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Expendable?

Well, it's that time of year again when the tough decisions must be made rather we like it or not. Players come and players go. I always try not to get too emotionally attached to an individual player and look at what is best for the team. It makes it much easier to hold players accountable in that regard and to not defend them for past accomplishments alone. This holds even more true if their recent contributions might be less than positive or maybe an outright liability to the team. So with that in mind, I ask you.....Who is currently expendable on the roster?

Some could make a case for quite a few of our players who might not deserve a roster spot or that we could easily "upgrade." Some players could be used as "trade bait" to try and move up in the draft while others might feel they are worth more money than we will be willing to offer them. First, I'd like to look at players whose roster spot might not be "set in stone"......

Expendable

David Thomas (TE) I like David Thomas and he is a good tight end. He signed a 3-year 5.5 million dollar deal in 2011 and it seemed as he would be around for the foreseeable future. Sadly he dealt with concussion problems all year long and 2011 was pretty much a lost season for him. Seeing that our depth at TE was tested this season, I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints target a TE in the later rounds of the draft. Thomas could find himself having some competition as the number two tight end.

Devery Henderson (WR) Another sub-par season for Devery and I think I have seen enough. His long yardage catch every 4 or 5 games does not justify him having a roster spot and I think we could definitely upgrade at his spot. Devery disappears for large portions of the season and it seems like right around the time everyone has forgotten about him, he makes a long yardage catch to remind us that he does exist. He is coming into a contract year in 2012.

Scott Shanle (LB) What can I say about Mr. Shanle that hasn't already been said? He knows the system and that is about the only good thing I can say. He is slow, non-athletic and should have been given his walking papers before this season even started......he was given a two year contract instead. His contributions might be the most easily replaced out of any player on this list.

Trade Bait

We need to move up in the draft. It makes me sick to start picking at the end of the second round. There are a lot of players that aren't gonna be on the board that we could utilize greatly. We dont even have to trade back into the first round but we need to start our draft higher than where we currently sit. Also, I don't like the idea of trading second round picks with someone so I didn't even consider that scenario. I think we need to keep our current pick and add a higher one. So, I now introduce my picks for trade bait.......

Pierre Thomas (RB) Pierre is our number one player who fits the "trade bait" label. I love PT and I really don't want to see him go anywhere but I want to do what is best for the team overall. Losing PT will hurt us but with our depth at running back.....it won't hurt us a greatly as losing a player at another position. We are 4 deep at running back and I think Ivory did more than enough to get the job done late in the season. Ivory isn't gonna have much trade potential due to his injury history. PT could be the number one running back on quite a few teams and I have no doubt that someone would give up a second round pick for him. Spending that first round pick on Ingram made it clear that he was the future at RB and sadly....made PT expendable.

Sedrick Ellis (DT) Ellis has never lived up to his 7th overall draft pick status. He has not proven anything other than being an average DT at the least and a "solid" performer at best. I think we could find someone else to replace him and get similar production at possibly a cheaper cost. I don't think a team would give up a second round pick for him unless they were completely desperate. Although I can definitely see him being used as "trade bait" if another team would be willing to give up to a second rounder in a packaged deal that also includes one of our later picks or another player. As long as we would be able to keep our current second round pick....I would be okay with that scenario.

Roman Harper (SS) I don't have a problem with Harper like some other fans do. I think he is what he is and I don't know why people get upset when he fails at doing something that he was never good at to begin with. It isn't his fault that he was constantly put into position to cover someone man to man. The guy is a hard hitter, a run stuffer, and is pretty good at getting to the quarterback. I think he has more trade value than some people might think. I think he can have success if you don't put him in the position to fail. I really don't want to to trade him because we really don't have anyone else that can take his place. Yeah, we probably could sign a better cover SS in FA but we would be losing all the other things he is good at which I mentioned above. I could see someone giving up to a second round pick for him in a packaged deal.

Free Agents

So now we are left with players whose contracts are up and I feel like we shouldn't resign. I'm tempted to put Colston on this list just because I think spending the amount of money he is gonna want would do more harm to the team than good. I do not want to lose him and I am fine with overpaying for him a little as long as it is realistic. It is really up to him and the ball is squarely in his court. Before I am chased with pitchforks for even mentioning letting Colston walk, in my defense, I am just being realistic. A bad team will offer him more money than we will.

Robert Meachem (WR) You all know I don't like him and I feel like we could've used that first round pick on a LB (Posluszny was available). He hasn't lived up to expectations and he has been outplayed by UDFA Lance Moore. He disappears for weeks at a time and might be good for 1 or 2 games a year. He doesn't fight for yardage, is scared to take a hit, and constantly runs out of bounds. Just like Devery, he reappears just when everyone forgot he existed. We can find an upgrade at his spot and might already have someone on the team that can do what we ask of him and might even do it better (Joe Morgan). Let another team overpay him for his speed and "veteran" status.

Tracy Porter (CB) He will always be a Saints legend. I doubt I would get any argument from anyone about that. I have several newspaper pictures of his 09 interceptions framed and hung on the wall in my living room. The guy "used" to be a great corner and I would have called you crazy two years ago if you told me in the near future I would be arguing not to resign him. But he has regressed dramatically and I now label him as a liability. He is not the same cornerback he was two years ago and I'm just guessing that his frequent injuries has something to do with it. Could he make a comeback? Of course he could but it is too risky in my opinion seeing that he has missed a total of 21 games in his 4 year career.

Shaun Rodgers and Abrayo Franklin (DT) Well.....I guess you could say they both didn't exactly "wow" anyone and you would figure they would be playing at their highest level seeing that they only signed one year deals. They were on a good team, playing for a title all year long, and this was a great chance for them both to audition for a long term deal either with us or another team. I know they both made a play on occasion but the one thing that jumps out in my mind is the monster hit that Rodgers put on Matt Stafford, which I guess you could say was meaningless in the bigger picture, but it was pretty fun to watch. I would not complain if we decided not to resign either of them but I would be okay with resigning one of them to another short deal. Maybe our new DC could work some magic.

So that's my thoughts. I hate to see players go but we all know it is inevitable and apart of the business of football. Sometimes the positive of losing a player far outweighs the negative. I hate to argue the release of a beloved player but it is necessary in some cases. I wish it didn't feel like betrayal though.

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Devery Henderson: Perhaps Devery is more valuable than people think. He doesn’t get targeted a whole lot; but his ability to command attention far downfield may be one of the key factors to the success of Colston and Moore underneath. It would be great to have a better receiver; but he’d have to fit the same mold: a fast field-stretcher, rather than another possession receiver.

Scott Shanle: You say that Shanle “knows the system.” Not anymore. Everyone is starting from zero. If Shanle wins a roster spot again, under his third Saints DC, I think it will be time to cut him some slack. But I don’t see that happening.

Pierre Thomas: If the Saints trade PT, I will personally…think of something very rude to say. And I’ll stomp my feet. A lot. And I will fax Mickey foot-stomping rudeness EVERY DAY for the rest of his life.

Sedrick Ellis: BING! “Big Sed” has never been really impressive. We paid far too high a draft price for him…but I don’t think anyone is going to be willing to give up anything close to the same price. He may have been an expensive first for us…but will trading him for a low fourth really do us any good (other than lowering the payroll, that is)? And what “package” including Ellis could possibly move us up far enough to snag a difference-maker, that wouldn’t also leave us with another gaping hole to fill?

Roman Harper: I don’t have a problem with Harper, either. Except that he’s a NCMF.

Robert Meachem: I’m afraid Meachem is gone. Too bad: the Meacharound is in the top 5 all-time great Saints plays. But I’d be sorrier if he’d lived up to his hype every game.

Tracy Porter: I’m afraid Porter is gone, too…and that’s too bad, because watching him run 75 yards in Miami was maybe the happiest 7 second of my life. (God, that’s pathetic…)

Rogers and Franklin: Who?

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

what "package" including Ellis could possibly move us up far enough to snag a difference-maker

I would be taking shots in the dark if I tried to come up with one. I’d have to wait until we got closer to the draft and look at who was released by other teams and who would be a candidate for his services before I could make a better argument. He has trade potential even if it is only that he is a young DT and he has been fairly consistent with his level of play. I think he can start on a lot of teams but he is never gonna be dominant.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Jan 31, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Ravens are unlikely to resign Lee Evans

Assuming he’s even remotely healthy, I think he’d be a good replacement for Meachem/Henderson.

by Jimbo03 on Feb 1, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Except for he can’t hold onto the catch at critical moments, he’s old and losing his speed, and he’s all about the money.

Three strikes and he’s out in my book.

by FriarBob on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

If the Saints trade PT, I will personally…think of something very rude to say. And I’ll stomp my feet. A lot. And I will fax Mickey foot-stomping rudeness EVERY DAY for the rest of his life.

What if it got us a guy who in two years is making Jason Pierre-Paul look like an average everyday joe? Would you forgive him then?

I’ll admit I’d still rather they didn’t trade him, but if we truly get an elite DE out of the deal, I’d more than forgive him.

by FriarBob on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

PT and Ivory are the odd men out. PT has more trade value considering Ivory wasn’t even trusted in the 49ers game after he fumbled (we ended up recovering it).

Ingram will be the grinder/short yardage situation while d.sproels will be used in the screen game (which i really enjoy PT do) and a change of pace back. Considering that were a pass first team I would rather use the money to sign nicks/colston instead of have a fourth reliable RB. If we could get anywhere near a JPP (hopefully in a year, not two) then…

by forrestgump52 on Feb 5, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

don't entirely disagree with your lineup..

the exceptions i would take would be:

-dave thomas.. if he recovers he’s way more versatile that any player we may be able to sign..
i don’t think it’s worth, at this stage of our offense to draft a prospect..

-devery.. he is valuable as an integral part of the offense.. in a year that we may more than likely lose meachum & possibly colston (god forbid..), some continuity for the receiving corp must be kept.. his blocking downfield is really unappreciated.. & his route running (always sharp and as designed, never lazy) opens a lot of stuff underneath for others..

-pierre.. some of the same reasons as devery.. adding his protection, interior running and passcatching (neither ivory nor ingram are even in the same ballpark, in catching screens ) his trade value would not be worth losing him..

-tracy porter.. gets the benefit of the doubt.. something has declined him physically.. mentally he appeared unfocused, also.. he needs to step it up & make an impression early in the new defensive regime, if he wants to stick..

-the conundrum of the DTs could be the biggest problem we face on defense..
we can’t seem to be able to find ellis’ partner in there.. don’t know enough or have enough film available to asses what the problem is.. maybe HE IS the problem, like you say..
i know this.. we still will need some beef in the middle.. can’t play without a big presence there.. an undersized converted DE or a practice squad guy are not gonna cut it..
so we may have to draft a DT, sign the better between aubrayo & rogers (don’t really know the difference, anybody..?) and keep ellis to see if spags can get him to play..

-i do not share your sentiments about harper.. i believe his cycle has ended, just like reggie’s ended a year ago.. he gave us what he had.. you are right, tho.. there may be some team that could want him.. it would help alleviate cap money..

-two big names you did not include, that are at the crossroads, imo.. are will smith & vilma..
can’t say how it may play out.. but if vilma cannot recover early enough, i believe he will be cut.. it would be painfull for what he’s meant to the club.. but i believe his dawn is coming..
smith may be a player that interests spags, on the other hand..
although he may become part of the trimming process we will be forced to do.. because of the cap and the costly FAs occurring at the same time..

by the 9th plague on Jan 31, 2012 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

-dave thomas.

I am actually worried about him recovering. If the concussion kept him out of just a couple games….I wouldn’t give it much thought, but it pretty much ended his season. History has taught us that once it gets to that point, that it is gonna be a recurring problem throughout his career.

will smith & vilma.
I’ve said previously I didn’t think Vilma would play out his current contract with us. I didn’t list him because I imagine he will be on the roster when the season starts. I agree with you that his time is short. I imagine there will be plenty of younger players nipping at his heels when training camp comes around. I’d like to think Spag will want to keep Smith seeing that he fits his system and that he is the only somewhat consistent lineman that we have unless he is a cap casualty like you mentioned.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Jan 31, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

The talk here in H-Town is the Texans are interested in both Colston and Meach

pairing with Andre Johnson as a no.2. But man I wanna keep Colston, that’s Drews’ security blanket.. As far as Dave Thomas goes, if he has to retire, TE Joel Dreessen (Texans) is available, good blocker, good hands. Get him, for 1or 2 yr deal, and maybe we can grab this kid (Next yrs draft) out of Rice U. a TE named Vance MacDonald, 6’5" 260 in the Brent Celek mold. If PT goes I’ll be very upset.
Our D is the issue, Spags will bring in his ideas, scheme, and he’ll want/dump certain personnel. Don’t know what the answer is, but up front pressure please!!! Porter meh, Shanle has some vet value, this is what off season is for.

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by metryman on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 AM CST reply actions  

Personally

I think Colston has too many drops.

He makes some big catches too and is a valuable player on the team, but I don’t think I’d call him Drew’s security blanket anymore. I think Graham stole the blankie from Colston while he was napping.

I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.

by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Out of Colston, Meachem, and Henderson

You can take it to the bank that two of them will be goners.

by JellyPhantom on Feb 1, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Devery is under contract

If we lose Meachem, we definitely need to keep Devery, since they perform the same role in the offense. (Unless, of course, someone comes along who beats him out in training camp.)

I think Meachem is gone; but I also think Mickey will do everything he can to keep Colston. One way or another, we need to have a legitimate #1 option, and that means paying the money.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

i will take it to the bank.. hope that jellymoney is good..

colston stays.. cause he is the most consistent pass catcher in out offense.. all he does is gets first downs.. he has the uncanny ability to play exactly the same every game.. that is huge..
& devery stays cause he does his job..

by the 9th plague on Feb 1, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

You beat me to posting this.

by Jimbo03 on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

True. But it’s not quite as shocking to see a foulclown DB swat the ball out of his hands. He does need to improve in that area.

Still, I really hope we can hang onto him. But if it came down to a choice between keeping Nicks or even keeping BOTH of the FA receivers, I still choose Nicks.

by FriarBob on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd
You notice it more when he drops a pass because it’s shocking.

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by cajuncommando58 on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

And usually it is a routine catch that he drops, while he makes almost all of the hard ones…

by BlackandGold4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

My wife has commented on this

She always hopes Drew throws it somewhere difficult, because then Marques looks like that old “Pick Me” commercial.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

One BIG issue with this

He led the NFC South with a 97.6 catch percentage.

“Catch Percentage – Percentage of passes intended for a specific receiver that are complete rather than incomplete or intercepted. "

He had 80 receptions during the regular season. That means he would have only dropped 2 passes all season. He dropped more than that in one game. The numbers are skewed, considerably.

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by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 1, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Charted another way

Here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

Colston has a 75% catch rate, which is better than any WR with over 35 targets. He’s good at catching the football. I suppose the difference has to do with what you call a target, which is pretty subjective.

Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?

by CoachOfEarl on Feb 2, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

as disclaimed on the "outsiders", catch rate is the number of completions..

average per target (thrown to) – not drops..
does not break down the percentage in defended passes, uncatchable passes, intercepted passes or drops..
regardless.. his percentage is good.. to say that he has too many drops cannot be true.. hoo-saint must have fresh in his mind a particular no-catch that’s bugging him (i can think of one, on the niners game down the center of the end zone..)

by the 9th plague on Feb 2, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

And that was my point

Looking at it in different ways, Colston is good at catching the football

Here’s another source: http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=WR and sort by CR%

Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?

by CoachOfEarl on Feb 2, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

It was painful to watch.

I will hold a grudge for another month or so. Don’t mind me.

I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.

by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 3, 2012 5:14 AM CST up reply actions  

And is it my imagination,

or do his drops tend to occur early in the game, like in his first 2-3 targets? Seems like once he gets into the flow of things, he becomes a much more reliable receiver.

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by Doc Boudin on Feb 3, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Scott Shanle

I disagree here. I think he is done well. He may not be a huge playmaker, but he also doesn’t make many mistakes. He’s slow, which hurts him in coverage, but he has been reliable on D for awhile now.

Keeping experience like his on the team is important for teaching young players too. It’s in the lockerroom that he and Vilma will be missed most when and if they do depart.

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by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 1, 2012 12:30 AM CST reply actions  

So Shanle’s good, and Colston has the dropsies? You’re talking out of your hooah, son.

by Jimbo03 on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

See above.

Maybe I’m still a little miffed at him short-arming the TD pass in the playoffs.

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by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 1, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I still have yet to see anyone put up some clear evidence Shanle is crap.

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by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

69 tackles, 1 sack, 6 pass deflections, 1 pick and 1 forced fumble are almost exactly in the middle of the road, some higher and some lower. Were it not for the strength of our offense, the numbers might be even higher.

In fact, the only people I see saying anything negative about the guy are Saints’ fans.

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by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Appreciate it Jimbo

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by AcquiredPanic on Feb 1, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Good post AP

My take.
Cut DEV and Meach and Porter.
Sign Colston if it doesn’t break the bank or Tag him.
Nicks is a must either by signing to long term deal or Tag.
Vilma is important, for more reasons than are necessarily apparent, from last years play. Injuries really hampered him last year, but he is important to the D scheme. A coaches best friend. I also think Dunlap stepped in nicely when he was down.
Will Smith is a condrum, only because of his salary in relation to the Cap. While he didn’t have outstanding sack numbers last season, he always drew double coverage and if we had some, LB’ers, and DT who could play, we would have more production because of it. Also If Gallette gets more playing time opposite Will, and is coached up by SpagNOLA, he should still be able to contribute. May need to renegotiate Will’s salary though.
Sedrick E. is adequate at his position, an you would be starting over trying to bring someone in new in the draft, and not much trade value.
Harper is as Harper does. Hands of stone, but good at the position. Here again money is the issue.
Shandle I could only see keeping for depth. He should get supplanted as a starter this year. Other than cap issues he doesn’t help or hinder us at the position. He, like Harper is what he is. Serviceable, but no superstar. Also he is losing a step IMHO.
Franklin I could see keeping at a reasonable price, and Rodgers walks.
PT, unfortunately is our only realistic trade bait, but would hate to lose him.

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by cajuncommando58 on Feb 1, 2012 10:13 AM CST reply actions  

I know Ellis doesn’t have much value alone. Looking at our roster, I was kind of in shock that we didn’t have more players we could put on the trading block without sending a mix of picks and/or other players. PT seems to be the only one I could see getting traded without sending some other kind of compensation.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And thanks...btw

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 1, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade Devery, and give Meach his money

And see this chart: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr
which says that Meach was one of the top 10 WR per play in 2011. He’s younger, taller, and faster than Devery. I don’t know why y’all want to get rid of him, unless he’s got huge contract demands

Which people claim that their team can defeat our professional football squad?

by CoachOfEarl on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

No way Harper gets traded....that contract is a giant albatross.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Feb 1, 2012 12:18 PM CST reply actions  

Teams have shown interest in the past. I remember the Bears inquired about him and there were rumors that the Giants wanted him as part of the Shockey deal. I’m not saying it will happen but I imagine we could find several teams that would show interest.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 1, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...in the past they did. But that was before we made him like the third highest paid safety in football.

The only way it happens is if Harper agrees to restructure the contract as part of the negotiations. Don’t see that happening unfortunately…though I wish it would. If his contract had been a little more manageable I think it would be a possibility to move him for a 2nd-third round pick.

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Feb 1, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Ivory isn’t gonna have much trade potential due to his injury history.

But PT has trade potential with his injury history?

by daisy117 on Feb 1, 2012 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

PT has a larger resume to judge his overall performance

Thomas has missed a total of 17 games over a 5 year career. Ivory has missed 14 games over a 2 year career. It doesnt help when Ivory seems to hobble off the field or seems to tweak something every few plays.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 1, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions  

True,

But Thomas now has a concussion, and concussions don’t seem to go away quickly (see David Thomas, Sidney Crosby).

by daisy117 on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends on the concussion

There are different levels of severity. I got in a fight several years ago and suffered a bad concussion. I had double and triple vision for days. I was ok after about a week. (although my left eye was blood red for about a month) Ive been in plenty of fights since then (mostly related to my line of work) and haven’t had any lingering symptoms or suffer furthered concussions. I don’t know how bad PT’s was with all the new rules regarding not letting players return to a game even if they only show minor symptoms …..so any analysis would be mere speculation.

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by AcquiredPanic on Feb 1, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Also true.

My point is only that PT has had some injury history as well. Most being recently with his bum ankle. But then again, very few running backs in the NFL don’t have an injury history.

by daisy117 on Feb 1, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Also...

PT getting knocked out on that play wasn’t necessarily head related. That neck got jammed pretty hard and could have caused the black out. I got hit like that one time and my head never hurt. My neck was sore for a month afterwards though.

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by cajuncommando58 on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

what is that line of work??

"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!" (And a Defense!)
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Some say the glass is half full.
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by Philinwood on Feb 3, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I was a correctional officer

although the initial concussion occurred in a parking lot.

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by AcquiredPanic on Feb 3, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet you worked with a lot of incorrect people.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 3, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a BIG understatement.

Met a lot of interesting people though.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 3, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Time to part ways with Will Smith and his high salary

He is perfect trade bait
I dont see PT going anywhere he really is our best all around back that can do anything I think all 4 will be back

by mississippisaintsfan on Feb 1, 2012 5:57 PM CST reply actions  

You don't trade players...you trade contracts

That includes the salary. If Will Smith isn’t worth his high salary, how is he perfect trade bait?

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That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 1, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

We'll trade you Ocho for Colston...jk.

Nice post AP! Good t o see you have other, um, talents.

by kim.000 on Feb 2, 2012 7:17 AM CST reply actions  

Counter offer

How about Colston for Vince Wilfork? I’ll even throw in Scott Shanle as an added bonus ;)

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 2, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Will Smith DID NOT draw constant double teams

Smith has absolutely NO moves to make it tough on an OT, he’s not especially fast, and his bull rush that is his staple is very manageable. He’s an OT’s dream in a realistic sense. Smith is good enough to play in the NFL but not so good that any OT should have trouble in shutting him down as far as sacks and QB pressure are concerened. He is better than average against the run. He loses contain way more than a veteran should.

Spags will not want him.

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by Philinwood on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Spags may want him if the alternatives are all worse. In that case, it’s Mickey who may not want him.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 3, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

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