Saints Need Defensive Architect in New Coordinator
by Dave Cariello on Jan 18, 2012 10:00 AM CST
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PrintPierre Thomas, Lance Moore, Marques Colston and Chris Ivory. What do they all have in common? They each entered the league as late round draft picks or undrafted free agents but beat the odds to become an integral part of the best offense in the league. They are perfect examples of the scrap-heap Saints team that Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton have brilliantly built together.
But again, those guys all play offense. How many players do the Saints have like that on defense? Jonathan Casillas and Jo-Lonn Dunbar were both signed as undrafted rookies, but do they really contribute to the defense as much as Colston, Thomas, Moore and Ivory do to this offense? I'd argue no. Players like Jabari Greer (undrafted) and Scott Shanle (7th round) are both crucial, but the Saints weren't responsible for discovering them first.
So if I wanted to make a broad, sweeping statement right now I might say the Saints just straight up kick butt at finding and developing long term offensive talent and depth yet suck balls when it comes to doing the same on defense. Until the team gets better at recognizing defensive aptitude, bringing in higher caliber talent on that side of the ball and creating more competition in training camp, they will forever be middling.
Enter: a new Saints defensive coordinator. I think most of us would agree this team needs a fresh perspective and a new scheme when it comes to this defense. You'll get that with a new coordinator and hopefully he'll also be able to maximize the talent already on the team. Which is great and all, but that can only go so far and last so long.
What this defense really needs is a master architect. A coordinator who can match Sean's and Mickey's offensive roster building prowess; who has a great eye for talent and always seems to find that diamond in the rough or make that sleeper draft pick. Just as there seems to be a never ending stream of quality wide receivers in training camp every year, I want the same to be true with linebackers. The ideal defensive coordinator will be able to build depth at every position, providing long term stability, instead of simply putting a patch on the problem areas.
Does Steve Spagnuolo meet these requirements? Does anyone? I have no idea. But whomever the Saints decide to hire for the job, he'd damn well better. Otherwise this big change won't be much of a change at all.
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It's not just about finding talent, but developing it too.
Good article. We definitely need to duplicate on D, what we already do on O.
Just wanted to add that we not only need to find good players, but also develop them after they get here. I kinda worry about Curtis Johnson (our WR coach) leaving … I’m sure he had a big part in developing Marques Colston, Lance Moore, Jimmy Graham, and even turning Devery Henderson from “stone-hands” into a respectable possession WR.
Great point
I think that too often people focus on finding talent and not fostering or building talent. I think that the Patriots (whom, to be fair, I loathe) have won more than 10 games a year for a decade straight and have made the playoffs 9 out of10 years (they missed them with 11 wins and had a nobody backup at QB) because they find people who can get better and who are undervalued.
You don’t make the most money just buying stock that’s already expensive, and you don’t make the most money just guessing at random. You make the real money identifying stocks that are undervalued or ready to surge. They have exciting new talent every year Mayo, McCourty, Hernandez, Gronkowski, Chung and that’s not even naming them all. When was the last time we had a rookie that made half the impact they did? Jimmy Graham’s the only one I can think of.
That’s because they really draft well and foster talent. We can do that on offense, but I think Gdub wasn’t doing any of that on D. He likes to make guys his whipping boy and treat them terribly like Johnny Patrick and Martez Wilson this year and Patrick Robinson last year. It’s ridiculous that they didn’t play better than they did.
I’m hoping for Spagnuolo. I really am, he turned the Giants D into the fiercest pass rush in a decade and the pass rush has been good (not great) in St. Louis with nothing talent. I want to see what he can do with our D. We need another turnover and sack per game and we’ll be dominant.
by GnomeChumpsky on Jan 18, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
point of order...
So if I wanted to make a broad, sweeping statement right now I might say the Saints just straight up kick butt at finding and developing long term offensive talentand depth yet suck balls when it comes to doing the same on defense.
Maybe, just maybe, these offensive finds are so good because we have the Best….Most Valuable QB in the league.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 AM CST reply actions
That's part of it
Payton’s system all but guarantees open receivers, and Drew finds them. So what we need in receivers is guys who can catch reliably, who run precise routes. They don’t need to be all-pros, because the system works so long as it’s staffed by players who have the fundamentals down.
Our defense needs the same thing. Right now, I can’t say our defensive players are particularly good at anything.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
I don't know...
I’d say our defense would be one of the best offenses in the league!
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
I think the problem
has actually been Gregg Williams’ attitude toward scheme over players. I know he likes pressure—so do I—but I’d rather see a commitment to building up talent on the roster, rather than following any particular defensive “philosophy.” Players who play hard, stay focused, play their gaps, tackle…I think that’s more important, in the long run, than adherence to any particular philosophy as “better” than the others.
Put another way: I think our tactics failed due to an overemphasis on strategy. What’s the purpose practicing 99 different blitzes if they can’t shed their blockers?
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
by MtnExile on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
this
What’s the purpose practicing 99 different blitzes if they can’t shed their blockers?
"As a Saint fan I watch ‘Gone with the Wind’ just to watch Atlanta burn" -Ralph Malbrough
by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I love your comments.
Please, keep making them.
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
G-Dub
I got 99 problems and a blitz ain’t one. hit me.
by GnomeChumpsky on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Good article Dave
Frankly, I would be happy with an architect who understood that the Saints score enough to win most games as long as the defense makes the occasional stop or creates the occasional turnover. We don’t need theatrics, just solid fundamentals. And please, no more cult of the individual coach. For a while, I was going to name Coach Williams America’s Kim Jung Il. Some teams need to win with defense…others just need to have the defense not lose the game. The Saints fall in the latter category.
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
Here here!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
by Saint for life on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe Papa Ryan will come out of retirement for us!
KIDDING! I think the problem with us was that we didn’t have the type of personnel to run GW’s system to it’s fullest. For GW’s system to really work you need LBers that can blitz first and then blitz second and then drop into coverage (fake) and then blitz third and we all know tht LBer is our weakest link!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
by Saint for life on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions
Agree..
But remembering Bum Phillips great quote about Don Shula “He could take his players and beat yours, or your players and beat his”, I prefer a coach that runs the defense that best suits the personnel available. Williams seemed at the end to be a one (maybe 1 and 1/2) trick pony, and like Pickett’s charge, he was going to take the hill or die trying. You might ask Pickett’s widow how that turned out.
"I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it." Groucho Marx
by BenDerDonDat on Jan 18, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Bum Phillips great quote about Don Shula "He could take his players and beat yours, or your players and beat his"
It has been a great debate whether he was talking about Alabama’s famous Bear Bryant or Don Shula. Some say he was talking about both.
if you want someone to stick around for a long time
Spas probably isn’t it. If he’s good here, I’ll bet he’ll set himself up for a HC job. I think the best case scenario there would be to have him with a staff and hopefully groom a successor.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
by SaintBevo on Jan 18, 2012 11:34 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Only needs to stick around for the rest of Brees’ highlight years. Call it 3-4 tops…the window is sadly closing, hence the urgency.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
/scoops punch
Hey, who put a turd in here!?
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
Be careful, he’s 6’5"
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
so who put the BIG turn in here?
--- I don't miss the alcohol as much as I miss having the built in reason on why I'm nekkid in public.
--- I used to want to be an inspiration to my son. now i just hope to be a dire warning.
--- just two men and a dog making candles
--- I know i'll win my battles though i fear we'll lose the war
--- if you find yourself in a fair fight you failed in planning.
I don't get it...at the end of 4 years Brees will be 37. Name a QB who didn't ponder retirement at around that age? If you don't start thinking ahead...you wind up like the Colts. Nobody here wants that.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Actually
…again, I’m with Jeff. And not because he’s bigger than me. We’ve talked about the Saints’ “window” before, and this is what it means: get this done before Drew Brees moves on to TV or politics. Maybe, if God loves us as much as we think He does, Chase Daniel will be Young to Brees’ Montana…but it doesn’t pay to count on that. We gotta get this done NOW.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
i have thought about this for a while.. i have discussed it with..
my director of prognostications..
teams often take on the personality of their head coach.. more so evident in a team like the saints, where payton is the architect of the offense.. his say weighs more..
you ever wondered why teams like baltimore or pittsburg seem to find talent on defense..?
i think also, even though payton may have come to understand to a point, we have not put the same emphasis on drafting/acquiring defensive players.. it has taken a second fiddle approach.. especially in the 1st 3 years of paytons tenure..
i agree that we need to find the guy that can find the talent & also dig it out of the players not so talented..
we have missed on some picks, imo.. and we will not build a defense thru the draft..
we need to identify and get one free agent player that could mean a significant change..
a passrusher.. or LB maybe.. a guy you can build your defense around.. a lot like our offense is build around da drew..
by the 9th plague on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM CST reply actions
I agree with this totally,
I want to Saints to get a big name free agent on the defense. someone who can make plays, either a pass rusher or a LB.
Who Dat?
Good luck...we're behind the moneyball as it is with Brees' undoubted contract, a potential Nicks tag and signing a handful of our own FAs.
Best hope…a good aging veteran signs for cheap in hopes of a final shot at a ring.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Actually....
According to Pat Y….ESPsN ©… we have the most cap space in our division. Currently have 95 million committed for 2012.
That leaves us with a little more than 25 mil in space.
Problem….even if Tagged Drew will cost 14 mil.
Then you have Colston & Nicks as top Priorities.
Porter is free agent…cut that chump no problem
Meachem is free agent…again no problem
then Franklin and Rodger. Franklin being the only one even worth considering maybe.
There are a few backups in the free agency pool, so while Loomis will have his work cut out for him, we are in better shape than last year.
Atlanta is almost at 100 mil,and they have some major players they need to keep if they hope to keep up. Especially on D, not counting they need to upgrade in the secondary, which could also be said about us a little.
With the right coach we could maybe through the draft, abet may require trading down for more picks, and maybe, I said maybe, improve the D, just enough to support our O.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Calais Campbell…Robert Mathis…Cliff Avril…Mario Williams…Brent Grimes…Carlos Rogers…Cortland Finnegan…LaRon Landry…all are free agents that we should try to look at.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Williams
…is impossible, but man wouldn’t that be something. Finnegan is a thug.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
Your comments...I still love them
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
I’m ok with a thug here and there
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 18, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t want to hate cheering for any Saints…I want to be able to shred my vocal cords wholeheartedly. The only players I actually hate are the thugs and a-holes, and Finnegan is both.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
I’m asking, seriously, I know he is a cheap shot artist on the field, but is he a thug off the field? Afterall, he attended Samford, a small, private, strict, Baptist college in Birmingham where you get ‘values violations’ for being in a girl’s dorm room. How thuggish could he be?
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 18, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
He takes pride in being called the dirtiest player in the league.
Ahead of Hines Ward, I should add.
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
Hines Ward isn't dirty.
I hate it when people call him dirty. He plays tough, and plays to the whistle. You just don’t see it from many receivers.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
I’m not talking about what he does off the field. I don’t know what he does off the field. Every game I’ve ever watched him play, it’s non-stop cheap shots. I loved watching Andre Johnson mop the field with him.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
by MtnExile on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Now you're just being a rec whore.
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
“Are you being a rec whore?”
“No-ooo…”
“Are you being a rec whore?”
(Hangs his head) “Yes.”
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
Troy Polamalu can get you to admit anything
"We live by the blitz, and we die by the blitz.'' - Roman Harper
"So I guess the blitz died.'' - Alex Smith
by Hans Petersen on Jan 18, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
I loved that too.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Gif time!
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
What about Calais Campbell? I’d love to have him suit up in black and gold
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 18, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Then again...Harbaugh in SF is an offensive coach. Brian Billick in Baltimore during their defenses hayday was considered one of the great offensive minds.
Since 2006 Saints have drafted 18 offensive players and 19 defensive players.
In the first 3 rounds – 9 defensive players, 6 offensive players during that time. There has been every attempt by payloo to put an emphasis on drafting defensive players…and I saw little difference when looking at the overall pick distribution since they got here. Fact is…we’ve simply missed a heck of a lot more than we’ve hit on draft picks…especially defensively.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I bet we’ve done better on FA pickups in that time frame…of course, there is always that DB with two first names that kinda skews things a bit…
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 18, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I am all "Who could he possibly be talking abou...OH CRAP not that guy"
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 18, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
He looks happy…must have been right after he got his deal with us
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
true that the numbers appear even..
so, you right.. back to the bad results theory..
who is the best, absolute starter, irreplaceable defensive player we have drafted under payton..?
i can’t think of one.. harper is the closest.. cause ellis has been a disappointment.. porter seems to be sick or malnourished.. jenkins is mystery.. jordan, p.rob are still in the making.. same as wilson or even to a lesser degree bussey/romeus..
the free agents have gotten older or injured or both..
where do get players from..?
by the 9th plague on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Draft is always the smartest way in my opinion…but that would require us to stop trading them away like they’re candy. I’d go with Jenkins as our most irreplaceable person under Payton…Harper has obviously been slowing down and people have learned how to expose him over the last few years. Just poor scouting…bad luck…call it what you want. Our defensive players drafted in the first few rounds…simply haven’t played up to their status when drafted.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
We’ve also drafted late in the first round, except 2006 (reggie) after all the elite pass rushers are gone. I wouldn’t blow a first round pick on a LB not named Von Miller (who went 2nd overall). So FA is likely to be our only shot at an elite pass rusher until we start losing again.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
There’s been a lot of pass rushers that have excelled over the last few years that were picked in the 2-3rd rounds. Reed, Johnson, Sheard, Acho, and Dunlap just to name a few that have played well in the last year or two who were taken after the first round.
They key isn’t to look for the 12 sack guy after round 1…that isn’t feasible. But all of those guys are good situational players capable of getting 6+ sacks in part time duty. That’s a heck of a lot better than what we’ve been able to come away with.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Good point. I’ve always felt when you have one glaring need that you just have to fill, you go after it in FA with a proven commodity. Go for depth in the draft with hopes of developing a starter.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 18, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Whoever the new DC is, he's going to have to figure out what to do with Roman Harper
That is the biggest question mark to me. He is good in run support and on blitzes, but not so much in pass coverage. That is acceptable when you blitz your butt off like GW did. If you want to depend on your front 7 for getting pressure, I don’t know how he will fit in. Maybe GW blitzed him so much because that’s the only way to use him effectively. He was certainly the most effective at getting to the QB all year (which is pretty sad) so I’ll be very interested to see what the plan for him is next year.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
If we had LB'ers who could cover...
then Harper wouldn’t be a liability, and could be used as what he does best.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
LB
Move harp to LB if he can gain a few lbs. Go after tyvon branch for SS. Teach malcom to keep his damn head up and play like a real FS. Hopfully wilson can amount to something and stay healthy. Vill there be a vilma??? Btw greggs system, personelle, schemes, etc.. all worked fantastically until his own ego would get in the way. Paytons biggest flaw used to be being aggressive to the point that it would shoot ourselves in the foot. Luckily, paytons biggest strength is being self aware, and evolving his game. Gregg is so stubborn he would try and breed a monkey and a flounder if he thought he could ( and maybe there’d be a 1% chance of a qb sack while doing it) haha. Dont get me wrong, i was thrilled when we got gregg, and an adiment supporter throughout his tenure of blitzes. But when the same lapses in judgment become the expected, not the exception, its time to go. Confidence and swagger i love, cockiness is harmful. The difference being the
by organictallman on Jan 19, 2012 1:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
lb
…ability to admit your wrong and learn from your mistakes. Sean payton is most confident coach around, and you will rarely catch him make same mistake twice. But even he couldnt teach cocky gregg to learn. A huge thank you to gregg for teaching our defense they COULD taste greatness, now we need the right person to come in and teach them to sustain that greaatness.
by organictallman on Jan 19, 2012 1:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So Williams is like the Mike Martz of DCs?
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 19, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Well Said
I could not agree more with this article. People who keep saying show Greg Williams respect need to leave this blog. That’s OLD NEWS. The defensive Coordiantor needs to be not only good at X’s and O’s but be able to make personnel choices. Greg was in love with several players on this team that will no longer be on this team(Scott Shanle). The D-Coordinator must know when to blitz and not to blitz. 80 Yards in 40 seconds cannot and will not be tolerated. This is not your Grandpa’s Saints…. It’s OUR SAINTS.
by JohnnyRingo185 on Jan 18, 2012 12:37 PM CST reply actions
"People who keep saying show Greg Williams respect"
You mean like…Dave?
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
That’s what I thought when I read that lol
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 18, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
DAVE!
WE’RE EVICTING YOU FROM YOUR PROPERTY!
-Your tenants
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
Well said.
Building a football team takes a vision and a commitment to a plan balanced with some flexibility. Williams always seemed about making guys fit his defense rather than making his defense fit the guys you have. In the NFL you don’t get to make drastic changes to your personnel every offseason, so you have to be able to work with what you have on hand while you work at acquiring new talent.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Going to be a long off-season
And I will say: Best of luck to Greg Williams in St. Louis. And thank you for helping us get to the promised land in 2009. And I agree, it is time for a change on the defensive side of the ball.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
Premature to judge the defensive draft, especially with the Lock-out:
We got:
1 ea starting left DE, who was coming on at the end of the season.
1 ea possible DE (Romeus) who we can’t even begin to evaluate until next year
1 ea backup (possible starting) SAM LB (Wilson), who was coming on at year end.
1 ea backup CB (Patrick)
1 ea reserve LB (Bussey), called up from Practice Squad at end of year.
Plus 2 FA DT’s, and several FA LB’s.
5 defenders drafted, 5 still on team at end of year, 1 starter, possibly 2 or 3 more.
Not shabby for a draft and FA signings.
Should we consider...
That almost anyone could be made into an offensive weapon with Drew Brees at the helm? and that’s why the Saints make it seem easy to find offensive weapons? Would I be wrong in assuming that defense requires more communication, but relies more on individual performances to get the job done?
"How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?"
We’ve still had failures on offense. Arrington, for instance, has been around for years and simply never took the next step. It took us years to find a truly dominant tight end. And then there’s the whole Reggie Bush episode, where half the fanbase was chanting “Reggie! Reggie!” and the other half screaming “Cut that chump!”
I don’t think defense relies any more on individual excellence, but what it does rely on more is reactive skill. Much of the time, our guys just haven’t seemed to have that.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
Let me say...
I can’t label AA as a failure. Yes you could say he couldn’t beat a already crowed back field. He really has only been able to contribute in 3, maybe 4 games. He has done OK to good with the opportunities he has been given, except not so much in the last PO game. We are probably going to lose 2 of our WR’ers in FA, and we may actually get to see if AA is a failure as you say. You could say the same for Roby, who was taken as a WR’er but never made it off of special teams, and was a disappointment in the last game.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Futures Contract?
Pat Y on ESPN says Saints have signed some players of the practice squad (Mitch King for example) to a futures contract? What’s that? I remember King looked great in the pre-season but didn’t quite make the roster….
For the most part it means that they are signed to the 80 man roster through the off season. Those who are just signed to the practice squad are generally signed through that year only. Basically it means we have the rights to Mitch King through next year, so people can’t just come along and sign him away as if he were a FA. He’ll be part of our roster heading into training camp, no danger of him going to another team unless we release him at a later date.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I'll take Spags...
Wasn’t much for a HC, but he showed some great qualities as a DC. His Giants’ defenses were very good for a few years. Seems like all the good DC’s in the league never make good head coaches, (Spags, Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams come to mind).
I thought he had that team on the right track last year. They were one game from winning their division. Rookie of the year QB. I think injuries just held the team back. He would be a steal as a coordinator.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 18, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
If you get Spags as your DC, you will land the absolute steal of the off season.
Spags just wasn’t ready to be an HC. He is a GREAT defensive coach that suffered this last season because he couldn’t keep a CB on the field (10 CBs on IR). You have better DTs, and LBs (except JL55, he’s an absolute stud!, and I think if the Rams don’t sign him now, instead of waiting till next season’s contract year, he’ll lean toward following Spags).
Do EVERYTHING you can to hire Spags before the NFC East grabs him!
So what you're saying is...
Get Spags now, AND get Laurinaitis later? I like it. Sign him now Mickey.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
by Alex Swift on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said this on another post, but what about Keith Butler…he has been the LB coach at Pittsburgh since 2003. He has developed many great LBs and I wonder what he could do with our defense.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions
Being a positional coach in college is a leaps and bounds jump up to a coordinator position in the pros. That being said…it’s not like you can’t find success thinking outside of the box. I’d give anything to find the next great young defensive mind and give him a shot if we can’t sign spags.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Steelers, not Panthers.
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
Ohhhhh….miners….not minors!
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Movie quote.
From Galaxy Quest.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Yeah
…and Fred replies…“You lost me.”
What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?
Let’s get out of here before one of those things kills Jeff!
This isn't about rules, it's about manners. Now there's no rule that says that I cant come over here and fart on your entree. But I don't do it. Why? Because it's not good manners.
hey jeff
M-E knows his s*** on movie quotes.
"We live by the blitz, and we die by the blitz.'' - Roman Harper
"So I guess the blitz died.'' - Alex Smith
by Hans Petersen on Jan 18, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
also a song quote
from the rat pack it’s from a skit they did at the sands where Dean talks about minors and Frank says something about miners, miners!! those guys with the hats. It’s funny check it out sometime.
True, but...
I mean all D coordinators started as a positional coach at some point right? We would just have to have the guts to be the first to give that coach his shot. And if we are going to give anyone a chance, I would have no problem taking a member of the steelers defensive landscape. That’s essentially a breeding grounds for defensive coaches for many years.
Look who it is!
I’d be okay with Singletary, I suppose.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 18, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
We need someone with an eye for defensive talent
It’s not like Payton and Mickey aren’t trying – they have a great eye for offensive talent but not so much for defensive talent. It makes sense considering Payton’s experience as a QB, QB coach and offensive coordinator.
we need, pure and simple, some beast of a pass rusher
a Pat Swilling type- maybe a De Marcus Ware caliber- on a level with John Abraham, Justin Smith, Michael Strahan, Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, even Chris Long or Trent Cole. Someone who opposing offenses worry about. Someone who will make any DC that we hire look good.
There is no one on our DL that opposing OC’s worry about. No, the opposite- they look to who they can expose.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
Singletary was a great player, not a coach. If he came to NO it would be like rehiring Ditka.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
Really?? He had offensive problems as a Head Coach.
He built one of the best defenses in the league…see 5 Turnovers last week. That D wasn’t built this year.
This is true.
He doesn’t kinda creep me out.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 19, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think the option to look inside the organization has it’s perks too… someone who was there to witness the great things Williams did, and also witnessed the less great things.. Someone who knows the players and can communicate with his MQB Middle Quarterbacker Vilma…..
Paul
by The Flying Dutchman on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 AM CST reply actions
does anyone know
where our pick will fall for the Bush to miami trade? Was for an undisclosed pick, no idea if it was based on performance or what – if it was though he had a good year 1000 yards 6 TD rushing and 300 yards 1 td passing
We may have a first round pick afterall
The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson
receiving not passing. I just read the notes on the trade though…we got Jonathon Amaya and an undisclosed pick, did we undervalue him to get rid of the guy? Could be the issue that some are referring to above, the saints inability to judge quality defensive players, could have been talk of amaya being worth something which is yet to be seen.
The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson
Williams waisted Malcolm Jenkins talent.
MJ was told to play last man standing because our DC knew it was a gamble every time he’d unleash Harper. I dare you to name one player who saved as many touchdowns all year long.
Repeat? Run it!
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