New Orleans Saints Defensive and Special Teams Player Grades vs. Texans
The defense in this game seemed to get better as the game progressed, granted there was nowhere to go but up. They gave up huge chunks of yardage between the 20's, but the red zone defense was good enough to keep the game within striking distance.
At some point the Saints need to address the liabilities they have covering backs and tight ends. The linebackers and safeties on this squad (Jenkins excluded) just don't do a good job in coverage, and when the defense plays bad that's what we're seeing: either Harper or a linebacker getting victimized with a big passing play. The Saints need to get better in that department above all if they want to go far.
In the end, the defense did what was needed to win the game. Lucky for them the offense was able to put up 40 points, because anything less than that could have yielded a negative result. Make the jump for the grades!
Will Smith: B+ (3.33) It was a welcomed return for Smith and overall I thought he was excellent. He was very solid against the run, he tipped a pass, and he did a decent job on pass rushing situations, knocking Matt Schaub down once. While he didn't get a sack and I hope we'll see more of him in the backfield this season, his strength and power in the trenches was sorely missed. He finished with 6 tackles including one for a loss when he shot the gap and blew up Ben Tate. He did a good job helping his team with second level tackling in pursuit, too.Turk McBride: C (2.44) Give the guy credit, he finds his way to the quarterback. He got a sack that was a function of coverage entirely. Other than that, he was a non factor and he didn't offer much run support. Even on his sack he was fortunate as he didn't really do much to create it.
Cameron Jordan: C+ (2.22) Overall I was impressed with Jordan's effort and strength. He doesn't get knocked off the ball and he's a stout run defender. He finished with 3 tackles and I think the Smith-Jordan tandem is a good one on running downs. He didn't have much success getting to Schaub but it wasn't for lack of trying. I docked his grade a bit for jumping offsides.
Junior Galette: C- (2.44) The pass rushing specialist finished with 1 tackle and was neutralized every time he was in the game. He seemed light in the pads and got pushed around. He wasn't able to beat linemen with his speed, and once the Texans got their hands on him he wasn't going anywhere. He's on the field to get in the quarterback's face and he didn't come close to doing it.
Sedrick Ellis: B- (2.22) He missed a couple tackles, but he was fighting hard and getting nice penetration on plays. His first step and quickness was on full display, he just needs to be a little better finishing off plays. He finished with 4 tackles and was pretty good against the run.
Shaun Rogers: B- (1.78) Hey, look who decided to show up! Like Ellis he got some penetration and he was disruptive. He finished with 3 tackles and he didn't get pushed around anywhere near like what I saw in the first two games. By no means am I sold he's going to show us glimpsed of his prime, but this was an improvement.
Aubrayo Franklin: D+ (1.78) I noticed 3 plays where he was completely blocked out of the play or out of position to help his team. He finished with no tackles and didn't bring any help to the interior.
Mitch King: C- (1.89) Despite a decent amount of snaps and a lot of running around, he did nothing and had no tackles. He also got pushed around the trenches.
Jonathan Casillas: C- (2.33) He's improved a bit in coverage. I'll give him that. Schaub was eyeing his matchup with James Casey. One play yielded on a 26 yard touchdown pass, but hard to fault Casillas there as the coverage was perfect. Later in the game they went back to that same exact play and he batted the ball away. Casillas came very close to a pair of interceptions but his bricks for hands got in the way. He was unlucky enough to give Kevin Walter the assist on that freak touchdown, as his INT drop hit his hands, then Greer, then Walter. Schaub knew he was spotty in coverage and he went after Casillas with success. That said, it was more unlucky on Casillas' part than anything else. His run defense wasn't as good as usual, though, and his blitzing didn't yield anything. He finished with 1 tackle.
Martez Wilson: B (3.00) It's too bad he got hurt because he was off to a monster start. After making a nice play inside the 15 on kickoff coverage - making a big tackle, he then put good pressure on Schaub to force an incompletion, then he notched another tackle. Then, he hurt himself and never came back. I hope to see him on the field again soon.
Jo-Lonn Dunbar: B (3.34) I may get crucified for saying this, but right now I kind of prefer Dunbar over Vilma as the Saints' middle linebacker right now. I know Vilma is a leader and he offers experience and intangibles that can't be measured, fair enough, but based solely on performance I think Dunbar is playing better. That's not saying much, either. In the end Saints are clearly best off if Vilma starts playing like the old Vilma. Right now, though, he's not doing that. What Dunbar is poor at is coverage. This much is clear. What I like about Dunbar is he brings a very physical presence over the middle of the field that the Saints just don't have without him. The guy is a thumper, and besides Harper the Saints don't have anyone as physical that lays that kind of wood out there. His run support was once again outstanding and the mean streak he plays with is exciting. In the end, though, he's a big liability in coverage. Part of that's poor play recognition, and part of that is the fact that it's not his strength. That said, Vilma has been poor in coverage so far this year too. If both are going to be bad in that department, wouldn't you rather the guy that at least gets his nose in the piles and throws his weight around the line of scrimmage to finish off the d-lines job? Dunbar sheds blocks much better than Vilma has been the past two weeks. Much better. Just saying... He finished with 10 tackles and did defend 2 passes, but that was mostly because so many passes were coming his way.
Scott Shanle: C- (1.89) He finished with 5 tackles but most of those were assists helping his teammates finish off plays. He looked slow again and got beat routinely in coverage. More often than not he just seemed to be running after the play. He did have a moment of brilliance, though, smacking Steve Slaton in the backfield for a one yard loss after destroying an oncoming block. Shanle is a pretty strong guy.
Jabari Greer: B- (2.67) He was given the unenviable responsibility of running with Andre Johnson and fared poorly for large parts of the game. Johnson makes most corners look stupid and this was no exception. The Texans' receiver finished with 7 catches for 128 yards and it felt a lot worse than that. Then, out of nowhere, it seemed like Greer kind of figured things out. I don't know if he got tipped off to something as the game progressed or what, but he started anticipating Johnson's routes and jumping them. He was able to undercut two throws, one which broke up a long pass downfield, and one which yielded a critical interception. He also did a beautiful job tackling Jacoby Jones in the open field around the line of scrimmage on a screen play. He was flagged for a foul on special teams, and he was beaten a few times. He made a huge play but he also got beat a good amount. A mixed bag.
Patrick Robinson: C- (1.89) He took his turns at covering Johnson too and looked even worse than Greer. Most of the time Robinson made his tackles downfield after big gains. He finished with 4 tackles. I thought his coverage was suspect at best but he didn't make a major mistake.
Leigh Torrence: B+ (3.11) He was pretty darn good in coverage and he came up with a huge sack on a blitz. He also did his thing on special teams. He finished with 3 tackles, 2 pass break ups one of which was a ball intended for Johnson in the end zone, and a sack. He's off to a great start this season.
Malcolm Jenkins: C (2.33) He had a couple of decent hits but his 5 tackles all came after 10+ yard gains. He wasn't making any plays and instead his role was to avoid disaster. I know that's the free safety's role sometimes but I just didn't feel like he lived up to his potential in this game. He also took a couple bad angles that allowed plays to gain more yardage. He still needs to play better.
Roman Harper: C- (1.78) Harper is so frustrating because he does some things well (blitz, play in the box) and some things really bad (wrap up tackling, cover). You never know if you're going to get a huge game from him or a horrible one. This game was definitely closer to the latter. It wasn't quite as disastrous as the Seahawks/Packers performances but he once again showed his limitations in pass defense. He was badly beaten on the first touchdown pass to Owen Daniels. Later, he did do a good job on another end zone toss to Daniels, but the pass was slightly overthrown. He was also flagged once for defense holding and really fortunate it wasn't twice when he absolutely mugged Andre Johnson at the 1 yard line. Otherwise he blitzed some and was helpful against the run. He finished with 7 tackles.
John Kasay: B (3.44) He made a 35 yard attempt and all three extra points. Some of you argue that merits an A, but passing low degree of difficulty with flying colors is not A material in my book. He did his job and his job was a relatively easy one in this game. That said, give Kasay credit for being flawless through 3 games. Garrett Hartley's injury hasn't been a big deal at all thanks to him, so far... (knocks on wood)
Thomas Morstead: A (3.67) A 49.3 yard per punt average gross, and 47.7 net. That is ridiculous. Once again, Morstead stole the show. He also blasted a bunch of kickoffs and did his usual job there. He pinned one punt inside the 20 and had no touchbacks. His current level is Pro Bowl worthy, and he deserves consideration.
Isa Abdul-Quddus: B+ (2.17) He had a beautiful tackle in punt coverage as a gunner on Jacoby Jones. He was one on one with him right after Jones field the ball and he was able to track him down making a beautiful open field tackle. I'm beginning to see why the coaching staff kept this kid around. He finished with 2 tackles.
My Defensive Player of the Game: Will Smith
My Special Teams Player of the Game: Thomas Morstead
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For the first time I've voted Jo-Lonn Dunbar
Greer might have had some bigger plays but Dunbar coming in for Vilma and living up to The Next Player UP, was huge IMO.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 27, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions
dunbar is garbage
he’s had 1 big play on a punt return a few years back and thats it
by touchdown my pants on Sep 27, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not garbage...
…but average at best. And too see people dissing Vilma….
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I hate saying this,
Vilma just isn’t the same player this year. Maybe it’s just the lockout, or something, but he’s just not up to the same speed he was in past years. I say this owning a Vilma jersey.
Dunbar, meanwhile, looked solid. Above average. Now, he may have been playing better than his talent level, and will fall back to the median next week, but he did well on Sunday.
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He's been too busy making sure everyone ELSE knows what they're doing and doing it right.
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by Dave Cariello on Sep 28, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmmm.....Putting the team first and letting himself suffer?
I wouldn’t rule that out and it definitely fits his personality.
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by AcquiredPanic on Sep 28, 2011 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I personally think
it’s the knee. I don’t think he actually showed up on the injury report officially this week, but he’s had knee issues in the past. I hope it’s temporary, but when a defensive player really seems to drop off a cliff like that, I immediately wonder if there’s an injury we don’t know about. I think it’s probably been bothering him all season.
Learn to proof read.
I meant to say “I don’t think he actually showed up on the injury report UNTIL this week.”
I never dissed Vilma
And I didn’t say Dunbar was great. I just said he stepped in and did a good job in Vilma’s place. IMO Therefore the next player up reference.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 28, 2011 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Neer said you did...
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by FrenchFreak on Sep 28, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think GW deserves partial credit, not just Greer
Then, out of nowhere, it seemed like Greer kind of figured things out. I don’t know if he got tipped off to something as the game progressed or what, but he started anticipating Johnson’s routes and jumping them.
I think that Greg Williams told his defense to go for the pick and start jumping the routes. Greer tipped the ball and almost intercepted it on the play before he actually got the interception. This seems to be a pattern for GW. If we’re down in the 4th quarter and we need a momentum change, he gambles. Kudos to GW as well as Greer.
Our fat punk kicker, Garrett Hartley, missed a game-winner and we lost for the second week in a row - Scott Fujita in 2009
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by David "Satch" Kelly on Sep 27, 2011 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Used to do it to me
On the older versions of Firefox also. And At work because they are still using IE5 and won’t even upgrade that tired $h!t
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 27, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What’s up, bud? I haven’t seen you around in a while.
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Been around most of the morning.
Had to take the wife unit to the doctor yesterday.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 27, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn’t it close to your bed time?
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Just about to post that.
Got one more chore almost done then I’m headed that way.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 27, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ll drink a bunch of cold ones for ya while you’re sleeping.
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preciate it
Tell the girls I said hi. Good night all.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 27, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
IE5!?!?!?!
Seriously? Not sure you can even still found it to download.
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It may be I6
but no later. I’ve been trying to upgrade it for a while but don’t have the neccessay permissions.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 28, 2011 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
That s**ks...
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by FrenchFreak on Sep 28, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm slowly falling off of the Vilma train
I’ve said this before but I want somebody to push Vilma for playing time. I don’t care who it is as long as he has some competition at MLB spot. It might be a positive for Vilma and it could cause him to step up his game a little.
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Should we try Vilma in a different LB spot? Just a thought.
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Vilma's true value is
Reading the opponents Offensive plan and coordinating accordingly. I think he is missing some of the pieces we let go as well as trying to integrate these supposed upgrades.
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 27, 2011 3:42 PM CDT reply actions
The only thing Vilma is missing is time/yrs......
Vilma is a good MLB. A MLB is supposed to be a BEAST. Vilma was a BEAST but unfortunately is now being taken out of the play by FB or roving OL. I hope Vilma retires a Saint because he DID play a big part in helping to get team a SB win and he still has some left in the tank. I’m sure he’ll figure it out as far as finding out how to adjust his game to his age/abilities. I’m not saying he’s bad but just got to understand that alot of running plays are designed to take the MLB out of the play and the BEAST MLBs find a way around the lead blocker or pushes them back to blow up the play. That’s not Vilma some of the times. He’s still great in pass coverage & knows the game pretty good so you gots to start him. I don’t think the Defense will ever grade higher than B mainly because of GW. Needs to learn to disguise the blitz more and make better 2nd half adjustments. There were a few times when we lined up and could tell its a blitz and Schaub audibled a run to the other side.
Dunbar is GARBAGE.
10 tackles from behind means he’s chasing the guy every time. he is terrible and looked lost the whole game
by touchdown my pants on Sep 27, 2011 4:39 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe if the touchdown in your pants went away and the blood went back to your head, you'd see he played well.
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i watched him the entire game from my seat in the dome. dude literally had no clue where he was. He was out of position the entire game and most of his tackles were from behind. the middle was open all day.
Stats are so misleading.
by touchdown my pants on Sep 27, 2011 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think some are being too togh on Vilma
EVERY team has a MLB that gets beat/double teamed/puched back on occasion. Urlacher,Pay Lewis, etc. You can’t judge Vilma vs Green Bay with his two other LBs a rotating door and none of them elite. And, vs Chicago, we were fine. So, this season that’s only 1 game.
Having said that, I like Casillas and Dunbar and am hoping they can find a way to have those 3 on the field at the same time but it doesn’t seem they want Dunbar to play OLB but I think he might be good there.
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when Porter comes back, the whole defense will be better
and Prob should fit in better (or Torrence) in the nickel
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I'm really starting to like Torrence as a role player
His game has really improved over the last year and a half. At this point, I think he’s a pretty good upgrade over Gay as a nickel/reserve DB.
I’m hoping Casillas can improve as much as Torrence. He still looks fairly raw on some plays, but his natural talents are hard to deny. I hope he will steadily improve over the season, and by this time next year we’ll all be wondering why PayLoo drafted an OLB in the second round in 2012.
Philinwood is right.
We need Porter in there. The defense is not at all the same when he is not in the game. As far as Vilma? Give him time to heal. I myself think he was playing hurt and they kept him in there. When he’s better, he’ll be doing a good job as usual. Dunbar needs more playing time. He did get burnt a few times, but all in all, he held the position fairly well. I think he will adjust and he will perform better as time goes on. Alot of these 2nd and 3rd stringers need to be in the game awhile and then they’ll start to tighten up. The ones that really concern me are the starters that are slacking.

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