12 men on the field strategy?

by forrestgump52 on Feb 5, 2012 10:44 PM CST

I'm thinking if the Saints should have done what the Giants did (not sure if it was an accident or on purpose) against the Pats in the last 30 seconds.

With about 18 seconds to go, the Giants had 12 players on the field. The play ended with Brady throwing an in-completion far down the right sideline. The 12th guy on the field obviously helped the Giants not give up a huge play by still having 4 linemen rush/disrupt Brady and have 8 people drop in coverage. The Pats got 5 yards but lost 9 valuable seconds (or half the time remaining).

Should the Saints have had 12 men on the field against the 49ers and given up 5 yards instead of the TD to Vernon Davis? The 49ers would have moved to the 9 yard line and probably kicked a FG with only 8 seconds or so left on the clock.

Maybe it doesn't pertain to the situation I just mentioned, but I could certainly think of a few situations where this strategy would work (maybe late in the game against the titans/falcons). If a team needs a TD to tie/win and is deep in its own territory with less then a minute remaining this strategy could work on a couple plays. It couldn't be done on every snap or the offense would take advantage of the free play . Just a thought..and first FanPost.

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Wait....what?

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 5, 2012 10:58 PM CST reply actions

sorry first fan post, i edited it to make it clearer

by forrestgump52 on Feb 5, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions

Gotcha

I understood what you were going for after the edit.

I guess I can go anywhere I want. If only I knew where to go-Layne Staley

by AcquiredPanic on Feb 6, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions

At first I thought this was moronic

But the more I think about it…damn. DAMN.

by JellyPhantom on Feb 6, 2012 1:29 AM CST reply actions

The pass to VD would have had to be incomplete or else

I believe the 9ers would have had the option of not accepting it. Correct me if I have it wrong.

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by Comp on Feb 6, 2012 6:12 AM CST reply actions

But with 12 guys on the field,

the chances of a completion might have gone down a little. Although the way were playing them on those last couple of drives, we could have had 20 guys and six trained rottweilers on the field, and they still would have beaten us…

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by Doc Boudin on Feb 6, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

That play did end up as net gain for Giants

But if Brady had seen that the Giants had 12 men on the field(I don’t blame him for not seeing it), he could have spiked the ball and gotten the 5 yards at the cost of only 1 or 2 seconds, instead of 9. I guess my point is, if a team uses 12 men a strategic move, teams will catch on, and may just take the 5 yards quickly, as opposed to running a play.

by shipgoalie05 on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 AM CST reply actions

I still maintain that we should have committed PI on that play...

They would have surely kicked the FG and the game would have gone to OT. Not much to do about it now, though…

by BlackandGold4ever on Feb 6, 2012 7:34 AM CST reply actions

Wouldn't have worked.

Once they scored they would only have denied the penalty.

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by cajuncommando58 on Feb 6, 2012 9:55 AM CST reply actions

This

by SarahT on Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

I didn’t mean to focus on just this one play, but rather a strategy in a more general sense. but i probably shouldn’t have used the 49ers game. still too soon.

by forrestgump52 on Feb 6, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

Should the Saints have had 12 men on the field against the 49ers and given up 5 yards instead of the TD

Novel idea, but just more coulda, woulda, shoulda.

On to the 2012 season!

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by BRSaintsFan on Feb 6, 2012 12:58 PM CST reply actions

On to the 2012 season!

this was just the first situation that popped up, but i think every year there will be a couple games that come down to hail mary situations where this penalty works. It’s like Clay Matthews committing a PI on d. sproles the last play in regulation that forced us to run another play instead of giving up the TD.

by forrestgump52 on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions

Only on the Incompletion, does it work. Or was it just a mistake by NY.

FG wouldn’t tie, and NE still in their territory. Planned? could be, but that’s the only place to pull it off. Hakeem Nicks, got called for an off. 12 men, early in the game too. Game seemed sloppy at times, passes dropped, fumbles (that didn’t hurt NY). Brady’s IG Safety in the opening minutes? Duh.

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by metryman on Feb 6, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions

why stop at 12? Why not put 15 or so at the last second. It's only a 5 yard penalty!

actually I’m just joking because the refs probably have the discretion to give a team 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct if they got piggish about it or did it 2-3 times in a row.

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by Philinwood on Feb 7, 2012 1:55 PM CST reply actions

NOW YOUR TALKIN'!

If you’re gonna screw up and there’s no additional penalty… why not? If it increases the likelihood of an incompletion.

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by Dan Kelly on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions

your → you’re

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions

well apparently on the article on yahoo sports

“In 1989, the league fined Buddy Ryan and came up with a penalty known as the "palpably unfair act" to cover such egregious actions and others like it, such as a player coming off the sideline to make a tackle. Under the terms of a palpably unfair act, the officials have discretion over what the penalty can be, up to and including awarding a touchdown.”

funny because the i was wondering what would happen if a player from the sideline tripped a guy who was running down the sideline for a TD

by forrestgump52 on Feb 23, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions

Why bother with 12 men on the field?

Defensive holding and illegal contact are both 5 yard penalties. Grab them. Don’t let them get out of their breaks. Knock them on their asses, then fall down on top of them.

It would be effective. Of course, it would also cause the entire country to hold the Saints in contempt as the worst cheaters in the NFL.

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by MtnExile on Feb 7, 2012 8:23 PM CST reply actions

I hereby nominate MtnExile as our new defensive coach for 2-minute situations

Let’s see they were at the 20 with <minute to play, so if we hold them every play and eat up 5-10 seconds per play and only give up 5 yards…… HMMMMM, you may be on to something there!

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by Comp on Feb 8, 2012 6:06 AM CST reply actions