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New Orleans Saints Offensive Players Grades @ 49ers

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Reviewing this game one last time is truly painful but I feel it is my duty to close out by grading every game, true to form.

I will say the Saints, to me, lost this game on coaching. I think, offensively, the run to pass ratio was absurd. The Saints looked like the Lions a week ago offensively. I realize the 49ers are outstanding in run defense but the Saints never really even tried to attack them. Even down 17-0, the Saints got back in the game and the entire second half was close. 63 passes to 14 rushes is inexcusable in any football game, ever. We'll talk more about the defensive side of the ball when I grade that unit, but leaving Malcolm Jenkins on an island in single coverage against Vernon Davis was also insane.

In the end, I blame the coaches for this more than the players. Both Payton and Williams, the masterminds, had very bad days at the office. That doesn't mean the players won't get bad grades - some of them will - but I'd like to underline that they weren't put in a position to succeed. Particularly the safeties in pass defense and the offensive line.

Below are the player grades for the final time this season. Remember, the GPA's are for the playoffs only (so two games combined).

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Drew Brees: B (3.33) He was 40 of 63 (!!!) for 462 yards, 4 touchdowns, 2 interceptions and one carry for 5 yards. He was hit 11 times (!!!) which by far more than he's suffered all season. Sean Payton really set him up to take a beating with the play calling. He was also sacked 3 times. You have to give Brees credit, for throwing 63 times he did the best he could. Still, he was way too risky on a number of throws. The first pick in particular was a bad mistake and it could have been even more costly if the defense didn't get a huge stop at the time. Still, I feel like Brees played well overall. It would have been tough for him to do much better but I would have liked to see him protect the football better.

Pierre Thomas: D (2.67) He had one catch for 5 yards and a carry for 6 yards. Unfortunately, on that reception he fumbled the ball on the 49ers' one yard line and he never saw the game again. I firmly believe if he scores there, the Saints win the game. Brutal grade for a guy who barely played and got hurt badly with a concussion, but that fumble was a gamechanger.

Darren Sproles: B- (3.17) He was atrocious on kick returns. On almost every return he was pinned well inside the 20. He also had a back breaking fumble deep in Saints territory on a punt return. For his special teams work, he deserves an F. On offense, he was huge in the passing game. He was Brees' safety valve and the one option he could always count on. He caught an NFL record 15 passes in the playoffs and those went for 119 yards, including a huge touchdown late. He also had 3 carries for 3 yards. A great as Sproles is the one weakness that we all know by now is he is completely incapable of breaking a tackle. Still, he's been a great addition and a consistently solid performer all season. I'd love to see him relieved of return duties by a better special teamer next year.

Chris Ivory: C- (2.17) He had 9 carries for 23 yards. He never really had a true shot to get going, but what I haven't liked about him is when the line collapses, he doesn't settle for the no gainer and sometimes tries to bounce it outside and loses 3-4 yards instead. In this game it was maximized when that happened because the Saints struggled on 3rd and long. A fairly poor job running the ball.

Jed Collins: C (3.00) He got no push when he was in and did a disappointing job blocking. He didn't really get enough reps to be fully criticized, though. He did contribute a reception for 8 yards and a first down.

Marques Colston: A- (3.50) He had a monstrous 9 catch for 136 yard performance with 1 touchdown performance. On a day where so many Saint players were screwing up, Colston stepped up huge. Still, he had one drop that cost the team 4 points. Right before John Kasay's lone field goal, he dropped a pass in the end zone that he should have had. Anticipating the hit, he gave a little bit of the ol' alligator arms. Too bad. Another play that could have made the difference. On his touchdown he did a fantastic job of keeping his feet in and in general he hurt the 49ers downfield all day long. If this is his last game as a Saint he went out with a bang. I really hope it's not.

Devery Henderson: B- (3.00) He still catches with his body instead of his hands, which isn't ideal, but he contributed with a fairly solid performance. He had 4 catches for 49 yards, most of which helped the Saints get big first downs. He's become a decent possession receiver, but he doesn't get open enough.

Robert Meachem: D (2.33) He finished with 3 catches for 18 yards in what was a pathetic contribution considering the Saints passed 63 times. Despite Lance Moore's absence he didn't make much of increased opportunity. Once again, he gingerly went out of bounds at least twice early to avoid getting hit. I'm sorry, but I have to wonder if this guy is fit for the NFL. He's clearly terrified of contact so I just don't see how he can be playing this sport. His contract is up and it's time to part ways.

Adrian Arrington: D+ (1.67) Surprisingly he got some opportunities and he just didn't take advantage. He had one catch for 14 yards despite being targeted 6 times. He was out-muscled underneath, ran poor routes, didn't secure the ball well and wasn't trusted by Brees. His lone catch was a big third and long conversion, so give him that, but otherwise I think the honyemoon phase needs to end with Arrington. I like the idea of Colston, Henderson and Moore sticking around, but otherwise I think it's time to get a fresh set of receivers on the roster.

Jimmy Graham: A- (3.50) Like Colston, there was a scary drop where he almost flipped the ball to Patrick Willis. He had another tough drop early down the sideline. When the play broke down and times and Brees went out of the pocket I also noticed Graham would give up on his route and not try to give Brees a new target. He's definitely a little lazy at times. Besides that his chips blocking were actually pretty good and he helped the anemic offensive line. He finished with 5 catches for 103 yards and 2 touchdowns. Both touchdowns were amazing, but none was bigger than the final touchdown which would have gone down as one of the biggest plays in team history if the Saints had won. He's only going to get better next year, he just needs to keep his focus and concentration. I think he so ridiculously good he has lapses in focus at times. That'll be the key to him getting to the next level. And yes, I believe there is a next level for this guy.

Michael Higgins: C (1.84) He played a good bit due to Graham being banged up and the Saints only having two tight ends. He had just one catch for 10 yards. His blocking was average at best. It'll be interesting to see if the Saints count on David Thomas coming back healthy next year or if they make an extra effort to grab depth at tight end behind Graham.

Jermon Bushrod: D (2.34) A sad and sorry performance by Bushrod, who was beaten consistently like a drum all game long. At one point, the 49ers rushed 2 and dropped everyone else into coverage, and Justin Smith bull rushed him into Drew Brees and got a knockdown and forced the incompletion. Bushrod was completely manhandled that way often. Despite getting help, he just wasn't up to the task. He struggled mightily with Aldon Smith especially, who was just too fast for him. He was responsible for a great deal of the disruption and was very poor blocking Brees' blindside. A game to forget for the "Pro Bowl" left tackle.

Carl Nicks: C+ (3.17) The best lineman on the day for the Saints, I guess. The Saints never ran, so he didn't get chance to show off his mean streak on the interior. One thing I noticed was the 49ers were able to do what no other team has: get pressure on the edge to force Brees to step up in the pocket, then cause disruption and congestion in the middle to really hurt Brees. Brees just wasn't able to step into a clean pocket.

Brian De La Puente: D (2.17) Like Bushrod he struggled mightily. Particularly with the audibles and 49ers' position shuffle, you could just sense his head was really swimming out there. At times he just looked lost. In the 4th quarter, Brees was taking a lot of time pre-snap directing the line shifts and audibles because it was clear De La Puente was in over his head. Who knows if the he's the long term answer or not. Over the course of the year he was a pleasant surprise, and this will definitely be a valuable experience for him, but we'll have to see if he can last as a long term starter.

Jahri Evans: C- (2.33) Normally pass blocking is his greatest strength, but Justin Smith abused him repeatedly. A disappointing showing for the Saints' superstar guard.

Zach Strief: D+ (1.67) Strief was by far the biggest pleasant surprise this year at right tackle, and he was also the most disappointing offensive lineman in the playoffs. Go figure. The few times the Saints ran they tried to go to his side and he just got no push at all. It didn't help that De La Puente sealed backside pressure on those runs horribly. In pass protection he got beat fairly often despite having lots of help.

Pat McQuistan: C- (2.50) He came in as an extra pass blocker mostly. He did not contribute anything notable and struggled to seal the edge.

My Offensive Player of the Game: Jimmy Graham

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Jimmy Graham
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Marques Colston
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You gave Drew a B when he threw 2 picks
You gave Sproles a B when he fumbled
You give PT a D when he cant hold on to a ball when he gets knocked out on a helmet to helmet hit
I usually agree with you on these grades but I would have given all 3 no better then a C

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 AM CST reply actions  

I agree...

I’m fine with Drew’s B, but if Sproles gets an F for Special Teams and an A for offense, then that’s a C overall. And I’d give PT an incomplete. Him getting knocked out just isn’t his fault.

I also agree if he scores there, NFCCG is in NOLA.

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by Hollywoo! on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You just lost all credibility my dude...

Drewseph deserves an A+. Scored 32 points against the arguably the best D in the league, outdoors, on the road, with a fuble on the 1, and 2 complete possessions handed away. THEN gave his team TWO chances to win (in the clutch). Yes he made a bad pass on the first pick (my bad…he didn’t throw it 63 times…every pass should be perfect) and the second pick was on third and long and he was taking a shot. Just like a punt. Didn’t hurt em. The offense marched up and down the field just like they had all season long.

You think he gets a C for that? Wow…really bro?…

by BreezyBush on Jan 17, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.
In fact I’d argue Brees is above being graded. He’s the godd*** professor.
Like I said before, he giveth and he taketh away. He works in mysterious ways. But we are not fit to gather the crumbs under his table and all that. Who are we to judge?

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 17, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Wrong I dont see Brees through rose colored glasses

Besides the 2 picks he held onto the ball too long too many times causing sacks
I think at times he looked lost and confused he threw those 2 picks forcing something that wasn’t there
I’m not saying he’s not a great QB he just wasn’t one this game
As far as your opinion of crediabilty goes
Your opinion and 5 bucks will buy me a starbucks coffee

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Can’t blame him for holding on to the ball too long when nobody gets open downfield. I would have given him a B to a B-. Nothing wrong with that.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I have brought this up in other threads, do to the rush and if they wanted to only throw it, payton should have been calling shorter routes, slants, screens, hooks, quick outs etc…Brees lived in a rush that game was sacked 3 times and knocked down all over the place. The only other solution, besides running tusk, was if brees just started running himself and hopefully sliding.

The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson

by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Smh....

What kind do you need then? They got TVs in Mississippi? Did you watch the game? “Lost and confused”?? Dang…if Drew was lost and confused and put up 462 and 4 TDs against the best D in the league…we better start getting prepared for 6,000 yards next year. The best you can come up with is…“he held onto the ball too long”.

Wow…Really bro…??

Drew made every big time pass when it had to be made. He…“putdateamonhisbackdough”…just too bad ole Gregg took his legs out from under him while he was doing it.

by BreezyBush on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea do they have TV's where you live

The replay is on tonight on NFL network I suggest you rewatch the game objectively

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that.

He looked frustrated more than anything…I mean come on…there were times he had 3, 4, 5 seconds to pass the ball….and nobody was ever open. He played well under the circumstances, especially in the second half. A decent game…not great…but good enough I can’t complain.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I still think Drew is a great QB just not this game

And I give all the credit to the 49ers D
They were tough Extremely hard hitting and disciplined most the game
The kind of thing I wish we had

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 17, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember this one play, where he had almost 10 seconds since they only rushed like 2 or 3.

And Brees was still looking for somebody open. Sigh. Really wish we had Lance Moore for that game.

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I will say this

He played as well as anybody has against the 49ers defense. It’s a pretty special unit, as we’ve not been shy about saying for the last month or two.

I just wanted to drop by, and say good game, and that I appreciated talking with (nearly) all of you prior to the game, and that I am sure the Saints will be back in the hunt. Their defensive problems are fixable, and that offense is scary good.

I though Brees looked especially good considering he was going against seven defenders most of the time, as we don’t tend to rush more than 4 dudes. You guys have a great QB- don’t make the mistake SF did during the Steve Young era by focusing more on who he isn’t than who he is.

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by lottwasgangsta on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He has legit gripes.

Brees wasn’t Brees on saturday. The play of those around him didn’t help, but I’ve seen him do better in worse conditions.

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Your right...

Brees wasn’t Brees that game. He didn’t lead his team back to TWO 4th quarter leads after they spotted the Niners 17. He didn’t have 2 of the most clutch drives of his career down the stretch….when it counted most…you know…when real winners step up and TAKE OVER the game. He didn’t throw a dime to Jimmy. He didn’t have the biggest passing day against that defense all year… He just wasn’t himself. What can I say…he just wasn’t good.

Better in worse conditions huh? Please share.

by BreezyBush on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Brees was pretty unbelievable this game. first int was AA over running the route. Second was a stretch and most def his fault. Other than that, he was nothing short of amazing, especially with the SF rush on his ase

The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson

by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

First was his fault, he overthrew it.

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

the 49ers played nearly perfect zone coverage. on practically everly play, brees had to throw a perfect pass.

by balaramesh on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, but I still think he was good enough late game to get a B.

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

^THIS. Hells yes.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I gotta say

I agree with this. The offensice imbalance was there, sure, but the run game wasn’t. But but but but but…….it worked. With five (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) turnovers, our offense did EVERYTHING they needed to do to win it. Imbalance didn’t lose the game, poor defensive play did. And no, I don’t give them credit for the first 56 minutes of the game. SF was up 17, they held back so they wouldn’t lose the ball.

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by cajuncreation on Jan 17, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree with your Stenuous disagreement

I believe the playcalling was just what is should have been. You just can’t run against this team, so you run few times to keep them honest. We lost this game because GW was inexplicably blitzing with 90 seconds left in the game. Let them nickel and dime down the field and burn up clock. At worst they get a field goal and we head to OT!

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by Saint for life on Jan 17, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

so you run few times to keep them honest.

This will not keep a defense honest. If you’re passing 80 percent of the time where’s the honesty that I need to have when you’re passing so much. I pretty much know you’re going to pass except for on first downs or when it’s 2 and short.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this, but...

only because PT was knocked out of the game. I think PT’s running style was most likely to be effective against SF and to open up opportunities for the other two backs. Not to mention, PT was the one back who didn’t really tip our hand pre-snap, as Ivory rarely checks in for passing plays and vice-versa with Sproles.

by sammasaaron on Jan 17, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

you have to remember that offensive balance for the saints is short passing game and long passing game. Payton will bench the run game on stout D lines, he did it in the first game against ATL. I’ll have to re-check the stats and look at 2nd half passing statistics but from watching the game, it seemed that payton was calling too many slow developing plays and thus causing brees to get a face full of SF pass rush.

The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson

by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

This

"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson

by CrazyforColston on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Without balance, the Saints lose more than 50% of the time. Not 50/50 balance. 70/30 or even (gasp)65/35 does the trick for them. They are a pass-first offense, no getting around it. But if Brees doesn’t have a near-perfect day, they lose nine out of ten. If he DOES have a perfect day, they lose four or five out of ten.
Saturday was an extreme example, but the offensive playcalling became entirely one-dimensional as soon as PT’s head hit the turf. Whenever Ivory came in, he ran. Otherwise, they passed. It made Brees’ QBR and efficiency terrible, it made the O-line’s already tough task basically impossible, and it made a clearly outmatched 49ers team the winner.
For a larger and more helpful sample size, refer to the ‘07 and ’08 seasons, compared to ’06 and ’09. There were plenty of heroic and amazing performances those years, but about 50% of the time, they weren’t enough. When the Saints couldn’t control the game on offense, the defense’s many weaknesses became magnified. Okay QB’s and Z receivers had game-clinching last minute successes, and brilliant 40-second drives by Brees & co. to take the lead in the fourth were wasted because 2 minutes were left on the clock.
These Saints don’t need CJ2K or Pocket Hercules to win, but they do need a running threat. When they threw that out the window midway through the first against San Fran, the rest of the game was almost inevitable. It was burned into my retinas from recent history. High-flying melodrama to stay in it and almost win, sack-punching heartbreak in the end as mediocre players become local legends, courtesy of the Saints’ patented “two-minute defense”. Payton’s Saints wrote that script, starting in January of ’07 in Chicago, and they decided to give it another go on Saturday. After that decision was made, the game bacame a coin-flip that, more often than not, they lose.

"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis

by FuSoYa on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

the run-vs-pass faction strikes again..

i thought you were an ancient wise man..
it was obvious to me that payton wanted to get back into the game as quick as possible & tie it or grab a lead.. the longer the SF lead would linger the worse the chances get, late.. when fatigue sets in, surprise plays or even a bad call..
the attempts to run were few but enough to get the play action..
also, the run atempts were contributing to put us in 3rd and long.. which was very good news for this niner passrushing defense..
we had to go get back in the game.. that’s how you play in the pros.. when you have the passing game to back it up.. now when you don’t you just keep on running until you are losing by 30..

by the 9th plague on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

After the Civil War, someone asked General Pickett why the Battle of Gettysburg had been lost: Was it Lee’s error in taking the offensive, the tardiness of Ewell and Early, or Longstreet’s hesitation in attacking? Pickett scratched his head and replied, “I’ve always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.”

The Saints didn’t give up on the run: the 49ers stopped it cold. So Payton and Brees took what they could get, and it worked.

If any of you guys had been calling the game, you would have stuck with the run and we would have lost 42-3.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

At least
we would have lost 42-3.

We would have put up more points than the Falcons.

Agreed. The 49ers have the best rush D for a reason and they proved it.

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by Grumps on Jan 17, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

For the record, it didn’t work. And the run didn’t contribute much to the 3rd-and-long troubles, because there weren’t enough of them to contribute much. When they did run, they telegraphed it about as much as a team could.
The offense moved methodically for one drive. Then, they sputtered under the weight of a great defense that never had to guess the coming play. The only success they enjoyed on offense was in their unparalleled two-minute offense. But the other 56 minutes were a great offense that chose to hogtie itself with predictability and panic because things went bad for the first ten minutes. Breed was playing against 8 man coverage all day, but they only ran out of jumbo sets with a RB who would come in for one play, then leave again. They set themselves up for more difficulty than necessary. Despite that, they kept close, because Brees is having a great year/career with the Saints, and he is capable of playing that game. But he can’t win more than half of that kind of game. Not because he’s not great. Because the deck was stacked against him. As the replier above noted, this is the pros. The college spread doesn’t win in the pros. Just like Tebow’s option doesn’t win, and Sparano’s wildcat doesn’t win. Pro offenses that succeed in the postseason have complete pro offenses.

"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis

by FuSoYa on Jan 17, 2012 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'll type this slowly

It. Did. Work.

We took the lead in the late 4th quarter. Twice. Our offense, as it was called and executed, was good enough to win the game against the best defense in the league playing in their own stadium. It was our defense that lost the game.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Jan 17, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

All three phases lost it! Offense gave the ball up three times! They failed to score in two quarters! ST gave the ball up twice, and did nothing positive other than produce 3 points. Defense played lights out for 45 minutes, and played like a turnstile for 15, generating a roughly average performance by their standards. The defense did the last stupid thing, but that doesn’t erase all the other stupidity before. The Saints almost won, despite a host of massive failures. That’s a testament to how great the team was. The fact that they lost is a testament to how much they failed on this particular night. That failure can be shared by all coaching and position groups in this particular instance, in my opinion.

"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis

by FuSoYa on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It worked for what the situation called for but PERHAPS it wouldn’t have even been necessary if balance was implemented from the jump and maybe the Saints would still be in the playoffs. If. It. Worked. then the Saints should’ve been able to outscore the Niners. The opportunities were there but Brees through 2 picks, don’t forget that. Not only that, there were some 3 and outs. Just because it kept the game close and even allowed the team to take the lead at one point doesn’t mean it worked. It’s very possible Brees could’ve had less passing yards but also LESS INTERCEPTIONS if the run game was really a part of the game. Sorry, but if you live by the pass, you die by it. Football is strategic and their needs to be more uncertainty from your opponent, when you pass 80% of a game because “your a passing team” then you become predictable and you are required to be perfect in order for it to be successful and against an opponent that is as smash mouth as the Niners, that aint gonna fly. Is this debatable? Sure but the numbers don’t lie, 09 was won because there was way more balance. Now, having said all that, I’m aware of the fact that the defense needed to perform but here’s something I haven’t heard yet: How can you expect a defense to perform well when your passing as much as the Saints do and thus putting your defense back on the field faster? I understand the TOP and etc., in the game but a lot of that is back and forth 3 and outing. Just saying.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

*threw

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

there*

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I want to take this comment out back and have a whole bunch of little comments with it.

Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC

by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Another thing this one on Colston

I believe he short armed the pass for the TD
I believe he heard foot steps I have noticed that out of him lately like he’s trying to make sure he doesnt get hurt before he is a free agent

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 17, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

After the season Colston gave us.

I usually try not to be a blind Colston homer because I know I feel an attachment to him that isn’t about him being the best to ever play the game, but wow.

"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson

by CrazyforColston on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Re watch the play

And tell me he didnt see that defender coming right at him

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

the pass was not drew's best..

he likes to put those on a line so the ball gets there quick and to minimize the trajectory.. but in this particular case, as colston leaped to separate, the ball “ate him up” a little.. sort of, hit him right in his face mask.. certainly a catch he could have made but not worth crucifying him..
there were no alligator arms or footsteps.. this is a very consistent player that got up with a broken clavicle so not to lose the game on the final play at GB.. to infer he was scared of contact is ridiculous..

as a side note:
i will say that i disagree what your evaluation of bress’ play.. as well.. you don’t get to throw for 462 if you are confused..

and from the top.. i didn’t agree with hardly anything juge graded.. but i hardly ever do..

by the 9th plague on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

This
this is a very consistent player that got up with a broken clavicle so not to lose the game on the final play at GB

Never more "crazy’ for him. The ‘footsteps’ charge even for this game is not deserved, IMO.

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by CrazyforColston on Jan 17, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah I sport a #12 jersey for a reason. He may have seen the defender but I don’t think it was the hit he was worried about as much as it was a distraction.

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it was more Colston lost focus...

As a receiver there are times you expect a defender to tip a ball but the ball still comes to you and you’re not ready for it. Colston lost focus because he expected the defender to bat that or tip it.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

PT A D?!?!

The guy was knocked unconsious….how the hell was he supposed to hold on to the ball? If anything he deserves a honorary A for even getting up after that hit. It was so scary. Think about it our Offense on that first drive was rollin like a 18 wheeler before that hit then everything went down hill from there (as far as turnovers) and the offense still over came enough to take the lead TWICE in the 4th qtr. Defesnse played well from the 2nd half of the 2qtr on but their DC got full of himself, lost sight of the situation, and called the worst defensive schemes in the last 2min of the game which lost it for us plain & simple.

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by born in areacode 318 on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

This this this.

PT is a freakin beast. He shouldn’t have even been graded.

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by Jon Banks on Jan 17, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasts eat grades for lunch

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by Hans Petersen on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with most people that the PT grade of a D is flat out laughable.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 10:19 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, penalizing PT for being knocked unconscious seems a bit much. Speaking of which, while I understand why the hit was legal, it’s really frustrating to listen to all the talk about the danger of concussions and player safety for an entire year only to give up a fumble on the opponents’ 3 yard line in a big playoff game because our player was knocked unconscious on the play which also gave him a concussion. That one was hard to swallow.

by sammasaaron on Jan 17, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

You can’t take hitting completely out of the game…although they’ve tried. See what you hit…that is supposed to be the premise behind every single tackle you ever make. For some reason….that goes out the window when people hit college. No idea why.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

based on performance it’s not laughable. He had one carry for six yards and one catch for five with a fumble. Sounds like a crap day to me. It’s not andrews fault PT got a concussion, not PT’s either of course but I don’t think the grade would take into consideration the reason behind the fumble. That would be like an instant replay on every stat. One could argue that brees’ first int was due to AA over running the route, I definitely do, but you wouldn’t take that into consideration for brees score and what if brees is hurried into a bad throw due to O-line pass protection failure. Does the INT fall on Brees or the o-line? I think we could all agree that no matter the reasoning behind the turnover, it isn’t subjective and must be counted purely as a stat and not take into consideration how it happened.

Based purely on stats, PT doesn’t deserve better.

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

or as someone mentioned above, an incomplete for being taken out of the game due to injury.

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe he could get a note from the nuerologist to excuse him from this exam

we could let him take a make-up exam next January

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by Hans Petersen on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

nurologist?

neurologist?

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by Hans Petersen on Jan 17, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

my brain couldn’t spell it…

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by Hans Petersen on Jan 18, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You can’t base it on stats…he played one drive. So if you’re basing it on stats, extrapolate it based on what would have been. Which would have been no where close to a D. He got hurt and knocked out, not his fault. All you can do is base it on what he did while in the game…which was fairly decent. I won’t fault a player for fumbling while unconcious.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the same when this grading system....

….faults players that don’t get used or weren’t in the game plan even if available, played very litter. There’s no way to really fault the player or downgrade them as a result, this grading system does..

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by CrazyforColston on Jan 17, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

little not litter.

Why am I thinking about puppies?

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by CrazyforColston on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Cause they're tasty *nods*.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t really have a perfect response to this because I don’t know exactly what he bases his grading system on. But lets assume there is a control, or par, per position. If the player simply performs under that control, he would get a sub par grade, no matter if you played or not. In my experience you get above par grade for accurately doing above 70% of the work. PT did not and therefore, asterisk aside ont he concussion, The D grade fits. Think of it this way, you are in a group but no one calls you to do work on the project, it’s not your fault that you didn’t get called but you will still get an F or for those that prefer, Disqualification or Did not participate. All three of those pretty much mean the same thing to me.

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...

I found most of the other grades to be pretty close to spot on but I have a problem with giving a guy who got knocked out in the first drive a “D”…His stats prior to the injury were good…

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by cowhodat on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t fault him for fumbling while unconscious either but I don’t think you can put an asterisk there and say *dude was out cold, lets forgive this one. In this scenario Juge graded him on what transpired in the game. It’s either a grade him for what happened in the game or DQ due to medical reasons.

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.........

It’s like a test that you did not finish. Grade Incomplete!

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by CaddoCoonass on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Adrian Arington ran more than terrible routes they were abysmal, that first int was his fault no doubt, over ran the route. Lane would not have done that. THe o-line was awful, Brees lived in a rush, a lot of times it was only 4 man rush as well. To refute the people above me, we could have run on them. The last time we gave up on the run game was the 1st game against Atlanta and we almost lost that one. Should have run more to protect brees, even if they were 2-3 yard carries, at some point they play the pass or the o line actually gets a push and tusk breaks a big one. its the same with the passing game, defense doesn’t just let guys get open you have to continue to push the plan. And here’s the thing – if we would have tried to control the clock a bit more, there may be no time left after the JG score or hell maybe even the sproles score. Of course it still could have gone the other way but yeah, theres a reason why people preach clock management at the end of games.

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

**Lance, not Lane

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point we haven't talked enough about Arrington's poor routes leading to the interception

On the first one he had a step and a half on the defender had he kept running across the field. But, he got lazy on his route, misread the coverage and cut it up too much, allowing the defender to get under it.
Later he did the exact opposite. He had the defender beat deep down the seam, yet he again misread the defender and strayed across the field toward the defender. I can’t remember if this was picked and I refuse to rewatch the game. But it could have been a TD.
Dude can’t read coverage and runs lazy routes. Why is he in there? why not just put meachem and devery i at the same time. At least they know where they are supposed to be.

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by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I was yelling at the TV to put colston on those routes – per usual – but instead it kept being AA

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by WestBank on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Disagree with the starting point of the grades

If the Saints have to score 60 points against the best defense in the league on the road, to get an A, then I guess the grades make sense.

But they scored 32 points without any field position or meaningful takeaways by the defense, I don’t think they had a single offensive penalty, they gained nearly 500 yards of offense, they scored twice (TDs) under immense pressure late in the game, they made some fabulous catches…I mean, come on….I guess the Ravens and the Packers would have earned F minuses.

You are grading the Saints against their own curve. By any other measurement other than ball security (and two of those were special teams problems) the Saints were phenomenal.

Finally, worst case, PT should get an incomplete. I am not going to fault someone for fumbling when they get knocked unconscious.

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by BenDerDonDat on Jan 17, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

PT "d" is all wrong.

I also nearly chocked on my coffee at the notion Darren Sproiles shouldn’t have return duty in the future. I don’t think we got all the great field postion advantages we imagined with Sproiles per average, but there’s no one else that should have that duty on this team.

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by CrazyforColston on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

Knee jerk reactions based on losing. Sproles has been a very good return man for years.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Jan 17, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

sproles a great returner. he should not doing both kickoff and punt, though.

by balaramesh on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Questionable.

Who’s the person in your profile picture?

I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.

by Grumps on Jan 17, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, tough grading on meachum. i always tell folks he could be a number 1 receiver on most teams. but he did nothing vs the 49ers………….. moore would have had a field day in zone coverage

by balaramesh on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

Pierre Thomas deserves some respect

Giving Pierre a D when he almost got his head taken off and completely lost consciousness… that’s like being mad at John Kennedy for not finishing his term in office!

by HollywoodSaint on Jan 17, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

Plus Pierre has been LIGHTS OUT all season, NEVER shying away from contact and continually breaking tackles that would have laid most players out cold. Based on his previous play, you can reasonably conclude that it was humanly impossible for him to hold onto the ball there.

by HollywoodSaint on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Well he definitely finished the season “Lights Out”.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 18, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously?

We scored more on them than anybody else did all year. Let’s have some perspective here. While there were early offensive mistakes (and I wouldn’t call getting knocked unconscious a mistake), the defense lost us this game late. I’m not saying that the offense was guilt-free in the loss, but these offensive grades are a tad biased by the extreme distaste that we all had for the outcome.

by mattxlegend on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 AM CST reply actions  

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