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Da Chronic's Got Talent: Candidate Part Deux

We're moving right along in our search for fresh new front page talent here on Canal Street Chronicles, to make the best Saints blog on the net even better.

In case you missed the introduction to our little talent search here, be sure to read it first before continuing. Remember, any and all criticism must be 100% constructive and positive in nature. Keep Da Chronic classy!

Please welcome the next contestant of Da Chronic's Got Talent! S/he is willing to contribute as much as once a week.

Star-divide

Im writing this as pure speculation, obviously. It's a mish-mash of what I think will happen and what I would like to see happen. Salary Cap is hard to keep track of since the Saints don't know what certain players will get. I will try my best to keep it realistic.

Estimated Salary Cap - $121 Million

Current Salary spent - $94 Million

Offense

QB- We have the biggest, most important person to resign. He will be back, and will probably garner a $15-20 Million/per year contract. Meaning, if you take a middle road and say $17 Million, the Saints have $11 Million free to spend. Offer Chase Daniel a structured deal but at a conservative figure.

RB- The Saints have 4 RBs under contract for next year, all of them pretty good, so thats a good thing.

FB- Jed Collins had a very good year and will be back.

WR- Marques Colston is 3rd on my list of Free Agents that need to be resigned. In 2008, he signed a 3 yr/$8 Million contract. With his knee questions still lingering, I would expect a similar contract this go around as well. Something like 3 yr/$10 Million should keep him, and that would leave us with around $7 Million in free space. I think Robert Meachem walks and the Saints will let Joe Morgan step up and have his shot, the guy is faster than Meachem anyways.

TE- The Saints have arguably the best TE in the game under contract, I dont expect him to demand a new deal just yet, but maybe next off season the Saints can give him the big money. The Saints have our backups under contract too. I wouldnt be surprised to see David Thomas cut, freeing up around $1.7 Million.

OT- Bushrod and Strief are under contract for next season. Both do their job reasonably well for the money they make.

G- Carl Nicks, the 2nd most valuable Free Agent for this off season, will demand top money, somewhere around $8 Million/year is the number ive seen. I fully expect the FO to give it to him, no questions asked. Nicks and Evans form the best Guard duo in the league. With his contract, the Saints are now $1 Million over.

C- De la Puente did a fine job this year, in my opinion. He's cheap and was thrown in there when Kreutz retired.


Defense

DL- Will Smith, in most opinions, will be released. This will free up around $10 Million. Franklin and Rogers will also be shown the door in all likelyhood. The Saints need to find some legitimate pass rushers for SpagNOLA, and I think Cliff Avril from DET would not only be attainable for a decent price, but he could be that outside rush that the Saints had in 2009 with McCray and Hargrove. He made $2.6 Million this past year, so I could see us giving him a 3 yr/$12 Million dollar deal. Calais Campbell is a name that jumps out at me. He was in the final year of his rookie contract this year. I say give him a contract of about 4 yr/$20 Million and solidify our pass rush. Move Cam Jordan inside, which he has the size for, and hope Sed Ellis steps his game up. Greg Romeus is a sleeper, if he comes in fully healthy and ready to go, he could easily be a beast on the outside.

LB- Vilma seems to be thought of as history, so if that happens, the Saints would free up around $6.5 Million in cap space. A name that jumps out at me off the FA list is Curtis Lofton. The Saints have seen many Saints leave and go to ATL, could the Saints possibly convince Curtis to come to NO? He is coming out of his rookie contract and will probably look to make big money, so lets give it to him, 5 yr/$35 Million. I could see Shanle being let go, and Spags bringing in Poppinga from STL to replace him. Poppinga basically does the same job as Shanle, except he does it for around a Million less than him. I would love to see Martez Wilson as our Will backer next season, and let Poppinga and Dunbar battle it out for the Strong side backer.

CB- I, along with pretty much everyone else, expect Porter to be gone next year. He wasnt himself this year. Definitely not the playmaker we saw in 2009. I think someone who could come in and play the nickel/dime packages well and also could help give Sproles a break in the return game is Will Blackmon. He is cheap, at $685K this past year,so I think the Saints could sign him for around $800K. Greer and PRob will in all likelyhood be our starting CB next year with Johnny Patrick and Blackmon rotating around the secondary.

S- A position the Saints are set at for the near future, with Jenkins at FS and Harper locked into a heavy contract at SS. Hopefully Jenkins bounces back from a down year and shows the playmaking ability we know he has, and Harper just stays at his level of SS play. Quddus and Amaya provide decent depth behind them.

ST- I expect Kasay to retire this offseason, and Hartley to come back and be our guy. Morstead is the best P in the game, in my opinion, along with his strong foot in the Kick Off game.

After all is said and done, the Saints would be around $1 Million under the cap with the moves I made and I think the Saints would be in a better position than last year.


This would be our depth chart:

Offense

QB- Brees, Daniel

RB- Thomas, Sproles, Ivory

FB- Jed

WR1-Colston, Devery, Morgan

WR2-Arrington, Moore, Roby

TE- Graham, Higgins, Gilmore

LOT- Bushrod, McQuistan

LG-Nicks, Olsen

C- De la Puente, Tennant

RG- Evans, Olsen

ROT- Strief, McQuistan

Defense

LDE- Avril, Romeus, Charleston

LDT- Jordan, Johnson

RDT- Ellis, Johnson

RDE- Campbell, Galette, McBride

WLB- Wilson, Bussey

MLB- Lofton, Humber

SLB- Dunbar, Poppinga

CB- Greer, PRob, Patrick, Blackmon

FS- Jenkins, Quddus

SS- Harper, Amaya

Special Teams-

K- Hartley

P- Morstead

KO- Morstead

LS- Tennant

KR- Blackmon, Sproles

PR- Blackmon, Sproles

Holder- Daniel

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Are we supposed to discuss the actual CONTENT of the posts

…as though they were posts, rather than auditions?

Because I thought this was unusually thorough, well-thought out, clearly expressed…a winner in every way. I just disagree with some of the points made.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Jan 27, 2012 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

I guess it depends on whether you prefer fact or fiction

When it comes to the Saints, I prefer facts coming from columnists. The readers can supply all of the conjecture and suppositions.

by canu2u on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Good question...

I would say NOT to judge on content alone, because many times that can be subjective, though it can certainly be taken into account. If the content sparks a good debate, I would say that’s a plus.

I would also be taking a hard look at writing quality and originality of content. But that’s just me.

The real question should be: do I want to read more from this person on a regular or semi-regular basis?

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by Dave Cariello on Jan 27, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

But that's not my point

I’m not wondering if we should take the content into consideration when judging…I’m asking if we can debate the content, aside from making a judgment on the worthiness of the writer.

I know you want to keep things positive…and I’m not saying I think the writer’s a blithering idiot for making certain points. Far from it. But I still disagree, and any kind of disagreement can be construed as negative. I don’t want to end up like Stu.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Jan 27, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Debate away!

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by Dave Cariello on Jan 27, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I really like the article...

The numbers are dealt with realistically and seeing some discussion about key defensive free agents has me salivating. And seeing somebody bring up Calais Campbell and Cliff Avril really made me happy…now if only the FO is thinking in this direction…

by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 27, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions  

A lot of information here. These kinds of posts always start some quality discussions. I vote yes even though I disagree with some of the points made.

"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.

by VAsaintsfan on Jan 27, 2012 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

Voted yes and agree with you about some points.

Member of the WHO DAT NATION!
Another SAINTS fan in Panther country!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!

by SAINTSfaninNC on Jan 27, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Needs a title

or an intro paragraph summarizing what’s about to be analyzed. Other than that, it’s good and very informative.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 27, 2012 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

I think I liked it...

Anytime you talk about roster possibilities I think you stir the pot a little. Everyone is going to have their own opinions and sometimes they clash.I can remember arguing with someone over the CSC Fantasy Roster Draft this summer! It was fantasy and we were arguing! Anyway, I think it’s tough to judge from this article. I would love to see a follow up article.

Also – I might add that this new roster doesn’t have Mark Ingram on it!!!!! He is going to be a stud next year I think.

by BASAINT on Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

Proofreading can really tighten up an article, and should normally be expected of a masthead writer.

But then again, Dizzy Dean was the CBS baseball announcer for a looooong time.

The discussion says keep all 4 running backs, the depth chart omits Ingram.

RIP Stujo

by Ship on Jan 27, 2012 12:45 PM CST reply actions  

How do you guys think we go about this RB situation next season?

Thomas and Sproles are obviously in do to their more unique skill sets, but what do we do with Ivory and Ingram? Dressing 4 RBs on a consistent basis obviously isn’t the answer. I would argue that Ivory played better than Ingram this year…. but I think Ingram has more to offer in the longer term, meaning he potentially has a higher ceiling. I still think Ivory is a very good downhill runner who is very productive with his touches. We won’t get rid of Ingram due to spending a first rounder on him and because we have only seen half a season from him, so what do we do with Ivory? Any thoughts?

by daisy117 on Jan 27, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

don't need to do anything, but let it all play out..

look at how the season ended.. after all the precautions we took, to fortify the RB core.. what happened..? boom we lost one right at the end.. & another on the 2nd playoff game.. had we won the SF game, pierre could not have been active for the next game.. so we would have been scrambling for a replacement guy..
payton lets it all play out in camp.. if ivory outplays ingram.. he plays.. he’s done it before.. 1st round pick given up and all, he’s looking at production.. unlike many may think.. the saints do acknowledge their errors.. not by saying: “oh god we messed up..” but by correcting with actions..

by the 9th plague on Jan 27, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

but by correcting with actions

I wish Les Miles would take that approach.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

hehehehe

"Move over Marino, there's a new Brees coming through town!"-Jim Henderson

by BRSaintsFan on Jan 28, 2012 3:34 AM CST up reply actions  

It depends on what happens leading up to the draft

RB is the one area where we have extremely deep depth and you could make an argument that Ivory, Thomas, or Ingram could be the work horse starting running back on a number of different teams. It really depends on if any teams show interest in any of them leading up to the draft. Ingram isn’t going anywhere. Ivory’s injury history has damaged his trade value. Sproles might find himself retiring as a Saint if he continues this level of play during his current contract. Thomas has the highest possibility of being traded. I’m not saying it will happen or I want it to happen but your question might be answered well before the start of training camp.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Jan 27, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

an article that brings some arguable points.. even if is is just a test..

cannot go unchallenged.. it would be a waste of intellect..

i liked the way it was written.. to the point & the figures were pretty accurate, to the best of my knowledge.. although there were some omissions on the roster and some unsigned free agents’ situations were not disclosed..

that being said.. i can’t agree with some ideas that i’m confident will come to pass with our new direction on defense.. the most glaring are:

harper will not remain in the same role.. he cannot.. don’t know what we’ll do with him.. but we will need to find a 2nd safety to play along jenkins.. in spags world, the safeties are inter-changeable.. they shell-cover, help outside & take the deep routes in the middle of the field..

getting a free agent LB for 7 mill after cutting the 6.5 mill leader of your defense doesn’t make any sense.. drafting a prospect would be a more reasonable approach.. we are going to need LBs than can zone cover a TE.. zone being one takes him 1st with a press cover & passes him to the next LB.. not easy to do.. these LB will have to be responsible for run gaps, too.. so they can’t be just converted defensive backs (chiao harper..)

the defensive tackle needs to be 1st and foremost stout against the run.. it does not do you any good to improve you passing defense if you are going to compromise the run front.. the guys that the writer is proposing are smallish.. & not true run gobblers.. we will need to re-evaluate aubrayo or get a guy(s) to get the job done..

by the 9th plague on Jan 27, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with pretty much everything except....

I wouldn’t necessarily say that Jed Collins had a very good year. He had his moments fighting for yardage and blocking but I think his multi game streak of penalties overshadowed his minor successes.

I think Colston will want more money than the post suggested. Teams will overpay for him and he has to sign one last big deal before his career goes into the twilight era. He already has a championship ring so I believe he will take more money over playing for a championship caliber team.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Jan 27, 2012 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

He had two games with some bonehead penalties..

And one game with a questionable penalty call. Over all I would say he was a good/big addition last year.

Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!

by cajuncommando58 on Jan 27, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, but absolutely not

I have no idea who wrote this. It was very well-written. No doubt whomever wrote it is a dedicated fan, a nice person overall, probably a very intelligent person in general, and a solid commenter on the site.

But the article also was, unfortunately, completely baseless, totally inaccurate, and ludicrously pointless.

You simply can NOT discuss who you are going to keep or cut or get outside in free agency with this person’s apparent complete lack of understanding of the cap. Nor can you do it without some clue about what kind of offers to make to free agents. Nor can you do it without even bothering to do the simplest level of research as to how much money would be saved on the cap by releasing a player.

Now you don’t need to be Mickey Loomis or some sort of expert. (Although I’d love some help in educating the rest of y’all about it. Maybe you can find somebody to help me Dave?) But at a bare minimum you do have to realize that the first year contract is NEVER going to have the same cap number as their actual average, thanks to the way the prorating of signing bonuses works. Last night I eviscerated Yasinkas for his ludicrous thinking that Drew’s salary cap number on an actual contract (not just the tag) would be 15 million… when the tag is 14.4. Yeah, Loomis is going to be stupid enough to sign Drew to a contract that raises his cap number. Right. Whatever. Drew may well make 17 or even 18+ million a year, but he won’t have a cap number remotely that high. List me if you want pizza, I’ll flat out guarantee that if they can’t get it down to 12 (and extremely likely 10 or less) there won’t be a long-term contract. It will either be franchise tag, trade, or bye-bye.

And you have to understand that the odds of a 26-year-old player looking for his first free agency contract leaving his old team for barely a 50% raise are practically nonexistent, unless he’s such garbage that his old team simply doesn’t want him anymore. You simply can not pretend there is any chance of luring Avril form Detroit for $4 million a year. He’s one of the top DEs on the market, easily at least top-5 and arguably #2 or #3. At the very least he is an A player, maybe even an A+, certainly at least as a pass rusher (he is considered a liability against the run though). Still, considering how desperate nearly everybody is for pass rushers, and considering that a 27-year old only slightly above average DE (Smith) got 10 million a year, I will flat guarantee there is no way he makes less than 7 million a year on his new contract, and I would be flat shocked if it’s less than 10. Now his first year cap number might be as low as 4 or close, but his average salary will be WAY more.

I would love if we could get Avril or Williams or some other A+ player, and with a properly structured contract it’s at least theoretically possible. But to think we could offer them or anybody like them 3yr/$12mil is just ludicrous.

As for freeing money on the cap, it’s impossible to be completely precise unless you are a lawyer who knows how to read the contract (and has access to them as well), but you can at least be in the vicinity. Rotoworld, wikipedia, and multiple other places have usually very accurate contract info available for everybody to peruse. This person needs to look this stuff up. Smith at absolute most will save us $7 million, and that’s assuming there isn’t a single penny of prorated signing bonus left to worry about. In reality, he’d probably only save us $3 million… or perhaps even less.

If the person involved wants to try again after having learned these critical lessons, I would welcome it. As I said at the start, its also obvious this is a dedicated fan who — despite his abysmal understanding of the cap and free agency — is no doubt otherwise probably quite smart and cares deeply about the Saints. But right now, this is Bleacher Report material. It’s total manure with no basis in reality and no educational potential for its readers.

by FriarBob on Jan 27, 2012 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

I was thinking that you were the author due to the topic, lol

I didn’t question any of the numbers in the post for that reason. I guess I need to be more careful next time.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Jan 27, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

Yes sir we want the ball...

by bondcrash on Jan 27, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, Friar "Tuck" Bob just killed it!

Well put FriarBob, even though I thought the writing was kind of original, actually listing a new roster with potential free agents already considered Saints!

The numbers, though, looked a bit loosely thrown out there

I voted that I was undecided and needed to see more!

Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!

by Stilljreming on Jan 27, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

"Bleacher Report material"

Ow. I wasn’t going to be that negative.

I’ll say this: I would be ecstatic if we could get EITHER Lofton or Avril or Campbell. Getting all three, and getting them on the cheap…well, you might as well throw in the Swedish bikini team while you’re at it, because that’s pure fantasy.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Jan 27, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa!

I understand the disagreement but dang!

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Jan 27, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

damn thats harsh.

glad i voted to keep this person

--- I don't miss the alcohol as much as I miss having the built in reason on why I'm nekkid in public.
--- I used to want to be an inspiration to my son. now i just hope to be a dire warning.
--- just two men and a dog making candles
--- I know i'll win my battles though i fear we'll lose the war
--- if you find yourself in a fair fight you failed in planning.

by maybetoday on Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

actually he is right on the mark

I stopped reading the article in the middle.

"So I'll leave you with this. And I say this with all sincerity, right from the bottom of my heart, and with all due respect: Lick my balls." Grandmaster Wang

by DrWhoDat on Jan 28, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

i liked it.

i like the opinion pieces and this is one.

--- I don't miss the alcohol as much as I miss having the built in reason on why I'm nekkid in public.
--- I used to want to be an inspiration to my son. now i just hope to be a dire warning.
--- just two men and a dog making candles
--- I know i'll win my battles though i fear we'll lose the war
--- if you find yourself in a fair fight you failed in planning.

by maybetoday on Jan 28, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Realistically, I completely agree. Theoretically, it could happen. We’d be screaming bloody murder over it, but it’s still theoretically possible.

by FriarBob on Jan 27, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Friar Bob just entered...

Judging by the response, I think you just entered into the contest…lol.

xSTUNTAx

by Adesola Badon on Jan 27, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

I voted No

S/he left Mark Ingram off of the depth chart and the discussion – a big content miss in my opinion.

by WhoDatUpInYa on Jan 27, 2012 3:16 PM CST reply actions  

Need more to judge

I would have liked to see better grammar editing, but the content was good. A little bit more research and fact finding and it would have been an excellent article.

by Saintsfan75 on Jan 27, 2012 6:14 PM CST reply actions  

not a bad read

but I agree with some other posters, fanpost material at best on this one due to the lack of knowledge of the topic and/or research/facts to back up the talking points. That being said, again it wasn’t a bad opinion read. I think that just about everyone is trying to predict what the lineup will be next season and it’s very possible that one of those big guards up front is gone and we suddenly have a 1st round pick. I voted need to see more.

The problem in the world today is communication. Too much communication. - Homer Simpson

by WestBank on Jan 27, 2012 6:46 PM CST reply actions  

I don't see Arrington being ahead of Moore on the depth chart

I agree with most ofthe content. It was fairly well written, maybe needs a tiny bit of polish here and there. Not sure if Amaya is good enough as a backup. But that’s a small issue. Also, I would love to see Dave Thomas back if he gets baack to the 2009 level, but it is true he may not be back if Higginsd has pronmise. When Thomas is on his game he adds a lot.

Cam Jordan inside- maybe not quite big enough. Cliff Avriil and Calais Campbell? Is that really better than Smith/ Jordan? Maybe with Spags it could be.

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by Philinwood on Jan 28, 2012 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

If Colston only gets 3 yrs/10 million he should fire his agent and then sue him. He might not get huge long term money (I think he will. I’ve changed my mind on that). He’ll get at least 6 million a year even if it’s only short term deal. Shaun Rogers got 4 million

Some WR desperate team will emerge if Colston is available and pay him a @#%& load. I’m looking at you 49ers.

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by Malbrough on Jan 28, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

i think colston's could take the longest..

he will demand a 4 year deal, due to his position.. he will not settle for a 2 year deal..
an incentive strengthened contract with 7 guaranteed may do the trick..

on the other hand.. putting the tag on nicks would mean throwing around 10 on his lap, but would get us off the hook for this year..

i fully expect (even though friarbob doesn’t think so) that brees will have a user friendly contract with around 15 guaranteed but increasing overall so to make comparable with brady’s..
the saints know they can’t bargain to less than 15 or so..

by the 9th plague on Jan 28, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

those 3 contracts alone would put us at 127 or so.. (over the cap)

so we will have to trim plenty fat if we want to sign any draft picks or the 2-3 defensive players that are also FAs..
(oh.. $h!t..)

by the 9th plague on Jan 28, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

i fully expect (even though friarbob doesn’t think so) that brees will have a user friendly contract with around 15 guaranteed but increasing overall so to make comparable with brady’s..

Well I think he will at least have a cap-friendly contract, so I wouldn’t say we truly disagree there. Phrasing may be slightly different but the general concept we agree on.

But obviously you just don’t understand how the cap works, because the rest we don’t merely disagree, no I can flat guarantee you’re wrong. There is no way in hell you can give an elite QB only 15 million guaranteed. His guarantee will almost certainly be at least twice that. Hell his signing bonus may be even more than twice that, and signing bonuses are part of the guaranteed money, so his guarantee could easily be three times that or more.

Or if you are misusing the word guarantee as “cap number”, then again you’re wrong. Mickey is simply not stupid enough to sign him to a deal in which his cap number goes up from the 14.4 it would take to just franchise-tag him. Flat out guarantee, there is zero chance the first year cap number will be 15 million.

Beyond that, who knows? I’ve already spent way too much time in the last few days detailing the possibilities to you and ME and Yasinkas and others, so I won’t repeat myself on that… at least not at this time…

by FriarBob on Jan 28, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

simply meant guaranteed on the 1st year..

yes.. i guess that would be called cap number.. i’m just thinking they’ll escalate that to complete the 80 or 90 or so that the contract may be worth, as a whole with the guaranteed overall money being whatever they gave brady..
the 14.4 does not save you the nicks full contract.. only buys you another year saving 600 grand.. very little in practical terms..
frankly i’d rather “distract” nicks than brees.. the sooner we get the QB contracted the better..
nicks could always be tagged again next year if needed..
that’s all i meant.. & think i got the numbers right..

by the 9th plague on Jan 28, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

True. But what I’m trying to help you see is that Evans had a cap number of roughly 5 million in the first two years of a 7 year contract. So while you’re completely right on the idea of “back-loading” the cap-hit, there are so many ways to do it that you can get a LOT lower cap number if you are just a tiny bit creative.

My predictions, and then I’m leaving the cap-professor role for now:

Drew: 5+years / 17+ yearly average / 50+ million first three years / ~9 million cap hit in 2012, ~12 million for 2013, ~30 in 2014
Nicks: 7 years / 58-60 million (slight increase on Evans) / 30+ million first three years / 5 million cap hit in 2012/2013
Colston: lost to a higher bidder.
Meachem: thanks to his first round contract he’s already got a fair bit of money in the bank. I think he’d be willing to consider taking 5yrs and somewhere around/between 25-35 million to stay. Probably ~3 million 2012 cap hit.

This leaves somewhere around 7 million in cap space for whatever other moves we want to try to make (including our draft picks, but they come pretty cheap these days, especially without a first rounder).

by FriarBob on Jan 29, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

why not tag colston.. then..?

would “only” cost you 9.8 (ha ha..) you can either get him under contract next off season or tag him again (the 2nd time will cost a lot more) similar to what SD did with v. jackson..
we would be over the cap.. so let the trimming begin.. but i think we need it.. even is the cap impact is not great the numbers added would get us under the cap with 4-5 trims.. (that may be painful, for what they have meant to the club..) smith, vilma, harper, ellis.. may be candidates to the ax.. they may not even fit that well in spags scheme, anyway.. (i’ve been saying that..)

by the 9th plague on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

& i'd much rather keep the steady 6,000+ yard guy..

that all he does is gets 1st downs, than the deep threat, erratic player that makes 10 plays a year and runs out of bounds after a 5 yard gain.. (little “allergic” to contact, imo..)
franchise colston.. & let meach walk.. if we are under the cap, sign whatever else we can on defense.. we need to address the DTs mostly..
if we are over the cap.. trim away until you get under.. it’s the only way.. (we do have some dead-weights)

by the 9th plague on Jan 29, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Why

dont you get off your high horse, man.
We get it, you understand the salary cap.

The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb

by Tim Goad on Jan 29, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry if I sound like that. What I’m intending to is educate you guys. Trust me. It’s a pain to learn this stuff, but once you do a TON of Mickey’s moves will make a LOT more sense.

by FriarBob on Jan 29, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I still don't...

But thanks for educating us FriarBob.

Repeat? Run it!

by FrenchFreak on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Ralph, I do hope Colston stays but I have to agree that it’s unlikely. There are too many other teams who will pay through the nose for him, and this is his first true shot at free agency. Plus with his surgery history, he’s not going to get two or three more bites at the apple. This is his one true chance to land the kind of money that could (if properly managed) keep his grandchildren in good schools and such, so he’ll take whatever he can get.

If it’s purely money, though, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in St. Louis. They need something like three new WRs there, and they have tons of cap space and an owner who has money to spend. Colston would be a huge help for Bradford and would give the locals a “underdog who made good” story to get them behind the team.

by FriarBob on Jan 28, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Although that would be great. Niners need a speedy guy with hands too.

Haters gon' hate...

by TAYDIGGA on Feb 1, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nicely written article

But where is Ingram on the depth chart
I think Ivory gets traded

by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:56 AM CST reply actions  

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