It Was An Epic Season!
I will say that was one crazy game! And it stings like hell. And I would like to add we had a very good season. I wanted so badly to get that second ring. But we fell short. The good news? We weren't one and done. I'm not settling or anything of that matter, but if we're going to shoot for that second ring, we must improve on defense. Our offense was phenominal all season long. And Drew Brees will always be my hero till the end. He's a true leader and a winner. He did his job fighting us back to a possible win at the end. But the defense.....alot to be desired.
The 9ers have a great defense, and it certainly showed today by creating 5 turnovers. Even though we had a chance to win at the end, the 9ers Earned that victory. We didn't protect the football early on, 5 turnovers and still put up 32 points. Fought back after being down 17-0. Nothing wrong with this offense. The defense hung in there most of the game, but broke in the end. The better team won today. Congrats to the 9ers. You were the better team today, you proved it on the field.
No whining from me. You won't hear me say, oh we could have won even with 5 turnovers or this wasn't called, that wasn't called, the refs blah blah. I won't stoop to that level if you guys know what I mean. We got beat in an epic thriller. But I'm extremely proud of the offense fighting back in the game and at least giving us a chance. I love Sean Payton, Drew Brees and this team.
However, Dear God, please in the off-season, give us at least an "Improved Defense"
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GREAT Season
Post-season, not so much. I can’t help it, this one stings. I won’t stoop down to the level a few of our opponents have, either, though. Big time game, nobody had a slow and steady heartbeat on either side today. Quite a display. It did show we need a defense, at least one that’s middle of the road, to carry on the times when our O is pressed. This game is definitely a coulda-shoulda-woulda type game that will sting for a while. I mean, that Graham TD was the biggest of the year, only to have that balloon of joy and hope busted like the Hindenburg. I couldn’t believe it. But, our O did what they needed to do, they fought hard for what they got. 10 points by the Niners at point blank range can’t really be held against the D. Those last two td’s, though, definitely on them. We desperately need a defense that can hang on to a win with less than a 20 point lead. We saw a ten point lead evaporate in the last minutes of the 1st ATL game, TN’s rookie nearly came back and won, and then today the game was won twice, but SF snatched it from our hands. I’m sure there are more, but I’m too depressed to think about it. A defense that can tighten the screw just a little, play to win instead of play to delay, is all we needed to go all the way. And maybe I was wearing gold and black glasses, but I felt like we were going anyway, in spite of our D. It felt better than ‘09 to me. Ah, c’est la vie…but the Saints and me, we go a long way back. In that spirit, let me say as I did as a young kid watching the Cajun Cannon chuck a mile-long bomb…“There’s always next year.”
"I don't suffer from drug addiction. I enjoy it very much."
I won’t stoop down to the level a few of our opponents have, either, though.
Thank you Cajun. We are a different breed, and a class act blog. Thank our lucky stars we don’t have to stoop down to This Level. A Quote from Sarge over there “That’s because the Niners took down the Cheap Shot Artists of New Orleans yesterday”
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Actually...
There’s some people here that are stooping down. It goes both ways, don’t feel good about it either way. Just be above it all, by just being above it all. When you say, “I’m not going to stoop to their level and …” Then you you’re stooping in a passive aggressive manner.
Haters gon' hate...
yeah, I think a good general statement
is that most blogs are ok, some are really good, and some are great, and they all have some individual a**holes, and really fine people, too.
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
However, Dear God, please in the off-season, give us at least an “Improved Defense”
You might get your wish. There are currently rumors circulating that Gregg Williams will rejoin Jeff Fisher in St. Louis. That should open the door to a DC that teaches stronger fundamentals. The aggression Williams taught could still conceivably be emulated on the position coach level. If we improve the talent level a bit in the interim, we could wind up with the best of all three worlds. Put it this way … there’s not a lot of room for regression, outside of that one overplayed “bend don’t break” third down percentage statistic that proved to be nothing more than optimist spin doctoring today.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
The aggression Williams taught could still conceivably be emulated on the position coach level.
That’s assuming he doesn’t drag his entire staff with him. Either way, the playbook remains in Metairie and Payton should know enough as a HC to reinforce the underlying ideology in new hires.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
Someone, I think maybe it was Deke or Bobby Hebert
was talking about how little you see Sean and GW interacting with each other. I thought that was an interesting point.
Agreed on both points
I would love to get spags as DC
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Okay let me ask you this CP
Do you think some of the younger kids on defense like Jenkins and PRob could improve with a coach that teaches stronger fundamentals?
IMO bend but don’t break says just do the bare minimum that you have to do to get by but not lose which does not match our offense. When Sharper was around we thought Jenkins was going to be a lot more talented than he is turning out to be – or is it just because Sharper was working with him in a way that Williams isn’t? They seem to have these moments of greatness…then it’s lost again.
Sorry I don’t know a lot about this, I can only go off of what I see and feel.
Jenkins doesn’t have the experience Sharper does, obviously. I do feel as though he has the potential to be that good. I also don’t view he or Robinson as weak links, in terms of fundamentals. They’re raw, but they’re both pretty good tacklers. Jenkins takes poor angles at times and definitely shouldn’t be playing CB. I’m assuming someone was either injured or inactive late to have him that involved at that position against SF. Robinson is arguably the best CB we have at run support and is pushing Greer as the best DB on the team overall, imo. Porter and Harper are both submarine tacklers, which I personally cannot stand. That’s when they lauch the back side of their shoulder into the back of a runners thigh or calf. Probably capsizes them about 50% of the time. The other 50% of the time, they’re making their way up the field for more yardage. Sharper did this also, yet I’ve watched film on him at both Green Bay and Minnesota and he wrapped up much more frequently on those teams. So, I’m not really sure if that’s something he was doing as a form of intimidation, maybe to compensate for the step he may have lost as a younger player, or if this is a technique that Gregg Williams was preaching back in 2009. Either way, Robinson doesn’t appear to have been exposed to it and maybe Jenkins has just come to realize that it’s not his bag. Harper’s always been known for his hard hitting, so it makes sense that he’d be more reluctant to stray from that rep. Porter seems like the most externally corrupted of the bunch, though even that’s speculation as I never saw him play at Indiana. I know both Porter and Jenkins were punt returners in college and those guys typically aren’t the most sound players fundamentally on defense. Devin Hester, for example, was converted to a WR in the pros because he was that lacking as a tackler and in man-to-man coverage. I wouldn’t say Porter is lacking to that extent, but he’s not what I would call a well-rounded corner. It’s tough to say, but you have to think if they picked this stuff up from their peers or Williams, they at least SHOULD be able to be taught how to wrap up. That doesn’t mean they’re suddenly going to become all-pros … Scott Shanle’s actually an exceptional open field tackler, he just sucks in terms of agility and containment. You can only teach so much, but I can’t see how a change at DC could be viewed as something catastrophic. I mean, “bend don’t break” is what made Gary Gibbs the poster child of necessitated change, but for whatever reason, it’s now considered a good thing? Seems big time hypocritical to me. Had Gibbs been afforded a 4th place schedule, Greer/Porter over Jason David/Fred Thomas and Darren Sharper versus six green opposing QBs, I’m sure he would have collected his fair share of anomalous takeaways that 2009 season, also. I think it’s as much the players and the matchups as it is the coaching and the scheme.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
Thanks for your input!
I am on board with him moving to St. Louis. He still has family there and I think his time is done here so onwards and upwards. Let’s make our defense as intimidating as our offense is.
I agree with all of that.
I like Dunbar too. I think he is getting better each game.
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
by hooahsaint2.0 on Jan 15, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Dunbar has made strides. Not sure I’m comfortable with him — or any of our LBs, other than Vilma — as a starter, but he’s definitely one of the more improved players on the roster.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
I am not impressed with Gregg's scheme
If you blitz every down, you’re bound to get some sacks and hurries, but you’re also predictable and susceptible to big plays.
We need a DC with a nice blitz package that knows how to disguise blitz as well as coverages.
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
by hooahsaint2.0 on Jan 15, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed. He’s too balls-to-the-wall. Of course, some of that may have to do with not having the talent he has to work with. But if that’s the case, maybe someone else could do just as good a job coaching up fundamentals. Probably six one way, half a dozen the other, but at least three-and-outs has proven to be a better foundation for long term success than causing turnovers. Not that either is mutually exclusive. I just mean as a point of focus.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
Out of curiosity…what’s your thought on Wilson? Additionally…the idea of changing to a 3-4? I don’t think the latter will happen as the names being pushed forward are 4-3 defensive minds in Nolan and Spags. I thought Wilson shows a lot of promise moving forward and he’s bar far more athletic than any of our current LBs. I just wonder about his ability to actually LEARN how to play rather than being all instinct.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I hope it happens, but I’m not holding my breath. I liked what I saw out of Wilson these last few weeks. Same for Jordan. They both took 3/4 of the season to start showing signs of life. I think either would better in the 3-4. I don’t really see Jordan becoming anything super special in either scheme, but he’ll probably be around for a while.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
I'm a huge fan of the 3-4.
It’s hard to get four quality linebackers, but the flexibility of the formation is amazing. It’s a quarterbacking nightmare with pre-snap reads.
With this turning into so much of a passing league, a quality 3-4 is a good base defense. It is susceptible to the power run-offense, though.
I could see us pulling it off with Vilma, Dunbar, Shanle, and Wilson.
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
by hooahsaint2.0 on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely.
Last I checked a three and out IS a turnover.
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
by hooahsaint2.0 on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for this, coldpizza.
Very informative. And thanks Sarah T for asking the question.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
"capsize" - that's the characterization I've been looking for!!! thanks, CP
Mrs. Hans and I were watching the GB-Giants game yesterday, and on one of Nicks’s long TD catches, one of the GB DBs is within 5 feet of him at the time of the catch, takes two steps and then folds his arms into his chest launches himself, forearms first at Nicks…trying to “capsize” him, but Nicks bounces off this attempt and around the other DB in the area, who is now out of position to make the tackle because the first guy knocked Nicks out his reach, and 50 yards later, he’s in the end zone.
I rewound it to show Mrs. H that first tackle “attempt”, and she commented, “why on Earth would anyone try to tackle like that?”
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
The bend don't break scenario
What amazed me was during the last 2 drives of the 49ers offense, our D went prevent and didn’t bring any pressure to Alex Smith. And that goes to show you our D needs alot of help. A new coordinator and some fresh blood. Tracy Porter needs to go, Roman Harper needs to go, and we need some tough linebackers.
Did you see the 49er LB’s aggressiveness towards the ball? The Saints D could learn from that. I gotta give the 9ers D credit. Those guys are stingers.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
We didnt’ play prevent actually. If you have a copy…go back as painful as it is and watch those last 2 drives with Vernon Davis. We’re playing straight up man. Why?…No idea….but we are.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I gotta hand in to Vernon Davis.
The guys is a beast! And a class act I will add
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
250 lb TE with 4.3 speed….insane. Very underrated blocker too.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Yep. Imagine if we had him in a rotation with Graham. That would be utterly insane
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Need to teach Graham to be a better blocker. Loved his downfield blocking yesterday though on the long Sproles TD.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Speaking of downfield blocking, I thought Devery didn’t a decent job of running interference on Graham’s late TD. Not a Hines Ward type of take out block obviously, but pretty good awareness for a speed guy to turn back like that. He basically took the guy Graham didn’t straight arm out of the play.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
and what makes that play even better by DH
is that he had to turn sideways and shimmy to avoid knocking Graham down (although that might have been the better thing to happen, considering the rest of the game), and then choose between two guys to block (and in this case, I’ve seen others not choose wisely, or choose to try and get both and end up blocking neither) and he expertly cleaned the one guy out. As a a showcase of nice long-play blocking, that was pretty darn sweet.
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Funny too
Because I heard Big Chief say we would have the biggest issue with Davis because we have a real issue covering TEs. Turned out to be way more true than ever in this game.
Sure did
And a crazy football weekend all around
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
I think he probably mixed it up some, trying to confuse Mr. Smith
but it didn’t work
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I have another question for you CP
Adam Schefter just tweeted “With Gregg Williams expected to join Jeff Fisher in STL, two DC candidates on the Saints radar are Steve Spagnuolo and Mike Nolan.”
If Spags joins the Saints, I know we would maintain this 4-3 defense, but couldn’t it be conceivable that we shift to the 3-4? Is that why Mike Nolan is a potential candidate? Cam Jordan, entering the draft, was regarded as a perfect fit as a 3-4 DE. Aubrayo Franklin could be resigned as the NT—he played that position with San Fran just a year ago. Jon Vilma and Dunbar could man the ILB position while Casillas takes one of the rush LB positions with Martez Wilson as a backup. Then we would just need another 3-4 end and rush linebacker.
I think that’s entirely possible and I’m a huge advocate of the 3-4. There’s also enough of a demand for 4-3 DTs, that we could possibly get a late first or second rounder for Ellis, if not a decent OLB outright in a trade. Will Smith had his most productive seasons in the 3-4 under Haslett. Of course, that was with Charles Grant lined up opposite him. I don’t view Jordan as the disruptive force a young Grant was, nor do I view Smith as the disruptive force he himself was seven years ago. Still, they’re certainly not creating havoc consistently with their front seven as is, so why NOT try it the other way? I guess it just depends on who can be brought in personnel wise. That’s extremely tough to gauge without a 1st round pick, but I wouldn’t rule out a shift. Ellis basically becomes our Amobi Okoye, though. He’s not cut out for 3-4 NT duty. Wilson has 3-4 Sam written all over him. We would need a guy like Quincy Black or Antwan Barnes who could just come in and pin his ears back at the Will and that’s far from inconceivable, in terms of general availability from one year to the next. And who knows? We may already have Smith’s heir apparent on the roster in Galette. He’s truly done no better/worse in the 4-3.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
We might even be able to coax Channing Crowder out of retirement. You have to figure he was just burnt out playing for Miami. He’s only 28 and would bring a ton of character to the team. I think developing an ICP reputation on defense would be a good thing and a lot of fun to watch.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
I completely agree.
We have not been able to generate much of a pass rush from our defensive line—the only pass rush the Saints generated all season was through sccheme. So wouldn’t it be even better to take a player off that ineffective defensive line and ultimately add a faster, more athletic linebacker to the fold. Since the only form of pass rush the Saints have is made through scheme, why not switch to the 3-4, which would ulimately allow us a wide range of schemes to rush the passer while also minimizing the impact of the ineffective defensive line in pass rush situations? Makes sense to me.
Furthermore, we could release the injury prone Jonathan Vilma and create cap room for Nicks and Colston. Then our starting interior could be Casillas and Dunbar. I am all for a youth movement on the defensive side of the ball…I’m sick of the old, slow linebacker play. If Shanle had the range of a Lawrence Timmons, for instance, I have no doubt in my mind that he would have stepped in front of Alex Smith’s final throw and ended the game with a Saints win. The current linebackers are too slow.
One last thing…with Jon Beason returning from injury to the Carolina Panthers, that would make Dan Conner expendable. PUT HIM IN A SAINTS UNIFORM!!!!!
by saintfever09 on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry it's over, but the lights are out
I am thankful for the season we had. It was not all that I wanted but better than most teams. Whenever I start feeling too sorry for myself I just remember when so many of us were happy with an 8-8 season. But, the Saints won the division and advanced in the playoffs. LSU won the SEC and advanced to the championship game. LA Tech won the WAC and played respectable against TCU. All in all, LOUISIANA had a good good football year. Oh Yea! I almost forgot. The Ragin cajuns went to their 1st bowl game in 40 years and won in a thriller that was mentioned as the 2nd best bowl game of the year by some blog? Who DaT!
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading" Henny Youngman

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