Random Thoughts While My Blood Pressure Slowly Recovers
Emily Dickinson was wrong. Hope is not the thing with feathers that perches in the soul; hope is the thing with steel barbs that catch on your insides while it's being ripped out of you.
This, I think, was the most painful defeat in Saints history. It was ten times worse than the Seattle game, because this time we won...until we didn't. And that happened twice!
So, here are my random thoughts regarding Alex Smith with the lead pipe in the Candlestick. Forgive me, please, for not being better organized...I think I drank several of my best brain cells into oblivion (they're happier there, they refuse to come back).
1. The last time a quarterback broke the NFL yardage record, it was the 49ers who put him in his place. As MtnGoddess said to me, that stake through the heart felt mighty familiar. To me, as a long-time Dolphins fan who spent Marino's record-breaking season living in San Francisco, if felt doubly familiar.
2. It wasn't the turnovers that beat us. We overcame those. We actually took the lead twice in the fourth quarter, only to lose it twice. And sure: if it hadn't been for those turnovers, maybe we wouldn't have been desperate to score at the end. Maybe. But the point is, score we did. Take the lead we did. We just couldn't hold it.
3. The offense was unbalanced...but not by design. The 49ers succeeded in one play in making the Saints' offense one-dimensional. They knocked out Pierre Thomas. Had that not happened, I am convinced we would have won by two scores. Thomas is not the same runner as Chris Ivory, who is more of a straight-ahead bruiser, less shifty, less able to break tackles with anything other than brute force. Against the Niners, brute force wasn't working...so we passed. And it worked, because we won the game. Until we didn't.
4. This loss was on the defense. Again. The offense let the defense down badly in the first half, and the defense played pretty well, considering the bad positions they were continually put in. They managed to seriously slow down the San Francisco attack in the second half, and it began to look as though the Niners were scraping the bottom of the playbook. And then...bang! Bang! Two go-ahead touchdowns in two minutes. That was a far, far larger and more complete failure than six players missing a tackle on one play in Seattle.
But I'm still at a loss to ascribe blame. Was it scheme or execution? Or a combination of both? A lot of people are pointing fingers at Malcolm Jenkins and Roman Harper...but perhaps they were doing exactly what they were told to do, and it was the play call that put them out of position. Or perhaps the call was perfect, and Harper and Jenkins both simply failed. Fans are rarely in the position to be completely sure of what happened.
So when is this going to get fixed? And how to fix it?
5. I'm half-convinced Gregg Williams is gone. The defense is steadily deteriorating. Free agents aren't working out. It pains me to say it, but hindsight shows that the Saints haven't drafted well on defense; there are fewer draft choices this year; and anyway the Saints seem to be following the Colts' model: all the big money is going to the offense, and the defense is only expected to keep us in games and let the offense win it. The problem is: they can't do that anymore. What's more, Williams and Payton, by all accounts, are not close; Williams and Fisher are. St. Louis may simply be a more enjoyable place for Williams to work.
Besides: if I were Sean Payton, I'd be massively pissed off right now. He and Loomis may not want Williams back.
6. I wonder if our window is closed. With so many free agents next year, including The Big One, I don't see how there's enough money to restock talent. And since most of the talent is on the offensive side, that means even less money for the defense...unless they want to allow the offense to deteriorate while they try to fix the defensive side. Just about the only thing I can see happening that might allow us to repeat the success of this season is a new defensive coordinator. Perhaps someone like Steve Spagnuolo can get more out of the same guys than Gregg Williams could, in much the same way that Wade Phillips turned around the Texans. It's anything but a sure bet--and I don't hate Gregg Williams by any means--but if there's no money for better players, you takes your chances and hopes for the best.
7. Never mix Belgian-style beer and rum. Bad mistake. Bad.
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Too bad. I really, really hate the 49rs
Lots of argument about how unimportant defense is in the modern NFL over at Bucsnation. The team with the best defense won so it is what it is. I still think a solid defense is important especially in the playoffs. I wouldn’t worry too much you guys are still the best in the NFC south, and you’ll be in the playoffs again next year.
there's a gleam, men, there's a gleam
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST reply actions
I worry about the Free Agency problem as well. There are so many key players with contracts up.
Gregg has possibly already made his decision about leaving.
I have to disagree about the turnovers. In our current model of the saints, Williams defense is never supposed to preserve the chance of coming back. We got lucky that we were still in it at the half and they didn’t turn those 4 turnovers into 28 points. I hate to say it but the Offense failed the defense and the special teams unit failed everybody, muffing kick returns is busch league. You can almost be guaranteed that if the saints had won that large of a turnover margin that the score wouldn’t have been anywhere close. One could even say that if we had only lost the 3 on offense and none on special teams, other posters have mentioned this, the score would have been different as well.
The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson
Short field for the niners is absolutely what killed us and put us in the position to lose in the 4th.
The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson
That is a big part of the formula for SF all season...
Field position.
Special team is all too often overlooked, especially be team with a strong offense. SF fell victim to that mindset during their glory years and it cost them several times.
I think NO is in good enough shape if they keep a solid core of their offense and address modest issues on defense and special teams. It’s not too difficult to build around a good core, and you have a very good head coach and QB, which is really key.
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
What do you think of Mike Nolan as DC? I know he was the head coach over there, but they are talking about him as a possible replacement for Williams. Just curious what you think of him from his days there.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 16, 2012 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
And look at the reasons why. He made the Devner defense legit in only one year. Then left because he had issues with the HC. Then went to Miami...where he once again made the defense significantly better quickly.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I'm really worried about our FAs this off-season.
Obviously we will re-sign Brees (if we don’t…mother of god….), Nicks, and possibly Colston. But we could easily be looking at Porter and Meachem being gone. It’s not gonna be very fun.
It begins
recouping, rebuilding, restructuring. its going to be a long offseason
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You wiped the floor with victory, then puked until you fell asleep - Flogging Molly
by cockynessIsWHODAT on Jan 15, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Things to look forward to
1. Greg Romeus should be healthy next season. We’ll get to see what he can do. Dude was a 1st round talent taken in the 7th round due to injury.
2. Martez Wilson came on strong towards the end of the season. He’s got starter potential.
3. Ingramania will be back
4. A full off-season can’t hurt. OTA’s and mini camps can only help.
Gotta start looking ahead, stop looking back
Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!
Love your post
I feel better already..love Martez Wilson
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
by BenDerDonDat on Jan 15, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
wonder if Saints would have had 4 RBs active last night if Ingram was healthy
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
b/c that's something they did not do in the reg. season
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
just idle musing
wondering if Ingram had played would that game have turned out differently
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 15, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Spot on M-E, u saw what I saw
- Thick Beer and Sweet Rum, we ain’t 20 anymore. LOL
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
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You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
good points M-E
thanks for sharing them
I saw one TUSK!! running play off to the left where the area between Tackle and Guard was clogged, and he tried to bust through it, and the split second before he cut right into the wall of bodies, I noticed that the edge was sealed and I screamed, “turn it out-” I couldn’t even get the whole word “outside” out before he was stuffed and the play was over.
The whole closing window, elevator door, or whatever metaphor you picture is HUGE – this team has been good for 3 years, and may have used up all the time with this nucleus…we’ll see – they hit offseason veteran player acquisition gold in 2008-9 (Vilma, Greer, Sharper), and then whiffed the last two years, so are they due for a good 2012?
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
how crazy- our RBs had I think 6 fumbles all year
and 2 yesterday. I hate the 3 man rush- that’s what happened last play of the game. Still though, Harper should have been 2 feet up closer and he could have made the play. Even Pass Interference would have been better.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
You stop that pass
No matter what, you stop that pass. If you have to grab the guy and throw him to the ground, you stop that pass. Sure they throw the flag, but what do they do? Kick for the tie or risk it on the win? Time was expieing, you throw the guy to the ground and save the game.
by Saintsfan75 on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, and what about the OPI they called on the Niners
but then it looked like they didn’t even mark off any yards?
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
that makes sense
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
If this question is taken the wrong way I apologize
I don’t mean any offense just wanted the opinion from Saints fans
As you may know, there were zero penalties called on the Saints yesterday. My question is, do you believe the Saints committed no penalties for the entire game?
Thanks for your thoughts.
If some of your members are going to troll us on our forum, don’t expect [us] to hold themselves to a higher standard. If you don’t like what we are saying, its not your forum to go ahead and correct us as a guest.
by Shoes31 on Jan 10, 2012
some borderline incidents were overlooked, for both teams. But I don't remember anything blatant.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
refs let them play
very physical game, stuff was let go on both sides. I do remember at least one time that Bushrod dragged someone down and didn’t get flagged. I also remember a few times I though the hers committed PI and it wasn’t called. All in all, I’d say the officiating was even.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
I think you can say that, BUT letting them play definitely worked in the favor of the 49ers. Especially when you look at the way our offense is constructed. If they can have PI and contact downfield (when they call it all season) then it clearly was beneficial for SF. Did anybody notice that on one of the INTs, the defensive back clearly had a hand on the back of the WR and pushed him to maintain balance and jump to make the INT?
Yeah, the 49ers came out and took it and played how the refs let them play, but it clearly worked towards the favor of how they play.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 16, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions
i would agree to a point
it benefitted them because:
A) PT got hurt and we abandoned the run. I think our OL is pretty physical and I would have liked to see that matchup play out with PT in there. I think he skill set was better suited to that game.
B) Our defense isn’t physical. They like to think they are, but aren’t.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
plus, Niners were only flagged 3 times?
they let a LOT go in that game, and I have no doubt the Saints and Niners both committed more penalties than they actually whistled
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 15, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
They were flagged for a blck in the back, on the punt fumble recovery
We declined obviously since it happened before the fumble
Roll Shaw
Follow @Geniespool
I saw plenty of what are technically holds by the Saints O-line
Which could have been called, but I have little issue with how the refs handled it. Better to stay out of the way and let the players play unless it’s blantant or risks injury.
Mostly I think it was a clean, well fought game on both sides.
by ColoradoNiner on Jan 15, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
if anyone wants to keep their minds busy so as to not dwell on the pain
I think it would be very interesting to compare our DEs or even our front four as far as pass rushing stats or pass rushing ability , to the other 11 playoff teams or even the playoff teams and then the next 10 pass rushing teams. I think we are at the bottom of that heap.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
if I were Sean Payton, I’d be massively pissed off right now.
Oh, you betcha. Did you see his face as last few seconds ticked off? I’ll bet he was thinking that you can’t let the only explosive receiver on the other team beat you in that situation. Twice.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Is Spags some sort of elf?
Payton looks huge next to him
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
by SaintBevo on Jan 15, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I went to Lowe's to fix the hole I put in the wall during the game
and there was this line of dudes all waiting to buy the same thing… lol
yeah, and I bet you all had scraped up knuckles...
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 15, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hey y'all.
I figured i would let all emotions cool off slightly before i headed over here. I just wanted to say the Saints played a great, great game. That offense…whew…good as advertised. I loved how the refs let both teams play. Best game of the year, in my opinion, and the Niners have been in down to the wire games all year long. It’ll be an instant classic, I am just happy my team came out on top. It was the of the best final 6 minutes of football I’ve ever seen, and i’ll admit, my heart dropped when Graham caught that TD pass. I was really worried when Alex scored the rushing td, because Brees had two time outs, the two minute warning, and one of the best offenses in History! Turns out, he made the same mistake Alex made and scored too quickly.
I’ve always been an Alex fan, and i always thought it was the fact he had no help. He had no support from coaches (See: Nolan questioning his toughness because he didn’t go back into the game with a grade 3 seperated shoulder, or Singletary shouting him down and benching him after a bad play) or fans (See fans booing him at home, and chanting WE WANT CARR!…Carr for Smith, no thank you! Now that he has a great head coach, and a system for more than 2 years, i think there is nowhere to go but up.
Sorry, didn’t mean to come rant about Smith…especially to a team that has one of the best quarterbacks to ever play,
Great game guys, and both your players and fans are as classy as you can be. Stay classy, Louisiana, and you’ll get your revenge game in the Mercedes Benz Dome next year. Good luck for both your teams, and your persons.
Niner. Fan.
Sufficiently advanced sarcasm is indistinguishable from being an @$$hole.
by So. Cal. Niner. Fan. on Jan 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST reply actions
Short list Candidates for DC
1. Steve Spagnoulo
2. Mike Nolan
3. Wade Phillips
Nolan and Phillips would bring the 3-4, something I think would really help our defense, with the talent we have. Spagnuolo could hopefully bring some stability to the defense, and put a scheme in place to stop giving up so many godamn yards.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
You forgot one...
Jack Del Rio! Perfect for NOLA!
Member of the WHO DAT NATION!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!
by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 15, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
After the way Jack Del Rio peed on the bodies in Jacksonville, I doubt that he’ll have an NFL job this year. He’ll get paid $5M to try on new leather sportcoats all next year. He lacks character. And taste.
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No.
Definitely not.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
I’d take Wade Phillips in a heartbeat…look at what he did in Houston.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 16, 2012 7:23 AM CST up reply actions
Wikipedia:
In early 2009 Mike Nolan became the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos under Josh McDaniels. With a new 3-4 defense the Denver Broncos gave up the fewest points in the NFL (66) during the first six games of the season, and made their way to their first 6–0 start since the 1998 season in which they won Super Bowl XXXIII. The Broncos went 2 and 8 the rest of the way, and missed the playoffs. On January 18, 2010 Mike Nolan and Josh McDaniels mutually decided Nolan would resign as the defensive coordinator of the Denver Broncos.1
This is going to be my only comment for a while
So devastated to lose this way and squander the best Saints team ever, one of the greatest offenses of all time.
Completely agree with M-E that this was the most painful loss in Saints history. Despite all the turnovers we had the game won. Breesus pulled a rabbit out of his ass twice only to see the defense completely choke. No excuse for big blitzing with under a minute to go allowing for a big play instead of just playing coverage. I kept seeing jimmy’s amazing score immediately followed by vernon Davis inexcusable big play over and over again in my fitful sleep last night. I imagine it’s going to haunt me for a long time.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 15, 2012 7:14 PM CST via mobile reply actions
we only rushed 3 on Vernon Davis winning TD. That tells me
that blitzing (ala Davis 47 yd reception to put SF into FG position with only minutes/eseconds left was a problem: and also the last play where we rushed 3, played zone, and Alex Smith threaded a pass past Shanle and in front of Harper – at the goal line where Harper put on a monster hit and Davis held on)- well it was meant to be. GW did everything he could – blitz, coverage, zone/man what we needed was a pass rush. A pass rush whereand KNEW they were NOT going to run the ball so they should have done better but thy were tired and it was our weakness.. WE have no pass rush. That’s not Harper’s fault or Jenkins fault. It’s Payloos fault thinking Romeus / Jordan were going to give us sacks. If not them, who?
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
no need to demonize GW but
putting their only explosive receiver in 1 on 1 coverage and giving him a free release has a big mistake.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
I also question why Harper is going for the big hit in the end zone rather than making a play on the ball.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 15, 2012 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why not just commit PI? Then make them take the FG and force OT.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 16, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly. Just don’t let them make the catch. Situational football.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 16, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
then you might question why water is wet
Roman Harper is king of “watch me lay the big hit” instead of going for the ball or making a clean tackle (Jenkins is also guilty of this often), so of course that’s what he’d do in a clutch situation.
I’m still haunted by the whole left side of the field opening up for Alex Smith’s bootleg 28 yard TD run. He fakes the handoff (or does he? Now I can’t recall exactly – maybe he didn’t even do that.), and rolls out as the DB follows the guy in motion to the right, and the LBs who flooded that way and got sucked upfield are then vainly trying to get back to the left, but he’s already got them all beat…
that was a third and eight play, for cripes’ sake!!! Get the stop there and it’s Green Akers time again (I get allergic smelling HAY!!). That wasn’t even a blame-inducing blitz, just a GREAT play-call executed well against a defense keying on the run or quick pass…
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'm haunted by..
P rob (I think it was him) letting the ball land in his mid-section and not catching it because he was going to lay the wood.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
yeah he was diving in high for the hit and - -
WHOOPS!! what’s the ball doing there?
Having the ball is better than not having the ball. And if you punt,
not only does it mean you don't have the ball anymore—
it means you didn't score, which sucks.
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
semms to me 1) Shanle had Davis in front, Harper in Back and 2) Harper hit hard and put his arms.hand at point of reception to disrupt,
but this guy was a beast- kinda like Graham a few seconds earlier (against 2 defenders)
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
I had to stay away yesterday...
Didn’t want Dave to have to ban me. Hmmm, maybe a few others should have followed my example. Good write up for a one eyed fat drunk man MntEx.
Just want to comment on #6 …
6. I wonder if our window is closed. With so many free agents next year, including The Big One, I don’t see how there’s enough money to restock talent. And since most of the talent is on the offensive side, that means even less money for the defense…unless they want to allow the offense to deteriorate while they try to fix the defensive side.
It’s obvious we are going to lose some guys on Offense. The Salary cap almost guarantees it. I don’t think the window is closed however. Why? Well we will still have Drew Bressssss. Drew will make who ever is playing WR look better than they may actually be. The real danger would be letting Nicks go, IMHO, as we need to keep Drew’s protection in tack, at the very least, at the current level. Defensively, this may turn out to be another good year in the draft. Yes, we lost/gave up our 1st round pick, but it wouldn’t have been a high round pick anyway. We need major upgrades in the LBing core, as well as we need to draft a good NT.
Drew is the #1 priority signing in the off season, and we can get by with the tag on him if we have to. I would hope they can get a deal done there, and save the tag for either Colston or Nicks. Devery or Meacheam, and I’m leaning Meacham, would be expendable, to make some cap room. Porter, is also done, IMO. Vilma should be able to get healthy in the off season, and maybe some type of restructuring can be done there. Dunlap was a dependable replacement when he was down. PT’s contract doesn’t hurt us enough to make getting rid of him without some major compensation. I believe, most of his big money would be incentive based, and does not directly affect the cap, if I understand correctly.
So I don’t think the window is closed, however Loomis will have his work cut out for him in the off season.
Guess I’d better stop here or should just do a separate post.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions
you're just saying...
and I’m just kidding, Clayton…smiles
"We live by the blitz, and we die by the blitz.'' - Roman Harper
"So I guess the blitz died.'' - Alex Smith
by Hans Petersen on Jan 16, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Amazingly rational and well written
Nice to know somebody can keep their head and still think.
I am amazed at the restraint of this site. Why I didn’t get blocked I’ll never know…
I’d love to stick around and discuss, I just can’t thrash through the off-season flotsam.
Next year…
WHODAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My Freudian slip
I told my daughter when Graham scored that he “Scored too quickly”. I was telling her that we were not out of the game and had the ability to score quickly, but then that slip came out my mouth.
SP: "No, No, No. I said 'Let's all take it to the Vikes again' not' Let's all take 2 Vicoden!'"

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