Saints are unstoppable
by Travis Dauro on Jan 9, 2012 6:53 PM CST
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PrintHonestly, I don't see anybody that is going to get in the way of the Saints Super Bowl run this year. Yes, San Fran has a good defense, but are you telling me they will shut down Brees, Ivory, Thomas, Sproles, Graham, and the other weapons? Not gonna happen. The Saints didn't get over 600 yards total offense and 45 points in a playoff game against a much more dangerous team for nothing. I am also hearing the Saints defense isn't consistent enough. So you are saying a guy that averages barely 190 yards per game is going to slice and dice the Saints? You are saying the Saints defense that held CJ to 23 yards, AP to 60 yards, and Turner to 39 yards is going to get ran over by Frank Gore? Also not gonna happen. Oh, and how bout that weather in San Fran, atrocious! Don't worry, it's only projected to be sunny and 60 degrees. There is no reason to bet against the Saints right now. They are the hottest team in the postseason. All those team led workouts that no other team did? Yea, this is when that comes in handy. Mark my words, this game will be over in the 3rd quarter. Saints will already have 40 plus points on the board and San Fran will not even have 20.
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I actually gave this a chance
Until you referred to the Lions as a “much more dangerous team than the Lions”. That’s cute. And if you think it’ll be 40-20 after three quarters, you’re insane. Nice to know you don’t know much about the team you’re playing Saturday.
That is beyond hilarious.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
by Blank x2 on Jan 9, 2012 9:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
"Referred to the Lions as much more dangerous than the Niners."
Oopsy.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
That's a typo..... He's probably being even too generous to the home team....
Yes sir we want the ball...
You do know that this is a Saints blog, right
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jan 10, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
You should give him one of your buddies adderall to help him focus better.
"I'm not allowed to comment on lousy officiating." -Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints G.M.
by theprogrammerman on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Im insane? How am i insane to think that this will be a close game when your offense’s most points in a game is only 34 and 33 points AND has allowed the most sacks in a season? And do you really think that 49ers defense will be able to keep the Saints under 30 for an entire game? If the Saints score more than 30 points that game will be over. YOU obviously don’t know the team you are playing. Maybe they can contain the Saints until halftime, but you saw how that turned out i.e Detroit.
by Travis Dauro on Jan 10, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
The 9ers defense is nothing like the Lions…this will be a one score game.
I don’t see any 49er fans saying anything except they think our defense has a chance to slow your offense enough to keep the game close, yet we are the ones that are overconfident and cocky?
You guys can continue going around expecting to drop 45 on your way to GB though…
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Well we're not expecting it
but they have been doing it.
"Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people. " -Carl Sagan
by crescendo2020 on Jan 10, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not on the road against a D like this one.
It could happen, but the odds are slim. Our defense coupled with a careful, ball control offense keeps your O on your sidelines. if we make mistakes and give up a few big plays, it will get ugly quick for us.
Should be a hell of a game, no matter the outcome.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
But if you're too careful
3 and out. Saints Ball.
"I'm in the Courtroom screaming Who Dat on the double, serving gumbo with a shovel, dog i'm on another level" -Jay Electonica
We can handle punting.
Lee will pin the Saints super close to their goal line. Field position has been a huge advantage all season for us.
Best starting field position on offense, best opponent starting position on defense. First in both.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Last time an “elite defense” pinned us by our goal line we just found their weak corner, picked on him for about five big plays, and went 95 yards in about 2 minutes to win the game.
Oh and we’ve basically spent all season long converting 3rd-and-10s like nobody’s business… BOTH on the road AND at home. In fact, some of us are MORE comfortable with 3rd-and-10 than 3rd-and-1, though that’s a changed a bit now that our running game is so much better than last year.
Field position only matters if you can get to Drew before he can dig us out of it. According to raw sack statistics, you should find this very easy. But don’t hold your breath. You faced a LOT of putrid OL teams this year, and even if ours isn’t THAT great it’s still better than most of those you’ve faced, and our QB is absolutely MUCH better than ANY you’ve faced yet.
The Niners allow about 35% on 3rd down.
The Saints success on 3rd down will be one of the bigger deciding factors.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I also look
for a lot of turnovers. 49ers have been at creating them by stripping the ball, and putting enough pressure on QB’s to force a few errant throws.
THAT is what will keep us in the game, and keep it closer than the Saints want it to be. If this were in the Superdome, I’d be worried about my team’s chances.
As it’s in SF, I just don’t see the Saints marching in, and then imposing their will. I look for a good game, and a close game.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
The Saints like aiming for turnovers too, and Gore has been a fumbling machine for quite a bit of this year. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch, because there’s at least some chance you actually might NOT win the turnover battle.
what?
and Gore has been a fumbling machine for quite a bit of this year
2 fumbles makes you a fumbling machine?
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
High five
yours popped up seconds before I hit “post”
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
high five!
if he would have been talking about Frank’s entire career, then that would have been one thing, but he has really done a much better job holding onto the ball this year.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Sorry, I was working off second-hand (and incorrect) info… should have double-checked.
Of course, that doesn’t guarantee he won’t fumble… or that nobody else will either…
I like Pierre Thomas as a contact runner
But the Niners front seven has been great about having one defender stand a guy up or delay him, and another one strip the ball.
No offense to Thomas, but I look for Patrick Willis and Justin Smith to try to exploit his second efforts for turnovers.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense
But keep in mind, we set an NFL record for fewest fumbles this year with 6. If you are going to get a turnover, and good lord I hope you don’t, there is a higher probability that it will be a pick. Out of those 6 fumbles, only one was by one of our active RB’s. Pierre Thomas coughed one up in week 6.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
That's impressive
Only one fumble out of the three active RB’s? Not too shabby.
On the other hand, you guys only ran the ball, what, maybe 30 times this season? :) A bit of a pass-heavy offense, it seems.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
We rushed 431 times
We are clearly a run first team.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Run first
If, you mean run on first down, and then pass it.
Brees had 468 COMPLETIONS this year. 657 attempts. That’s insane.
Hopefully, he passes to our guys a couple times on Saturday. :)
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
And by this comment
Hopefully, he passes to our guys a couple times on Saturday
If my translation attempt is correct, you are hoping that "Brees gives “your guys” some media or player passes so that they can watch the Saints play either the Pack or the G-Men in the NFCCG"?
Well he is known to be charitable, I am sure he will see what he can do.
ZING!
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
by Grumps on Jan 12, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I will concede that you won that round
but yeah, hoping his charity includes tossing up a couple of ill-advised balls for Goldson while being dragged down by a Smith…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 12, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
That round must not have been on grass huh?
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I am Canadian
We are impervious to all elemental or surface impacts.
But that damn Celine Dion gets us everytime.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
She's the reason I stay away from Vegas.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Not counting them at all
Merely pointing out one of the reasons why Niner fans have an evidenced-based belief that they can keep up with the New Orleans offense, which IS certainly prolific.
I also would not call 2 fumbles in one year a fumbling machine. So, speaking of counting…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
There is a chance we won't win the turnover battle.
But with us having the least turnovers in the NFL, and also the most takeaways in the NFL, and are playing at home, it’s pretty safe to say its a minuscule chance.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Just dropped by
to say well played and good luck out on the west coast
life long vikes fan but have always kinda liked dem saints
skol
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-- Bud Grant
thanks, good luck next year!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Seriously?
A Vikings fan who doesn’t hate our guts? That’s like finding an American beer that isn’t overhopped.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
Or a French girl who’s not easy
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by Alex Swift on Jan 10, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hey
I never said I was easy…but if there’s beer…well
A successful coach needs a patient wife, loyal dog, and great quarterback - and not necessarily in that order.
-- Bud Grant
by PurpleValhalla on Jan 10, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Role reversal 20+ yrs later
2011 Saints look more like the 49 ers juggernaut from the 80’s/early 90’s, Great QB, top WR’s, solid TE,(Jimmy Graham is a little more than solid,imo) dangerous offense.
2011 49ers look like the Bobby Hebert Saints, Great D, ball control, good K.
Two contrasting styles, but hauntingly similar historically.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
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by metryman on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
yeah, I have thought that too
Saints also have that power run (sneaky) that the 49ers used more often than you remembered with Craig and Rathman, ect. That certainly were not finesse although people thought of them as a west coast passing team first and foremost.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
the juggernaut 49ers had a really good D
better than the Saints currently have. We just hear more about the O because 1. It was a great offense 2. Jerry Rice and Joe Montana…
And when we win, we want to dominate. We want to take guys out. We want to hurt guys. We want to win. We just want to dominate, hit them in the mouth. - Rathman
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^this
Those 49ers defenses were awesome. And Ronnie Lott taught us how to smell greatness in 2009. Thanks Ronnie! (And, while I have your attention: Jerry Rice was not the greatest football player of all time. Not even close. Thank you.)
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
Jim Brown.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
At least you admit some slight homerism. But it’s not like Montana isn’t a top 10 on anyone’s board. When you’re arguing the best of the best…it’s hard to pick someone wrong. And shame on you for saying we won’t find a Saint in that discussion. We’re well aware.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I am a Saints fan who would agree that Montana was...
the best QB of his era. He clearly could see the “field” better than most.
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading" Henny Youngman
by CaddoCoonass on Jan 11, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Not even close? LMFAO
Please be joking. Because that’s a joke.
You can make an argument for other players, but to say Rice isn’t close is foolish. And that’s not homerism. That’s common sense.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I believe he was voted GOAT by his peers was he not?
Jim Brown’s records have all been broken… Rice has some that may stand forever…
This.
I’m not even arguing this one.
Anybody who doesn’t consider Rice the best football player or close to it is eithe a massive hater or an idiot. Every position on the field you can make an argument for who the best is except wide receiver. No argument against Jerry.
I read the other day that Rice had something like 700 catches and close to 9000 yards, with three pro bowls and two super bowl appearances AFTER his 32nd birthday. I’ll have to find it, but it’s either that or close to it. Stupid numbers.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
This is why Jerry Rice is not the greatest player ever
He was a wide receiver. Big deal. To be the greatest player ever, you would have to be either:
1. A quarterback, since that’s by far the most important position; or
2. A two-way player.
The greatest quarterback ever automatically trumps the greatest wide receiver ever. You can make an excellent argument that that man is Joe Montana; but you could also make a good argument that it’s Johnny Unitas or Otto Graham. But only one quarterback has ever led the league in passing, punting, and interceptions in the same season, and that was Sammie Baugh, who gets my vote as the greatest all-around football player of all time.
Jerry played a long time, so he accumulated a lot of stats, and he was a dominant player for much of his career. But anyone who doesn’t think his “goat” status is a result of stat-padding is a homer, pure and simple.
"Sinn Féin, motherf*****s!"
No offense.....
But that is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. And it has NOTHING to do with being a homer. I’m sure you can find plenty of non-niner people who think Rice is one of, if not THE, greatest players ever.
The fact you basically say it can only be a QB or a player from fifty years ago (people don’t play iron man ball now days) is insanely ludicrous. The fact you write him off because he’s a WR is laughable. I can’t believe I’m arguing about this, but your comment is just insane.
Lmao. Only QBs and iron man players from the fifties are deserving? Amazing. Please God tell me other Saints fans don’t share this opinion.
If Rice isn’t at the top of the greatest players of all time list, even if not the main top, that’s the same as me coming up with some stupid logic to say Drew Brees isn’t a top ten QB right now.
Yes, it’s on THAT level of not making sense.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just for fun....
Go google “Greatest NFL player of all time”. You’ll find lists and picks by analysts, bloggers, fans, NFL people, and past and present players.
Rice is pretty much on top of all of them. And he is in he top 3 or 4 of EVERY one. And some of those lists, like mentioned, are from people who actually played the game and were involved with teams as coaches or front office positions.
Maybe if he punted for us, you’d have a different opinion. Maybe Walsh should have taught him how to kick, too.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand you...
Why is it beyond your ability to let another person have their own opinion. So he doesn’t think Rice is the GOAT. Power to him. I don’t understand the need to consistently try to push your opinion on others.
Feel free to have your opinion, but let others have their own without feeling the need to call someone down for theirs.
It is possible that not everyone thinks that everything associated with the niners is first rate and beyond reproach.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion
So you can let me have mine that saying that is absurd.
Like I said, if you read it, that has nothing to do with being a Niners homer. That’s common sense. If some ou from Ninersnation said Drew Brees wasn’t a top QB, they can have that opinion. I would still tell them they are VERY wrong, Even if it makes zero sense.
I’m sure many of your fans may agree with me, but since you apparently want to make this about choosing sides with fandom, they may not see it. I have no issue with somebody saying he isn’t the greatest, but to say he isn’t in the conversation? Please….
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
They may not say it, not see it.
God I hate posting from an iPad and iPhone at work. Typos galore.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Ipad
I know!! It’s so weird to type on SB Nation on an Ipad, it jumps around on long threads, hard to tell spacing, etc. Drives me crazy but I would rather use my Ipad than pc.
I love this iPad.
But I think a retarded monkey wrote the spellcheck feature. I have to laugh at some of the stuff it makes up.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
This is what I am getting at
I would still tell them they are VERY wrong
Why do you feel this need to tell them they are wrong? Thats pretty much what my whole comment was about.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
If somebody said Brees wasn't a top QB...
Why on earth wouldn’t I say they were wrong.
Opinions go so far. When they make some logical sense. If one of us said Brees was no good and wasn’t close to being one of the best, you’d go ballistic. Because you know that’s wrong.
Nothing wrong with pointing out a major flaw in logic. Nothing at all.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I try not to do that.
You have an opinion. Good for you. I don’t need to understand your logic or agree with you. I won’t call someone stupid for having it. Case in point, on the “Ask a Saints Fan – Playoff Edition” post on NN, when Hungry Hunter said Bush > Sproles, I didnt agree with him, but I didnt call him stupid for having his opinion.
I like Hamburgers!
Uh oh...better put an Asterisk on it.
Agree.
But you could actually argue that.
Arguing Rice isnt one of the greatest of all time, or Bree’s isn’t a super elite QB are far from the same kind of argument. Opinions are everyone’s right, but I have no problem telling somebody they went over the line.
And for what it’s worth, Sproles is better than Bush IMO.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Agree, the D was Solid, Ronnie Lott... great leader
they just don’t get mentioned as much as the 85 Bears, Doomsday D, Purple People Eaters, Fearsome Foursome, 76 Raiders, 2000 Ravens.
You think you know, and you don't know, and you never, ever, will.-Jim Mora Sr.
I understand ....nothing.-Michael Scott
The Future is Unwritten.-Joe Strummer
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."-Mahatma Gandhi
Lott was a great leader and player
I always shake my head when people call the dynasty Niners a finesse team, cause of guys like him and Rathman (who, incidentally, is currently position coach for the 49ers ground game).
I would not be at ALL surprised if Harbaugh has lined up some 49er greats to come in for either a pre-game of haltime pep talk- If I were choosing, Ronnie Lott would be the first among them.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
They didn't necessarily have 1 great year that sticks out
but from 1981 until 1997 they only ranked outside the 8 in points allowed 2 times.
That is some incredible long term dominance.
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
I like your confidence, hope you are right. GEAUX SAINTS!
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Agreed Saints by 20
As much as I keep looking at the 49ers team I know they have a good run D but thats it
Their passing game is laughable they rank behind us in the rushing game and their DB’s are weak
I cant see this game playing out any other way
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 5:15 AM CST reply actions
*whistles*
http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2011/1/8/1923026/saints-seahawks-wild-card-open-thread#56367453
looks the other way
Draft: 1. Kendall Wright 2. Trumaine Johnson
FA: Smith, Morgan, Brooks, Rogers, Snyder
by whistlingmountain on Jan 10, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Thats funny you bring up I said we would win last year
I said it was the Seahawks we will win yes
Now if you would like to look up last weeks thread when I said we would beat the lions badly feel free I said we would win by 20 my mistake we won by 17
Last year I didnt give any reasons we would win I just thought we would win
This year I give specific reasons and stick by it
See me after the game I will admit if i’m wrong will you
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Nicely played
Even the classy look-away at the moment of revelation…
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
It's funny how you guys keep bringing that up
Like it has anything to do with this year at all.
They were completely banged up. It came out afterward that Drew had a knee injury. He also admitted that the 2010 season actually felt like an extension of the 2009 season and they were exhausted.
My gut feeling was that they would lose and so I watched it at home. I didn’t dare miss sharing a playoff game in 2009. It still stung but we moved on.
Weak DBs?
Interesting. I’d think a couple pro bowlers back there would get a little more respect.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Apparently, respect will just have to be taken
I look for our D to come out absolutely ferocious on Saturday, and put a physical beating on the Saints that will show up in the 4th quarter, when their team will not want anymore, and the Niners are just starting to peak…
That’s as much trash talk as I will allow myself on someone else’s board, but I do note that their team doesn’t seem to know as much about ours as vice-versa.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I know.
See above posts concerning Jerry Rice and how I’m wrong for saying its ludicrous saying he isn’t even in the conversation and he “padded his stats”.
If a niner fan, or my fan, said this, I’d still think its dumb. But I’m a niner fan, so I guess I’m a homer for saying that.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I gotta agree with you Jerry Rice is the best reciever to ever play
And just like Walter Peyton a Mississippi product
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
People always ignore Don Hutson because of his era. Though I admit Jerry beats him out. Hutson is #2.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I have no idea what is going to happen this week. We have a great offense that I think can handle their great defense. Our defense isn’t great, but neither is their offense, so maybe our D will be enough to win that half of the game as well. But I’m sure 49er fans feel that their great D will overcome our great offense, and their middle of the road offense will handle our middle of the road defense. To be honest, nothing would surprise me this Saturday. Winning by 20, losing by 20, or anything in between. I just don’t know.
"I want to hand this trophy to the MVP of the Super Bowl -- and the MVP of the entire league.''
-- Saints coach Sean Payton, handing the Vince Lombardi Trophy to Drew Brees after Super Bowl 44.
by VAsaintsfan on Jan 10, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I am sure I am the only one that will rec. this.
Common sense and rational thinking doesn’t get much play on the internet. I feel exactly the same way.
Don’t get me wrong. I love to talk smack. As I read the comments going back forth I get fired up and want to join in.
As you said I am a 49ers fan and so I think they can win, I think they will win, and I hope of course that they do win.
Stats, trends, and probabilities don’t matter in one game. They can give us ideas what to expect but anything can happen in one game.
A few turnovers, a couple missed tackles, or a player being totally off of their game can change everything.
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
by 16to80fan on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ooooh, a voice of reason in the wilderness.
I agree it will likely be a close game, somewhere in the 20’s. There’s a small possibility the Saints offense could explode, but otherwise likely close. That tends to happen in play-off time.
Wonder why either one of else will play the game at all...
It's obvious neither one of us stands a chance.
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 AM CST reply actions
wut?
The Saints didn’t get over 600 yards total offense and 45 points in a playoff game against a much more dangerous team for nothing
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
People thinking the Lions are more dangerous than the Niners
Is like saying Joe Flacco is a bigger threat than Drew Brees in the passing game. LoL
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
They have a high power offense
And incase you haven’t figured it out here yet we think a great offense beats a good defense
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
You should.
But this is great vs great, not great vs good. :)
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Your team has a great running D
But if you look at the stats it’s an average passing D
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
And if you look closely at the stats
You see that teams pass a LOT more against us because trying to run on the 49ers is extremely ineffective.
You will also notice that we have a pretty ridiculous turnover ratio- part of that comes from all those passing “attempts”.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
But your still 16th in pass defense
Which is average
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
the above point
was clearly lost on you.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn’t equal points. Not with this defense.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Your defense has allowed 20 passing TD's that 8th in the league
We have scored 46 passing TD’s thats first in the league
I guess we will see saturday what happens
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
14.3 PPG…2nd in the league.
Was first until the Rams scored on us with starters resting at the end of the game.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
34.2 ppg 2nd in the league
How are these random stats
These are the stats that count
You pretend like D stats are the only ones that count
Your team has yet to face a Offense like ours yet
We beat a healthy texans team #2 in defense in the league
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
We can talk in circles over and over…you don’t score 34.2 PPG on grass, it is a significant enough difference to show there is some sort of trend.
We’ve said it over and over, in the dome I’d give us a very small chance…
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Grass is not some magic achillies heal
The weather will be in the 60’s and sunny calm winds
And this is the playoffs expect the full Saints affect
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
your counting your average points allowed
Just like I am if I was cherry picking stats I would have said 42 ppg because thats our home average
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
And to bring it even better
Your team has allowed 3 rushung TD’s 1st in the league
And we have rushed for 16 rushing TD’s 6th in the league
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
That's mostly because towards end of games,
Teams are passing due to being behind and not being able to run. The numbers aren’t flashy, but our secondary and linebackers make plenty of big plays in the passing game.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Ok if teams are passing to try and catch up
Shouldn’t your sack total be up we have played 3 teams that have more sacks then ya’ll
I’m not trying to be a smart a** about this but if your team could just pin it’s ears back and come after the QB and your DE’s are as good as everyone says how come you tied for 9th in sacks
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
42 sacks in 16 games
Isnt terrible. And you have to understand, we are the anti-Saints in that we very rarely blitz. Those numbers are from rushing three or four consistently.
I think it would be completely different if we blitzed all the time. 42 sacks while mainly rushing 3-4 players is pretty good in my book.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
What side does Aldon Smith play
I only ask because we had problems with our right tackle earlier in the year our left tackle is much better I was wondering who he would go up against
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 11, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
In what little I’ve seen…he plays all over the place. Seen him on the left as well as the right and even seen him blitzing from a tackle spot one time.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
The problem with the Niners offense
is that it’s pretty much built to beat us. You can say what you want about Alex Smith (how many guys are on that team named Smith anyway, for God’s sake), but the guy doesn’t take risks, and doesn’t turn the ball over. He makes high percentage passes, and we often forget how to tackle. That’s kind of scary. I’d almost prefer a “gunslinger” type that we might be able to rattle or force into a mistake than face the infamous “game manager.” In the first half against Detroit, they were just picking us apart bit by bit in the middle of the field. Expect more of the same. I hope the D is ready to get back to basics, because the Niners “basic” offense is actually going to be a big issue, I think.
WTB moar Smiths
Alex and the WRs have been making plays lately. Alex has been more consistent in the vertical game and the WRs are taking some short passes to the house. Frankly, the biggest problem is the coaches taking the foot off the pedal.
As great as our D is, the last thing I want to see is Brees with the ball at the end of a one score game. Our D has come through almost every time this year, but it gives me a freeking heart attack to watch given our recent history.
i seem to remember a #81 player.. little tough to cover..
& i would venture that stafford didn’t throw for 5,000+ yards by closing his eyes and hoping for the best when he gets rid of the ball..
detroit = very potent passing team..
forfeit-niners = impostors..
by the 9th plague on Jan 10, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks for showing your lack of football knowledge.
We beat that potent passing team, too. At their place. But thanks for noticing we can beat steam led by a 5000 yard passer with…..our defense.
If we control the clock and play good defense, it’ll be hard for Breesus Christ to sling TDs from the sideline.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
oh no you didn't... (inside joke)
You can control the clock all you want… all that controlling the clock does is reduce the number of scoring opportunities for BOTH teams.
If you’re using all your scoring opportunities to score field goals and we’re using most of ours to score touchdowns, we’ll win by well over the 3.5 points that Vegas is spotting us.
You must have missed the "good defense" part.
If our D plays like they’re capable, you won’t score many TDs.
You’re not as scary on grass on the road. Our D is capable of stoping the Saints numerous times.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I look for a lot of turnovers
by our D. That’s how we will keep up with your offense.
Do I guarantee us a win? Absolutely not, nobody knows. But our offense, while not explosive, doesn’t make a ton of mistakes.
The Saints will be forced to pass a LOT due to how hard running against the Niners is, and that will expose them to our pass rush, tipped balls, and a lot of potential INTs.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Just remember it goes both ways before you start throwing stones
Not many people are discounting the 49ers, but the 49er fans seem to have acquired a swagger that makes them think that they may as well crown their team the champs right now.
whatever.. you HAVE moved in here.. good thing that after saturday..
you’ll be gone for good out the backdoor.. never to be heard of again..
by the 9th plague on Jan 10, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm
Since when was I the author of this post? I guess I need to ensure my comments properly reflect every Saints fan before I post anything going forward.
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I don't think it properly refelected "all" niners fans either...
Not that it really matters…
You don’t win your division and think your team has no chance no matter what team you bleed for…
We are who we thought we are
so if we want to crown our a**’s then crown them because we are who we thought we are.
Or something like that.
Joe, Jerry, Steve, and....Who is next?
are the 9ers fans
getting a little surly around here? i havent been to their page but im guessing most of them are pro 49ers and anti saints. some based on stats, some on nothing but fanaticism. in thinking if they arent liking what we are saying they should just find the door.
--- I don't miss the alcohol as much as I miss having the built in reason on why I'm nekkid in public.
--- I used to want to be an inspiration to my son. now i just hope to be a dire warning.
--- just two men and a dog making candles
--- I know i'll win my battles though i fear we'll lose the war
--- if you find yourself in a fair fight you failed in planning.
some are stats and gut feelings… many more are homeristic fanaticism… and a few (not all… or most… a few) are delusional… could be sarcasm, but they don’t use the font.
i wallow in my saints delusions
--- I don't miss the alcohol as much as I miss having the built in reason on why I'm nekkid in public.
--- I used to want to be an inspiration to my son. now i just hope to be a dire warning.
--- just two men and a dog making candles
--- I know i'll win my battles though i fear we'll lose the war
--- if you find yourself in a fair fight you failed in planning.
I recall a very similar boast from a lions fan earlier this season...
Almost word for word…
We managed to find a way to beat that team and stop 2 4th quarter drives to seal it…
And that team had a wicked home field advantage at the time…
You guys may be better than the Lions(you are), but you are not that different… This game may be tough, but no disrespect if we get a chance to throw this one back in your face…
Same here.
A lot of fans on here write off our D as overrated and our offense as horrible.
You don’t get to 13-3 being horrible and overrated. It’s just surprising that even when we show facts to back up the Saints are not near as good on the road as they are at home, they ignore it and still claim they will steamroll us. And a few on here keep repeating that.
It’s like Saints fans are allowed to be super confident, but when we show our confidence, it’s being cocky. Weird.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I just don’t understand why people think us 9er fans are being delusional or cocky, far from it. We’ve all said numerous times the Saints offense can be down right terrifying. We just have plenty of reason to believe our defense can at least slow them down and the numbers back that up…
I’ve said it time and time again, it is going to be a one score game somewhere in the 20s-low 30s, most likely.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
It’s the fact not a single person here that I can see has once written off your defense. Yet almost every single one has written off our offense. Apparently it’s impossible to think that the Saints can score on the 49ers because their defense is so good….but very few are capable of flipping the coin and saying wait…the NO offense is just as good…so why is bending one way the only thing possible?
I agree with you that the game will be in the low 20s to low 30s range. But the “we’re right and you’re wrong” one sided attitude shown by a lot of SF fans that have popped up here is frankly ridiculous. Even worse is when they show up spouting facts…but if you try to show other facts to display a different conclusion…they put their fingers in their ears and refuse to admit anything that doesn’t show them in the most positive and glowing of lights.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
by jeff.l.b on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But the stats jeff
The stats. For the love of everything that is good in life won’t you please consider the stats!!!!
The outside effect. We won’t be in a dome. It doesn’t matter that the Saints are rolling out 40-burgers in points in there last several games as they were all inside!!!
It’s a good thing the Dome is a vacuum with no air effect at all. The potential for wind and this weird natural organic green stuff under their feet will reduce their ability by half at least. If not more than that.
Plus every D we faced were horrible and couldn’t tackle and the refs were biased to us.
Really our team is nothing more than untalented scam artists who need the help of the league and the ref’s to win games. Why can’t you understand this???
Plus, apparently the 49ers Defense is made up of supernatural deities that make offensive players cringe and crap nirvana.
Alex Smith is actually a left handed QB and is toying with the league. On Saturday he will play with his natural hand and lead his team to scoring 87 points.
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by Grumps on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey Grumps--remember when domes were disliked because of player injuries?
Thank dog they use cinder tracks now so it’s all a track meet.
If we came close to saying any of that
It may have made a little sense. But it doesnt.
Congrats?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
jesus christ
It’s the fact not a single person here that I can see has once written off your defense. Yet almost every single one has written off our offense.
the exact same thing could be said for just about every single one of you on this board. Sonot only are you guys just as cocky and arrogant as us but you’re a bunch of hypocrites as well.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
It’s the fact not a single person here that I can see has once written off your defense offense. Yet almost every single one has written off our offense defense. Apparently it’s impossible to think that the Saints can score will have a hard time scoring on the 49ers because their defense offense is so good….but very few are capable of flipping the coin and saying wait…the NO offense SF Defense is just as good…so why is bending one way the only thing possible?
I agree with you that the game will be in the low 20s to low 30s range. But the "we’re right and you’re wrong" one sided attitude shown by a lot of SF fans a lot of Saints fans that have popped up here is frankly ridiculous. Even worse is when they show up spouting facts…but if you try to show other facts to display a different conclusion…they put their fingers in their ears and refuse to admit anything that doesn’t show them in the most positive and glowing of lights.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
hypocrite? Pot calling kettle black much?
I’ve been stating the entire time that your offense will be scoring in the 20s against us. Since when is that in any way shape or form being arrogant or cocky or dismissing your offense in any way? Oh that’s right…it’s not.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
no see, your comment was pot calling the kettle black
It’s the fact not a single person here that I can see has once written off your defense. Yet almost every single one has written off our offense
You guys are sitting here calling us delusional, cocky and arrogant because we think our defense can stop your offense, yet when you guys sit here and tell us how the Saints are going to drop 40 on our defense and how the Saints are unstoppable, that is somehow not cocky, arrogant or delusional?
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Point to when I have every said we were going to drop 40 on you. You won't find it.
Try to find a post where I have ever said you won’t score on us either. Conversely count the number of posts by you 49ers fans on our own blogs proclaiming how we won’t score more than 17 against the D that only give up 10 a game at home. Here’s a hint…you’ll run out of fingers counting them on 60% of the entries.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Not you...
But if you read around, it’s been done numerous times.
9th plague seems to think we’re a joke team, and you’ll drop 40 before the 4th quarter starts. But we are the ones called cocky and delusional. Both sides have people who are crazy, you all just kep acting like its the majority of us.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
9th plague thinks everyone is a joke team.
He’s a super homer.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
IF you want stats
One of the thing that gives me, and a lot of Niner fans, cause for optimism is the point differential between what the Saints have scored at home (averaging in the low 40’s), and on the road (high 20’s).
That is why a lot of us think that our excellent defense has a fair shot against your (admittedly incredibly explosive) offense.
Are you willing to concede that this is fair? Or are we just not having a reasonable discussion?
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
by lottwasgangsta on Jan 11, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is more than fair, and has been what i've been trying to argue the entire time.
Yet pretty much nobody wants to go there. Holding the Saints to be 20-29 points away, especially by your defense is very probable. It’s the people claiming our O has 0% chance of doing anything against your D because we’re on the road that is laughable.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Really? Go have a chat with your friend Drew. He’s proclaimed it over half a dozen times on 3 different posts.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
exactly
It’s the people claiming our O has 0% chance of doing anything against your D because we’re on the road that is laughable.
those people are ridiculous, no argument there, but on the other side, there are plenty of people on here (not saying you are one of them) that are discounting the Niners in the same way, yet we are the ones being labeled cocky and arrogant.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
Ive said that EXACT thing
And I got called cocky and a homer repeatedly.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
The homer parts I see...and I'm not saying you're one of them because I can't remember, and I'm busy at work and somewhat annoyed...
Is when we bring up our running game. We have an excellent running game when Payton has a brain fart and decides to actually call a run play. And when we do…all I see is 9er fans laughing saying you can’t run on us…we gave up 1 100 yard rusher all year.
That’s nice…that means you have a great D…but it HAS happened before. To totally disregard the possibility of the Saints being able to run is mind boggling…especially considering the formations we run out of. Do I think we’ll be largely successful? No. But I don’t discount the possibility it can happen. I give us about a 20% chance of exiting this game with over 100 yards rushing at 4.0 a clip. Not a great chance at all…but still a chance considering our talent.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
You have to admit at least
Even with a very good run game, this is THE hardest defense in the league to run on. By a good margin.
It doesn’t make us cocky when, in fact, nobody has been able to run on us. That’s not being a homer. If the saints had those numbers, I’d say it would be a safe bet we wouldn’t be able to run on you. Facts are facts.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I do agree
This will be the best run D we have been up against.
Question to you: Have the niners faced a RB group with as many diverse skill sets as the Saints (and who)? Or have they been more situations against one true power back (i.e. Turner, Forte, etc).
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Usually I think it's been a single back.
I don’t know for sure, but a few teams ran a couple backs against us, but it was usually each teams feature back getting a vast majority of carries.
It does worry me s little that your committee will keep your backs fresher than most, but I still have faith in our run D. Brees is what (naturally) scares us if he gets hot.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I agree you're by far the best defense against the run.
I’ll I’m saying…is to completely discount the idea that the Saints could establish a run game is flat out silly. Is it likely….no….is it possible…yes. You’re the number 1 rush D….but we were the number 6 rushing team. It’s not like we’re terribly establishing the run when we choose to. Like I said…I give us a 20% shot at it.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I'll give you that.
It’s not so much niner dominance I see, but. I think we can all agree you’ll have more success in the air. I’m sure your coaches knowing this, and they will attack more through the air.
What I mean is I don’t see the saints trying to pound us on the ground. They k is our run d is fantastic, and your passing game is fantastic. Take your shot with the best odds. Which for you, is definitely thru thre air.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Question
Are you concerned that in your last three games that you are allowing more rushing yards than your season average?
Week 15: Pittsburgh 84 yards
Week 16: Seahawks 124 yards
Week 17: Rams 111 yards
Trending in the wrong direction or can these be discounted and why?
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Pretty simple, Willis was out.
Larry Grant did a fantastic job filling in, but he ain’t the same.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
He didn’t look like Willis. He’s said this himself multiple times.
It was clear he was getting back to game speed.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
He said he’s been feeling much better running around at practice.
A lot of us were worried about him playing vs the Rams. Hamstrings are too easy to reinjure, but clearly that wasn’t the issue, just not quite up to game speed.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
I know about the hammy
Thats why Moore is looking like he will be out. THankfully he has been sitting for quite a bit now. Hope he can play.
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Hold the presses
Despite missing practice, Lance Moore (hamstring) expressed optimism Wednesday that he will play in the Divisional round.
“It feels good,” he said. “We’ll see. We’ve got a couple more days to go.” Moore won’t play against the 49ers if he can’t practice, but he did participate in the team’s Tuesday walkthrough. Perhaps he’ll practice on Thursday.
C’mon Lance.
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Interesting
I’ve had hamstrings and quads both, they were rarely healed when I thought they were. Would feel fine and I’d make a certain cut or change speed and tweak it…
Of course I’m not a professional athlete or anything, but they are very irritating injuries.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
Posted this on NN
I went to Rotoworld and looked at the outdoor games only for Saints RB efficiency on grass:
Total as a team: 502 yards on 118 carries for a 4.25
By Player:
Sproles: 182 yards on 26 carries for a 7.00
Ingram: 149 yards on 48 carries for a 3.08
Thomas: 118 yards on 31 carries for a 3.81
Ivory: 53 yards on 13 carries for a 4.08
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Wow
Weve said since we got here your offense is insane. I just think some Saints fans think they are playing at home, or are the same team on the road as in their dome.
Sorry we are looking at facts to make points. Our mistake, I guess.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
by Blank x2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, you're looking at excuses to hype your team.
Nothing wrong with that, by the way.
But, reality shows that this Saints team is not going to wither and die simply because they are going up to treasured Candlestick to face the allegedly baddest defense known to mankind. They are facing a good defense and a slightly better than average offense that is geared to win close games…but the Niners are facing an all-world offense and a defense that has been able to shut down other teams enough for the offense to slam the door. Ask Chris Johnson, AP, and MJD.
Unless Michael Crabtree becomes Megatron and Barren Davis becomes Tony Gonzalez, all you have is that D, Alex Smith, Frank Gore, and home field advantage. Whether that will be enough to do the job, we’ll see on Saturday. I will tip my hat to you guys if you win, but I remain confident that playoff experience and superior personnel will carry the day.
I will say what I said about the Lions. the 49ers are a better team than they were at the middle of the season. Problem is…so are the Saints.
Thanks for reassuring me you haven't even been reading our posts.
We simply keep pointing out the numbers that your team isn’t as scary on the road and/or outdoors.
You’ve ignored us saying that for three days. Probably not gonna change now. In the future, at least read our posts before pitting words in our mouths. Thanks so much.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Facts doesnt mean "hyping my team"
That’s why they are, you know, FACTS.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
As a professional number cruncher.
It is possible to put together numbers in many different ways that work for or against an argument. In the end numbers are just a mathematical product of a specific outcome that you are measuring. They don’t take into consideration numerous other factors or situational anomalies. If they did, whichever of your kickers threw the TD would be in line for several records and a mega contract as a QB.
Personally I am getting extremely tired of the same statistical arguments being thrown up (from both sides).
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Stats are not Facts.
First, none of these stats have enough sample size to be believable. Minimum sample size should be 30. In a pinch, no less than 15. If your stock fund only has 4 stocks in it, GET OUT QUICK!.
Second, all this data-mining is only helpful if the game were a random process. But it’s not. It’s all conditional probabilities. You play the run, we pass. You pull your LB’s back, we run. and Vice Versa. Spy vs Spy. Both our coaches will try to arrange some key favorable match-ups to produce enough big plays to win the game.
Do you have a chance? Yes. Do we? Yes.
Remember when everyone preferred playing on natural turf?
Remember when fans loved watching players slide around on muddy fields?
Bring on the fun!
No one has written off your offense at all, quite the contrary.
Every one of us has said it will be the defenses biggest test of the season, no doubt about it. We just have confidence that our defense can at least slow you down; for a number of reasons that we’ve already stated. I’m not sure how you can look at the PPG outdoors on grass and not at least say that there appears to be a trend, whether or not you think it will matter on Saturday is different, but it will have some impact for sure.
Putting up high 20s-30s like I expect is quite good against our defense. The only thing I’ve been writing off is people coming in saying the Saints will drop 40 and win by multiple scores.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
No.
You said that…and the guy with the comical AV from tangled. Two out of about 10 isn’t exactly a high percentage.
The thing that’s annoying me…is yes, the 40 burger homer people here. But it is a Saints blog, and you’re going to find the homers here. But I’ve seen an equal number of SF homers, aka, trolls when not found on their own blog, proclaiming the constant 10 point a game SF defense against the Saints.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
That's fine
I don’t get the sense many 49er fans think we are going to hold you to anything near as low as 10 points.
Clearly you do, so obviously there is something there, I don’t know how strong it is though.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
I have the game at either 24 - 20...or 27-24...depending on which way I eventually flop on who will win the game.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I also said 27-24.
Maybe 30-27. For whoever wins.
All this talk is fun, and I honestly think this will be the best game this weekend. it’ll be a dogfight.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Should be highly entertaining.
For the record…my 24-20 is the Saints victory…the 27-24 the SF one.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Yup, 27-24 is my score
If the score gets in the 30s we lose, stays mid 20s we have a good shot.
Attack this day with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. ~ Jack Harbaugh
They keep saying that
It’s like they have it in their heads that no one respects them and so they have assumed it means us too. They were freaking out when we hadn’t started covering the upcoming game by Monday morning. We aren’t going to come out and say your defense is totally going to rape our offense so if that’s what you are looking for it’s not going to happen on a Saints blog.
I think more than anything they haven’t felt this feeling in awhile and are getting overly excited.
We are excited.
It has been a while. But that doesn’t change the fact that a lot of your fans keep changing what we are really saying. We have praised your offense since we started chatting over here. Repeatedly. When we praise our defense, that’s not knocking your offense. And when we point out REPEATEDLY that the numbers show for a fact you aren’t as scary in the road, that makes us overly cocky for some reason.
Logic is not that hard a concept. You all keep saying we keep talking about our defense completely shutting you down, and from what I see, that’s not even close to being accurate.
But it’s whatever. Ou all are gonna keep reading what you want.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Lol
And when we praise our offense we are not knocking your defense. It’s a two way street. You might say our numbers aren’t as good on the road, we say you haven’t seen an offense like ours.
Like I said, if you are looking for more than what you are getting right now, you are not going to get it. None of your stats are going to change our feelings about what our team can do and vice versa.
You guys are doing the same thing, the cockiness is coming in where you think you are being more subjective than us when from our view you are not
I understand that.
But some have knocked our defense. There was a lot of talk from some saying our defense only looks good becaus of our “terrible, awful, sucky division”.
And nobody said we were trying to change your opinion. But acknowledging the facts we simply point out wouldn’t be downing your team.
I know our offense is limited. I’m not gonna try to ignore facts and say its not. Kinda what facts are for.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Those are valid numbers to point to…some of the problem though is the skewed numbers because of the clear lack of them. Outside on Grass…we played GB, Tenn, Carolina, TB, Jacksonville. Not a large number of games.
In those games we had over 450 yards of offense I believe in every single game….450! That’s scary no matter how you look at. We’re averagin 354 yards passing per game on grass. On grass we average 110 yards rushing per game. Against GB and Carolina we put up 30+ points. In Jacksonville and Tennesee…we notably stalled in the redzone and settled for field goals inside the 15 yard line. The Tampa Game you can toss up as a strange anomaly as we lost our head coach and main play caller in the first drive of the game.
Where our numbers outside on grass away from home are indeed not the same as at the dome….EVERY team plays better at home generally speaking. Our numbers on away games, are in no way shape or form…not scary. They’re still scary….just not inescapably frightening like they are at home.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
I agree completely.
I’ve said numerous times your offense isn’t as scary on the road. Doesn’t mean it’s still not amazing.
If this game was in NO, many of us would be terrified. Luckily, it isn’t, which helps us out a little.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I don't get the non-scared angle.
Not from you…but from a whole lot of people on both sides. Anyone who doesn’t have this rated as a 10 on the worry scale…is flat out being stupid. It’s win or go home…if you’re not worried and on the edge of your seat…you obviously don’t understand the gravity of the situation.
Giants beat Patriots…Seattle beat the Saints, on and on and on. Anything happens in the playoffs. You don’t get a second chance to make things right.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Oh, scared in that sense makes....well, sense.
We all just mean that your offense is scarier in the Superdome.
Niners fans are just more comfortable seeing them in white jerseys in the sunlight. Black jerseys equal more speed, yards, and points.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
Just don't ask us about the Saints in black pants....those that particular fear has been going away as of late.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
those = though
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
"Not that different"???
Other than the fact that the Saints can run the football (160+ ypg, 6+ yards per carry) while the Lions simply couldn’t; that the Saints have far greater depth (PT, Ivory, and Sporles can get 100 yds rushing by themselves if they played a full game as a featured back the way Frank Gore has), and in fact, the Saints rushing team actually outgained SF’s rushing game throughout the year..and that’s WITH their record setting passing game), and the fact that the O-line has three Pro-Bowl linemen, while Detroit has..well, none)??
Other than those facts….and the fact that Detroit was struggling during that portion of the middle season, while the Saints are off 8 straight victories??
Yeah…not that different.
Let’s get to the actual game and see what really happens.
i'm worried about this game
but more than that, im sick of these 9er fans.
--- I don't miss the alcohol as much as I miss having the built in reason on why I'm nekkid in public.
--- I used to want to be an inspiration to my son. now i just hope to be a dire warning.
--- just two men and a dog making candles
--- I know i'll win my battles though i fear we'll lose the war
--- if you find yourself in a fair fight you failed in planning.
Awww.....
We sowwy.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
LIES!!!!
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
by hooahsaint2.0 on Jan 14, 2012 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
Saints Will Win
We still owe you for the 80s . . . and the 90s. Well pretty much everything before 2006.
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
God I'm sick of Stats...
Can I get a hamburger?!?!
Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!
by cajuncommando58 on Jan 13, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply actions
No hamburger; cheeseburger.
No Fries; Chips.
No Coke; Pepsi.
I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.
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