Peter King, You've Got to be Kidding Me!
by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 2:15 PM CST
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PrintI just read Peter King's recent Sports Illustrated article in which he hands out his 2011 NFL awards. Not surprisingly, he chose golden boy Aaron Rodgers as his league MVP. Shocker! How he comes to that conclusion, however, is an absolute abomination.
Here's King's ridiculous reasoning:
Rodgers had more touchdown passes (45), more yards (4,643) and better accuracy (68.3%)-all by far-than Brett Favre had in any of his three MVP seasons with the Packers.
Ummm...okay. Remind again what in the hell Brett Favre's past accomplishments have anything to do with this year's MVP race. Oh, that's right, it doesn't. It was just a way for King to drop Favre's name into his most recent article. What King is doing here is comparing apples and oranges. That's just not right.
You know who else has more touchdown passes (46), more yards (5,476) and better accuracy (71.2%) than Brett Favre in any of his three MVP seasons? DREW F***** BREES!!!! And, holy s*** wouldn't you know it, his numbers in those categories are better than Rodgers this year, too! In fact, two of them are new NFL records! How the hell did that happen!?!?
It seems the one stat these media mongrels like to point to is Rodgers' passer rating, and King is no exception:
He set a record for passer rating (122.5) for a team that won 15 games in the regular season.
That's a fair point; it's an impressive number. But if the NFL MVP award were given out based just on passer rating alone, Drew Brees should have won it in 2009 when his passer rating was a league best 109.6, nearly 10 points higher than MVP winner Peyton Manning who had a 99.8 rating that year. But you didn't, once again, because you suck.
It's cool though. To placate Saints fans, King has given Brees his Offensive Player of the Year award. That should be enough to keep us all happy, right?
Dear NFL sportswriters: you guys are pathetic. If you're going to make the MVP award purely a popularity contest, at least try and cover it up with evidence and reasoning that might actually make sense. Or, you can do the right thing for a change and give Drew Brees the damn MVP award he deserves. And none of this co-MVP crap, either. Let me know when you've pulled your collective heads out of your asses.
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Wow!
Impressive. I like this new tone. Get ’em!
Hatred strikes me as one of the few signs of life remaining in the world. This is another thing about the world which is upsidedown: all the friendly and likable people seem dead to me; only the haters seem alive.
by Joseph William Stern on Jan 4, 2012 2:19 PM CST reply actions
And that "Discount Double check" move..
That Rogers does.. That’s Rogers holding King by the ears.. I would say King is Rogers’ Boy George..But that would be insulting Culture Club.
You know Hartman, goodie-two-shoes is fidgeting around like a one-legged cat trying to bury s#!t on a frozen pond, until old Seth fixes him a couple of pink poontang specials. You know, that crazy drink that I fix for stewardesses? Two shots out of that and Hartman is shot to s#!t, freaked out. I mean, I never saw a guy having so much fun and crying at the same time!
God bless. I’ve tried to remain as level headed as I could about this, but using Favre as any kind of justification for deciding the current MVP race is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
. I’ve tried to remain as level headed as I could about this, but using Favre as any kind of justification for deciding the current MVP race is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
Exactly. This was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Hence, the post.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Peter King is D#$%!!!!!
He’s never put on a pads, so what the hell qualifies him as the expert. Ooh I forgot, he qualified himself!!!! What a d#$%^!!!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
Well, he is a widely respected, long-tenured sports writer…but, yeah, other than that you’re totally right.
I Don't Think...
…that PK is all that widely respected. If you do happen to respect him, try listening to his podcast; that will cure you.
Also this:
by DrZin on Jan 5, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I meant widely respected by his peers, and I really think that he is considering he writes a famous weekly column for SI, one of the flagship sports journals, a column which is often imitated or parodied, all traits of a successful writer. His sports knowledge and writing might be questioned by many fans, but I can’t believe anyone would seriously question his status as a journalist.
Dave for President!!!
Lovin the way you took it to ‘em! You’re my new hero!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
Where's the petition ??
Sign me up !!
You know Hartman, goodie-two-shoes is fidgeting around like a one-legged cat trying to bury s#!t on a frozen pond, until old Seth fixes him a couple of pink poontang specials. You know, that crazy drink that I fix for stewardesses? Two shots out of that and Hartman is shot to s#!t, freaked out. I mean, I never saw a guy having so much fun and crying at the same time!
Actually he explained exactly why he chose Rodgers over Brees in the MMQB and it had nothing to do with Brett Favre. All of his arguments were completely valid.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Oh yeah, Jeff? Ya don't say?
Then why the f*** didn’t he re-list those wonderfully valid reasons in this article instead of spouting off stupid new ones?
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yes I do say.
You seem to be acting tense toward me. I’d recommend not doing that.
I pointed out the fact that he clearly stated his reasons in another article. Don’t be an asshat toward me because neither you nor I can read the man’s mind. Your blog or not…I give you plenty of repect…you need to do the same.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
by jeff.l.b on Jan 4, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You seem to be mistaking my anger and sarcasm toward Peter King and directing it toward yourself. But just out of curiosity…
I’d recommend not doing that.What would happen?
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
As if I don’t have your parents telephone number. Keep it up and you’ll earn a spanking young man. And not one of those sexy ones you get from Erin.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Seriously, though, I've got no beef with you despite my sarcasm.
And I really do want to know what King’s reasoning is for choosing Rodgers as MVP.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
King's reasoning:
And I picked Rodgers. Four reasons:
1. I thought Rodgers was better for the full season. Rodgers was 14-1, Brees 13-3. So much can go into wins and losses, and each man did more than any on his team to lead to those wins. But in the two midseason losses that ultimately cost the Saints the second seed in the playoffs, Brees was less than perfect, and it hurt his team. In a six-point loss to Tampa Bay in Week 6, Brees threw one interception late in the first half that Josh Freeman turned into a touchdown three plays later. Late in the fourth quarter, down six, Brees threw an interception in the end zone. Two weeks later, New Orleans went to St. Louis and lost by 10 to A.J. Feeley and the Rams. Brees threw one interception that was returned for a touchdown, and the other was turned into a touchdown pass by Feeley. In Rodgers’ first 12 weeks of the season, he ground up every opponent with remarkable efficiency, throwing 37 touchdowns with just five interceptions … almost the same way Brees played at the end of the season. In the last eight games, Brees was as brilliant as Rodgers was for the first 12. The Saints were 8-0, and he threw 27 touchdowns with four interceptions, and was a paragon of accuracy. But those two losses to, as it turned out, 4-12 and 2-14 teams, with Brees mistakes a factor, weighed on my decision. In the end, it was like watching two almost perfect skaters, and one lands the quad and one has a perfect program except for double-footing the landing on one jump.
2. Brees had five multiple-interception games, Rodgers none. Not decisive, but a factor. I also thought the TD-to-interception differential (plus-39 for Rodgers, plus-32 for Brees) and the yards per attempt (9.25 to 8.33, in Rodgers’ favor) was a factor.
3. I wanted to respect statistics but not be overwhelmed by them. I have tremendous respect for Brees the team player, and I couldn’t care less that he was throwing the ball up 22 with three minutes to play against Atlanta. All he’s doing is executing the plays that are called. But I don’t want numbers, some of which are exacerbated in blowouts like the 62-7 rout of the Colts (Brees) and 45-7 rout of the Vikings (Rodgers), to affect the vote unduly, particularly since Brees threw 155 more passes than Rodgers.
4. Rodgers won the head-to-head matchup. Again, not overwhelming. But a brick in the wall.
As for the Flynn performance, I think it could be evidence that it’s the system and the supporting cast as much as the player that makes the quarterback in Green Bay. But how much stock do you put in one game? Is it anecdotal or absolutely proof? I think it’s more of the former, but I just don’t think we have enough proof. How do we know that if Chase Daniel, Brees’ backup, started against the Panthers Sunday with all that talent around him in the passing game, and with a superb play-caller in Sean Payton who knows what Daniel does well and what he doesn’t, that he wouldn’t have thrown for 330 and four touchdowns? We don’t.
One of the things that bothers me about not voting for Brees is that I think, overall, he’s been the best quarterback in football over the last six years, with a phenomenal record of achievement. And he hasn’t won an MVP. I sincerely hope he does before he retires, and if he wins it this year, I won’t be bothered at all, because Brees has been a great difference-maker this year. I just think Rodgers has been a little better for the full season.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/01/01/week.17/index.html#ixzz1iWqZCloh
Valid reasoning, just not strong enough in my opinion.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
For his comments on Matt Flynn…
Let’s see…in that one game, Detroit was playing for seeding so that they could avoid us…they were a lot more competitive against Green Bay than against us. That’s just what I think, though…
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 4, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
FIFH...
“Rodgers the Green Bay Packers team was 14-1, Brees the New Orleans Saints team 13-3. "
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
FTFY
"Rodgers the Green Bay Packers team was 14-1 15-1, Brees the New Orleans Saints team 13-3. "
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True dat!
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Again... FIFH...
“Rodgers the Packers won the head-to-head matchup.”
But… who had the better stats in the matchup?
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
This morning, King predicted the Saints to win the Super Bowl on television. Does the same on SI.com today. In fact, four of the top eight writers at SI pick the Saints, three pick the Packers and one picks the Patriots.
That makes his decision even odder. He think’s they’re so close, he debated splitting his vote half and half….. but he decides it should go to Rogers even though he thinks Brees will beat him in the Super Bowl. Go figure.
From what I hear, you can’t split your vote… it’s one vote, one player.
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
According to what he wrote at SI, you can split a vote half and half and I believe he said he had done it once before. Don’t know if it’s correct or not….. it may have just been Peter rambling on after one too many coffees.
He was complaining that a better way to do it would be to vote for the best three MVP candidates in a 1, 2, 3 order and let the best cummulative score be the winner. Wouldn’t have made any difference though. It was pre-determined that Rogers would win regardless. We’ll just have to settle for Drew getting the Super Bowl MVP again.
that is a better way… picking the top three.
and, Chris Collinsworth (on Inside the NFL, on Showtime) said he has a vote and you cannot split it…. which is why he debated so long before picking…….. Rodgers.
“Brees had a better season, but I gotta go with Rodgers.” That was his reasoning. A******!!! <—- That was for Collinsworth.
It wouldn't have mattered this year if they did it that way anyway
Unless some jackwagon puts Brady above either of them; it would come down to who had more 1st place votes.
I don’t disagree with having the top three be the votes, though.
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Bitches!!
Y’all got everyone all excited for nothing. I ordered take-out and invited over some friends….we were making bets on this sh**.
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Chinese take out? For some General Tso's i can be baited into calling Dave funny looking.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Yep...it was General Tso's
But, it’s all gone now. My guests took the food with them when they left. I haven’t seen folks get that mad about fight which ended before it ever got started, since Tyson-Spinks back in ’88.
~Anything by Yogi Berra~
Not only did ARod set the record for passer rating
I believe I read somewhere he had no multi-interception games compared to five for Brees (again off top of my head from reading recently). Add to that the fact that ARod played the equivalent of two games less than Brees, and I don’t see how you can fault people for choosing Rodgers.
That played a big factor in many votes. Additionally, to be frank the perception that Payton runs up the score in order to get stats turns off many voters. Whether that’s right or wrong, that’s been mentioned abundantly in this discussion.
I think if you’re going to make an argument against giving Rodgers the MVP, it has to be because he made so many football fans sit through that godawful Discount Double-Check commercial.
You do know that this is a New Orleas Saints site, don't you?
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t mind him…he’s on injured reserve.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
by MtnExile on Jan 4, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cut that chump!
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Do you realize that Payton has actually pulled Brees out of games, too, right? Because I keep hearing this idea of Rodgers being pulled and Brees allowed to stay in and pad his stats. People need to check the numbers before just assuming stuff like that.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 4, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
The one that irritates the crap out of me is when people point out Brees’ attempts and yards per pass. Yes, Brees has a lot of attempts. Yes, the Saints pass the ball a lot. But what nobody ever points out is that the Saints play the fastest pace in the league (1117 offensive plays on the season), at just shy of 70 plays per game and about 2 more plays per game than the next offense, the Patriots. So are we really going to penalized Brees for playing in the Saints’ system but reward Rodgers for playing in the Packers’ big play offense?
“Yes, Brees has a lot of attempts. AND HE HAS THE NFL ALL-TIME RECORD FOR COMPLETION PERCENTAGE AT THE SAME TIME!”
(I’m yelling at the voters and the people who point out the additional attempts. Do you know how hard that is… to throw the ball that many more times and to STILL have the NFL record for completions???)
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
It really is impressive he set the all time comp% record.
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What's more impressive?
(Though ultimately, shouldn’t REALLY count in this vote)
He broke HIS OWN completion % record
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Rodgers was pulled earlier in games (both in actual game time & in point differential)
Not that it matters much, just pointing out for the sake of accuracy. That’s why some people point to that as reasoning.
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I think very few folks,
even on this site, would say Rodgers doesn’t deserve it. I’m personally going with the “I think Brees deserves it more” tagline.
Also...
Brees gets MVP because you guys call your QB A-Rod. Complete dealbreaker, I’m afraid. Not even State Farm can protect you from a bad, already taken nickname.
KMarch is a Falcons fan
It’s not his QB (though I can’t blame him for having envy)
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Stop calling him that!
It confuses me!
by SarahT on Jan 4, 2012 11:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You do realize that Rogers had four more fumbles then Brees – 4 to ZERO.
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
That's wrong
I know Rodgers has zero fumbles lost & Brees has one fumble lost. Your Rodgers stat might be right, but your Brees stat is wrong.
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Brees’ “fumble” was a bad snap in the shotgun that flew past Brees…he didn’t even have a chance to fumble it.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 5, 2012 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
The statistics are the statistics.
Just pointing out he has had more than zero fumbles. 3 of Rodgers’ 6 interceptions were good throws that hit his WRs hands, and then they failed to make the catch, and it bounced to a defender. It’s likely some of Brees’ interceptions were of a similar variety, too, but that doesn’t make them not interceptions.
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i apologize… I was given wrong information… he fumbled 4 times, but lost none (according to one source he lost two, but a few others said none)
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Not sure how there could be a discrepancy in stats for fumbles lost
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me neither... I'll go with the # that's most widely used.
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Umm...who cares?
Brees doesn’t want that silly regular season MVP award anyway. He’ll do fine with a second Superbowl MVP, thank-you-very-much.
Yeah, fine
but its the principles of the matter that are pi**ing everyone off!
by B_Robichaux31 on Jan 4, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Why not both?
"Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people. " -Carl Sagan
by crescendo2020 on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
F'n A!!!!
I saw that too.
Tell me, what the hell is it gonna take for Brees to win the award?!
Did Dan Marino win the MVP the year he set his record? YES.
Did Kurt Warner win the MVP the year he led the (Ex) Greatest Show on Turf, sett ing those team yardage records? YES.
Drew Brees broke both of those records IN THE SAME F’N YEAR!!
If he doesn’t win it this year, HE NEVER WILL!!!
F’n A-holes…
"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009
And we didn’t hear any arguments about their “system”
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Not a single one. Not one.
It really does seem that the media gets a little bent out of shape that Brees keeps crashing the party in these discussions.
it all makes perfect sense
brees had the greatest qb season in history, just not quite good enough to be this years MVP
I know Brees won’t do it, but I’m still holding out hope that Payton or GW will do Rodger’s discount double check belt celebration on the podium when brees wins superbowl MVP.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 4, 2012 9:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
GW will do it, followed with a big ass crotch chop!
"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009
Why don't you ask everyone who has ever done that taunt how it works out.
You can start with Jimmy Graham.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
by Tepo6688 on Jan 4, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Againt the Patriots?
That’s the only time I can think of, and the Pack lost.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
I imagine you saw what happened
When John Abraham mocked the belt last January?
The Falcons lost to the Packers that night, 48-21. It’s a recurring trend … the person who mocks the belt, their team has always lost to the Packers.
Author at Acme Packing Company, SB Nation's Green Bay Packers blog.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 5, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
But this would be
After we’ve won that game. And the Super Bowl. Hence “when Brees wins superbowl MVP”
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Which is why the stage would collapse and he'd shatter his femur and miss the entire next year instead.
Packers: Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks: Taking care of business as usual.
Badgers: Chin up, boys.
Brewers: Move along, nothin' to see here.
Peter King is a numbnut I send him a hate email at least once a month.
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
I once sent him a dirty email calling him fat and lazy becuase he had not written anything on the world cup
Then it turned out that his brother had died that week. Whoops. I felt bad so I backed off for a bit. But lately he has been getting it full throttle from me. I have to think that by now he (more likley an intern that reads all of his mail because he is a lazy bum) has me on a spam filter or something.
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 4, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes...
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 4, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ack, the dreaded reverse-placating gris gris!
by GlackAndBold on Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"reverse-placating gris gris"
Dutifully filed under phrases I never thought I would read.
by sammasaaron on Jan 4, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he picked the Saints at midseason in '09 to win it all.
"Move over Marino, there's a new Brees coming through town!"-Jim Henderson
Rec'd this, btw. This needs to stay up top for a while.
"They're ready to be like 'Same Old Saints'" - Roman Harper, on each of the New Orleans Saints vanquished foes of 2009
This is the same idiot
Who put us as #24 in the preseason rankings in 2009.
He’s a decent reporter when he’s reporting facts. He’s been in the “biz” so long he’s got tons of sources and such so he’s useful for stuff like that.
But when he attempts to come up with opinions, his brain locks up and his IQ drops about 300 points.
Easy Rod.
Eaaaasy….
I can’t recommend that you watch the NFL’s new awards show.
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PREACH IT, BROTHER!
Rec’d big time!
"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!
by David "Satch" Kelly on Jan 4, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions
1941 Repeated
Peter King is real blow hard. I don’t view any of his opinions with any degree of relevance.
I did see an interesting article by Greg Doyel of CBS Sports.com. He typically has controversially material, but in these case I believe his comparisons to the 1941 American League MVP race are relevant (Joe Dimaggio vs. Ted Williams). Many similarities exist between that season and the Brees vs. Rodgers 2011 statistical comparisons.
I don’t buy the argument that Rodgers deserves the award because he threw the ball less that Brees and he was more efficient. Huh? That IS the point. Brees threw it MORE and completed 71% of his passes, which broke his own record set last year. He threw it MORE than Rodgers and was more accurate than ever. They can keep the MVP. Just give us the tall, shiny, silver trophy with the football on top.
Bring on the freaking Lions!!!!
Peter King is a disgusting worthless steaming pile of horse crap
Who’s incapable of managing a water fountain without screwing it up. I’m fired up too Dave! Preach it Brother!
You know what though? This should make the Saints even more pissed off. Which is great for us Saints fans. More motivation to win another Superbowl.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
That depends on whether you like their brand of humor. They’re crude, crass, make Grandmaster Wang look polite and reserved and clean-mouthed, and they go for the shock jock shtick quite a bit. But if you like that kind of stuff, they can be funny, at least at times.
But at least they rip PK to shreds every single week. Which is funny in its own right, even when their mockery isn’t. I mean, can you imagine the hatred of PK it must take to mock his MMQB article every single week over and over again for years? Wow, that’s some serious dark side of the force there.
What's with all the Peter King hate?
I just started reading MMQB this year and I’ve had no problem with him. It seems like a lot of people like ripping for the format of his column, but I generally enjoy his digressions and if I don’t I just skip to the next section. Personally, I find Easterbrook over on Page 2 of ESPN far more irritating, particularly with his holier-than-thou, overly pedantic writing.
Also, the “article” this post is about is just an awards section in the latest print SI with blurbs about the different award picks. Is it really to the point we need to get upset over a poorly chosen blurb? It’s not like King wrote an entire article in which the thesis was that because Rodgers is better than Favre he’s MVP.
HE HAS A COLUMN CALLED THE MONDAY MORNInG QUARTERBACK AND HE SPENDS HALF OF IT ON BEER FOOD AND BASEBALL
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 4, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, but here’s where I lose track of this. Everybody doesn’t like Peter King because of his writing style. But everyone also says King doesn’t know what he’s talking about and always hates on the Saints. Which suggests that either everyone is reading King’s column despite disliking his writing style, or everyone is just assuming King doesn’t have valid, well-argued opinions without actually bothering to read his opinions.
I don’t like the Twilight series and I complain about it loudly, but I’ve never tried to critique the literary merit of book I haven’t read. I just make fun of sparkly vampires and shirtless lycanthropes.
OR...
Maybe one person reads a King article, posts a rant with a link, and everyone else satisfies their curiosity and remembers why they stopped reading Peter King.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
by MtnExile on Jan 4, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d be willing to accept that except:
1) As I’ve pointed out, this is not really an ‘article’ at all, it’s a set of picks.
2) Reading a paragraph description of a pick for MVP does not count as “read[ing] a King article”
3) The things everyone is complaining about in King’s writing do not occur in said ‘article’
4) In King’s most recent MMQB he agrees with pretty much everything everyone here has said about the Rodgers/Brees MVP debate, except he comes down on the Rodgers side. (Which means most people didn’t go ahead and read a King article anyway to remind themselves “why they stopped reading Peter King”)
I saw Peter King walking barefoot through Houston Hobby airport. It was frightening.
But nowhere nearly as frightening as escorting Rick Majerus to a press conference at the NCAA tournament in 1998 and seeing him wearing really, really short gym shorts. What does this have to do with Peter King? Nothing, but you see, I am channeling his writing style, so I threw in a total non sequitur of an anecdote and managed to name drop, which is pretty much every Peter King column ever.
by Nabb1 on Jan 4, 2012 4:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I bet he looked even more like a hobbit without shoes
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 4, 2012 9:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My rationale for why drew deserves this award is more based on the fact that he has played at as high a level as anyone in the league at his position(and in most categories, better) for several years now, yet he has come in second or third in the voting every time. Rodgers had a great year this year, and he deserves recognition for it. But before the postseason last year, he was in the mix with QB’s like Schaub and Rivers, putting up nice numbers, but not as nice as the best guys. Ever since Bree’s got to NO, he’s been putting up amazing numbers, yet they’re never sexy enough to beat out some other player. In ‘06, he brought the Saints back from the dead, passed for something in the ballpark of 4400 yards(an impressive achievement at the time), and dragged the ’Aints to the NFCCG…but LaDanian Tomlinson had a great year, too in San Diego, so that was that. In ’08, he broke the 5000 yard mark for the first time since Marino set that standard…but the Saints had no defense or running game, and finished 8-8, so fine, obviously he wasn’t THAT valuable. In ’09, He outperformed every other QB in nearly every stat one might consider meaningful, won 13 straight, got his team the 1 seed in the playoffs, and had ZERO “elite” skill players with him on offense…but Favre managed to have a great year in his forties, and Manning put up almost-as-good numbers(with Clark and Wayne to throw to) and won 14 in a row. So obviously, Drew came in third. This year, Brees put up some of the most absurd numbers any QB ever has, won 13, and somehow improved on his already superhuman play with the Saints in all categories except INTs and wins, sets a pile of meaningful records, and statistically outperforms every other QB in almost all measurables…but Rodgers has 14 wins, and set one meaningful record of his own in Green Bay. So Brees is definitely the second banana.
The point of all this is, Brees has earned the MVP award AT LEAST three times since he arrived in NO. So it seems impossible to be surprised at this point that there is nothing he can do to win a popularity contest as a Saint. Brees deserves it more than Rodgers because he has deserved it before, several times, not gotten it, and deserves it again now. Let Rodgers deserve it and not get it once, at least, before he gets to join the elite rank of great players who overtook the greater Brees in consideration.
But that’s not the way it works. And that’s just fine, because that’s the only way Drew Brees knows. If he suddenly did win the accolades he’s earned over and over again, he might actually start this slow decline we fear. The position of bridesmaid is where Brees has managed all of his amazing feats from. It’s clearly his comfort zone. I, for one, don’t want to take that away from him. He’s far too valuable to the Saints as the “Second Most Valuable Player”.
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by FuSoYa on Jan 4, 2012 3:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions 8 recs
Good comment.
So it seems impossible to be surprised at this point that there is nothing he can do to win a popularity contest as a Saint.
Definitely not surprised. Just disgusted by faulty logic and reasoning.
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by Dave Cariello on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think people totally miss the totality of what Brees has done since he joined the Saints. If you look at his past five years, his performance is head and shoulders above any other QB over a five year stretch. By the time he hangs them up, I’m actually thinking he should be ahead of Montana for GOAT…especially if he keeps playing at this level for the next five seasons.
by BlackandGold4ever on Jan 4, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
For people totally missing what Brees has done…Peter King 100% called that out and that he has been the best QB in football for the past 6 years in its totality. The MVP, however, is not something granted on totality. Read the last half of the Peter King post that sammasaaron posted above…he quite glowing talks about Brees.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I think you hit the nail on the head for why this is such a touchy issue for Saints fans. I think Brees deserves it as much as the next, if not more for all the reasons you listed. That being said, it’s difficult to argue that Brees had a better season than Rodgers. They each have stats that weigh heavily in their favor (Rodgers had no multi-INT games; he, too, had a clinical QB season). And for all the reasons you list, I’ve never really cared about the regular season MVP in any of the major sports leagues. I like the Superbowl/Finals/World Series MVP much better because it’s a measure of a player’s success in a huge game/series, rather than the perception of a player’s performance as judged at the end of a long season.
That being said, it’s difficult to argue that Brees had a better season than Rodgers.
They both had phenominal seasons no doubt. The point of this thread was Peter Kings comments. He’s always hated the Saints with a passion. And the fact that he uses Brett Favre’s name. What does Favre have to do with this? Isn’t he driving a tractor somewhere?
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Again, maybe it’s because I’ve only been reading him for this season, but I’ve noticed no anti-Saints bias. And, again, that comment was taken from a paragraph accompanying his choice for MVP, NOT his actual reasoning for choosing to vote Rodgers. This wasn’t really even an article and it was about all the picks not just the MVP. The Favre mention, in my opinion, likely had to do with the history of MVPs from Green Bay not any sort of justification of the pick.
I’ve never noticed Saints bias from King. People like to toss that out because of where Peter King had the Saints ranked in his preseason power poll the year the Saints won the Super Bowl. It’s simply one of those things where he could glowing praise the Saints a hundred times over and people here would simply nod their head. Say one thing that people find to be contrary to their opinion and things get shouted to the rafters. It’s the way of all fans…not just Saints fans.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I don’t think he doesn’t like the saints.
However, he does have extreme east coast bias as well as fantasies of Tom Brady and Brett favre.
In Breesus' name we play
by Breesus Christ Superstar on Jan 4, 2012 9:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who at SI picked Chargers-Falcons?
I remember seeing that & saying to my friend, “what kind of drugs are they using?”
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Brett Favre has nothing to do with this. Peter King is not giving reasons why he chose Rodgers. He already discussed those reasons in his other column. He picked Rodgers and instead decided to show how his numbers stacked up against previous Packer winners. It has nothing to do with his reasoning for picking him this year.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
No.
The point of all this is, Brees has earned the MVP award AT LEAST three times since he arrived in NO.
Brees earned the MVP once, in 2009. He was by far the best player that year & deserved the MVP. It truly was a travesty that he didn’t win it that year. I assume you feel the same way, which is why I’m so perplexed why you would want the same thing to happen to another fanbase.
Look, I really like Brees, I have back to his SD days, but Rodgers just had a better season. He threw 6 interceptions Six. He didn’t have a mutli-interception game this year, and the one game he lost, he didn’t even throw a single int. Brees, on the other hand, has had one 3 int game (Loss to TB) in addition to 4 other games with 2 int (including the 10 point loss to StL). I do think Brees’ comp% record is his crowning achievement this year (much more so than the yardage record, which is impressive in its own right), but his interceptions contributed to 2 of the Saints’ losses this season.
The MVP is a seasonal award. Past accomplishments in previous seasons are not (or at least are not supposed to be) factored in to each year’s MVP.
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It’s not like Brees had a year less impressive than Rodgers in any significant way. You seem to believe that efficiency at QB trumps prolificity, which allows you to concede the ‘09 MVP snub. It’s cool with me if you don’t agree with my point that ‘06 was an MVP season for Brees. I can’t argue that LT’s performance that year was any less impressive. However, I also can’t see how Brees’ was less than LT’s, so I consider it a split hair, and, therefore, a snub. Not as flagrant as it was in ‘09, but a snub, nonetheless. So, since that makes two years by my count that Brees has failed to impress the AP as much as someone else with equal or lesser accomplishments, this year will make three. And since the standard was set by the AP in ’09 that prolificity is more important than efficiency, it would fall in line with established parameters that Brees win this year. Perhaps it’s actually the team’s win count that decides the winner of this individual achievement award, in which case, Brees has no case.
But we all know this is essentially a popularity contest, with a fair nod to empirical data. Since GB is NFL Mecca, and Rodgers has a “good ole boy” likability that beats Brees’ somewhat off-putting “paragon of humanity” persona, I can’t see him losing this prom crown. But I can’t see how Brees hasn’t earned it every bit as much as Rodgers has. And the fact that this has been true at least once before for him should give him enough pity to let him have the tiara. As a Saints homer, I believe he flat-out, unequivocally had a better year than Rodgers…but not by a ton. And since, in today’s NFL, anybody can throw for 5000 yards, 70% completion, and 45 TD’s, the same way anyone can paint a Picasso, why should he get any recognition for his “achievements”? After all, Rodgers had fewer TO’s, and more wins.
Sarcasm aside, I can accept that both have equal claim to the title of MVP, but only one of them ever came in second place in that situation already in their career. Let Rodgers do it twice, and I’ll say he deserves it more because he didn’t get it in ‘11, AND THEN HE DID IT AGAIN. But Brees didn’t do less than Rodgers did, and it’s not unreasonable to suggest that he did more. The fact that it’s that close…AGAIN…should be enough to win him the title. LT didn’t do that twice. Manning has, but he’s out of the equation this time. Brady came up short in every way that would normally put him in Brees’ shoes. And Rodgers has never had a year like this one. Brees has. He has established a pattern of unparalleled success that puts him in a pantheon currently occupied by two other QB’s who have a combined five MVP nods. That puts him ahead this time around, as far as I’m concerned. Rodgers just got to that party. Why does he deserve to get the crown before Brees does? To right a wrong in consideration from ‘09? Then Brees gets to be the loser twice on either side of the argument. Life’s a bee, I guess.
Doesn’t matter, it is a meaningless trophy that pales in comparison to the one both players are actually playing for this January. But it does really piss me off that there doesn’t seem to be any combination of achievements, short of literally having a perfect season, that will allow my team’s stud horse to get over that hump. And as far as “depriving the Green Bay fanbase of acknowledgment”, please. I think they’re doing just fine in that department. Not that New Orleans fans are any different these days, but it doesn’t establish a disparity of treatment if Packers nation has to suffer through a season without getting the MVP honor they earned.
"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis
by FuSoYa on Jan 5, 2012 2:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Off topic
I saw your name was Fusoya, and thought, “Is that the Final Fantasy Fusoya?” But I’ve forgot to ask you about it a long time ago haha
by Ezio_Auditore on Jan 5, 2012 2:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What can I say? I like moon-wizards.
"The Colts were punching at it and grabbing for it, trying to get it out. But I didn't care if they broke all my fingers. There was absolutely no way in the world I was going to let go of that ball. That was our ball.''-Chris Reis
by FuSoYa on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed a moon-wizard you are
by Ezio_Auditore on Jan 5, 2012 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, I don't think efficiency is more important
but it’s certainly a good way to compare guys when there’s a large disparity in attempts.
I’m not “conceding” the ‘09 snub, that’s how I felt at the time, and it’s one of the most ridiculous MVP winners of all time. Manning didn’t lead in the volume stats like yards/completions/attempts, Matt Schaub did. He didn’t lead in TDs, Brees did, and Favre had as many as Manning. He also threw 16 interceptions (7th most), placing him in the company of players like Mark Sanchez, Matt Hasselbeck, Josh Freeman, Jake Delhomme & Matt Cassel that year.
He was even worse in efficiency stats, placing 6th in passer rating, and the leader (Brees) was nearly 10 points higher, along with 4 others who broke 100 (Favre, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger), which Manning did not do. He barely cracked the top 10 in yards per attempt (below Rivers, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers, Schaub, Romo, McNabb, Favre, and even his little brother Eli). His interception percentage was poor (2.8%), good for 19th overall (finishing below Joe Flacco, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, and a whole slew of other players), and there were two players whose numbers were more than twice as good (Rodgers & Favre: 1.3%). The only stat he led in was sack percentage, which is due at least partly to his OL, He was, at best, the 3rd best QB that season, and that’s not even considering other positions, like RB Chris Johnson’s all-time record for yards from scrimmage (2,509) that year.
As for 2006, there is absolutely no way Brees should have won it that year. He threw for 4,418 yards, 26 TDs & 11 interceptions. LaDainian had 2,323 yards from scrimmage, and scored 31 TDs (3 more than anyone else ever has in a season). A player who throws for less TDs than one who scores more TDs simply does not deserve the MVP.
I can accept that both have equal claim to the title of MVP, but only one of them ever came in second place in that situation already in their career. Let Rodgers do it twice, and I’ll say he deserves it more because he didn’t get it in ‘11, AND THEN HE DID IT AGAIN. But Brees didn’t do less than Rodgers did, and it’s not unreasonable to suggest that he did more. The fact that it’s that close…AGAIN…should be enough to win him the title. LT didn’t do that twice.
The MVP is a seasonal award, previous years are not factored in. If there was an award for best player of the last 5 years, Brees would get my vote, but the 2011 NFL MVP is for the best player of 2011, which is Rodgers. Brees did do less than Rodgers, he turned the ball over almost three times as much, costing his team two wins. He only eclipsed him in TDs (by one) because he played more. LT was deserving of consideration in 2003, where he led in yards from scrimmage (4th most all-time), and scored 17 TDs. Of course, Manning won by throwing for 4200 yards & 29 TDs/10 ints.
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I say....
put an asterisk on the MVP if when Rodgers wins it. It only seems fair since everyone else is crying for an asterisk next to all of Drew’s accolades.
by B_Robichaux31 on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
No, not everyone is
There was a poorly titled article at APC, where most of the commenters disagreed with the asterisk.
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Who CARES?
I’m getting tired of repeating myself, but I’m going to until everyone joins me in this mindset (which I’m betting dollars to donuts is exactly the mindset of everyone wearing the black & gold uniforms and actually playing the games):
…who CARES about this "voted Miss Popular" contest?
What Drew wants is ring #2, trophy #2, and Super Bowl MVP #2. Let Mr. Discount Double Check have this one, with our blessings….
Want to really rub it in the faces of all the sportswriters that blow off our guys, and the fans of other teams that think we root for a team that was a fluke??? Shut up about it. Smile, nod, and agree – yes, Aaron Rodgers should be the MVP.
Then, watch our guys run through every team between here and the Lombardi like a threshing machine through a field of wheat, and smile at them all as Drew gets his 2nd SB MVP and hoists his two sons on the podium in Indy.
F*** ’em, in other words.
Irony: an atheist Saints fan
by GSO Saints Fan on Jan 4, 2012 4:41 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Drew is accustomed to being dissed.
But don’t even think he won’t use it to add weight to that big honkin’ chip on his shoulder. The man just plays better when he’s got something to prove.
This isn't about rules, it's about manners. Now there's no rule that says that I cant come over here and fart on your entree. But I don't do it. Why? Because it's not good manners.
We have to take respect if they want give it to me.
The world dont respect us right now.Nothing but disrespect with everything that the Saints do.Nothing but excuses with why Drew Brees shouldn’t recieve the MVP.They didn’t even respect the Superbowl that we won in 2009.It was luck they say,we didn’t have good competition in the playoffs.And this has been for years.There’s always an excuse to not give the Saints credit with anything they do.We always debate this. Is it the New Oreans that sits in front of the saints name…is it that we dont have much tradition like the Green Bay Packers,the Cowboys (America’s team)or the Pittsburgh Steelers.It aint right. We have all came to respect the fact that they might not ever respect us.So guess what the world don’t have to love us.We have the best fans on the planet.And you know why because we sat through 43 years of cheering for the saints the same way we do now.Forget the rest of the world the saints are ours.Oh I forgot I think I came up with a name for the offense.Move over greatest show on turf here comes the highlight express led by Drew Brees.
They didn’t even respect the Superbowl that we won in 2009
Because in their minds they still think the Superbowl win was a fluke/one hit wonder. The only way to correct that? Win another Superbowl. That’s the only way to shut the uneducated haters up. Sean Payton’s words early this season. ‘We want to prove we’re not a one hit wonder"
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
To quote the great Powers Boothe:
All that hate’s gonna burn you up, kid.
Don’t let people like Peter King get to you, Dave.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
For what it's worth...
Peter King, although he did not vote for Drew as MVP, has chosen our very own Saints as the winners of Super Bowl XLVI. The article can be found here and his choice is the first one on the page.
Half of the writers from SI apparently
have chosen the Saints to win it all
by Ezio_Auditore on Jan 4, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda interesting.
I rather liked the last guy. Gave us a chance to host the NFCCG against the Giants. I quite like that idea.
Most important I really liked him picking the Broncos to beat the Stoolers. Do I really think it will happen… probably not. But it would be hilarious if it did. The Stoolers cost us the #2 seed in the NFC playoffs by playing an injured Rottingturdburger… and then because he’s still hurt the “worst team in the playoffs” manages to upset them.
Likely? No. Possible? Well, I’m sure we all remember what happened the LAST time a road favorite of 10+ went into the stadium of a division champion without a winning record… why not two years in a row?
No way
The Steelers are a very strong run defensive team. Tebow cannot beat them with his arm & legs.
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Well that’s why I said it’s not likely. But it’s no more impossible than anything else this crazy season.
Yeah, any given sunday isn't just a movie title.
Still, I can’t see a way that the Broncos win, even with Charlie Batch under center.
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I think it would be MORE likely for the Steelers to win with Batch than Ben. Ben’s “greatness” depends on his ability to shrug off attempted sacks for 15 seconds until somebody gets wide open downfield. Without that he can still be a good QB, but in the face of heavy pressure he probably won’t be.
Could be true, depending on how hobbled he'll be come gametime.
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So, in one breath PK points to “Rogers beating Brees in the regular season” AND says “Brees will beat Rogers in the NFCCG”, and thus puts more weight on an opening day game than the NFCCG???
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Here my angle
So A Rod sits wk 17, Flynn throws what? 5/6 TD’s, v. a div. foe trying to avoid the Saints. Now, could Flynn do that every wk? probably more so than Chase Daniel in Brees’ absence. Brees plays wk 17 in order for a possible 2 seed and was the catalyst for Sproles’ record Grahams’ (short lived), completion %, et. al and Saint’s records. Marino’s record the previous wk. This season Brees> Rodgers……. Brees MVP sorry PK
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I don't understand why having a very good back up QB is any reason to discount Rodgers
If Rodgers had played that game & gotten Flynn’s stats, he would have broken Brady’s passing TD record.
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The value argument.
It’s become hilarious how Brees can never quite win all the arguments and if he wins some they just move the goal posts. He supposedly lost MVP to Peyton because Peyton was more valuable to the Colts (It was the only argument they had left since Brees beat him in every stat.) And this kind of thought continued into this season without Peyton, some half seriously thinking Peyton deserved it this year because of the value argument.
King even mentions the value argment when he compares Chase Daniel vs. Matt Flynn. And he suggests that Payton’s play calling could have had the same favorable result if we had sat Brees and put Daniel in the last game. I’m not seeing it, frankly and I think without meaning to it’s a real insult to Brees. But, he had to throw it in there because oh my gosh, that mght prove Brees was most valuable afterall, and for an award ironically called Most Valuable Player. I know it should be for the whole league and not team, but remember the whole Peyton vs Brees thing? Well, this is the sort of thing that isn’t easily forgotten because Brees just keeps missing it by that much <>, based seemingly on ever changing standards.
I personally don’t mind Rodgers winning. I love Brees but interceptions bother me too. But, then I remember that Peyton had 17! interceptions the year he beat out Brees and Brees only had 13. Can’t win.
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by CrazyforColston on Jan 6, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
That year was absolute bollocks
He got straight up screwed that year, absolutely no way Manning should have won that year (should have finished about 4th or 5th in the voting). I wasn’t arguing for Manning in ’09, and I never was. See my post above for just how ridiculous it was that Manning won in ’09.
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This was written before the votes were turned in, so moot point now.. dont email the voters
Comparison of Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers
Here are the addresses I could find for the 50 AP NFL MVP Voters, in a form you can copy and paste to your To: column. There are links near the end of the post for voters who have mailbags, leave your comment areas, ect instead of email addresses. If anyone has a more accurate list, let me know and I’ll update this.
ebouchette@post-gazette.com; balleewalsh@neworleans.com; cliftonbrown@sportingnews.com; fcooney@sportsxchange.com; mcraig@startribune.com; mcurnutte@enquirer.com; sports@northjersey.com; pdomo@aol.com; clarefarnsworth@seattlepi.com; amcgeachy@phillynews.com; mgaughan@buffnews.com; bob.glauber@newsday.com; rgosselin@dallasnews.com; tgrossi@plaind.com; jlegwold@denverpost.com; matt.maiocco@pressdemocrat.com; gmyers@nydailynews.com; jparis@nctimes.com; dpompei@sportingnews.com; asalguero@miamiherald.com; afternoonblitz@sirius-radio.com; Len.Shapiro@washingtonpost.com; tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com; wsmith@greenvillenews.com; ateicher@kcstar.com; cjwilliams@star-telegram.com
Here is the most current argument; copy and paste it in your subject matter of your email:
We’ll start with some of the most prolific records at the QB position.
Ken Anderson won the MVP in 1981 after setting the completion percentage record (70.55%), which stood for 28 years until Drew Brees broke it (70.6%) in the 2009 season in which he did not win the MVP.
Rich Gannon won the MVP in 2002 after throwing for 300+ yards in 10 of the 16 regular season games; Drew Brees accomplished this in 2008 without winning the MVP.
Dan Marino won the MVP in 1984 after throwing for over 5,000 yards in a single season; Drew Brees performed this feat in 2008 (which was remarkable considering he didn’t have a single 1,000 yard wide receiver) and did not win the MVP.
There have been only (33) 4400+ yard passing seasons in the NFL coming into this season. Peyton Manning did it 5 times. Dan Marino did it 4 times. Dan Fouts, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Warren Moon have done it twice. No other quarterback has done it more than once (coming into this season).
Drew Brees fell 12 yards short of accomplishing this feat for four consecutive years by sitting out the final game of the 2009 season after securing home-field advantage. This season marks the 6th time out of the last 7 years Drew has thrown for over 4,400 yards, and the second time he has done it for 3 consecutive years. Something that only six men have done more than once in a career, he has now done 6 times – more than anyone in the history of the NFL— simply amazing.
This year, Drew Brees has thrown for over 350 yards in 8 games, another record.
Drew has broken his and Rich Gannon’s record of (10) 300+ yard games with 13, remarkable considering he has two games left to play.
Drew broke his completions percentage record by almost a point— at 71.2%, which is unheard of.
Drew Brees broke Dan Marino’s Single Season Passing Yardage Recored with 5,476 yards.
Drew Brees led the Saints in breaking the single season offensive yardage record set by the Rams "Greatest Show On Turf" in 2000 with 7,474 yards.
Drew Brees broke the record for most completions in a season with 468
Drew Brees has thrown a TD pass in 43 consecutive games; Johnny Unitas holds the record with 47.
Drew Brees has thrown for 20 or more completions in an NFL record 36 consecutive games.
Drew Brees became the second QB in history to throw for 30+ TDs in 4 consecutive years (Brett Favre 1994-98).
Drew Brees became the 2nd fastest player in history to reach 40,000 passing yards in a career.
Now we’ll have a comparison between Brees and the frontrunner, Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers has a passer rating of 122.5; Brees is second with 110.6 – If you make the argument that Rodgers should win the MVP because he has a higher rating, consider that in 2009 Drew Brees had a rating of 109.6 while the MVP was given to Peyton Manning who had a 99.1 QB rating.
The Packers enjoy a +24 turnover ratio; the Saints are -3. The Packers defense has 31 interceptions to the Saints total of 9. Yet the Saints enjoy a better time of possession and Drew Brees has accomplished more despite having fewer "extra" opportunities and handing the ball off to the 6th ranked rushing offense more than the Packers do to their 27th ranked rushing offense.
Aaron Rodgers has thrown for 45 touchdowns, Drew Brees has thrown for 46 – yet the Saints have four more rushing TDs, in other words, Drew Brees has led his offense to 62 TDs while Aaron Rodgers and the Packer’s offense has scored 57 TDs (Flynn’s 6 give the pack 63 offensive); if the Saints defense had given Drew the short field by leading the NFL in turnovers, I do wonder if this would be a close argument.
Drew Brees completed 71.2% of his passes; Aaron Rodgers has a rate of 68.3%.
Drew Brees has 5,476 passing yards to Aaron Rodgers total of 4,643. While Drew has thrown 155 times more than Rodgers, the Saints also have 569 more rushing yards with 36 more carries – so it isn’t as if throwing is all that the Saints do.
Aaron Rodgers has (64) 20+ yard pass completions; Drew Brees has 69. Consider though that Drew has only been sacked 24 times while Rodgers has been sacked 36 times – pretty good ratio of explosive plays/sacks considering Drew has had 155 more attempts (about 4 to 5 games worth).
Drew Brees has 7 different targets with 30 or more catches – that’s distribution.
Unlike 2009 where there was a VERY large discrepancy in the situational passing splits between Drew Brees and Peyton Manning (Drew was better in almost every category), there isn’t very much separation amongst Brees and Rodgers. However, Drew Brees has a better QB rating where it counts—on third down and in the red-zone.
In essence, Drew Brees is leading the top ranked offense for the 4th time in 6 years, compiling more completions, more yards, and more points than any other in that span. He’s been sacked the least in that span. He’s distributed the ball to more WR’s in that span. He has accumulated more records and been the best QB in every major category over that period without the benefit of a "top 5" WR, "top 5" RB, or blue chip OT. He’s had to get the ball out quickly and be decisive, and he’s had to do it with an average defense. If Drew didn’t get it done, chances are it didn’t get done.
Any one of the above accomplishments is impressive, but consider that Drew Brees has broken the Single Season Passing Yardage Record, Most 300+ Yard Passing Games in a Season Record, Most 350+ yard Passing Games in a Season Record, and Completion % Record IN THE SAME SEASON when this year concludes. The MVP has been given to men who’ve accomplished only one of those feats in a season. It would be criminal to not give Drew the MVP after passing all of these marks in the same season, especially considering he has done so while sharing the load with a top 10 rushing offense, without the benefit of a short field and extra opportunities created by a defense that leads the NFL in turnovers.
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The Associated Press has a panel 50 journalist covering the NFL across the nation who cast votes for the MVP. Here is the list thanks to onetruesaint:
Brian Allee-Walsh, New Orleans Times-Picayune
balleewalsh@neworleans.com
Howard Balzer, Fox Sports Net. the sports xchange
http://www.globe-democrat.com/staff/…alzer/contact/
Don Banks, Sports Illustrated.com http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.el…=181&width=800
Jarrett Bell, USA Today
Bob Berger, Sporting News Radio
Chris Berman, ESPN
Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
ebouchette@post-gazette.com
Clifton Brown, Sporting News
cliftonbrown@sportingnews.com
Rich Cimini, NY Daily News
John Clayton, ESPN Magazine
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/mailba…event_id=21449
Steve Cohen, Sirius Satellite Radio
Frank Cooney, USA Sports Weekly, the sports xchange
fcooney@sportsxchange.com
Jim Corbett, The Sports Weekly, USA Today
Bob Costas, HBO/NBC Sports
Mark Craig, Minneapolis Star Tribune
mcraig@startribune.com
Mark Curnutte, Cincinnati Enquirer
mcurnutte@enquirer.com
Tom Curran, NFL Columnist, NBCSports.com. comcast sports net
http://www.csnne.com/pages/contact_us
John Czarnecki, Fox Sports
http://foxsports.foxnews.com/writer/…=211&pageNum=1
Vinny DiTrani, The Record
sports@northjersey.com
Paul Domowitch, Philadelphia Daily News
pdomo@aol.com
David Elfin, Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff…elfin/contact/
Boomer Esiason, CBS
Contact Boomer Esiason
Clare Farnsworth, Seattle Post-Intelligencer
clarefarnsworth@seattlepi.com
Ashley Fox, Philidelphia Inquirer
amcgeachy@phillynews.com
Mark Gaughan, Buffalo News
mgaughan@buffnews.com
Nancy Gay, San Francisco Chronicle, AOL Fanhouse sports
http://www.aolfeedback-clarabridge.c…s&oid=&c=en-US
Bob Glauber, Newsday
bob.glauber@newsday.com
Dave Goldberg, AOL Fanhouse sports
http://feedback.aol.com/rs/rs.php?si…F&ch=us.sports
Rick Gosselin, Dallas Morning News
rgosselin@dallasnews.com
Tony Grossi, Cleveland Plain Dealer
tgrossi@plaind.com phone # 216.999.4670
Paul Gutierrez, Sacramento Bee
(916) 326-5556
Ira Kaufman, Tampa Tribune
Peter King, Sports Illustrated Here is the inbox for Peter King http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/.el…=181&width=800
Clark Judge, CBSsports.com
Clark Judge – CBSSports.com
Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
jlegwold@denverpost.com
Matt Maiocco, Santa Rosa Press
matt.maiocco@pressdemocrat.com
Howie Long, Fox TV
Alex Marvez, Foxsports.com Here is Alex’s mailbag
Alex Marvez
John McClain, Houston Chronicle
Pat McManamon, Akron Beacon Journal
http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/mcmanamo…being-braylon/
Chris Mortensen, ESPN
Gary Myers, NY Daily News
gmyers@nydailynews.com
Danny O’Neil, Seattle Times
doneil@seattletimes.com
Pete Prisco, CBS sports
Pete Prisco – CBSSports.com
Jay Paris, North County (San Diego) Times
jparis@nctimes.com
Dan Pompei, Chicago Tribune
dpompei@sportingnews.com
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotr…nes-adams.html
Armando Salguero, Miami Herald
asalguero@miamiherald.com
Adam Schein, Sirius NFL Radio Here are some of the addresses for Adam Shein Page Not Found – FOX Sports on MSN
afternoonblitz@sirius-radio.com
Len Shapiro, Washington Post
Len.Shapiro@washingtonpost.com
Tom Silverstein, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel
tsilverstein@journalsentinel.com
Willie T. Smith III, Greenville News
wsmith@greenvillenews.com
Kent Somers, Arizona Republic
azcentral.com blogs – Kent Somers – New Year’s Day update
Adam Teicher, Kansas City Star
ateicher@kcstar.com
Larry Weisman USA Today— He now works for the Washington Redskins
Charean Williams, Fort Worth Star Telegram
cjwilliams@star-telegram.com
So that’s more than 50, but I found a list I that has a different 50 and included those names with onetruesaint’s list. They determine the NFL’s year-end awards: MVP, offensive and defensive player of the year, offensive and defensive rookies of the year, comeback player of the year, coach of the year and the All-Pro teams.
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by Preston J. Gary, Jr. on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Chris Collinsworth votes
And he is not on that list. He already said he voted for Rodgers because of the game we lost to them and yes, I just wrote that.
by SarahT on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously, f* that guy
If that was his sole reason, really? I agree with his choice, though.
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Unserious.
Shows you how unseriously these voters take this award. It’s a shame. A shame for the athletes that earn them and the fans who want to see them rewarded.
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by CrazyforColston on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
tl;dr
Holy crap.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
The Packers enjoy a +24 turnover ratio; the Saints are -3
This is partly due to Rodgers turning the ball over less than Brees.
Take away their contribution (ints+fumbles lost):
NO: +12
GB: +30
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“This is partly due to Rodgers turning the ball over less than Brees.”
Not much less… add his 4 fumbles, and it’s a difference of 3, I believe? Take away the one for the extra game, and it’s two.
Then divide that by the number of pass attempts… who has the better ratio of Pass Attempts to Turnovers? :-)
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
even if you stil count the one from the extra game, Brees still has a better ratio,
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Rodgers didn't lose any fumbles this year
He may have fumbled 4 times, but he didn’t lose any, so it doesn’t contribute to turnovers. Brees did lose a fumble this year. The stats I have are correctly adjusted to remove either QBs stats from the given turnover margin.
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let me get this straight
rodgers fumbles 4 times, but the packers recover them… so they dont count, meanwhile…
drew brees gets a ball snapped over his head… and is technically credited with the fumble so it counts towards your MVP discussion.
obviously drew should spend some time learning how to recover his own fumbles this offseason instead of focusing on holding onto the ball in the first place.
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 5, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
This is a professional football league
Maybe Brees made the wrong snap count. Whatever the case is, this is an extremely rare scenario, and only counts for one turnover. You can discredit that one turnover in the discussion, if you’d like.
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let me get this straight
Rodgers throws three perfect passes and they bounce off the WRs hands, and they end up being intercepted by the defender, and these count as half of Rodgers’ interceptions this year? Yes, because that’s how stats work.
I wasn’t using that to say why Brees doesn’t deserve the MVP, I was using it to show how the turnover margin which was being used to show how much better GBs defense is has much less impact when you factor the turnovers individually created by Brees & Rodgers.
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let me get this straight
do you think your qb is the only one who gets tipped ball int’s?
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by DrewBreesManCrush on Jan 6, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
That was my point.
Rodgers had 6 interceptions statistically this year, regardless of how they occur.
Yes, because that’s how stats work.
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You asked for it
Brees: turnover every 43.8 attempts
Rodgers: turnover every 83.7 attempts
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by Wiedmann on Jan 5, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
show your work, please.
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Thanks for making me check, it's not quite correct
Brees: 647 attempts, 14 ints, 1 fumble lost
Rodgers: 502 attempts, 6 ints, 0 fumbles lost
647/15=43.1333
502/6=83.6666
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Did you even read that article?
Or, as I suspect, did you search for the first thing you disagreed with, and fly off the handle?
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You would know the answer to your questions
If you spent any time reading this blog and in particular by this author.
But, I suspect YOU saw something you didn’t like and flew off your own handle.
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by CrazyforColston on Jan 6, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
I have an idea.
Maybe they should announce co-MVPs, like they did in 1997. I know, Rodgers did a lot, but also, Brees carried his team. I won’t go into the arguments for and against either quarterback, but I think there is a chance we could see co-MVPs this year.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 AM CST reply actions
A lot of us said that
They discussed it tonight on Inside the NFL. Suppossedly there is no splitting of votes as in 1/2 of your vote goes to one, 1/2 to the other (this is what Collinsworths said he asked to do) so for that to happen it would have to be exactly 25 of the 50 votes go to Rodgers and 25 to Brees. Co-MVP has only been done twice before so something seems statistically off to me but okay.
by SarahT on Jan 5, 2012 12:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think that's allowed
but not everyone is splitting their vote. Even if it wasn’t, it could still be a tie.
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He said there is no vote splitting allowed and he has a vote.
You have to vote for one person. To have co- mvp it has to be 25 Brees, 25 Rodgers. I am hoping they put the video up tomorrow so I can post it.
by SarahT on Jan 5, 2012 2:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, Collinsworthless has said things that aren't true before, it would hardly be the first time.
I thought I remembered vote totals in the past with .5 as part of it. Also, co-MVPs could happen with Brady getting 2 votes; Rodgers & Brees getting 24 each, because you know someone will vote for Brady unjustly.
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Dear NFL sportswriters: if the NFL MVP award were given out based just on passer rating alone, Drew Brees should have won it in 2009 when his passer rating was a league best 109.6, nearly 10 points higher than MVP winner Peyton Manning who had a 99.8 rating that year. But you didn’t, once again, because you suck.
That’s what I was gonna say.
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
I'm not saying this retroactively because Rodgers broke the passer rating record this season.
Drew Brees should have won it in 2009
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I can agree with that… And he set the Completion Percentage record that season too. :-)
It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!
Want scientific proof? Read this paper by Dr. Jeremy Arkes.
Let's look at passer rating
I know that rodgers has a better passer rating. And I wish I could find the site in which you could change the passer rating based on the number of passes per game. If you change it to 25, then I think that rodgers passer rating falls below Drew’s.
Passer rating is based on ratios & averages
number of attempts doesn’t affect it, if you maintain a consistent ypa/comp%/etc.
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