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Game #12 Open Thread: Saints vs. Bucs

The Saints look to duplicate a performance that was easily their finest of the season. According to the Football Outsiders, their team DVOA of 53.7 percent was a full 20 percent better than their next-best performance against Jacksonville. That number is buoyed by the contribution of the defense, which stopped the Panthers to the tune of a negative 39.1 percent defensive rating. This was the third-best defensive performance of the Sean Payton era, trailing only 2006 efforts against Atlanta (week 3) and New York (week 16).

The NFC South basically boils down to today. If the Bucs win, they all but clinch, taking a commanding lead. The Saints don't need to win the division to make the playoffs.

The Saints are favored by three, the usual home-team advantage, meaning that Vegas sees these teams as even. If the Bucs win today the notion will seem silly; if the Saints win we can talk.

Jeff Garcia might play, despite him back injury. The Saints' task would be easier if he sat. It won't be easy, particularly offensively.

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  1. Brees
  1. Reggie Bush rushing TD

The playoff chances change every week. It boils down to just win, baby.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 1:25 PM CST   0 recs

One thing we have going for us...

...over all the other 5-6 teams, is that our CONFERENCE record is superior to everyone's, and that's the tiebreaker it'll come down to if we're in the wild card race instead of the division title.

But agreed. Just win out, baby.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 2:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Soothsayer

You win.

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 6:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Also

Can I say I'd just like to see Garcia play? I'm a bit bummed that even if he does he'll be hobbled, but in the end, that was the knock on him in the first place (that he would not be able to last the full season). In any event, I always like for our teams to go up against the best possible opposition. There's no glory in beating up a crippled team. If we're any good, we ought to be able to compete with anyone.

From an LSU standpoint, for instance, I was rooting like hell for Kentucky to beat Tennessee last week so that we could play Georgia in the SEC Title game. The whole world has decided that there was no way LSU would compete with Georgia, so my view is "Bring on the best!" Same damn thing as 2003, when we walked into Atlanta and destroyed them after hearing all Title Week long that we couldn't complete with UGA since we merely squeaked by them in Baton Rouge during the regular season.

Anyway, whatever. Let's kill the Bucs. Or shall I say, the SUCKS!

Ooo, burned.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 2:46 PM CST   0 recs

Kaesviharn starting at CB

Did David get demoted?

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:17 PM CST   0 recs

Nope

He missed the tackle there.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Curses!

I didn't recall his tackling being a problem, just the coverage. Yeow.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Man they just drove that down the field

Getting decent pressure from our front four, and that's what allowed us to hold them to a FG, but now we see the difference between playing against David Carr and playing against, well...anyone.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:23 PM CST   0 recs

Yep

Pressure the young QB and force mistakes.

Note that they didn't pick on David. That will change.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:25 PM CST   0 recs

Run the Ball

What happened to running the ball?

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:29 PM CST   0 recs

Wow...in good company on 3rd down %

NE, Pitt, NO, Dallas, Indy, in that order.

And on cue, we don't convert

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:31 PM CST   0 recs

While I could listen to Louie Armstrong all day,

I think the rest of the NFL has got to be getting tired of that Visa "Saints go Marchin In" commercial. Though I suppose it is preferable to John Cougar's "This is Our Country"

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:33 PM CST   0 recs

I like it

Good song.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Galloway

Owns us.

Do I have to New Orleans and incapacitate Jason David?

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:33 PM CST   0 recs

It's not even surprising is it?

Just no question that he's going to dominate every time we line up against him. One day when he retires, opposing teams ought to sign him to a one-week contract the week they play us.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:40 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Amazing how a holding penalty can kill a drive

No matter, that's good for us! Solid D on the screen/dump off there.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:39 PM CST   0 recs

Yep

Lets turn around and get a score.

Hopefully, Bush and Brees are together after their spat.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:40 PM CST   0 recs

WOW

What a play by Colston!

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:44 PM CST   0 recs

MARQUES!!!!

Can't believe brees went to the covered colston instead of Patten down the field but WOW on that catch!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:44 PM CST   0 recs

You know it's a perfect fade

When the receiver doesn't even have to jump for it. Beautiful!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:48 PM CST   0 recs

Galloway

Again. Damn.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:50 PM CST   0 recs

LOL Galloway 130 yds in the 1st qtr

I mean good GOD...he's going to give Flipper Anderson a run for his money.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 3:50 PM CST   0 recs

Fantasy Team

He's on my fantasy team so that's good. But can someone cover him?

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Great FOX

Why don't you show another commercial and miss the TD play?

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 3:55 PM CST   0 recs

Testy

There will be some personal foul penalties if they keep this up.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:05 PM CST   0 recs

Thank god for penalties killing their drives

3rd and 4 becomes 3rd and 9.

Luke McCown - latest in a long line of opposing no-names our defense turns into superstars.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 4:13 PM CST   0 recs

Right

Dude is 14 for 14. Crazy.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Killer Penalties

Holding and now false start.

You are going the wrong way.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:21 PM CST   0 recs

HOLY SH*T

Great catch by Henderson.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:23 PM CST   0 recs

DEVERY!

WE'VE GOT A GALLOWAY OF OUR OWN, BITCHES!!!!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 4:23 PM CST   0 recs

Big Hit

Bullocks with the big hit

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:27 PM CST   0 recs

McCown's numbers

Geez, he completed his first 14 passes. This is ridiculous.

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 4:30 PM CST   0 recs

Galloway

DAMN!!!!

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:33 PM CST   0 recs

Wow, sack and a penalty moving 'em back

Now, they can just throw a bomb to Galloway since they're out of FG range. I give it 90% odds of success.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 4:35 PM CST   0 recs

Yep

Especially if David is on him.

Seriously, do they not know that throwing at David results in positive plays?

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tim Ryan: "Jon is hot"

Cue Michael Scott..."THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID."

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 4:36 PM CST   0 recs

LOL

I had the same thought.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Whew

Good half. The Bucs could be up big, but the defense got some stops and forced FGs.

Good to see a fellow LA Techster doing it big.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 4:38 PM CST   0 recs

Yep, all my classmates went to Tech

I went to Cedar Creek so I know Ruston well.

Did you hear Terry at the half say Josh McCown on Oakland went to Tech? Got the wrong McCown, Terry. He should be on top of his own alma mater!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 4:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

I'm from Monroe and went to Ouachita. Drove to Ruston for Tech because ULM is garbage and I couldn't afford LSU.

Bradshaw took too many hits while he was QB for the Steelers.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Run D

I was just about to praise the Run D when Graham ran it in.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:06 PM CST   0 recs

Reggie
Maybe it's just me, but I'm totally losing any sense of excitement when Bush gets the ball. The occasional 10 yard carry (like right there) is great, but I don't think we'll be seeing any 80 yard TDs from the guy, ever.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:07 PM CST   0 recs

Not Yet

On the screens and shovel passes I get that feeling he can break it. But on running plays, not so much. Maybe he will get "it" one day.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Confidence

He hasn't ever run decisevely, but he looks especially unconfident lately. That and the line isn't particularly great at run blocking.

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 5:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

WTF

Why so many timeouts? Damn.

Let me help you, they will either run to the right or play action and toss to the wide open TE or running back short in the middle of the field.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:22 PM CST   0 recs

No timeouts left with 19 min to go

Oh well, never wanna take 'em into the locker room with ya. Those won't be useful in the 4th.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:23 PM CST   0 recs

OH HELL YES

MCKENZIE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:23 PM CST   0 recs

Look at that

Blitz hard and force the quick throw. Pick 6 by McKenzie.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:24 PM CST   0 recs

It seems so easy

How come they make it look so hard?

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 5:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

High Risk

If you get there good, if not big plays will happen.
But it's not like the defense doesn't give up big plays anyway.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

MCKENZIE

That's home field advantage right there!!!

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 5:24 PM CST   0 recs

Good Play

By Craft stripping the ball from Galloway to prevent the pass completion.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:36 PM CST   0 recs

Where is Pierre Thomas?

Would be nice to have a semi-power running game right about now.

And where are the swing passes to Reggie today?

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:42 PM CST   0 recs

He's hurt

Bruised kidney

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 6:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Boy, Lance Moore is dependable

Surprised this is the first we've heard out of him today.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:43 PM CST   0 recs

Timouts

A timeout would have been nice there. Good Job Payton.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:45 PM CST   0 recs

That sack was a direct result of no timeouts left

Ugh. You could tell Brees started to call for one with the play clock hitting zero before he realized we don't HAVE ANY LEFT.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:46 PM CST   0 recs

Right

Should have took the penalty to reset and get another play called.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

A little PI on McKenzie?

Well, I'm not complaining that that didn't get called.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:51 PM CST   0 recs

We have been outplayed today

But we're ahead and just one solid drive here is all it takes for us to secure this victory.

They've DOUBLED us up on offense. That's pretty stunning. Once again, a holding penalty kills their drive and leaves them a yard short of a first down.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 5:52 PM CST   0 recs

Yes we have been outplayed

The TOP split is crazy and the penalties have killed them. Not to mention the interception return TD.

A good TD drive here would be nice. Hopefully, we won't need a timeout.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Again

Big third down play and the play clock running down, a timeout would have been nice.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 5:59 PM CST   0 recs

No chance

That play had no chance of getting a first down even he caught it.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:00 PM CST   0 recs

Oh Lord

Now our defense has to hold.

I suppose we only deserve it that a false start killed our potential game clinching drive. Not that we could've converted a 3rd and 2 anyway.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 6:01 PM CST   0 recs

Good Punt

Dail up the defense here. Got them pinned deep.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:01 PM CST   0 recs

Safety

That better be a safety.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:02 PM CST   0 recs

Pressure

Put pressure on the young QB and good things happen.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:03 PM CST   0 recs

SAFETY! YAH DEFENSE!!

All day we crucify our defense yet they come up with the two biggest plays of the game. Hats off!!!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 6:03 PM CST   0 recs

so huge

so huge

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 6:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Can Stecker pass?

I think one of those sweeps would be stellar if Stecker just pulled up and lobbed it deep to one of the guys...they're bringing the safeties in quick on those run plays.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 6:06 PM CST   0 recs

NOOOOOOOOO

WHY????????

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:08 PM CST   0 recs

NO!

Why the end around?

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 6:08 PM CST   0 recs

Oh not a goddamn reverse...

That's not what I meant. A toss???

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 6:08 PM CST   0 recs

Just run the ball

Run out the clock. Dammit what the hell!?

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:09 PM CST   0 recs

Defense

So odd to see the defense carrying the offense today.

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 6:10 PM CST   0 recs

Suspense

This is killing me.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:14 PM CST   0 recs

Well damn

Ok, just ONE stop por favor!!!

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 6:14 PM CST   0 recs

Dammit

by Sunil on Dec 2, 2007 6:15 PM CST   0 recs

Deflating

Dammit.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:16 PM CST   0 recs

Faith

It aint over til the fat lady sings. Big return here or the hail mary.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:17 PM CST   0 recs

Well, we just didn't deserve this one anyway.

We clearly have a lot of work to do to become a better team.

by GeauxTigers on Dec 2, 2007 6:18 PM CST   0 recs

Well

The fat lady is singing.

by southernsaint on Dec 2, 2007 6:23 PM CST   0 recs

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