Thinking about the Saints upcoming Free Agents
This weekend I had a debate with a couple of Saints and non-Saints fans about our upcoming Free Agency situation and who should be a priority. For the record the Saints top free agents are...Drew Brees, Robert Meachem, Carl Nicks, Marques Colston, Tracy Porter, Shaun Rogers and Aubrayo Franklin. As expected, we were all in agreement that Brees is clearly the top priority, but after that we were all in debate. I felt that the our signings should come in the following order of priority...
1. Brees
2. Nicks
3. Colston
4. Franklin
5. Meachem
6. Porter
You'll notice that I didn't list Rogers as I feel that he just ain't worth the money, but wanted to bring it to my CSC brethren and see what you guys think should be the priority of free agents signed.
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1 Brees
2. Nicks
3.Colston
4.Meach
5.Porter
notice I didnt list Franklin or Rogers
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM CST reply actions
Franklin
I think Franklin played decent and if he doesn’t try to demand big money (and he won’t cause no one was interested in signing him last season). Another 1 year deal in the $1 – $1.5 Neighborhood!.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
by Saint for life on Jan 9, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I would guess we can retain the top four on that list. If that’s true, then Robinson takes over for Porter, and Patrick for Robinson…but what to do about Meachem? Does this mean Arrington finally gets his big break…or do we draft to replace him? Or try to, for instance, entice Reggie Wayne to sign with us?
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
Meachem or Colston is outta here!
Meachem will not get 1st round money from us again so I think he’s likely wearing a new uniform. I don’t know that Arrington has the speed to do what Meachem does.
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
by Saint for life on Jan 9, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Arrington is more similar to Colston
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
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I have seen nothing from Franklin that suggests we should go out of our way to sign him
If he wants to stick around for minimal $$, then that’s ok with me. Otherwise, see you later. Ditto for Rogers.
Brees and Nicks are obvious musts. Colston is a notch below those 2 but a very high priority. Meachem and Porter would be nice to keep, but I we can’t break the bank to keep them.
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Dear Benson Family
Please re-sign Brees. Pay Da Man!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
In the Re-Sign Brees Madness, I think we lose Nicks!
This would be horrible, but I don’t see the Saints having 2 of the highest paid guards in the game. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Nicks will hit the bricks!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
Unless we Franchise Him!
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." Bum Phillips
by Saint for life on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
My thoughts
- Must: Drew and Nicks
- At least Tag Colston
- Meachem only for the right price.
- Porter…Thanks for the SB pick but not impressing me anymore…Trade bait maybe.
- Franklin the minimum or see ya
- Rodgers who?
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 9, 2012 12:05 PM CST reply actions
Colston is good, but not top 5 in the league good. If Brees or Nicks doesn’t get the franchise tag, it won’t be used.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
I saying
We must sign Drew and Nicks leaving The Tag to be used on Colston.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 9, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
And yes Colston is that good.
He is just a victim of playing on our team. If they don’t Tag him I see a bidding war going on for him and they will wish him the best.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 9, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
And yes Colston is that good.
I respectfully disagree.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
Agree to disagree
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 9, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
no way we tag Colston.
you’re going to pay him top 5 WR money when you have to pay Brees and Nicks???? Not happening
"But tonight the Superbowl belongs to the City of New Orleans" - Roger Goodell 2/7/2010
Agreed it wouldn't surprise me to see colston in
Chi.,Car,Minn,NY Jets,SF,SD,
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
He made a couple recent catches in particular that I saw that were really amazing catches.
"Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people. " -Carl Sagan
by crescendo2020 on Jan 9, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
If Colston gets tagged
He will not come back after another year. Drew really needs to speak with him and Meachem to get them to stay. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want to catch the balls from one of the best QB’s In history. I see the tag going to nicks.
Sedrick Ellis has been underperforming so I don’t see them not resigning Franklin and Rodgers. Tracy hasn’t done anything for the team latley I could see them using him as trade bait. Im expecting a heavy D draft yet again.
If GDub stays..
Drew looks like a demon possessed,
or a SAINT that's BLESSED.
by MattDat on Jan 9, 2012 12:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I dont think Drew will demand high dollar and then
Ask a couple of guys to stick around for less money for the good of the team
If we win another Superbowl this year I think alot of players take the biggest offer
They will already have 2 rings time to play for pay
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
It is going to be funny when Colston has to try and catch footballs from Colt McCoy
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM CST reply actions
By McCoy do you mean Robert Griffin III....cause that's more likely.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Or some other crappy QB like Kevin Kolb
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 10, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Actually I thought they showed him
Practicing FG
He said something about drawing out his career
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 9, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
If Colston leaves
It will be the biggest mistake of his career. There’s a reason he was a 7th round pick. I love the guy, but if he can’t see that he needs to stay here to continue maximizing his talent, then he’s an idiot.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Hardly an idiot. The man has to look out for his future after football. Nobody knows what the Saints will offer him…but considering the needed signing of Brees and Nicks with what is most likely very little wiggle room money wise after….he’ll be getting less than the open market. You can’t blame someone from signing a potential lucrative contract…especially if the offer on the table from the home team was less than it should have been.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
And when he bombs with whatever team he signs with
He’ll then lose MORE money on his next contract. He needs to realize staying in New Orleans is the best thing for him, for now and the future. If he goes anywhere else, he will be counted on moreso than he is here, and I don’t think he will be able to handle that. In our offense, he gets open looks and such because of our depth. If he signs with, say, Cleveland, he will get doubled all day long.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
What next contract? Colston will be 29 in the off season and probably sign a 5 year deal. Nobody signs a 34 year old wide out to a big contract. This is his last money deal. He’s been underpaid for what he does for the past 6 seasons. If he goes somewhere else for guaranteed money…nobody in their right mind could blame him.
Colston has never been elected to a pro bowl. He’s never been considered a top 5 wide out. He’s been a border lined top 10, however, for several years. Nobody knows who he would sign with….he could just as easily sign with the Patriots or Pittsburgh or GB than Cleveland at this point, so there’s nothing saying that staying in N.O. would allow him the best opportunity numbers wise. Everybody understood when Fujita left because the money was just ridiculous and you had to understand why he did it for him family. If the same thing happens to Colston the only people that would be bitter are those with no understanding at all.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I'll be sad.
but not bitter, and in search of a new screen name,
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 10, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
Cleveland gag...
Lots of teams could make him their go to guy. Chicago…gasp, Rams…pukes a little, Bucs….lots of cap space, Atlanta….has violent seizure. All with good,well maybe not Atlanta so much, QBs who he could really help and hurt us. An idiot, I think not. He lets his game speak for itself, and the Saints will either have to let their check book speak for them or tag him.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 9, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to work up a reason to hate him if he leaves.
Like I said, I love the guy. It would really suck to see him on another team, and I think our offense would suffer without him. I’d much rather see him sign here and stay.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
Good luck with that
I’m trying to work up a reason to hate him if he leaves.
Couldn’t hate him, no more than I hate Reggie, and I was one of the ones who said cut that chump, or I can eat an Oreo faster that you, Fujita. No matter where they go, and what they do they will always have a place in your heart for what they did here.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Great....now I want an oreo.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
FYI, my list:
1. Brees
2. Nicks
3. Colston (tag)
4. Porter
5. Meachem
6. Franklin/Rogers(Minimum)
I think we lose more with Porter than Meachem, although that is based on draft and Colston’s decision. If we can’t keep Colston, Meachem unfortunately becomes a must.
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
I think Colston wil be gone
Many other teams will be willing to pay more for him than we will.
Brees will sign a long term deal….although it might not be quick.
Nicks will get franchised.
Meachem is gone. Teams will overpay him for is speed.
Porter is gone. Teams will overpay for his past accomplishments.
Rodgers and Franklin I have an indifference about. We might keep one but only if the price is right. Don’t think we will be keeping both.
Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven-John Milton
so we lose colston and meachem?
the saints are going to try to hang on to one or more surely
"I am a Saints player. Look, sir" Patrick Robinson
by CrazyforColston on Jan 10, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions
No, he may be right
If Dan Snyder throws an insane contract at one of them and some other receiver-needy team—maybe Cleveland or Denver—takes out the other, we could see our receiver corps decimated. Yes, Colston has prospered under Brees…but he’s now established as second fiddle to a tight end, and even someone as self-effacing as he is has his pride. I can see either or both of these guys willing to take a hike in order to establish a “legacy.”
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
I would like to see Meachem return, but don't forget, in addition to Arrington to fill in for Meachem if he doesn't
return, we have Joe Morgan coming back from IR hopefully. We also have Charles Johnson for DL.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
Another thought would be to keep Meachem and release Henderson, Keep Joe Morgan (being optimistic here) and I think chances are high.
with Brees and the offense we have, we could draft or trade for someone to be a #4 receiver. First 3 draft picks need to be defense (LBs)- maybe a safety.
"We've established the run; we've established the pass. Now all we have to establish is another championship!"
"Some say the glass is half empty;
Some say the glass is half full.
I say- 'are you going to finish that beer'?"
Obviously we’ll keep Brees. But I think that will take the franchise tag, and both Condon and Loomis know it. So they’ll talk to him to see if they can work something out, but they’ll REALLY go after Nicks and his agent hard to try to get him signed. Then once one of them signs (probably Nicks) or when the deadline comes, they’ll franchise Drew.
As for the rest, I really wouldn’t be surprised if we lose all of them but maybe the DTs. I think Franklin and/or Rogers might stick around just because they’re enjoying winning and they’ve made some decent money before.
The only “wild card” in things is the history of knee injuries with Colston might scare some teams off of giving him big money, and especially of big guaranteed money. And without that he may decide to stay if Mikey can shoe-horn in a decent offer into the cap. That, unfortunately, will probably take a significant miracle to pull off.
The only way I could realistically see us keeping Brees, Nicks, and Colston is if at least three of those contracts are heavily bonus-laden, with significant increases in money (or at least somehow cap hit) in 2014 and beyond. Probably they’d have to structure things where lots of salary and/or bonuses have a large subset guaranteed for skill and another large subset for injury so they could avoid “fully guaranteeing” anything (thus avoiding having to put cash into escrow right away) while still giving significant guarantees out. And by guaranteeing part for injury and part for skill they do just that, because one of those guarantees pretty much has to kick in.
Of course, Mickey is far more of an expert on the cap than I, so maybe he can come up with another way. But I still don’t see us keeping all four unless he can find a way to push the major cap hits to 2014 and beyond somehow.
After further review...
I can’t see us keeping Brees. He’s in a steep decline.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
Yes
His 2009 season will forever be his best
Mark Ingram-OROY
Cam Jordan-DROY
New Orleans Saints-2012 Super Bowl Champs
TOP IS GAWD!
rogers and Franklin suck!
Brees is the must have, without him nothing else matters. Nicks is second. Then i’d say colston. Truth is we should be able to keep 2 of the 3 easily. after that it really does not matter. Our defense sucks…we simply run a scheme and when that scheme breaks down we have no player(s) with enough talent to transcend the scheme and make plays. That’s why we have not been able to cover a TE in 3 years, that’s why our FS leads the team in sacks, that why we have to watch QB’s out run everyone on our defense to the edge and score TD’s. its just a scheme that works nicely when we have a lead or we are able to get pressure. when it gets beat, that’s it we are merely hoping guys hustle to the ball and make plays before a 10 yard pass becomes a 40 yard gain. frankly i could careless who returns on that side of the ball.

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