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The Saints have made official the arrival of defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and secondary coach Ken Flajole, who was Spagnuolo’s defensive coordinator in St. Louis. (Also joining the staff from the Rams is Andre Curtis, who’ll be the assistant secondary coach.)

4 months ago David "Satch" Kelly 13 comments 0 recs |

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What about defensive line coach?

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 7, 2012 7:44 PM CST reply actions

Still Bill Johnson

According to a report from last week, the Saints wouldn’t allow the Raiders to interview him. Here’s a link.

"As soon as Tony (Dungy) said we had no chance, I knew we had 'em right where we wanted 'em"--Coach Sean Payton right after Super Bowl XLIV with the Lombardi Trophy firmly in hand. WHO DAT!!

by David "Satch" Kelly on Feb 7, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, I saw that, too. I was confused because I thought that you had to let coaches interview for a higher position…defensive coordinator is definitely higher than D-line coach.

by BlackandGold4ever on Feb 8, 2012 7:08 AM CST up reply actions

Nope. Only if they are interviewing for a head coach position or a position with “final say” over the roster (i.e. a GM position).

by FriarBob on Feb 8, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions

well... without a new d-line coach, the pass rush is only going to (possibly) get incrementally better, IMHO.

:-(

…unless we get a monster FA and switch to a 3-4.

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 8, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions

not necessarily true that we won't see an improvement..

it’s not like bill johnson is gonna run off to another part of the city & do his own thing..
maybe we need to refresh ourselves from the top..
the new offensive coordinator meets with the rest of the staff & sets the guidelines for the scheme.. imagine a conversation like this:
- spags: “bill, we need get these boys to get up off their asses and pressure the QB..”
- bill: “yup.. how..?”
- spags: ’you do.. this..and then we try this.. and after that.. this.."
the position coach assists with the little things like: leverage.. technique.. body positioning.. shedding blocks.. and whatever else.. he is the guy closest to the position group.. but not isolated from the rest of the team staff..
in a situation like the saints, i would think that spags would be very involved in breaking down why we stay plastered to the O-tackles without any shifting.. & roll up his slevees & try to figure out the reasons..
the scheme lines up the players and gives them specific responsibilites.. and concucts the ideas of straight up pressure, stunts, delay blitzes by LBs or other.. and another hundread things..
i expect better results than in the past..

by the 9th plague on Feb 8, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

i did say… “only incrementally better”… I’m being hopeful that we will improve some.

I hope Spags is a hands on guy… but he’s going to have to have a lot of hands.

He can’t do all the coaching himself.

Do you think GW didn’t tell him we need to get more pressure?

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 8, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions

it all starts with the scheme..

not just the front 4 but everything behind them to the last guy..
GW believed in his “heat”.. the whole defensive alignment was geared up to bring extra guys to the offensive back-field..
i saw a lot of different combination fronts, but they appear to be doing simple straight up rushing.. hard bull-rushing of the tackles on the outside and the interior guys seemed to push the middle.. i don’r remember seeing a spin to the inside by neither end all season.. surprisingly i saw wilson lined up as outside LB trying it once.. i think the idea may have been that the front four entertain the O-linemen, but the real pressure comes from the extra blitzer(s)..
i’m sure he told everybody we need pressure but his system of bring the pressure was predicated on the numbers.
i have seen this countless times, by many different teams.. where a 3 men rush gets to the QB with 6 men protecting him.. the 3 guys interchange and confuse the blocking assignments and the O-linemen basically “stooge-knock” each other out of position.. the time that the QB holds the ball is really the key factor.. 3 men rush leaves 8 in coverage.. that’s a lot.. the immediate window may not be open right away.. the QB has to go to his progression, etc.
i think spags’ scheme will be a more controlled disciplined approach..

by the 9th plague on Feb 9, 2012 7:00 AM CST up reply actions

“i’m sure he told everybody we need pressure but his system of bring the pressure was predicated on the numbers.”

I totally agree, but…

if you get the the QB with 4 guys it means they are using individual skill and technique and strength to get to the qb.

that same team can send 5 guys, use the same individual techniques etc and get to the qb (theoretically faster)…

we sent extra guys but the technique/skill/strength/something was not there.

I want a guy to come in an teach those techniques to our guys and the ones we bring in.

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 9, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions

Not necessarily...

Our secondary contributed greatly to the lack of pressure. You constantly bitched about PRob playing so far off the recievers, and none of the LB’ers can cover worth caca. If a QB can get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds, no one can get pressure on the QB.

Drew Brees....MVS Most Valuable Saint! Who Dat!!!

by cajuncommando58 on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

exacto mundo..

the coverage is the difference.. i was thinking we had cover that above.. but it was on a different post..

i’ve been saying this.. the biggest difference is the coverage behind the pressure..
i’m willing to bet that on average, the time that the QB has to get rid of the ball in a front 4 only situation is ALWAYS longer that in a blitz situation.. does not matter if your front 4 are the best in the league.. freeney.. pierre-paul.. evil pierre.. anybody..

ther reason we played soft /takes a bow.. IS because we are blitzing.. there is no deep shell of safeties (in plural) to help the manned up corners.. only one safety (is lucky) and playing 25 yards from the line of scrimage.. the corners have to keep the receivers in front cause if they get beat deep is over..

this IS the chicken and the egg conundrum (like i have said before /takes another bow..)

by the 9th plague on Feb 9, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions

I’m convinced. ;-)

(not sarcasm)

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 9, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions

you’re right PRob (I mean our secondary scheme) was a contributing factor for more than just the TD’s, long plays, and first downs he (I mean they) gave up.

It’s not the size of your TOP, it’s how you use it!

by Dan Kelly on Feb 9, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions