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My thoughts on the offseason

With the season coming to an end this Sunday following the Superbowl, it's time to focus on the offseason. There's been some talk about who we should re-sign, who we should pursue in FA, and what we should do in the draft. I'm going to take a look at all of this and give my opinion (for what it's worth) on each subject.


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WHO SHOULD STAY, WHO SHOULD GO

Let's start with the obvious, who should we re-sign. I think we can safely say that we need to re-sign Drew Brees. I think it would be a safe assumption to say that Brees' contract will be on par with those of Brady and Manning (about 4-5 years with an $18mil/year average). Next up is Carl Nicks. He is a key part of our OL and probably our best O-lineman. He has mentioned that he would like a little more than teammate Jahri Evans' contract (7yrs/$56.7mil). Third on the list is Marques Colston. Last year, Colston's base salary was $3mil. In comparison, Roddy White made $4mil and Andre Johnson made $6mil. I think Colston would fall somewhere in the middle or around $5mil (let's say 3yrs/$15mil).

That's a lot of money to invest in just 3 players (all on offense). Not to mention Robert Meachem, Tracy Porter, Aubrayo Franklin and Shaun Rogers are all free agents as well. In my opinion, if Colston leaves, we need to re-sign Meachem for depth. I think Porter will get a good deal of money thrown his way and may leave. I wouldn't mind giving Franklin another cheap deal, but I think Rogers will not be given another shot. So, how can we possibly re-sign all these guys?

Personally, I think Will Smith will become a cap casualty. He hasn't lived up to his large contract. Cutting him would free up about $6mil. Scott Shanle and David Thomas may also become cap casualties. Courtney Roby may also be shown the door. As good of a special teams player as Roby is, he takes up a valuable roster spot, and let's not forget the fumble on the kick return (which he doesn't do regularly anymore) vs the 49ers. I think Joe Morgan will take his role as well as possibly contribute as a WR, esp. if Meachem or Colston don't re-sign.

THE DRAFT

I've noticed some people here say that we need to trade up in the draft to get a more elite defensive player. I've also seen people argue that it wasn't worth trading up last year for Ingram. These people are entitled to their opinion, and so am I. I liked trading up last year for Ingram. Ingram contributed 474 yards rushing and 5 TDs as a rookie. A full offseason will only help him. I think we can all agree that our window to win it all is open as long as Brees is our QB. What about 4-5 years from now? Well, maybe Brees will find the fountain of youth and play forever, but most likely he will be nearing the end of his prime, if not his career. At the same time, Ingram (and perhaps Ivory) will be in his prime as a running back. A solid running game could provide a smoother transition for a younger QB.

Having said all that, I would prefer that we trade down this year. I don't see this draft as real deep or real strong. In other words, I don't see much difference in drafting in the late second or late fourth rounds. I think there is a lot of talent to be found, but the scouting dept. will have their work cut out for them and I have faith that they can find good players in the mid to late rounds.

What I'm more excited about is seeing last year's draft class develop. I have already mentioned Ingram, but I really think we can potentially solve some defensive problems with our guys that we drafted last season. Martez Wilson started to come on strong towards the end of the year. Cam Jordan also appeared to play better late in the year and he is solid, if unspectacular. The key piece is Greg Romeus. I am excited by his potential to be an every down DE that can really get after the QB. I have high hopes for this guy.

FREE AGENCY

A lot of who we sign in free agency depends on who we re-sign. I wouldn't expect a whole lot here. I would LOVE to have Mario Williams, but it's not likely to happen. However, if by some chance we would lose BOTH Colston and Nicks, we might have enough room to sign a big name FA. Personally, I would prefer we re-sign our guys and maybe grab a couple underrated, special teams contributors or role players.

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I have high hopes for Romeus, too…but that’s all they are: hopes. He has shown us exactly zero. We have no reasons at all to believe he’s The Guy. So I’m not sure Smith is going anywhere, unless Spagnuolo thinks he sees something in one of those two that brings him to a decision before training camp.

And losing both Colston and Nicks is unacceptable, Mickey. Unless we win another Super Bowl, in which case you’re a genius again.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 2, 2012 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

the problem with our incumbent players is the lack or personal evaluation by our new coach..

he will have to rely on the assistant coaches, payton & film study.. no 1st hand practice to see it in person..
all this sorting out must be made within the month of february, cause the francise tags must be set in march..
there is very litle time to asses the personnel, & decide who could be trimmed away, who to re-sign, etc.
all that without even getting to the draft..
spag has to have a clear idea of what he wants to keep by the end of this month..

by the 9th plague on Feb 2, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Don’t forget that Spagnuolo has coached against these same guys. He knows their strengths and weaknesses. I’m pretty sure he already has at least a rough idea of what he can accomplish, and with whom.

It’s people like Romeus who are the real mysteries, because there’s no film on him. So I doubt Spagnuolo is going to commit to any version of the defensive line that has him depending on Romeus. That’s going to fall into the “wait until camp” category.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 2, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trade down

You will see a drop off in talent when you are talking about a two round difference regardless if a draft is deep or not. We are already waist deep in a draft hole…..I wouldn’t dig any deeper.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 2, 2012 8:40 AM CST reply actions  

If this class is not deep

Then trading down is only helpful if we want to bring in a bunch of guys to throw at the wall and “see who sticks”.

But that philosophy is almost only truly useful to a rebuilding team.

No, if this draft truly is “mostly crap” then we need to trade UP and get a single impact player (while NOT trading away any more future picks, I’m tired of that even if you stipulate the Ingram trade wasn’t a mistake).

by FriarBob on Feb 2, 2012 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent point

Is it actually true that this draft is “mostly crap”? That’s the question.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 2, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it

But I decided to go within his stipulation that it was.

by FriarBob on Feb 2, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

For the record

I never said the draft was mostly crap. I just don’t think their is a large disparity between a late second rounder and a mid fourth. I have faith in Pay-Loo and the scouting department to find those hidden talents in the later rounds. This is why I would prefer to trade back. Pick up a few mid-round picks and draft our future starting d-linemen.

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on Feb 2, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think this years draft is "mostly crap"...

We got to watch two of the best Defenses in college football play each other twice. (Wish LSU’s Offense had showed up.) If anything Offenses, were not as explosive this year because of a lot of good Defense. There is even some decent picks likely to fall as far as the 3rd, or 4th round this year. Lots of teams last year made big pushes on D, and therefore won’t be as active as normal, because of it. Also, a lot of teams are looking for ways to copy the great Offenses like ours, so we just may be surprised with what is available in the 2nd,3rd, and 4th rounds. Don’t think we need to trade up at all. Would be satisfied if we just made good use of the picks we had and addressed need, a little more this year instead of BPA, so much, as in past years. There is a such thing as BPA, at position of need. IMHO.

Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!

by cajuncommando58 on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I think you have some good points. But as I told ME, I was just going within his original stipulation that it was.

by FriarBob on Feb 2, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

i've been saying we won't have any money to do nothing..

so just draft the best 3 players possible by trading in, the rest of the picks..
resign EVERYTHING on the offensive side.. cause the jet ain’t broke.. why fix it..?
& patch the defense with what we can..
i would cut the high pice guys that do not fit in spags scheme.. (i.e. harper) and the guys that are not that good (shanle)
the guys that are in a bubble (vilma/smith) may require more time to decide.. therefore we wll have to work with their high prices..
then.. you line up & go win SB47..
just like that..

by the 9th plague on Feb 2, 2012 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

If it makes anyone feel better Drew said that he will be a Saint for life and that he will have a new contract in about 4 or 5 weeks on the Dan Patrick show today

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Here's ur Rec....

/throws Rec

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 2, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

/drops rec

I’ll keep repeating this joke until it’s no longer appropriate. I’m looking at you, Malcolm.

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I know you are a Hornets fan

What are your thoughts on them so far this CP3-less season? Have you been impressed with Gustavo Ayon like I have been?

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 2, 2012 5:15 PM CST reply actions  

Who?

What?

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 2, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

They do in fact exist even though they they are having a Saints of old type of season. It can’t get much worse…..attendance down, star player gone, owned by the NBA. It’s almost like they are getting hazed so they can get their we’re from NOLA stripes. Show some love for the team next door ;)

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 2, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It’s almost like they are getting hazed so they can get their we’re from NOLA stripes.

If they keep it up, they won’t be from NOLA much longer.

Wanna say something? Sign up! It's free!

by Dave Cariello on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm keeping my fingers crossed

David Stern has made it clear he wants to sell to a buyer who will keep them in NOLA. I keep seeing Tom Benson’s name pop up as a potential buyer but he refuses to acknowledge it publicly. I really hope he does…..it would be nice to keep the team in-house with a familiar face writing the checks.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 3, 2012 1:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trust Tom Benson to not move any team

Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.

by Fat Punk Kicker on Feb 3, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Fortunatley, San Antonio already has a team.

This isn't about rules, it's about manners. Now there's no rule that says that I cant come over here and fart on your entree. But I don't do it. Why? Because it's not good manners.

by Doc Boudin on Feb 3, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Forunatley?!

Geez. Spellcheck fail.

This isn't about rules, it's about manners. Now there's no rule that says that I cant come over here and fart on your entree. But I don't do it. Why? Because it's not good manners.

by Doc Boudin on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to left click and select spell check in the subject line.

Spell check is only automatic in the body.

Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!

by cajuncommando58 on Feb 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I always wondered--

thanks!

This isn't about rules, it's about manners. Now there's no rule that says that I cant come over here and fart on your entree. But I don't do it. Why? Because it's not good manners.

by Doc Boudin on Feb 3, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I am a fan

They play hard every night. They haven’t played as well the last few games as they did earlier in the season. I was at the Magic game last week and the Hive was rockin. Then I went to the Hawks game, and it pretty much sucked, but I feel like they’re moving in the right direction and making all the right moves

Peyton, I can eat Oreos faster than you!!!!

by mknkachow on Feb 3, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously...what's with CSC the past two weeks claiming there's new posts on a thread when there isn't one....

-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.

by jeff.l.b on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions  

Wasn’t sure if it was just me or not……so thanks for clearing that up. It’s been driving me crazy and wasting a lot of my time…..well more time than usual ;)

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Happens all the time.

Sometimes worse than others. I often try to read a new commnt and nothing new it there. It’s an SB Nation thing.

Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!

by cajuncommando58 on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You’re damaging my fragile little mind….

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

So I'm not really replying to you...

Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!

by cajuncommando58 on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just waiting for the Delocated ads to go away.

Whoever thought that was a good idea on a site I look at over morning coffee deserves a stern talking to.

by Jimbo03 on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya.

I voiced my disgust on a Fleur-de-Links a couple of days ago. Someone showed me a way to get rid of them. Makes my moring coffee (and everything else) much nicer.

"It's better to burn out than fade away."

by SaintsFan-KS on Feb 4, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, i nearly puked myself.
What makes these morons think that that is appropriate for a football fans blog?
It’s more likely to make me switch pages.

"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.

by Matt Mosley on Feb 4, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Andre Johnson in black and gold.

What a happy thought.

I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.

by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 4, 2012 2:14 AM CST reply actions  

How is that supposed to happen?

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 4, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Never said anything about it happening.

Simply said it was a happy thought. A man can dream can’t he?

I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.

by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 7, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

In that case

Mario Williams and Jared Allen please!

Drew Brees- the REAL MVP.

by Alex Swift on Feb 7, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Jared Allen?

I haven’t quite forgiven that greasy redneck yet.

--Oh, sure, your name is John, and you're just a hard-working, law-abiding citizen running a s---hole bar where you got... no customers.
--Is bad location.

by Doc Boudin on Feb 7, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

22 sacks this year

I’d forgive him if he could get that kind of production with us

Drew Brees- the REAL MVP.

by Alex Swift on Feb 8, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Mario would be nice.

I'd rather not wait until I'm dead to figure out how to live.

by hooahsaint2.0 on Feb 8, 2012 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think ingram’s second year could be his real breakout. As you say he had a pretty good rookie year all things considered (thelate injury being the main one).
I also liked the look of Junior Galette and maybe we don’t need that many new signings.
As you mention, maybe Romeus, Wilson, Jordan and (i’m adding) Galette all have good years on defence, plus i’m sure Spagnuola and his defensive staff are going to make a big difference to this D. I’m looking for something more solid, dependable and with pass rush development from the line as opposed to Gregg Williams all or nothing tactics.
As usual, us fans tend to worry about how they will cope with the changes, and it’s not going to be easy, but i’m sure Payton and co. will have a cunning plan or three, as usual.

"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.

by Matt Mosley on Feb 4, 2012 4:56 AM CST reply actions  

I also agree that Joe Morgan can step into the recieving corps, but obvioulsy i would much rather lose Meacham than Colston.
I realise Jimmy Graham takes on a lot of the load better than anyone but i think we need Colston as the main WR. With Moore, Henderson (or Meachem), Arrington and Morgan as back up.

"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.

by Matt Mosley on Feb 4, 2012 4:59 AM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I have seen some early odds for next season and New Orleans are 2nd favorites at 6-1 behind only Green Bay (5-1).

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/LVH-releases-first-odds-on-2013-Super-Bowl.html

I know things can change with free agengy and the draft, but it’s good to know the Saints are so highly regarded going into the 2012-13 season.

"Leon Spinks is so ugly that when a tear rolls down his face, it only gets halfway, then it rolls back up" - Muhammad Ali.

by Matt Mosley on Feb 4, 2012 5:02 AM CST reply actions  

Sports betting odds are bull

…but yeah: after all this time, the respect the Saints get now, year in year out, is pretty heady. For those of us who have been around from the beginning, it’s enough to make you dizzy just thinking about it. This is the Saints they’re talking about!?

What! shall we curse the planets of mishap
That plotted thus our glory's overthrow?

by MtnExile on Feb 4, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Even those who’ve only been around since the late 80s can still find it extremely cool.

by FriarBob on Feb 4, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

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