Some questions for you guys with all your smarts and stuff
Some of these will need you to be objective in order to answer.
1. Please answer this ONLY if you are very familiar with NFL rules/regs: do you believe the Saints play dirty?
*Added: To you what constitutes "dirty play"?
2. If the Saints were moved to another city would you still be a die hard fan?
3. If Darren Sharper were still around do you believe our turnover ration would be better than it is right now?
4. Under what circumstances is a team "running up the score", if you believe it exists at all?
5. Taking into consideration that most players are not stars, have very short careers, are traded multiple times, do not make millions of dollars and are likely to face injuries which may be life threatening, would you be okay with your son playing in the NFL?
6. Do you consider the Saints classy? :)
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wow.. controversy.. atta girl .. sarah..
1. no.. they play with an edge that is encouraged by their defensive coach.. they play like they used to say: “to the echo of the whistle..”
the defensive players try to get on the offensive stars heads with little scuffles.. to gain a mental edge.. (a by-standing puritan, with a naive understanding of the game would perhaps consider that, cheating, therefore "dirty – but, imo.. it is not.. it is how the game is played..)
2. unfortunately.. yes..
3. if he had hit the fountain of youth, maybe.. a younger sharper was a tremendous ball-hawk.. no doubt..
4. under no circumstances.. no such thing in the pro game..
lemme ask you for example NE yesterday was losing 21- nothing early.. then, they turn on the jets & smoked them for 49 unanswered points.. you could ask yourself..? why so many..? they only needed 22 points to win.. they score so many cause they get in a roll.. no questions.. no apologies.. buffalo didn’t apologize for scoring 21 points straight.. did they..?
5. yes it would be a great experience for any young man even a very minor roll player..
6. not “classy” to answer a question with another question, but: what is classy?
here is what merriam-webster think:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/classy
well there it is.. it’s a big “hell-yeah” in all it’s meanings..
Not trying to start any drama, I promise
Just wondering because I can only answer based on my limited experience and it’s interesting to read everyone’s thoughts based on their own.
I try to be a sponge and learn everything I can about this organization and the league. Anything I can learn I am eager to learn.
no.. those are very hot questions.. and you know how goes: "opinions are like.."
but.. very legitimate.. things to wonder about..
i’m sure many will follow & hell will bust wide open.. just wait.. it’s gonna be great..!!
by the 9th plague on Jan 2, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'll try
1. No I dont believe they play dirty I do believe they play agressive and play through the whistle which is something all DC’s want
2.I dont think I could root for a team that would abandon a city that supports them so much
3.Only if he was still young I believe he’s gotten to old to play and Jenkins is developing fine
4.There is no running up the score in professional sports if they dont like it get their defense to stop it they get paid to play also
5.This is something I know alot about.A boy that grew up being at my house most his life (his father died when he was young) was drafted by the Bills and plays.He tore his ACL in the Dallas game he will be fine and is making a full recovery and will be back next year.Just try and keep a college football player who gets drafted from playing.The NFL takes care of their injured players no doubt about it I would have no problem with my son playing
6.Classy is irrelevent I dont consider them classy nor un-classy I do consider them a hard nose take care of buisness championship team so in my mind thats classy
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 2, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions
1. No. You can find the same “dirty” plays on every other team in the NFL. It gets magnified in our case because of the recent success we have had over the past few years. Haters gonna hate.
2. I don’t think I would in all honesty. The Saints are a south Louisiana team and everything about them represents this area of the country. It wouldn’t even make sense to use the name, the colors, or even our logo in another city. They would have to change everything so they wouldn’t even be the Saints anymore anyway. I’m still trying to figure out why they didn’t change the name of the Utah Jazz when they moved out of Nola. Salt Lake City and Jazz? Match made in hell.
3. I still think Darren Sharper still has some left in the tank even now. Last season wasn’t a good way to identify if he had lost a step or not due to being injured most of the year. I really thought we would sign him at some point this season if only for a backup role especially when we got to see how atrocious our safety depth was early in the season.
4. Don’t believe there is such a thing at all. The offensive unit’s job is to score. The defensive unit’s job is to keep the offense from scoring. Most of the complaining is just whining because another team is getting embarrassed. If this conversation continues….I’m all for a “mercy rule” in professional football. This is obviously what all these cry babies want.
5. Yes….although I will make them sign a contract that states they are never allowed to tweet anything……no exceptions.
6. I don’t even know how you can gauge whether a team is classy or not. It seems that the deciding factor is whoever that team is playing that week. If you visit other team blogs…..they always find a play or a series during a game which they identify as evidence of not being classy. It isn’t just us that is being accused of it….we have just been getting the spotlight because of all the high scoring and success we have had recently.
You're such an inspiration for all the ways that I will never, ever choose to be-Maynard James Keenan
"I still think Darren Sharper still has some left in the tank even now."
I agree. I think Jenkins is progressing but isn’t there yet. I think keeping Sharper here would have benefited us in both the turnover ratio and Jenkin’s progression. He seemed to be progressing a lot quicker when he was around.
I'm not a fan of evaluating a player in practice or a workout
A lot of people have said that Sharper was done and used the fact that no team signed him during free agency as proof. I just don’t think you can judge a players ability at any point in his career due to how he performs in a workout. How many times have we heard a coach say “he has looked great in practice” only to have that player look horrible in game situations. I think the only way to judge if Sharper was running on empty was to put him in a game situation. If judging player ability during workouts actually worked…..there wouldn’t be any draft busts and there wouldn’t be any of the “breakout” players that show up out of nowhere every year.
You're such an inspiration for all the ways that I will never, ever choose to be-Maynard James Keenan
by AcquiredPanic on Jan 2, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
I just don’t think you can judge a players ability at any point in his career due to how he performs in a workout
Totally agree. Football curiculum should have some weight when doing an audition. Curiously, Sharper managed to boost his with a tremendous statistical season but nobody still cared to sign him. Even as a backup. On minimum money. That’s why we’re blogging and GMs are getting paid. Wait, not even the Browns?
I think the only way to judge if Sharper was running on empty was to put him in a game situation
Saints did. Giving him more than enough healing time to cure that knee since he couldn’t play first six weeks due to a technical management decision. Jenkins skipped only two game as the “official” starter…
Repeat? Run it!
Saints did.
I was referring more to the offseason when he was a free agent. I don’t think his time with us last year was a good evaluation of what he could do when healthy and rust free. Yeah, he got to play but I don’t think it was at the level he was capable of due to coming back from an injury and having to shake the rust off.
You're such an inspiration for all the ways that I will never, ever choose to be-Maynard James Keenan
by AcquiredPanic on Jan 3, 2012 5:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think keeping Sharper here would have benefited us in both the turnover ratio and Jenkin’s progression. He seemed to be progressing a lot quicker when he was around.
Hire him as a coach then. He’s more than capable of fulfilling that role. As a player on the field, no. And with only 54 slots (plus salary cap considerations), we can’t afford to put him on the roster just to be Jenkins’ teacher.
Sorry, not smart on the rules/regs, but these are good.
So I’ll answer this one on my experience as an “old fart.”
4. Under what circumstances is a team “running up the score”, if you believe it exists at all?
You would be running up the score against someone if they had obviously given up. For example, Bellicheck pulling Brady with five minutes to go in ’09 on MNF in the Dome. But against Bellicheck, who cares!
You would be running up the score against an opponent that is obviously over-matched. Like in high school, or college where they schedule cream puffs to pad the schedule. This is supposed to be the pros. This falls under sportsmanship. Payton gave an example of good sportsmanship in his first season down in the red zone against the Cowboys and Parcells and started kneeling the ball around the 2 minute warning.
Just my rambling incoherent thoughts.
"Move over Marino, there's a new Brees coming through town!"-Jim Henderson
same question, different rambling, incoherent thoughts
This isn’t Pop Warner, there is never such a thing as “running up the score.” If there is any reason to keep going, even just laying down shock and awe for the remaining opponents on the schedule, score and score some more. Have you ever seen a boxer ask for bigger gloves because he’s beating his opponent too bad? No, it’s the job of the losing corner to throw in the towel and concede. If (for instance) the Falcons were tired of getting torched on the way to Saints records, they could have walked off the field and quit; we’d still get the win, but without the yardage. Could you ever conceive of a team doing that? Me neither, may not even be anything in the rulebook to cover it.
I think I am, therefore I am... I think
by alcoholic_insight on Jan 2, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
One thought.
Running up the score is BS. All of us oldtimers can still remember a certain Saints /49’ers game in which we had such a large lead there was no way they could catch up. Guess what. They not only caught us but won it. Damn Montana.
Drew Brees....MVP Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 2, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think there can be instances of running up the score
But simply scoring touchdowns because the opponent can’t stop you isn’t running up the score, nor is it unclassy. Going for a two-point conversion when you’re up by 33 and want to be a full five touchdowns ahead? That would be both running the score up and unclassy. Going for an onside kick in a similar situation points-wise would also be classless. But playing hard, to the best of your ability, even all the way to the end of the game, should be every player’s goal, even if it means you win by 60 points or something.
Besides, the teams that are hamburger one year have usually been the grinder in years past, and will one day soon be back on top.
perfect time to practice an onside kick
is when you don’t need it, lol
I think I am, therefore I am... I think
by alcoholic_insight on Jan 2, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No. The Saints play tough football. Whiners gonna whine.
Yes. Not being from New Orleans, I don’t have any ties to the city itself, even though the city was the inspiration for my fandom.
No. He’s far too old. 5 years ago? Yes.
No. If you don’t like it, stop it. Whiners gonna whine.
Yes. I still haven’t given up on my football dreams, and if my future son ever ends up having the opportunity, I would encourage him 100%. It’s an opportunity few get.
Yes. Look at their work in the community, and tell me they’re not.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
"I still haven’t given up on my football dreams"
Really? Care to expand? My ex was a really, really good MLB in HS but tore his MCL the game the scout came out to visit. It crushed him. He taught me how to tackle, the crunch of the hit is still my favorite sound because of him lol.
My university is starting up a football team next year. I’ve already started training, and have the utmost confidence that I’ll be starting at quarterback game 1
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
New football program?
I guess it could take a while before you play against le Rouge et Or for the Vanier Cup…
Funny, in a few years, you may have first hand knowledge on running up the score. Other teams won’t give a s*** you guys are an expansion team. Here’s hoping you keep your head up through the inevitable rough ride a new team goes through.
Repeat? Run it!
As much as I'd like to see us in the Vanier Cup from Year 1
The biggest game for us will probably be the annual Panda Game that will be restarted, against Ottawa U. I hate those guys more than I hate the Falcons. And I reeeeally hate the Falcons.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
I’ve been really lucky to avoid any major injuries in my playing time. Even as a quarterback, I like to play really aggressively
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Aggressive?
Do me a favour. Learn whatever you want from Brees except when he runs. Just remember, feet first when you slide…Hey, maybe you could put it on Youtube and send it to Drew cause our coaching staff surely doesn’t seem like they can teach him to not risk his carreer everytime he carries the ball and goes down head first!
Repeat? Run it!
I don't slide.
If I have to pull it down and run, I’m running hard. I played hockey before football, so I was taught to run over people well before anybody tried to teach me to slide first haha
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
1. No the Saints do not play dirty. They play with a killer instinct. It’s just a way for sour grapes to whine. Now that the Saints have been and still are successful team as whole, it brings out the haters.
2. I’m not sure. I hope that day never comes as long as I’m alive. Actually, I don’t see that happening.
3. Will always love and miss Sharper. He’s too old now. He had a great career.
4. The 49ers of the 80’s did it. The Chargers during the Fouts era did it. The Colts with Peyton Manning did it. The Rams “Show on turf” did it. The Patriots have done it and still do.
So why the hell can’t we?
5. If I had a Son, he could do whatever his passion as he chooses. I would support him on that.
6. Yes I do. But I will say this, they are not doormats nor do they give a rats behind of what players or opposing fans think of them. You don’t want to piss them off. And no, they are definitely not cheap shot artists nor do they pay the refs for a Championship or Superbowl win.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
1. No. They play aggressively, and sometimes they play stupidly. Individual plays—like, yes, Roman Harper’s hit on Steve Smith—can be called dirty. But they aren’t coached to do that. You can’t call an entire organization dirty because a few players, on a few plays out of an entire season, lose their heads. Frankly, I don’t think there are ANY “dirty teams” in the NFL.
2. Not a chance.
3. The same Darren Sharper? Yes. He was so experienced, so savvy, and also a very talented defensive back with good ball skills, even if you subtract the experience. But that’s not the Darren Sharper we would have if he were still on the field. I’m afraid he’d be a liability. But I wear his jersey on game days.
4. A team “runs up the score” as a way of expressing contempt for their opponents. If their scores are motivated by something different—for instance, gaining a record, perchance?—it’s not running up the score. It’s pushing aside an opponent who stands beside them and what they want. Don’t like it? Stop them.
5. Yes. It’s less dangerous than being a Marine, and if I’d “let him” serve his country, why wouldn’t I let him play football? But I wouldn’t let him get a tongue stud.
6. Absolutely. Everything they do now is top-notch. It didn’t used to be that way, and anyone who has been around from the beginning can vouch for that. The Saints are one of the best organizations in professional sports right now, and that’s one thing—along with the Lombardi Trophy—that makes being a Saints fan so pleasurable nowadays.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
1. No… but they do push the edge a bit. In order to be clear, you have to define dirty play. There are so many purely STUPID “definitions” (i.e. crap made up by some moron who just wants to whine about a player or team he doesn’t like) that we first must establish what it is not. Hitting a guy hard is not dirty. Hitting a guy in a fashion that is against the rules is at a minimum “pushing it” and sometimes is in fact dirty. Those get into a bit of a gray area, sometimes the rule violation was truly unintentional, but sometimes — and especially after repeated violations — it is no longer so.
And extra curricular, completely unnecessary crap after the whistle is almost always dirty. But again some common sense is required, some stuff that happens after the whistle is deliberate and a fair bit of it might be unnecessary… but most of it actually isn’t deliberate and much of it is completely necessary. Some people complain if their injured ankle gets slightly twisted while they are in a dog-pile and think it was deliberate. Sorry, moron, it wasn’t, I’ll go so far as to say there’s a 95+% chance it was simply bad luck for you from unpredictably shifting bodies as people tried to get up from the pile, and even if it HAD been deliberate it still wouldn’t be dirty. Not, at least until you go so far as an outright punch or forceful shove with blatant intent to attempt to re-injure. And fortunately for all of us, if somebody is stupid enough to do that, the TV cameras WILL catch it (and usually the refs as well) and not only will you be caught being dirty but you’ll get a penalty (or even an ejection) and if nothing else at least a fine. For example, I know how little you like the Cowgirls and Romo, but had somebody trying to sack him did their best to make sure his hand was contacted while in the process of a legal tackle, this is not dirty. Rude, yes. But rude doesn’t equal dirty. It’s part of the risk Romo knowingly assumes by strapping on the pads and going out to try to play ball. However, if after the play was over they deliberately stomped on his hand, that WOULD be dirty.
Hitting a defenseless receiver in the head or neck area in an attempt to get him to drop the pass (instead of maintaining the catch) is dirty. Hitting a QB in the head behind the line of scrimmage is dirty. I know a lot of people don’t like both of those rules, but even if I agreed with those people (and I don’t) it’s still the rule. You simply can’t do it, and you HAVE to find another way to play if you want to avoid fines, penalties, and eventually suspensions. To do anything less is not only dirty but also flat out stupid, as Harrison has learned the hard way this year.
The Saints are constantly aiming for the white edge of the gray area between tough-but-legal hits and dirty play. They sometimes miss and stray over the line into at least the gray area and occasionally even into the black, but they don’t seem to be doing so maliciously, and they definitely are not doing so CONSTANTLY the way the Stoolers and Ravens used to (and at least at times still do). So, that brings me back to my original answer… no… but they do push the edge a bit.
2. Yes. Sorry guys, but I call it Lousyana. I’m not a fan of the deep south, hot weather, Cajun speaking (though I love the spices), any form of seafood, or most of the other things that make New Orleans “great”. I’m a fan of the team, not the city.
That said, I do hope it doesn’t move, not because I care about the city one whit but because I know how it would hurt the feelings of the fans. Fortunately, I suspect that as long as the Dome is sold out Benson will not even dream of thinking about it ever again. So start hoping that Loomis can find our version of A-Rod sometime in the next five years or so…
3. No. I would like to partially agree with M-E in that if we could somehow get a fully healthy Sharper with all of his experience and smarts in a body with five or ten years less physical deterioration, then hell yeah it would help. But such a thing doesn’t exist and can’t be created. Sharper has all the mental ability that he would need to help, but way too little of the physical ability left to actually accomplish anything. Sometimes it’s just time to move on. Saints realized that last year, and we fans must eventually as well.
4. “Running up the score” is a whiny loser crybaby lament. There is no such thing. Now there is such a thing as bad sportsmanship, and attempting to express contempt for the opponent falls into that category. Deliberately continuing to try to score points for NO other valid reason (such as records or even just to appease the TOP maniacs) when the game is well in hand could be such a thing if and ONLY if the other team has clearly waved the white flag (pulled the starting QB and/or other key players and subbed in backups to get them game experience). But it’s the duty of the loser to capitulate, not the winner. The winner can still “be nice” if they want to, whether for simple injury protection for key players or to just be nice guys even though they do NOT have to do so, when they have a clearly-insurmountable lead. But they are in NO way required to do so. And if the losing team hasn’t clearly given up, is continuing to go for it on fourth down and continuing to play the starters and more, anybody on their team and/or watching the game who whines about the team in the lead continuing to play hard as well is a whiny b**** and a crybaby p****. (No insult intended in any way to women, I’m referring to mentality and personality here, not biology.)
5. No. My reasons are religious, however, so I can’t discuss them further. Although I will note that the reason I love watching football is because I couldn’t ever play it. I’m not the best athlete by any means and I would almost certainly have never have made it in the NFL, but I’m decent enough at lots of sports that I don’t care to watch, I’d rather play them or ignore them. The NFL is the sole sport I give a crap about at the professional level.
6. Specify please. Do you mean the ownership? Mostly so. Benson has stopped being a prick and lets his granddaughter make him look good in public now, they do a lot of things to help the community and the fan-base that they didn’t before. Do you mean the “faces of the franchise” such as Drew and Sean and Mickey and company? Yes, especially so with Drew and mostly so with the others. Do you mean every single person on the team? Well in that case probably not. There are always going to be a few bad apples in any organization, but fortunately the guys who are classy and likeable are careful to keep them under control and quiet, and that’s good enough for me.
Lousyana
I think you just lost a few friends on this site.
You're such an inspiration for all the ways that I will never, ever choose to be-Maynard James Keenan
by AcquiredPanic on Jan 2, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Nah
I just feel sorry for him is all. Although I really want to know his religious argument against football.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
Would have to say
I’m a little interested myself.
You're such an inspiration for all the ways that I will never, ever choose to be-Maynard James Keenan
by AcquiredPanic on Jan 2, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Respect and appreciate it.
This isn't about rules, it's about manners. Now there's no rule that says that I cant come over here and fart on your entree. But I don't do it. Why? Because it's not good manners.
As I said, I won’t get into it, because it’s against the rules.
But I will state that it’s purely a personal inability to participate, not some philosophical objection to the sport or anything. If it was the latter, I wouldn’t be a fan of the team or any other.
If you or anybody else want to hear anything else, you’ll have to look up my profile and use my email address.
Hmm I probably shouldn’t have said that… Dave feel free to delete it (and this) if necessary… because I really do NOT want to start any debate or discussion about it on the board…
So sorry....
Just immediately typed what poped in my head like I was solving a riddle. By no means should I have done it, especially after your restreint about it.
Repeat? Run it!
is it legal in this game to dispute other peoples answers..?
cause i strongly disagree with a passage of exile’s #1..
by the 9th plague on Jan 2, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, bring it
I would imagine it involves a belief that there are dirty teams?
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
specifically the "stupid", part.. it has been discussed before, actually..
with plenty bickering.. so probably not worth it..
can’t remember if it was you that said it over there.. but bressus, myself and AP did not agree with qualifying as stupid the harper personal foul on smith.. but rather a little bit of a statement to get him off his game (which has torched us for years) just a different interpretation of bending rules..
i said it above too, the overly purist eye may find “working the adversary” tactics as dirty.. i find them necessary.. the rule book penalizes an offense.. take your penalty and line up.. if it’s that bad of an offense they may disqualify you.. that is bad.. so the “edge” must be reasonable.. the harper shove on smith was just an enforcing move to serve notice.. hardly a disqualifying offense.. if you noticed the referies actually gave smith a pass on the subsequent fight.. perhaps because no punches were thrown.. but jenkins was grabbed by the facemask by smith & pushed around by others..
by the 9th plague on Jan 2, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't have a problem with it
And I wish somebody would have popped him Sunday. If we are gonna take a 15 yard penalty then that is what it should be used for……..not celebrations and putting bows on footballs. I love the intimidation factor. Those kinda hits aren’t given to players without reason and Smith was definitely targeted because of his big mouth, star status, and being their biggest weapon. It was a statement hit….nothing more, nothing less.
You're such an inspiration for all the ways that I will never, ever choose to be-Maynard James Keenan
by AcquiredPanic on Jan 2, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I also wonder what makes an act smart versus dirty
Such as bringing a rb down by his facemask as a last resort before he crosses the end zone. I think most people would rather have the penalty than see the opponent score. Smart, dirty, or both?
Depends on whether it’s deliberate. Most of the time it’s a desperation grab and the facemask is unintentional. In which case it’s bad luck, not actually “smart”, and not really even “dirty”, so actually “neither” would be more accurate.
If for some crazy reason they have a shot at some other part of the body and they deliberately go for the facemask instead, then I have to go with dirty.
well, just give him your email address and ask him to send it to you
I just had a rap with Santa and we took us a little stroll
And all I want for Christmas is the Saints in the Super Bowl
by Hans Petersen on Jan 2, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I like this
“And if the losing team hasn’t clearly given up, is continuing to go for it on fourth down and continuing to play the starters and more”
Makes sense.
You may still have friends here.
I hope you do. But, you can keep that Lousyana stuff to yourself. I’m smiling as I say that. I don’t care abot anything Louisiana except for its unique culture. It’s the only thing that makes it stand out amongst other southern states. An asset. Really, it’s OK. No need to explain or defend yourself just never bring it up again, OK? Thanks. Still smiling.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 3, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
1. Dirty Team, No way !!.. All around the league there are those moments when testosterone in helmets and pads might bring the Tyson out in a player.. but sadly there are “Dirty Players” in this league.. you will see him wearing #90 Saturday night.
2. Yes.. When you are a fan that Bleeds Black and Gold.. it’s for life.. Look at all of our loyal fans that do not live in the same home town that bleed as well.. prolly not a season tk holder any longer though.
3.Sharper… well.. not sure if having him that the turnover ratio would be that much more, and that would mean having to make room and replace a team member.. I’m happy with our personnel.
4. play 60 minutes of football period. Offense has a job to do, so does the defense. I would much rather be defeated by a team who will go all out.. then lay down for the last 5 min. I would feel a bit insulted otherwise.
5. Sure with full support.. And would convince him to perfect the position of Long snapper.. $600,000.00 salary and potential of 12-13 yrs. in the league.. may not be the most glorious position but not a shabby income.. and ya still get a ring ( hopefully ).
6. Compared to the rest of the league.. they are as classy of a team as you will ever see their interactions with the city, fans and community as well as on the field.
You know Hartman, goodie-two-shoes is fidgeting around like a one-legged cat trying to bury s#!t on a frozen pond, until old Seth fixes him a couple of pink poontang specials. You know, that crazy drink that I fix for stewardesses? Two shots out of that and Hartman is shot to s#!t, freaked out. I mean, I never saw a guy having so much fun and crying at the same time!
That's almost five different fanposts!
1 – Very late hits against the QB are dirty. Saints did “murder” Favre in that 2010 NFC championsip game right in front of my eyes with a lot of questionnable hits. By the way, we probably don’t win that game, and furthermore the Superbowl, if we don’t do so. I also recall Williams mentionning he had no problem with a personnal foul as long as it was “the right time” to do it. Our DC over act the tough guy part a lot but I think he does manage borderline hits by permitting it once a game for psychological advantage he get from it if, like he said, it’s the “right time” to do so. Problem is, some of those youngsters took it a bit further by yapping on almost every play at the beginning of this season. Guess Payton didn’t like it cause Porter, Jenkins and even Graham on the other side of the ball toned dramatically down in the second half. So are we dirty? Gregg Williams surely hopes every other team think so…
2 – Cheared for the Colorado Avalanche when they left Quebec city as the Nordiques but lost interest as the players I knew retired or got traded. Unless Saint move to Montreal, beating Toronto and their flirt with Buffalo to it, the same would probably apply.
3 – Darren Sharper came to the Saints from Minnesota where he was on the bench even if the Vikes were close to last against the pass that year. He had already lost a full step but he took advantage of playing a LOT of rookie QB or with very few starts. Too lazy to check but I’d be confident saying he had at least 80% of his picks against very inexperimented QB. Add to this that he use to throw a remember hit every game for the first half of that “magical” season but stop doing it in the second and that’s a no way Jose. Thirty one team still don’t think he’s even backup material….
4 – Why give “bulletin board” material to a team that clearly gave up? Wait and see the Pats fanbase whine their heart out when the inevitable decline comes around and other teams are declaring payback time for doing it repeatedly.
5 – As long as he’s not playing for his hometown team where they’re the only attraction around and the fanbase isn’t as knowledgeable as they use to be. I’m looking at you, Montreal Canadiens stupid fefans…
6 – When they tweet as individual, not really. When the mikes are open? They do always say the right things. Payton may be the first coach to be that good as putting everyone to sleep threw the medias than he is as a NFL coach. Oh, and I have a serious crush on classy Rita Benson-Leblanc!
Yo Stu, something to keep you company in that solitude fortress you’re in…

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Montreal Canadiens stupid fefans
Do you agree or disagree with the hiring of Randy Cunneyworth? Don’t take the 1-7 record into account, just the actual hiring of an anglophone.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
We might get spank by Dave...
…because that’s 100% a political issue.
Let me put it this way. Would it fit the bill with the fans and medias if Saints head coach could only speak Spanish?
I’m thorn on this one. I think we should get the best man for the job but that franchise did built his dynasty with Fenchies. Ha those long gone good old days when they were called the “Flying Frenchman”,,,
Repeat? Run it!
We might get spank by Dave…
…because that’s 100% a political issue.
Haha definitely though you were going to say because that’s a different sport! I’m a Sens fan, so I just sit back and laugh as all this unfolds. Although, I must say the Cunneyworth was a great player in his time, and his 1-7 record doesn’t do him justice.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Hated the Favre thing.
It was clearly late hits, several times. It’s not why they lost, of course, but you didn’t say that. They forget how much Peterson fumbled that day and the 12 men in a huddle and the Thomas TD that wasn’t. Terrible coaching and a bad day for Peterson.
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by CrazyforColston on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
They took the same approach against Warner the week before. Bobby McCray was basically GW’s goon during that stretch.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
I remember big hits on Warner, not late ones though. I admit that it could be selective memory….
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by LA_No1_SaintFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Look at you, Sarah T
1.Dirty, Heck no. Purposely breaking the rules, can constitute dirty play/player, i.e. going for QB’s knees. Dirty players maybe, moreso than teams, uummmm wait The Jerry Glanville, Oilers and Falcons come to mind. Well 1970’s Raiders were called dirty, but you could still head slap, clothes-line, helmet to helmet all day long. Todays game has way more safety considerations, plus huge fines and suspensions.
2.I’d still follow them, out of curiosity, I’m actually closer to San Antone, than NOLA, so I considered season tix when that was the talk.
3.This is a trick question, If D.Sharp had 25 yr old knees, sure, but he’s got a SB ring, and I thank him for that, he’ll do well on T.V. I’ve been in Broadcasting 25 yrs and you either have to have good looks, or read well, he’s got the 1st, practice, practice, practice on the 2nd. Read aloud, it’s good for your Brain. Besides we’re starting to get turnovers now, at the right time.
4.Yes sure, if he has the goods and deserved to be there. My 10 yr old boy wants to be Quantum Physicist so I fully support that. But he does have two cousins that have a great chance. The older is a lefty pitcher, QB, and Basketball star. stick with Baseball, good lefty pitchers can go into their 40’ies.
5.Classy of course, as bad as we used to be, always being made fun of, and to rise up out of that, to a SB win and stay consistent, that’s ALL Class.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
D. Sharp would be great on TV!
His interviews always went really well. His teeth are blindingly white haha.
And quantum physics is sexy! I am totally in love Brian Cox. I could listen to him all day. Does your son watch Through the Wormhole and Wonders of the Universe?
Sharper has been on NFL Network a couple of times.
Not that I want him to be a homer, but the couple of times he was on he seemed to be going out of his way to be anti-homer. Still love him, though.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 3, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
The couple of times that I’ve seen him, you would have thought he was still on the roster…
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WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
by LA_No1_SaintFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Bippity Boppity yes, Brian Cox is his hero, we DVR all his shows
and Wormhole, great series, Morgan Freeman’s voice, great narration, plus Freeman produces those shows, my son thinks he’s God (from Evan Almighty) LOL
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
I even let him grow his hair long like BC
I’m OK with it, but his grandpa’s not too thrilled. Whatever, get over it.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
Sigh
I remember when I could still grow my hair long…
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by cajuncommando58 on Jan 5, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
He's working on it, his timing, delivery etc.
field to the studio is tough, unless one’s had some speech/theatre exposure. I think he’ll be fine, I’m mean Irvin and Sapp keep getting re-hired, they’re nightmare’s on set.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
He could be as stylistic as Neon Deon, slightly less flash.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
My limited knowledge doesn't stop the flow of words.
Rules? I don’t imagine I know enough to say but I don’t think they are cheap shot artists as a regular way of conducting themselves. Standout examples, yes. We have them as well as every team. But, on the whole I’d so, “No, not dirty.”
I would not be a fan of the San Antonio Saints or any other Saints except for the New Orleans kind. I do favor underdogs, though and this franchise’s history would have qualified for the last four and half decades.
I honestly think Sharper knows when he’s done and he seems to agree that he is done. If we only needed a safety to ball hawk, that would be different but that is a luxury that it seems no team thought they could afford roster space wise, or other. I do not agree with those who thought Sharper could only interecept with such profieciency if it weren’t for so many rookie QBs the Superbowl year. He intercepted Brady and Warner too.
My son? I couldn’t really discourage it being a fan myself but, I’d worry all the same.
Classy? Yes, for a lot of reasons. Intimacy with fans and the team first mentality has them behaving in generous ways. Other teams have it. Now, so do we.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
forgot the "runnin up score"
question:
No. Run it up. I think Saints are guilty of running up yards for the record book more than they were trying to humiliate anybody.
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
1. Please answer this ONLY if you are very familiar with NFL rules/regs: do you believe the Saints play dirty?
Yes, though no more or less than the average NFL team. Roman Harper and Will Smith are the two bad seeds that stand out the most on the current roster. I’m sure there’s a lot of stuff that goes on in the piles that none of us see.
*Added: To you what constitutes “dirty play”?
Dirty play is blatant disregard for the rules, be it once a season or once a week. Typically ill-spirited extracurricular activity well after the whistle. Also, demonstrative acts of violence. Throat slashing gestures, hits when the opponent is well out of bounds, stomping, tripping, biting, pretty much anything of the sort.
2. If the Saints were moved to another city would you still be a die hard fan?
No. I don’t consider myself a diehard Saints fan anymore, as I no longer attend games regularly. I’m a Saints rooter and a Bengals rooter, who’s hoping to become a Bengals fan by next season. Would I continue to root for the Saints if they moved to another city? Absolutely. At least, until the last player from the 2010 roster left. I assume at some point I would have little to no personal connection with the team, just as I have zero allegiance towards the Utah Jazz today.
3. If Darren Sharper were still around do you believe our turnover ration would be better than it is right now?
Have we been rationing them? That might explain why there’s been so few this season. Jk. I know you meant ratio and no, I think Darren Sharper is finished. He provided nothing to the team in 2010 and even the veteran minimum for a player of his tenure would be better spent on Quddus and whatever other player is currently soaking up that cap. I think his success in 2009 stemmed from a combination of his experience and the lack of experience in many of the QBs he intercepted. We haven’t faced nearly as many green signal callers since and still don’t have the elite playmakers in the secondary to make that sort of difference otherwise. Yet. I think Jenkins and Robinson both have the potential to be elite.
4. Under what circumstances is a team “running up the score”, if you believe it exists at all?
Tough call. This isn’t really something that bothers me, but if I had to define it, I’d go with something like “up by 40 in the 3rd quarter, or 30 in the 4th quarter and still passing more than 60% of the time”. I personally don’t think any team should be passing that often, unless they’re TRAILING by 9 points or more, but there comes a point where the inverse of anyone’s expectations can be rendered as overkill.
5. Taking into consideration that most players are not stars, have very short careers, are traded multiple times, do not make millions of dollars and are likely to face injuries which may be life threatening, would you be okay with your son playing in the NFL?
Only if he was passionate about it. Same answer I’d give you, if you asked me if I’d mind my son joining the military.
6. Do you consider the Saints classy? :)
No more or less than any other team. I’ve seen countless charitable acts and d*** moves out of all 32 NFL franchises.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
1. Playing dirty is breaking the rules intentionally. Every team does it as does every player at some point and to some extent. Essentially when you cheat beyond the little things like holding calls etc and/or you try to injure an opposing player, that’s when you’re a dirty player or team. The Saint are not.
2. If the Saints left, I’d follow them, but I would not support them. My loyalty is to my city, and the Saints are a part of that city.
3. I’d have to say yes, regarding Darren Sharper. He would get us some more turnovers, but we’d also give up some more big plays. He’s not playing right now because he takes bad angles on tackles and he takes chances for turnovers that either lead to interceptions or touchdowns for the opposing team. 2009 he gambled a lot and it paid off, but your luck has to run out sometime. I personally think he’d be a better coach at this point than a player.
4. In my opinion, as long as the other team is still trying to score and win, you have every right to do so as well. People tend to forget that points scored is one of the tie-breakers. This is the NFL. It’s not about feelings, it’s about wins. You’re a professional football team. If you can’t stop the offense, you deserve to get buried in points. As long as the team isn’t running a no huddle, so be it.
5. I’d absolutely be okay with me son playing if that is what he wanted to do. I’d help in any way that I could. It is my job as a parent to help him succeed and support his endeavors not crush dreams or limit him because of my own insecurities.
6. Class resides on and off the field. I would say the Saints are one of, if not THE classiest team in the NFL. They’ve done a ton for New Orleans and were very involved in the City’s comeback to prominence. On the field they are professional but supportive of each other. They protect one another. It may not be classy to start a fight, but it is definitely classy to protect your brothers from harm and cheap shots.
Stupid people are like slinkies. They're not really useful for anything, but it's still fun to watch them tumble down stairs.
1) No
2) Probably- depends on what city and how much of the team stayed intact
3) Yes, but maybe we wouldn’t necessarily be 13-3.
4) When , outside of mitigating circumstances like vs Atlanta etc, there is more than a 3 td lead and less than about 10 mins left.
5) If that’s what he wanted
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
Answer to number 4
If you are getting paid to play, then it is not running up the score. Period. End of discussion.
If the score counts towards your final place (aka BCS) then it can be considered running up the score; however with a purpose.
If you are not getting paid and are ahead by huge numbers and you still leave all of your starters in, then you are running up the score.
It really is that simple. Like when Duke is up by 30 at the half and brings their starters back on the floor in full court press mode against a clearly inferior opponent, that is classless and running up the score. If your starters were that good and the other team did manage to get it back down to 10 or single digits, wouldn’t that provide more and better experience than just resting your starters in the last minute of a game? Yes.
SP: "No, No, No. I said 'Let's all take it to the Vikes again' not' Let's all take 2 Vicoden!'"
If you are not getting paid and are ahead by huge numbers and you still leave all of your starters in, then you are running up the score.
I don’t understand what money has to do with it. Many college players are compensated also in the form of a scholarship.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
Because not too many college players get "fired" for playing poorly
That is my reasoning behind it. For the paid players, it is their job to play defense. If they play poorly, they get let go, see HWSNBN for proof…
SP: "No, No, No. I said 'Let's all take it to the Vikes again' not' Let's all take 2 Vicoden!'"
HWSNBN was a defensive player. I seriously doubt anyone ever accused him of running up the score.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
I understand what you’re saying, as far as nothing to lose goes. I just don’t think any offensive player’s tenure would be in jeopardy, should his team blow a big lead as a result of conservative play calling. The only possible exception being Payton Manning, and it would take an awful lot of blown games for him to get the axe. Otherwise, the coaching staff would be the ones whose jobs were on the line and they get paid at both levels of play. Defensive players are much more likely to be let go in situations like that, for not pulling their weight. Like I said, they’re more like victims of circumstance, though. It’s not their decision to put the brakes on on offense.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
In terms of play for pay, the only semi-logical angle there would be to assume that an OC is intentionally running up the score to protect the jobs of his defensive players. If that’s his premeditated disposition, wouldn’t the fairer and more sportsmanlike approach be to simply excuse the defensive player for failing based on the position you put him in? I mean, if the comeback was that off the charts, you’re about to losing your coaching job anyway. Man up.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
Care if I answer this? I'll only answer the ones I can.
1. Can’t say I’ve watched the Saints play much this year, but I consider Roman Harper your dirtiest player. I’m sure the Saints fans would agree with me. In Lambeau in week 1, it seemed like a pretty clean game to me.
2. Does not apply to me.
3. I wouldn’t think he’s better than Harper or Jenkins, but then again, not a Saints fan.
4. It doesn’t. LOL. Consider this: Players get paid based on performance. Also, if your team isn’t good enough to stop the other team in professional sports, then that’s really pathetic. I do believe in running the score up in college sports [ex: Alabama vs Georgia State], but not pro sports.
5. Yes.
6. Yes, I consider the Saints as one of the classier teams in the NFL. Drew Brees is probably the classiest player in the NFL.
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by arodgb on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nice, thanks for answering!
For #2 how would feel if it were your team?
by SarahT on Jan 4, 2012 9:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Probably not.
There’s something about being a fan of the Packers; I’m sure Saints fans who were fans before Katrina can sort of relate. The small market, the history/tradition.. Nah, it wouldn’t be the same. I’m sure I’d still be a fan, though, just not nearly as much as I am now.
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by arodgb on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My two cents
1) NO. I believe they are working on their physicallity. Dirty play is going for someone’s knees with an intent to injure them, or a cheap shot with an intent to injure. I’ll say that MalJenk plays it right up to the line, but nothing that every team doesn’t do. Big hits are what football is about (in my opinion). so in summary, big hits that aren’t intended to cheaply blow out an opponents knees are what the game is about.
2) NO. I was born and raised in La. The SAINTS represent my home, where I came from and what I am made of. No New Orleans, no me as a fan.
3) As a coach or a player? I would hope that he could share some of the benefits of his 15 years of experience as a coach and improve the performance on the field. As a player, if he still had anything in the tank, somebody probably would have picked him up by now…..
4) Running up the score is when you’re still scoring for no reason. Evaluating 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of a game with a lopsided score is a perfectly acceptable reason to continue aggressive play calling, especially in preseason. Beyond that, it’s hard to envision on the professional level, I think I would reserve “running up the score” for high school and below. It clearly doesn’t exist in college football lol
5) I would be OK with it. The dedication, determination, and persistence that it would take to make it to that level would serve him well for later in life (provided that I am successful in teaching him the basic life skills that are required to be a decent human being regardless of your profession).
6) Classy? I would say that they have character. That is more important, IMHO. The never say die, no obstacle is insurmountable attitude.
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WHO DAT?!
TWO DAT!!
1. I don’t see any true evidence as to where the Saints are considered as dirty players. To me dirty play is when the obvious happens right in front of the official such as, raising up your leg and purposely stomping on a players hand while he is on the ground, punching someone in the croutch, etc. The coaches for these players are at fault probably more than the players are.
2. If it’s a City or Town in Louisiana, I would definitely remain a fan. If they move, it wouldn’t be the same. I was born and raised in Louisiana and my team would have to play in Louisiana. I used to love the Jazz, but once they moved to Utah, I stopped watching Pro Basketball altogether.
3. I don’t think Sharp would have improved our turn over ratio. But, maybe he would have motivated others on the team to do so just by him being on the team with all of his knowledge of the game.
4. In the NFL, to me there is no such thing as running up the score. There are certain fans and so called football experts that come up with this crap. The real experts though say this is all bull. Honestly, I never used to hear running up the score until recently since the Saints have been piling points on the board and I’ve been a Saints fan for 41 years. There is a thing called jealousy though.
5. I may give my son a bit of advice in choosing his career, but that will be mainly his decision. Now, if he is good enough to be in the NFL and knows for sure he can get a spot, he may want to really consider playing while he’s young, then continue with another career after his NFL days. Yes, I’d be for it.
6. I consider them very classy for what they do off the field and consider them classy on the field as well. But I think the bulk of the classiness starts with the ownership, general manager, and the head coach. These players talk with alot of respect and seem to be very well diciplined and to me that shows the class of this whole organization.
Very well stated Tommy
6. I consider them very classy for what they do off the field and consider them classy on the field as well. But I think the bulk of the classiness starts with the ownership, general manager, and the head coach. These players talk with alot of respect and seem to be very well diciplined and to me that shows the class of this whole organization.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 5, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks cajuncommando58.
That’s why a team like the Jets will never amount to much, unless they start making changes in the organization. The Lions head coach reminds me of Rex Ryan and I wouldn’t be surprised if they start going downhill next year. The attitude has to change.
Honestly, I never used to hear running up the score until recently since the Saints have been piling points on the board and I’ve been a Saints fan for 41 years.
You must not have watched many Rams press conferences circa 1999. Mike Martz was routinely questioned for doing the same thing.
"I don’t intend to draw any conclusions from any single game." -Brian Burke
"I will now attempt to exclude specific large amounts of TOP from the totals of winning teams, in order to prove that TOP doesn't contribute to winning." -Dr. Jeremy Arkes
Good Point about Martz
swing passes to Faulk and deep outs to Holt and Bruce, even when they’re up multiple scores. Not running enough, ultimately forced him to resign in Chicago.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
OK, totally off topic, but man, girl, do you change your profile picture every other day? Seems like it.
Not me
I have had the same one with a pink shirt on since I went to New Orleans at the end of October. I just charged it to a new one yesterday. Maybe you were thinking of Kat?
Since you asked
1) The Saints play with a higher intensity than a lot of teams so they may appear to be overly aggressive at times. They play by the rules.
2) I was born in and have been in Louisiana all of my life as have/were the Saints. My mind can no more begin to process the concept of the Saints leaving as it could the possiblity of my moving to Atlanta. These are like dark hidden thoughts that should never be spoken of.
3) Time and gravity eventually effect us all. Thanks for your contribution. Have a nice life.
4) This is Pro football and they are paid to produce at their maximum just as we are expected to do in our daily work. This is not Tee ball, nor school sponsored sports. They are not playing for self esteem or inclusion or for fun. They are being paid so there is no running up the score in proffessional sports. West Virginia in the Orange Bowl may be an example of running up the score, but they are not paid pros.
5) You can only advise your kids and ultimately support them in their choices. Yes.
6) There are all kind of class from low to high and everything in between. Collectively as a team they they carry themselves well. As individuals some stand out above others however they are for the most part (publically) humble and keep the trash talk and self promotion concealed if there is any. They are certainly way above your average NBA player.
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading" Henny Youngman
Here are my answers...
1. No the Saints do not play dirty. “Dirty” has a malicious intent attached to it and i have not seen any evidence of that by saints players. Dirty, would be willfully engaging in any action that would hurt another player or coerce him into acting out in a way that he would not have otherwise. Example: spitting on another player, kicking someone in the groin, Basically, doing anything that would generate a fight or get a penalty at a critical time, etc.
2. If the Saints were moved to another city would you still be a die hard fan?
Good question. I AM A SEATTLE SUPERSONICS FAN!!! Even though they only exist in my memory. I have NEVER been able to get on board with OKC Thunder. I think I would still be a fan i love the state, but i have no ties to it other than the Saints. If they moved and changed their name ala the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens….then no.
3. If Darren Sharper were still around do you believe our turnover ration would be better than it is right now?
No, dude retired for a reason.
4. Under what circumstances is a team “running up the score”, if you believe it exists at all?
I have no answer for this other than to say, I’d know it if i saw it. Here is an example: Imagine Dwight Howard being substituted into a freshman high school basketball game even though his team is up 40 points then his team starts throwing ally-oop passes to him. I know that is an extreme example, but i’m sure there exists a more realistic example. Brees breaking Marino’s record on Monday night does not qualify.
5. Taking into consideration that most players are not stars, have very short careers, are traded multiple times, do not make millions of dollars and are likely to face injuries which may be life threatening, would you be okay with your son playing in the NFL?
Yes, as long as he has a back-up plan.
6. Do you consider the Saints classy? :)
Yes, i do. every team has its secrets and scandals, but the Saints appear to do a good job of keeping the ship on the right course and maintaining a certain degree of tranparency. Please see Joe Vitt and the Vicodin investigation.

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