secondary has been for the past few years.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
We’re definitely weak at LB. I believe we could be a top 5 defense if we had 1 good / great linebacker. It’s definitely the missing link for us. Having said that, our defense is still good enough to win most of our games. They play with a lot of heart and Williams has them well coached.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
John Kasey is lucky to have me as his mentor
But soon he will go back to the nursing home he came from
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
Jealousy is an ugly thing
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 21, 2011 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions
covering a RB or any reciver that sort of "sits" there in a pocket..
of zone coverage, must be a lot more difficult than it looks on TV.. i mean.. if the guy flashes there to your side a few feet away & you may be sort of in the path of the football.. it seems like a quick little mental trigonometry combined with quick reaction, will give you close to the exact angle that the ball should arrive.. maybe it’s just an instinctive “feeling” that some of our guys lack..
by the 9th plague on Sep 20, 2011 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
trig while playing football
IS that like boxing and playing chess that I saw on TV once
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
hey.. fat-p.. good to see they ain't cut your..
sorry@$$, yet..
but yeah man.. your nervous system figures all that stuff on the fly.. dude.. is the old hand-eye coordination thingy.. to make a catch you are doing trig.. well.. your brain & muscles are, somehow..
by the 9th plague on Sep 20, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know about that....
Chicago seemed to handle our dump off passes to the running back much better than we did against them. I think overall our defense is a good unit because of the game called by Greg Williams. But the individual players that make up our defense just aren’t that noteworthy. Let’s face it, we don’t have an Urlacher, or a Ray Lewis, or a Polomalu (sp?). We do pretty damn good with what we have.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
We didn’t have an Urlacher, Lewis or Polomalu when we won the SB. We will be just fine.
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I agree....
I’m not trying to knock our defense. I think our defense succeeds based on the game plan that Greg Williams puts together and also halftime adjustments. Throw that in with just sheer desire to win and we have a respectable defense. But I was responding to 9th Plagues comment about the dump off pass to the running back. Obviously we did not cover Forte well at all. But other teams cover that type of play well. And I think it’s because they have better individual players. Our defensive guys are not stars, but as a unit they get the job done.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Our defensive guys are not stars, but as a unit they get the job done.
Completely agree. Although I think Jenkins will be a star with time.
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Yep Yep Yep
Hopefully this year!!!
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He already is.
His learning curve since he’s a Pro is damn impressive. Even more since he was drafted as a CB. Special teams at first, some bit of decent play at CB, transition to FS, steppig in for Sharper and having an impact almost every game (impact,HA!) and now mastering the position. That’s right, I said mastering.
Everyone saw his hits and the close-but-no-pick. For me, his best play was his coverage of Forte on that painful run: Ran up a bit up front Forte’s left side and slowed down trying to “push” him to his boys instead of throwing himself at him with a very bad angle and a sure miss. Then, kept his front stride going and switched his hips still in pursuit instead of byting and turning to face Forte when he cut inside. Saw the defender and took a great angle to go around him with a perfect lane for the tackle.
If that isn’t elite textbook coverage by a Free Safety, I don’t know what is….
Malcolm Jenkins. 2011 Pro Bowler. Mark it.
Repeat? Under construction...
Jenkins?
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
With Smith Coming back....who gets cut?
is Fat Punk Kicker ready to take the job back? Will we cut a fullback or will we have to cut D-linemen/LBer?
DeLaPuenalty is gone pecan.
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Don’t know…think the saints need him 4 depth purposes.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
by Saint for life on Sep 20, 2011 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought we had Brown and Tennant for that purpose.
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Brown...."You kidding me!"
Tenant I’ll give you. I was real high on Brown when we drafted him and I thought he was the next starting left tackle. the only good things I’ver heard about him is that he has a contract!
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by Saint for life on Sep 20, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Herring is a non-factor
I couldn’t understand why we kept him in the first place. On running plays, he gets completely blown out of the play. On passing plays, he’s no where to be seen. We might as well play with 10 guys than have him in the game.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Absolute non-factor!
For what he does, we might as well have Casillas in on every play. At least he’s a good pass rusher!
by Saint for life on Sep 20, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
HA!!!!
We might as well play with 10 guys than have him in the game.
Completely agree….and I shall Rec
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s no J……..
He at least takes up space and makes players think about not throwing/running in his area.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
Ha
He’s no J……..
thanks Dan, u scared me for a sec
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m the first person to jump on someone for saying that name…
But, Herring is not as bad as no-one…. like he was, literally.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
what name?
Jason David?
WIN NOW
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by Hans Petersen on Sep 21, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What took you so long?
GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!
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sorry for the slow reax to burn
I work 10-6 and then had to eat dinner and talk with the wifey before logging on…
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 21, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
ic ic… take as long as you like.
In fact, if you just want to skip it next time, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
oh, I'll keep doing it
I love this game
WIN NOW
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by Hans Petersen on Sep 22, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You are sooo heading for a noogie at the CSC BBQ!
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
You get one side
I’ll get the other and we’ll give him the ultimate wedgie.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 23, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I wish we still had Fujita.
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I agree
Fujita was a play maker. Our defense would be much much better with him in their. Not to mention he had the balls to call Hartley a “fat punk kicer”, lol. No offense FPK.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Fujita is a pretty big dude. I dont think it took much balls for him to tell Hartley anything.
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Fujita is a sissy
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Say that to his face.
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He wasn't man enough to call me a Fat Punk Kicker to my face
He is a sissy
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
No one can eat oreos faster than me
My first name is Fat, after all
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You got me there!
-
So, how do you like the new “Triple Double”?

For those who haven’t seen the commercial, yes; it’s real.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
They were okay
But not enough sugar if you ask me
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I was stuffing my face with oreo's
when this was posted……i feel like i am being watched.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You are. Now stop licking the the cream first and eat them like a man.
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I can't help it
old habits die hard
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I can’t help it either. Something about licking cream…………….Now that’s just nasty.
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Lmao
now I’m gonna go freak my girlfriend out and tell her I want to watch her lick oreo’s. I’m gonna blame it on u for the inspiration.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not saying I want him back, but did you guys see Usama Y got an INT this week for the Browns.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
He’s another one I would like back. Is he a starter for the Browns?
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Yea I saw that...
I also saw another ex saint….Danny Clark maybe….or was it DeMario Pressley….anyway I saw several ex saints had big plays this week.
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by Ragin Who Dat on Sep 20, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be surprised if it was Pressley
ole Mr. 15 career tackles
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I think he is starting
U would want him back? I’m trying to remember a good memory of him but all I can remember is him getting burned when he was put in because of an injury. I am wanting to say he had an interception or two but can’t remember the year or game.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
now that we have basically no good depth at Safety, I might take him back too.
"We got 99 problems, but a Brees ain't one!" by ShadowFlash
Eggzactly!
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Yeah I suppose
under our current situation it wouldn’t be a bad idea.
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten-George Carlin
by AcquiredPanic on Sep 20, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He tackles pretty well,
has some cover abilities (he was drafted as a CB), nice football IQ and can catch the ball. I’d take that package over Roman Harper any day of the week. Still don’t get why Saints didn’t try him out at SS since he already showed he could handle the transition from CB to FS. Specially when they knew Harper was about to be very expensive.
As for that souvenir of yours, does it include Harper slowing down on his coverage?
Repeat? Under construction...
He did play SS one game last year when Harper was out.
He was pretty effective too. Good tackling and coverage, and moved through traffic very well to make plays (2 TFLs, I think). He said afterwards that he’d never hurt so much after a game. And that’s the problem. He just doesn’t have the body to play SS. Just checked his page at nfl.com – he’s currently listed at 6’, 200 lbs – maybe with pads on. Unless he’s added 10-15 pounds.
Also, he’s listed as the backup FS for the Browns.
All that said, I’d still like to have him on the roster. He’s probably better than any of the non-starting DBs the Saints have.
Will Herring: D (1.00) Where was he? He was listed as a “starter” and he was almost never on the field. When he was, he was consistently as far away from the football as possible. Hard to grade the guy based on his 1 tackle and limited play time, but I docked his grade a bit because he’s supposed to be a starter that would make an impact on the Saints’ linebacker issues. Honestly, I’d start Dunbar-Vilma-Casillas right now if it was up to me.-Andrew Juge
In something of a surprise, Jo-Lonn Dunbar earned the start at strong-side linebacker over Will Herring and made the tackle on the first play. Overall, he was credited with five tackles, second best on the team. — Jeff Duncan
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That wasn’t entirely clear at first. You may want to move the attribution outside of the quote next time. Like this:
Andrew Juge:
Will Herring: D (1.00) Where was he? He was listed as a "starter" and he was almost never on the field. When he was, he was consistently as far away from the football as possible. Hard to grade the guy based on his 1 tackle and limited play time, but I docked his grade a bit because he’s supposed to be a starter that would make an impact on the Saints’ linebacker issues. Honestly, I’d start Dunbar-Vilma-Casillas right now if it was up to me.
Contract this with Jeff Duncan:
In something of a surprise, Jo-Lonn Dunbar earned the start at strong-side linebacker over Will Herring and made the tackle on the first play. Overall, he was credited with five tackles, second best on the team.
If the Saints cut me I am going to karate chop all of you nay sayers in the neck
I will then be know a Fat PIssed Off Kicker. And trust me you don’t want that
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
I saw you on Sons of Guns the other night. What are you preparing for? That is an absurd amount of guns to be driving around with.
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I was getting set up for in case I get cut
I had 50 copies sent to Micky and Sean’s houses.
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Sep 20, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Roman Harper
I just don’t get why he hasn’t been moved to OLB yet.
Strengths – Run D, rushing the passer, covering if ABSOLUTELY necessary
Weakness – Can’t cover receivers 1v1. Can’t cover elite TE’s 1v1. Can’t cover the deep ball or close on the ball on intermediate throws.
This seems like a no brainer. That exact description alone would scream LB. We need a SS that can make plays in the passing game AND the running game, not just the one.
Sorry
*covering RB’s if absolutely necessary
he weighs 200lbs.. a pulling guard would bury his @$$..
to where they had to peel him off the turf with hot water..
by the 9th plague on Sep 20, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
maybe because he is one of the best stroing safeties in the league and they are so ahrd to come by?
check out the rosters around the league- very few teams have 2 excellent safeties and when you get down to the third safety on a team there is almost universally a big dropoff. No, it’s not time to change an All-p Pro safety to another position. That’s how you get hurt.
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Also, I would say change Harper's grade to an A+
after all, if he’s getting the NFC defensive player of the week, that basically means he played better than about 250 defensive players- that should be good enough for an A+. If it’s not, what is?
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