Saints @ Packers: HansDat's 'Hot Reads'
Here we go, Saints fans. I gave this feature a partial test-drive in the preseason, and now I'm ready to unleash it on the poor, unsuspecting regular season.
After the jump, you will find the top four aspects of the Saints-Packers game, in order of importance, that I will be focused on in my viewing, and that I see as being key to a Saints victory.
As always, you are invited to sound off on them or lay out your own 'Hot Reads' in the comment section. I welcome the discussion!
Primary Option
As with the Raiders game, and probably until the newly-reconstituted offensive line reasonably establishes that it is able to do this with regularity, I will identify PROTECT BREES as my primary Primary Option.
The line has two new starters, and they will need to be at their best in this game (as will they all), because from what I've read, Dom Capers employs an amoeba-like, morphing, unpredictable defensive front in which it is extremely difficult to see just where the pressure will be coming from on any given play. It is very similar to the scheme that Rob Ryan and the Cleveland Browns brought to the Dome last October that stymied us to no end. What I remember about that game is that Brees was pressured all day long (while often the OL guys were just standing there trying to figure out who they should block), he had a terrible game, and the Saints lost by 13 points. Oh yeah, and that ridiculous fake punt where dude ran up the gut for 68 yards against the special teams was "cover your eyes crawl under the couch after throwing your hat at the TV" bad (you know exactly what I'm talking about).
Mark my words - this will be the single most important "chess-match matchup of the minds" (to borrow the analogy from the rest of the NFL media) to win this game. If what the Saints are doing early does not work, they must adjust to find something that will work, or you can stick a fork in them because they will be done before halftime.
What I'd like to see: With nearly an entire year to work on it, I hope to high heaven that the coaches have come up with something, anything, to help our guys deal with this kind of scheme, because I imagine we'll see it quite a bit this season. I don't know what it'll take to stop it, but I think I'll know it when I see it, or at least know it when I'm NOT seeing it. Good communication, no missed assignments, helping each other out, and crisp/clean center-QB exchanges, would at least be steps in the right direction.
Checkdown # 1
Given that I see this game being a low-scoring, close contest in which points will be at a premium (I'm talking 21-20, 23-20, 20-17 territory), even more so than the usual (key to the game: score more than the other team - duh), so John Kasay needs to get his kicks.
I have joked with my family about how it's great that Kasay stunk up the joint right from the start because now we can just never expect him to make a kick so when he does, it's an unexpected bonus. However, in all seriousness, THIS IS HUGE.
Kasay's a leftie, and with a week of practice under his belt with coach Greg McMahon, LS Justin Drescher, holder Chase Daniel, and the rest of the gang, this has got to be working well Thursday night.
If it doesn't, then you have all the strategic implications that follow, such as: if he misses early, does Payton stick with him to boost his confidence, or does he start going for it on some 4th downs when maybe he'd really rather take the three points? If he misses an XP, do we then go for two after the next TD to make up for it? (I know he's not here anymore, but this was a part of Haslett's tenure that drove me UP THE WALL - we always seemed to go for two early when it didn't make sense and then end up having to go for two later because we had missed earlier and as a result we'd leave points on the field that we could have had on the scoreboard by just kicking all the XPs - GAAAA!! Haslett!!!!!)
What I'd like to see: A blowout in which we take a huge lead early so that it just doesn't matter how Kasay performs. But since I don't really see that as happening, I'll settle for a game in which he gets and succeeds on a couple of mid- to short-range opportunities, and hits all the XPs (putting us on the good side of any of those low-scoring outcomes I listed above).
Checkdown # 2
The elusive, endangered species known as the balanced offense must be not only found and preserved, but implemented effectively.
The key word here is effectively. I'm not talking about a perfect 50/50 split of runs-to-passes, although if that's how it looks on the stat sheet after a win, I won't complain. I'm talking about an effective use of both the run and the pass, as needed throughout the game, based on what is working against what the defense is giving the Saints.
What I'd like to see: That's all good and well, Hans, but just what in the hell does that mean? The Saints need to be strong in running, able to convert that third-and-short on the ground so the Packers can't just jam the TEs and WRs and disrupt that quick pass to stop a drive, and late in the game if the Saints need a grind-it-out, clock-consuming drive. On the other hand, the Saints also need to have the passing game viable at the mid- and long-range levels to bail them out in case they get into the occasional second- or third- and long, for simple variety of attack, and to help open up the running game. (I feel like this needs more here, but I just can't quite formulate it coherently right now, so maybe someone who agrees can help with more explanation in the comment section.)
Safety Valve
I considered making this one tackling (so maybe it's actually a "1-a" here that doesn't need explanation), but then thought more about the low-scoring close game I think it'll be, and came up with something else: field position.
The Saints have had a good deal of turnover in the last week among the ranks of the reserves and special teamers, going with more youth to improve that area of the Saints game, at least according to Triplett in Sunday's T-P Saints 2011 Preview. With these new faces in place, it's natural to wonder how well they will do, because breakdowns or excellent play can either save or break the game for the Saints by granting a strategic advantage by way of starting field position on each drive.
What I'd like to see: These new guys need to cover the actual kicks well, bring down the return men hastily, and not commit penalties in order to keep Green Bay far from the end zone at the start of each drive. Morstead will also need to kick it well. Lots of touchbacks and fair catches would be nice.
On the flip side, those same guys need to block well on returns to allow Courtney Roby and Darren Sproles to make clean catches, run straight ahead while following the blocking schemes in place, and hang on to the ball when they get hit, giving our team better field position.
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Be sure to check out the accountability analysis of these 'Hot Reads' in the days following the games. Each week, I plan to publish a post that describes how these factors actually played out in the game, and what impact they had on the outcome.
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they are certainly connected
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
this is probably the MOST important factor of every game
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
TOP! TOP!! TOP!!!
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that's a good one, too
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
That was my best coldpizza impersonation.
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duly noted and appreciated
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WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You are a wise man, Hans.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
I voted other
Get a lead and then shorten the game by pounding the run
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
I'd love to see this
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
GAMEDAY!!!
/puts on Saints shirt
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Hoping Kasey gets his kicks (on route 66)
Think it will be a close game deciced by less than 5 points , so every point
on the board will be crucial.
Not to say that all the other options are not important either.
That could`ve been me,a useless gnome* fishing
for turds in a birthing pool.
Got out my Ricky Jackson jersey
but I really think we have to make a lot of yards on the ground to win.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley
by PanheadCatahoula on Sep 8, 2011 7:25 AM CDT reply actions
other
stop the run.
"when an opponent is down, kick'em when they're down!" Bobby Hebert
by saintslam on Sep 8, 2011 7:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think you have a good point
I gave strong consideration to that one and also to our secondary making good tackles – first man who gets there needs to drop the ball carrier…
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
My vote as well.
Wrecked ya for getting it in there first.
Hmmm...
I probably shouldn’t come on this. ;-)
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by Dave Cariello on Aug 24, 2011 10:31 AM PDT
Other
Where is the hamburger option?
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Rats!! I knew I was missing something...
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WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Why did you bring up the GOD DAM HASLETT CHART! Oh Hans, watching Haslett go for two up 15-7 mid second quarter used to drive me insane. Here’s my rule on going for two; only go for two if you need it to get within a field goal or touchdown and it’s reasonable to think you might only get the ball one more time. Otherwise you shouldn’t, unless you convert the conversion then it’s totally fine.
"Saints fans should be sending Paul Tagliabue primo Hollywood quality hookers monthly for the remainder of his life"---Andrew Juge
GOD DAM HASLETT CHART!
Ralph, if you keep this up, I’m gonna fall madly in love with you (in the purest masculine sense of the phrase, of course).
(Sorry, Stu….I know it must seem like “I say that to all the boys”. Besides, you never did get back to me on that Das EFX thing)
I've got two words for ya.....Whit Bissell
I must have missed something.
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Yeah, you did
Turns out, the old stick-in-the-mud has some real flava……for an accountant.
(Just don’t expect him to “bounce and do the silly rabbit” anytime soon)
I've got two words for ya.....Whit Bissell
Was ist dieses “Das EFX”? Es ist ähnlich wie “Flight of the Conchords”?
Some will rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen.
Ooops!
Hey, Sprink….cancel that order of “Flava” for Stu.
I've got two words for ya.....Whit Bissell
Stu, I had to go to three different online translators to figure out WTH you were saying. My screen kept locking up. What, they don’t speak German over at Google?
I've got two words for ya.....Whit Bissell
Any club that would have someone like me as member, Schweinhund.
Some will rob you with a six gun, some with a fountain pen.
Pig Hound?
ok guess that fits. you hound dog you.
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Sep 8, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
and yes
I have a translator toolbar on my desktop.
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Sep 8, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
fixed it now
but sorry, you can’t vote twice
WIN NOW
WINGRAMANIA!!!!
by Hans Petersen on Sep 8, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I voted Other
NO BLACK PANTS
The 2011 Saints: From Lockout to Knockout
by MobileSaint on Sep 8, 2011 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
This is my biggest fear for tonight...
seeing them in those black pants….Sweet Baby Jesus…please don’t send them out in black pants!!!
" I’ve never done drugs but I think watching Matty Ice stare blankly towards the field as Drew Brees kneels down while clock hits zero in a playoff game would be like doing cocaine off a strippers @$$#….yeah that good.
Yes my hatred for Atlanta is unhealthy/ possibly illegal" - Malbrough
by born in areacode 318 on Sep 8, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd!
Black Shirt Gold Pants. Protect Brees and SCORE!!!
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
Speaking of uniforms...
Does anyone know why the Saints were in black jerseys for their final preseason game? I thought Payton picked white for the first 4 home games and preseason home games, and black for the last 4 home games and any playoff home games. I like em both, but, as said earlier, no all black pants!
by thisiscnn22000 on Sep 8, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Are they pants or are they tights/
Either way, they are fugly… If they were some type of lucky talisman, I might be able to stomach them…But they are not, just fugly.
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
by BenDerDonDat on Sep 8, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
white jerseys at 4 homes games?
sounds weird to me. (and I’m here in Dallas, where the home uni has a white jerseys)
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
Good luck against the Pack
From experience you’ll need to do a couple of things, first pressure Rodgers if you don’t pressure him he will kill you. Smith is out I believe for you just like K-Will is out for us so I’m not really sure what you have in the mix to take his place. Rodgers has to many weapons to choose from down field if he gets on a roll you are pretty screwed. Second, keep a blocker in the back field. Capers loves to run delayed blitzes and trust me it’s extremely difficult to pick that up at the line. Next you’ll want to stay in a nickel as long as Finley is on the field, unless you have an excellent coverage line backer. In the end though I think you have to control the clock and keep it out of Rodgers hands as long as you can. If you can get your running game primed I think you have a good shot of winning this game.
Good luck to you all I hope you beat the living crap out of them. Seriously as in with bats :D
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
“Next you’ll want to stay in a nickel as long as Finley is on the field, unless you have an excellent coverage line backer. "
So stay in the nickel the whole game, got it.
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Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
by Jon Banks on Sep 8, 2011 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think we’ll see a lot of 3-3-5 with a few mixed up blitzes.
by BlackandGold4ever on Sep 8, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course, he could just revert to the gameplan he threw at Peyton in the Super Bowl…more of a patient defense picking its spots
by BlackandGold4ever on Sep 8, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
thanks we'll need it.
but then it can’t be as bad as last year.. :p
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
Thanks…I think we will, but I’m in the minority.
So are y’all gonna develop that young QB that y’all drafted or keep bringing in veterans? I thought that some people said he lookes promising…
by BlackandGold4ever on Sep 8, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we wanted to develope him this year
but with no mini camp or OTA’s there really wasn’t much time to show him the ropes. Because of this I’m cool with McNabb being here, and since he only has a one year contract I’m even happier (did I mention it’s a third of what the Favracolipse was?)
I'm like the Dali Lama of kicking ass
Best of luck Grime
And keeping Rodgers uncomfortable is the key, and very hard to do. And hope to God our running game is successful.
That's interesting. You know what makes me sad? YOU DO!!! Maybe we should chug on over to mambypandyland...or maybe we can find some self confidence for you YA JACKWAGON!!!!!!
(tears) Tissue?.....Crybaby.
Key Match Ups
I like our match ups with our interior o-line against their d-line. Raji is good, but I think J Evans can handle him. If we go over 100 yards rushing and win the turnover battle, I think we’ll win. Brees dropping back to pass 40+ times equals about 30 blitzes from all angles. Dom Capers (even going back to Saints days) is a solid defensive coach. I’d rather line up in tight formations and run right at them. Also, keep an eye on the Roman Harper/J Finley match-up. I think I’d rather just close my eyes and hope for the best. Visions of Seattle keep creeping back in my head.
Hoping for a score somewhere in the 20’s…..win by four (28-24)
Did everybody forget the game against the 49ers last season? I expect the same type of performance against Finley
by BlackandGold4ever on Sep 8, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
i voted for balanced offense
if we pass alot then it doesn’t matter who we have on the O-line. They will get to the QB. If we mix it up, use a few delay handoffs and power running formation plays, then we should be able to hold them at bay. Maybe we can even breakthrough on a blitz for a long TD run. If I had to choose w/out options I would’ve said limit their big plays. i.e. no interceptions/fumble recoveries in the redzone/inside our 20 and none brought back to the 30 or better. also, no long scoring plays. make them work the field to get it.
Now that we have a 2011 season let's win the Superbowl!
by skinnykinney on Sep 8, 2011 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Other--stop the run
I think Rodgers can be beat if the Saints make him one-dimensional. But if the pre-season run defense shows up tonight, GB will score a lot and win TOP. Currently, there is too little experience on the defensive ends and too-average play at the OLB. But win or lose, I predict many reasons to drink…………
Just beat the Pack, end of story. See ya in week 3. Greetings from Chicago, go Saints.
by transylvanian bear on Sep 8, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions
Richard is dat U?
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by cajuncommando58 on Sep 8, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
OK we're set
Chicken, Sausage, & Shrimp Gumbo is on the Stove. Who Dat!!!
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Sep 8, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
Chicken, sausage and shrimp? Thats the first time I have heard of that combo. I have to say that it does sound good. When do you throw the shrimp in?
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It IS a good combination!
Don’t know how cc58 does it, but I add dem scrimps late in de cooking time or dey gets tougher than gramma’s shoe leather.
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
I figured the shrimp get thrown in right as the gumbo is done. I’m hungry for some gumbo now.
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you have to throw it in right at the end.
I usually add 3 to 4 table spoons file’, depending on the quantity of gumbo made at the last 20 min of cooking and throw the shrimp in about 10 minutes after adding the file’. Shrimp is done when it turns pink. Has it’s own internal thermometer. Whatever you do if you add oysters also,, just add about five minutes before done and turn off de fire. Oyster will be rubbery if cooked too long. The heat from the gumbo even after the stove is turned off should be enough to cook de oysters. I like to add the file’ right into the gumbo but you can leave out and let everyone add to their bowl per their taste. If you add crabs whole 20 min, lumb crab meat same as shrimp. Crawfish tails about 10 minutes. You talking about a $60 to $100 gumbo here and not for every game day.
INGRAMANIA equals LOMBARDI 2012
by cajuncommando58 on Sep 9, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
GOOD NEWS
Perter King picked the pack (of pickled peppers) to win!! We’ve got this!
I voted "other"...
Get more takeaways than we give up.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
Good one, but there's a flaw in your logic
If we get more takeaways and can’t do anything with them while they get fewer but they all lead to points being scored…
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
You bring up an excellent point that covers 15% of the cases… I hope we’re in the 85%.
"It ain't about how hard you hit, it is about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, how much can you take and KEEP MOVING FORWARD. That's how winning is done!" - Rocky
Yeah...
I hope so too if it works out that we have more TOs. I’d be thrilled just to have the Black & Gold WIN in ANY way!
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees
I say Protect Brees BUT ALSO......
Since we’re not a “BUMP & RUN” styled secondary, I say tackling is KEY! Most of the preseason, WRs were catching the ball and with our defender 5 yards away, they’d do a juke move and one miss tackle later, OPPOSITION TD or huge gain. I know its gonna be a bllitz fest tonight and I hope Brees has enough sense to throw it away or take off and run if a lane opens up. Other than that, its not like Packers do “everythng” perfect and they have issues too on D-Line & O-Line so we can/should win this. The Saints we love have always gotten up for the big games and tonight shouldn’t be different.
I'm a little freaked out today
Excited but part of me is scared to see what happens. Waiting to see what the final 53 have to bring to the table. The roster is a little strange, not quite what a lot of us expected during the draft – just not sure what to expect I guess.
Sucks I have to work tonight but I told them I will be in after 11pm which thank God they are cool with.
Tiger's blood!!
That's right...
Tell them, “hey, priorities!” This is just work lol!
"It's about time that something good like this happened." - Drew Brees

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